After Charlottesville clashes Trump says violence ‘must stop right now’

by
August 13, 2017

Donald-Trump-7President Trump called for unity Saturday in the wake of clashes between white supremacists and counter-protestors in Charlottesville, Virginia, demanding “the division must stop, and must stop right now.”

“Ideally we have to love each other,” Mr. Trump said from his golf club in New Jersey, where he’s taking a working vacation, and was signing into law a veterans health bill.

Lawmakers from all sides of the political debate condemned the white nationalists who were rallying in Virginia, and most of them also condemned the counter-protests that combined for riots that reportedly left one person dead.

The president said he offered federal assistance to Gov. Terry McAuliffe in a conversation earlier in the day.

  • Kol

    The following was written by fellow climate hawk Tom Perriello. Tom is a Charlottesville native and transitional justice expert who previously served as a congressman and peace negotiator. He recently ran for governor of Virginia as the first signatory of our No Fossil Fuel Money pledge, and we endorsed him. He is currently CEO of WinVirginia, an effort to flip the Virginia House of Delegates in 2017 and reduce the impact of money in American politics. — RL & Brad –

    Kol —

    “Heil Trump,” the white supremacists chanted as they marched past me, turning my beloved hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia, into a rallying point for fascists, white supremacists, and their preppy enablers in the so-called alt-right. One side instigated the rally, dubbed it #UniteTheRight, and spent months escalating violent rhetoric. President Donald Trump blamed “many sides.” They rallied to prevent the removal of a Confederate statue. Trump’s nationally televised response—“we must cherish our history”—was heard less as a dog whistle than as a bullhorn.

    Many of the racist ralliers intentionally invoked shocking images from our past, but if leaders, particularly on the right, do not quickly acknowledge the breadth and depth of this crisis, these new images may serve more as harbingers of our future. While Charlottesville played host, most of the pro-hate participants I interviewed came from across the mid-Atlantic and even Midwest. The man suspected of being the driver that plowed through anti-racist protesters was identified as a 20-year-old from Ohio. As for scope, while their numbers were only in the hundreds, a Republican candidate for Virginia governor this year who ran on a neo-Confederate platform and embraced these groups’ calls to protect the monuments came within 1 percent of winning the nomination this summer.

    While much can be debated about the event, a few items were very clear.

    First, this was unequivocally about race, about white tribalism. For the hundreds who rallied, many of them heavily armed, race was the defining issue. No one I talked to mentioned economic anxiety or trade policy. “You will not replace us” was the leading chant, and I was told multiple times that I was clearly a “Jew banker,” “faggot,” or “sellout to my people.” Their signs read “White Lives Matter” and said that Charlottesville’s black vice-mayor “Wes Bellamy is a Nigger.” I have met Trump voters who were not primarily motivated by race—these were not them.

    Second, these guys are enabled by Donald Trump and the politics of Steve Bannon. From the “Heil Trump” chants to the MAGA hats, the participants were clear with me that Trump had made this “our time.” After Trump tweeted that “We ALL must be united,” former KKK grand wizard David Duke responded, “I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.” At this point, Trump appears more beholden to white supremacists than to Putin. Doubt it? Watch the sequence of events on Saturday, from Trump’s relatively presidential tweet condemning the hate, to David Duke’s overt challenge to Trump not to disown the white tribalists who elected him, to Trump’s moral disaster of a press conference in which he refused to condemn or even name white supremacy or domestic terrorism and apparently ad-libbed the most cowardly act of moral relativism of the modern era.

    Third, Saturday showed us a vision of a dystopian future that is the logical extension of our current gun laws. Not just gun ownership but AR-15s. Not just concealed carry but open carry. And not just the right to open carry even long guns but to dress in full military fatigues with accessories (earpieces, vests, insignias) to blur every line between legitimate law enforcement and a fully armed white nationalist militia. I have spent time in multiple conflict zones and still would not have known at a quick glance if bullets started flying which heavily armed men in camouflage and flak jackets represented law and order and which were armed terrorists. Donald Trump, who claims to be the hero of law enforcement, has issued no criticism of those who blur the line between public and private security forces, who blur the most sacred blue line between violence and force. Is there anything more vital of a commander in chief who claims to care about those who serve in uniform than to condemn those who fake the uniform?

    Fourth, it is probably easiest to just start referring to this entire coalition as the modern KKK. Yes, they are fascists and white supremacists, “alt-right” and actual KKK. Yes, they each had a distinct uniform, from the white polo–wearing preppy brigade to the cosplay crowd to the toy-soldier dress-up troops. But they are clearly working as a coordinated unit, just as the Klan did through various periods. The working class generally wore the robes and committed the ugly crimes, while the leadership wore the robes of judges and badges of sheriffs that wielded the real power of ensuring white male supremacy. This network is trying to cross-brand, and the result is an integrated network of white supremacists that collectively constitute the modern Klan.

    Finally, there will be a strong desire to avoid the proximate cause of this rally: how we remember the Civil War. Many moderates on both sides find it distasteful or “agitating” to consider how we memorialize that history. As someone who has worked on transitional justice efforts in a dozen countries, I can tell you that civilized countries have always made deliberate decisions about how to tell their history, who to memorialize, and how that becomes more accurate and informed over time. Do we honor history when we freeze in time a set of memorials largely born out of mythology, largely resurrected in the midst of desegregation (not the war), and largely based on an utterly debunked revisionist history of the Civil War? These critiques of renaming buildings and “protecting” statues are not historically accurate or intellectually honest. They are lazy attempts to avoid the difficult work of correcting the lingering effects of the Dunning School and the Lost Cause myth. It is a failure to understand the new Jim Crow laws that result. It is rendering invisible even today that the majority of human beings in Charlottesville and Albemarle County at the time of the Civil War were black, and it was black Union fighters who were the first to enter Richmond. What this three-month modern Klan campaign should teach those who passively support keeping these monuments is that they serve not as innocent icons of our past but political tools of hate and fear in our present.

    Saturday could be the anomaly or become the norm. This could be coming to a town near you, or our future could be defined by the many solidarity vigils being organized around the country. Our future will be determined by whether we speak honestly about the racial demagoguery of this White House, whether principled conservatives stop enabling the racist and authoritarian policies of the Trump administration, whether we restore the line between force and violence, and whether we have the moral and intellectual courage to engage honestly with our past.

    Langston Hughes famously said, “America never was America to me,/ And yet I swear this oath—/ America will be.” Saturday’s clash in Charlottesville may have lacked the poetry, but it offered the same prophetic challenge of those words. Previous generations sacrificed beyond measure to get us closer to that aspiration. Let’s be perfectly clear that there is only one good way for this story to end, and it isn’t with the the side of death or fear, of hate or of a nostalgia for a cult of racial injustice. It’s the only story there is to tell: of the America that will be.

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  • Walter Flatt

    PRAY FOR TRUMP AND SHARE THIS WITH EVERYONE YOU CAN. I HAVE VERIFED THE CAMPS, IF YOU DONT BELIEVE, GOOGLE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TERROR CAMPS OF THE USA. WHAT THEY WONT DO TO COVE THIS UP. PRAY FOR AMERICA.

    FROM A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT, A KOREAN WAR VET, AND A CHRISTIAN. I AM AN AMERICAN AND PROUDLY, I VOTED FOR TRUMP. I AM 86 AND HAVE NEVER SEEN A MORE QUALIFIED PERSON TO BE PRESIDENT.

    TRUMP NEEDS TO FIRE EVERYONE CONNECTED TO THE DEMOCRATS AND REALLY INVESTIGATE THE REAL MUSLIM PROBLEM WE ARE FACING.

    PUBLIC LAW 414, PAGE 2, SECTION 212 WAS PASSED IN 1952 AND THIS LAW SHOULD BE ENFORCED. IT BANS ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DESTROY US, THAT INCLUDE ALL MUSLIMS.

    5 CAMPS IN NORTH VA. CLOSE TO WASHINGTON, A MINIMUM OF 31 MORE CLOSE TO MILITARY BASES, AND A FEMA CAMP, (SOME STATES MORE), IN EVERY STATE. BUILT WITH TAX PAYER $. TO HOUSE MUSLIMS???

    READ THE QURAN, THEIR BIBLE. IF THE CAMPS IN N. VA. ARE TO TAKE DC. WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF HEADLESS POLITICIANS.

    COULD IT BE THAT OBAMA. HILLIARY, SORROS, AND THE NEWS MEDIA, ALONG WITH A LOT OF ELECTED SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES, HAVE SET US UP FOR HIM TO LEAD A MUSLIM INVASION OF OUR COUNTRY? IF NOT,

    WHY TRY AND BUY UP ALL AMMO AND TAKE OUR GUNS.

    WHY, WHILE IN OFFICE, DID HE SET HIS CABINET WITH MOSTLY MUSLIMS.

    WHY WAS HILLIARY’S TOP AIDE A RADICAL MUSLIM,

    WHY IS THE DEMOCRAT PARTY FOR A OPEN BORDER. COULD IT BE TO GET FREE DOPE, GOODGLE, THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLES 2015 AND LISTEN TO IT ALL.

    WHY ARE ALL MUSLIM CAMPS CLOSE TO OUR MILITARY BASES?

    LAST WHY, DID OBAMA SEND BILLIONS TO HIS MUSLIM FRIENDS.

  • NM Leon

    Both sides showed up with armor and weapons. That’s not free speech, it’s rioting.

  • tryscavage

    This was White Supremacists in a street fight with Communist Berkeley Bombers. Now some one told me that our Senators and Congressmen and Press wish to castigate only ONE of them? When you see such a childish view it makes it easy where to cast your vote. HEY – DUMMY SENATOR!! THEY ARE BOTH DANGEROUS.

    • Rodney Steward

      Its also the difference between being black and White!! Being White you’re a domestic terrorist!!

  • messup

    Simple: America now has two major camps: 1) Center Left (Collectivists) and Center Right (Individualists) Center Left (Collectivists) are some 18 catagories housing 1400 disparate groups. Center Right (Individualists) Constitutionalists (Tea Party, Freedom Foundation, et al) having fringe “hard right” activists. Site for Center Left (Collectivists): Link http://www.discoverthenetworks.org
    ANIMAL RIGHTS, ANTI-ISRAEL,ANTI-PATRIOT ACT,ANTI-SEMITIC,ARAB LOBBY,CIVIL LIBERTIES,CIVIL RIGHTS.ENVIRONMENTALIST,FEMINIST,HUMAN RIGHTS,IMMIGRATION,ISLAMIST,PEACE,POLITICAL
    RADICAL,RELIGIOUS LEFT,SOCIAL JUSTICE,TERRORIST,UNION !!! 18 major groups representing 1400 disparate groups.
    In order to understand (and intelligently analyze) what is underway in USA social discourse, this website details organizations slowly rising in 1900, accelerating in 1960’s upheavals. Today, they now have billions of dollars funding ongoing activities of shredding of US Constitution, Republicanism, Rule of Law, Separation of Powers, Legislature, Judicial and Executive. 2008’s OWO (Occupy Wall Street) was really ONE WORLD ORDER from SDS, Berkley, decimation of 1) Religion; 2) Education; 3) Governance and 4) Financial systems. 08/1/2017’s Charlottsville, (Robert E. Lee),VA statue (and Confederate Colors) merely epitomized these two “social forces,” I.e., Collectivization vs. Individualism. America is presently divided in these two camps. Pray. Amen. God Bless America and ALL Americans. Read A Bible this Sunday and Praise the Lord Our God. NKJV “The Lord hears his people when they call to him for help. He rescues them from all their troubles. The Lord is close to the brokenhearted; he rescues those whose spirits are crushed. The righteous person faces many troubles, but the Lord comes to the rescue each time.” (Psalm 34:17-19)

    • Rodney Steward

      Nailed it friend!!

    • Wildflowers52

      SO EXCELLENT!

  • TAM44

    These radicals started to really show their hatred for America over eight years ago. Those that oppose our history and want to destroy our history are anti-America. America is the land of the free and the home of the brave, live with it or leave it.

    • Wildflowers52

      Yeah…. OBAMA CHANGED AMERICA FUNDAMENTALLY, the only truth he told.

  • itsfun

    Why not tear down all the monuments and completely rewrite history as the liberals want? I guess the only group that the right to protest is one that is approved by the liberals. Then the liberals can make laws that say you must be tolerant of others as long as you agree with liberals. If you don’t agree with the liberals, then there will be no tolerance. Its okay to protest, break windows, hurt police officers, kill, burn, as long as you are liberal. Then the next step the liberals will want is to impeach any president that had slaves (yes you can impeach a President after his term).

    • Rodney Steward

      I here By impeach Obama!! 🙂

      • MyronJPoltroonian

        LOL! “Badda Bing, Badda Boom!”

        • Rodney Steward

          LOLOL, that’ll work every time!!

      • itsfun

        ditto

      • Wildflowers52

        I Second it

  • Tiger

    I did my homework. I was unsatisfied with what I was hearing on the news. I found that this march was legal, it was peaceful and it would have never made the news if the rioters, Antifa and the regulars had not been bused in. Not even FOX is telling how this started and the Left and all acting as if everyone to blame, they are not. The left hate anything that smacks of nationalism. They want globalism but it Trump does his homework, gets down to the bottom of this, then prosecutes those paying for it and busing them in under our riot laws, Soros etc. it will end it.

    Here is the rest of the story. I hope you share it. On youtube video where I posted this and said the march peaceful and the rioters bused in, posting this the videos shut down today. They don’t want the truth, they want their talking points.

    ‘We’re going to start standing up for our history’

    In February, the city council voted to
    remove the Lee statue, but that is on hold pending litigation. The
    council also voted to rename two city parks that had been named for
    Confederate generals; one of those, Emancipation Park, was due to be the
    site of Saturday’s rally.

    What can communities do with Confederate monuments? Here are 3 options

    Jason Kessler, who organized
    Saturday’s “Unite the Right” rally, said he doesn’t consider himself to
    be a white nationalist. But, he said, “we’re going to start standing up
    for our history.”

    “The statue itself is symbolic of a
    lot of larger issues. The primary three issues are preserving history
    against this censorship and revisionism — this political correctness,”
    he told CNN Friday.

    “The second issue is being allowed to
    advocate for your interests as a white person, just like other groups
    are allowed to advocate for their interests politically. And finally,
    this is about free speech. We are simply trying to express ourselves and
    do a demonstration, and the local government has tried to shut us
    down.”

  • cathylovesyou

    All the riots over the years have increased and continued because America gave in to Blackmail by liberal forces. Some gains could have been gotten though diplomacy but not good enough for liberal radicals. Ellison and Schumer One Communist and one Socialist prove this. They do it for recognition (votes) like Chelsea Handler ( a real jerk) does it for the same but money as well. It has been like this for 75 years and gets worse because the Republican party is weak and seeks the same gains,all pushing aside America and its peoples. Most of the non deplorable’s haven’t a clue as to what is happening as long as they get free stuff or those who want to punish us all because the Founders set up certain laws and a certain Religion was the common Religion of the day. Slaves freed in America have done better and continue to do better than any civilization in the world. All religions in America survived due to Participation and the Constitution although immigrants have come here and tried to silence them.
    Liberals Socialist and Communist in our Government are at fault as we let them infiltrate the American Way.
    Our wars are caused by liberal Dems not doing the right thing while in power leaving Republicans to do the dirty work while they sit on the sidelines complaining and cryiing about everything, God didn’t we do anything right to make our country great and if not get the hell out and take Rosie and Keith with you as they are rotten to the core. NO ????

    • Rodney Steward

      Ellison is a muslim, a good comment by the way!

      • cathylovesyou

        Rod I am aware of that, what many don’t know but you may realize by his stance he embraces communism. Ellison is a phony and totally screw up. Thanks

        • Rodney Steward

          🙂 🙂 🙂

      • Walter Flatt

        PRAY FOR TRUMP AND SHARE THIS WITH EVERYONE YOU CAN. I HAVE VERIFED THE CAMPS, IF YOU DONT BELIEVE, GOOGLE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD TERROR CAMPS OF THE USA. WHAT THEY WONT DO TO COVE THIS UP. PRAY FOR AMERICA.

        FROM A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT, A KOREAN WAR VET, AND A CHRISTIAN. I AM AN AMERICAN AND PROUDLY, I VOTED FOR TRUMP. I AM 86 AND HAVE NEVER SEEN A MORE QUALIFIED PERSON TO BE PRESIDENT.

        TRUMP NEEDS TO FIRE EVERYONE CONNECTED TO THE DEMOCRATS AND REALLY INVESTIGATE THE REAL MUSLIM PROBLEM WE ARE FACING.

        PUBLIC LAW 414, PAGE 2, SECTION 212 WAS PASSED IN 1952 AND THIS LAW SHOULD BE ENFORCED. IT BANS ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DESTROY US, THAT INCLUDE ALL MUSLIMS.

        5 CAMPS IN NORTH VA. CLOSE TO WASHINGTON, A MINIMUM OF 31 MORE CLOSE TO MILITARY BASES, AND A FEMA CAMP, (SOME STATES MORE), IN EVERY STATE. BUILT WITH TAX PAYER $. TO HOUSE MUSLIMS???

        READ THE QURAN, THEIR BIBLE. IF THE CAMPS IN N. VA. ARE TO TAKE DC. WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF HEADLESS POLITICIANS.

        COULD IT BE THAT OBAMA, AND ALL HIS APPOINTEES, HILLIARY, KERRY, FORMER HEAD OF CIA AND FBI, SEVERAL SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES AND THE NEWS MEDIA, HAVE SET US UP FOR OBAMS TO LEAD A MUSLIM INVASION OF OUR COUNTRY? IF NOT,

        WHY TRY AND BUY UP ALL AMMO AND TAKE OUR GUNS.

        WHY THE 5 MUSLIM CAMPS IN N. VA. JUST ACROSS THE LINE FROM DC???????

        WHY, WHILE IN OFFICE, DID HE SET HIS CABINET WITH MOSTLY MUSLIMS.

        WHY WAS HILLIARY’S TOP AIDE A RADICAL MUSLIM,

        WHY IS THE DEMOCRAT PARTY FOR A OPEN BORDER. COULD IT BE TO GET FREE DOPE, GOODGLE, THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLES 2015 AND LISTEN TO IT ALL.

        WHY ARE ALL MUSLIM CAMPS CLOSE TO OUR MILITARY BASES?

        LAST WHY, DID OBAMA SEND BILLIONS TO HIS MUSLIM FRIENDS.

        THIS COUNTRY HAD BETTER WAKE UP QUICK.

        • Rodney Steward

          This mad man had 8 years to set us up, and you’re right about the camps! I’ve been to the one here in my state of Alabama, it was an old farm that they bought a 300 acres worth! The Ammo that Obama bought up went to these camps along with a lot of other stuff and why I believe Obama made his home so close to the White house! They’re just waiting for the word to start and it will be one he$$ of a war my friend and they are armed well and they also control most of the gas by buying up all the quick shops! America woke up under Obama with Trump that threw a BIG twist into Obama and Hellary’s plan to bring down America, but they will still try it just any time! And many have awaken to this my friend, it’s coming!!

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    • Anouk

      Great post! You are so right indeed.

  • DrBillLemoine

    Words are cheap, Mr. President. Let’s see some action against violence; let’s see you disavow the very advisors close to you who promote such violence as Steve Bannon, attached to your ear daily. I’m not so sanguine to know that God has brought low Republican House Whip Rep. Scalise who fellowships with the KKK back home in Louisiana where many white supremacists and nationalists come from. But it makes one wonder, his shooting. Vengeance is mine, said the Lord. Talk is cheap for a huckster like you, Mr. Trump. Words however have meanings but you ignore them for your own gratification and to smooth over your own trials and tribulations. It’s called iniquity and your heart is full of it.

    • chw2000

      You’re the “huckster” Billybullshitte. You can blame all this on the previous administration that encouraged “civil disobedience”. You dumb a$$ Democrats are the ones that created the KKK, now live with it.

      • Tiger

        My friend tell him to chew on this. The march was legal, it was peaceful and it had a good reason for being in place. The rioters were bused in. Antifa and the usual. If Trump investigates this, like he says he will, to get down to the bottom of it, he will find George Soros.

        Here is how this march came about. Use it, share it, this rioting and violence WAS NOT DUE TO NATIONALISM BUT TO THE RADICAL LEFT. PERIOD.

        ‘We’re going to start standing up for our history’

        In February, the city council voted to
        remove the Lee statue, but that is on hold pending litigation. The
        council also voted to rename two city parks that had been named for
        Confederate generals; one of those, Emancipation Park, was due to be the
        site of Saturday’s rally.

        What can communities do with Confederate monuments? Here are 3 options

        Jason Kessler, who organized
        Saturday’s “Unite the Right” rally, said he doesn’t consider himself to
        be a white nationalist. But, he said, “we’re going to start standing up
        for our history.”

        “The statue itself is symbolic of a
        lot of larger issues. The primary three issues are preserving history
        against this censorship and revisionism — this political correctness,”
        he told CNN Friday.

        “The second issue is being allowed to
        advocate for your interests as a white person, just like other groups
        are allowed to advocate for their interests politically. And finally,
        this is about free speech. We are simply trying to express ourselves and
        do a demonstration, and the local government has tried to shut us
        down.”

      • DrBillLemoine

        Civil disobedience needs no encouragement by minorities who you personally demean and curse, not you alone but by the millions in the Trump base. Look again. The KKK is affiliated with no party, considers itself a White Nationalist Party then and now. Are you listening to their leaders whom I know from contact in the Deep South? If not, you are being duped big time as they vote with you, as David Duke just said yesterday, for Pres. Trump. It’s today that counts against you neo-Nazis.
        Remember too that Trump supported neo-Nazi Marine LePen, soundly defeated in the French presidential election. Nobody wants you in their party or even around. At least they are not anonymous as you hide with no picture or name identity.

        • Rodney Steward

          You stupid fool, this is the same bunch of thugs that is bused in by Soros everywhere trouble can happen!! This started out peaceful, then your bunch of retards were brought in!! You’re a perverted LIAR and I guess you ware a sack over your head when in church, you he$$ bound idiot!

          • DrBillLemoine

            Again, you must see cockeyed. David Duke himself of the KKK, with whom I’m familiar from the Deep South White Supremacists, now White Nationalists Party, said on air he was there to support the #1 Confederacy supporter of slavery, Robt. E. Lee, whose statue is to be removed. It’s not Soros as you dream. Actually it’s you who proceed anonymously with no picture your neighbors and church fellows can recognize. That’s to hide your anti-Christian, hateful thoughts and speech coming from your black heart, that they would see and demand you repent.

          • Rodney Steward

            I support those statues also, I had family that died in that war and no one in my family ever owned a slave, but I from the South boy, never been in the KKK that your party came up with, it’s my D’N Heritage and stop your show of being a true Christian, you act more like a muslim! LIE, LIE, LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • DrBillLemoine

            When any icon evokes negative feelings among minorities who were slaves and the reason for the Civil War, it’s time for statues to go, if they were ever erected. I learned myself recently they were not erected post-civil war but in the 1960s which generally was the time of voter and civil rights movement by blacks and opposed by you and your family. Thankfully LBJ, a southerner, was more thoughtful and supportive than you and your family. And you aren’t reading my stuff again–KKK is affiliated with whatever party can gain them standing, Trump Republicans today. You have no discernment and judgment about politics there or in your family history.
            BTW I see you are out of ideas and rebuttal excuses by bringing in Muslims and lying. Christ said the truth was in them of good repute, that He was the way, truth and life. You aren’t a Christian by your heart and actions according to Gospel and Epistle. Guess you are in with earthbound Satan who thrives in lies and you can’t tell the difference.

          • Rodney Steward

            First off you uneducated idiot, no one alive has ever been a slave and you couldn’t pay any of these people to go to Africa, and again Mr uneducated, the Civil War was NOT fought over slavery, slavery was only brought up at the end of the war so Sherman could continue burning the South! And LBJ was right, we’ll let them live for free and we’ll own the N—ers forever, he was right! So Doc, looks like we ride in the same boat!! And if this had been the BLM thugs burning down a town, killing a cop, and looting, you’d never said a word about that would you Christian man!

          • DrBillLemoine

            You’d better take a history course on the civil war and its causes. Unlike Britain which paid for slaves freed in their history, America never paid reparations. But our politics then was oriented around slavery and human/citizen rights in the Deep South, like it or not today and around the 1950s-60s.
            Don’t confuse war tactics with slavery. It was still secession that impelled the North to react. Guess you are a White Supremacist, too, not in my boat.
            Also you confuse white terrorists with peaceloving marchers in BLM. It’s criminals who do the violence unprovoked. That’s also why you are wrong about Muslims–ISIS is thugs, terrorists, barbarians and criminals wrapped in the religious cloak for ‘respectability’.
            Also study your Gospel. Christ’s commandment to love one another comes from the heart and yours is black and sinful toward fellow citizens.

          • Rodney Steward

            I did study this history with a professor that was a friend of mine at the college just 16 miles from my house! And his whole finding were on the front page of the paper that told the true story of the war! You version of the war came from the history book I was taught from, the North won the war so they got to print history the way they wanted it! Never been a White Supremacist, or KKK, that really no longer exist, don’t believe in it! I told you I’m from the South, it’s My Heritage, and I don’t want anyone messing with it, not even a bunch of weak minded Dems.!! But again, if it was the BLM all this wouldn’t even be talked about today! But the ANTIFA has to dealt with, this is your new KKK from the Soros Dem. club house!

          • DrBillLemoine

            So you are equating ‘study’ or learning with friendship and closeness to the college? Nonsense. And then you want me to believe his course with you was on the newspaper front page??? Let’s hear which town–no doubt in the Deep South–and the professor’s name. See, you are always vague like your avatar so nobody can challenge you, pretty cowardly to me.
            You don’t have to carry a KKK card to believe as they do; your posts easily show your bigotry in race and religion–a feature of supremacy feelings. BTW David Duke reminded Pres. Trump yesterday on air to heed the KKK which helped elect him. Plain as day: it exists.
            A southern boy??? I claim the same having lived there for much of my life and career, but never had the feelings you write here. And now we all read from you: my ‘Heritage’, right or wrong. More baloney, or narrow thinking some might call ‘weak minded’. And you overlook Dixiecrats who were not weak minded in your youth, all Democrats, may of them segregationists or white supremacists too.
            But get this straight, BLM only arose in resistance, to counter, you and your pals bigotry since 1865. That’s your heritage you can’t hide here.
            ‘new KKK from the Soros Dem club house’–you are seriously demented combining all that in public. I told you to share your thoughts with others before making a fool of yourself here. Again we can all see why you omit a picture from your avatar.

          • Rodney Steward

            The BLM was bought and is still paid for by the Obama White house and Soros, and my friend that I went to high school with, I went to see him when he stayed over at night or in between night courses! I promise Doc. it’s you that makes a fool of themselves! That BS about David Dukes must have been on CNN that’s about to fold!!! You need to get a job with them, you’d fit right in Bill, I’m sorry, I just can’t use Doc any more, it’s just not fitting for you!!

          • NM Leon

            Uh HELLO, which group was it that had a permit? Oh yeah, it was the White Supremacists. The AntiFa/BLM thugs were there to disrupt, as they have in many other instances.

          • NM Leon

            Peace loving marchers get a permit, and they DON’T show up at another (permitted) group’s rally armed with bats and clubs and wearing helmets and padding.

          • goldie

            Why waste your time – he doesn’t want the truth, he wants his truth.

          • Rodney Steward

            You’re right, then he uses the Bible too, to make him look better!

          • Frank629

            dr. of bullshit

          • goldie

            His comments are 1/2 praise of his accomplishments and 1/2 bs “facts”. He is also very condescending of anyone who disagrees with him – but like I said, the truth will come out and sometimes it bites.

          • gvette

            He has a doctorate in education. It’s as worthless as he is. It just sounds good when him and his progressive buddys are sitting around patting themselves on their backs!

          • Wildflowers52

            And those wacko hateful college and university professors mostly have doctorates. No common sense.

          • gvette

            That sums up the bulk of them!

          • Wildflowers52

            Doesn’t it? They’re all a bunch of one world order socialist/communists, brainwashing our leaders of tomorrow! No integrity or morals.

          • NM Leon

            His is a PhDumbshit, and it’s not their backs they are patting.

          • gvette

            I laugh at him. He talks about the papers he writes for. I’ll bet that draws a crowd! He likes to tell me I’m not popular on these sites. Funny, I’ve noticed not person one likes him! Legend in his own little mind!!

          • NM Leon

            He really is a stupid little man, apparently too stupid to realize that those papers are searchable and that their search engines reveal him for the liar he is.

          • gvette

            Not according to him. He says he’s good at what he does. Funny thing is, he’s a math teacher sucking off the taxpayers. Nothing more.

          • NM Leon

            If he was a math teacher it must have been at 3rd grade level or lower. He once claimed he was the super of a school that doubled it’s enrollment every semester. He’s too math challenged to realize that that would take a school with 500 students to 256,000 students in just 5 years. He’s too stupid to realize the absurdity of his statements.

            But he is fun to poke and prod.

          • gvette

            As I’ve told it before, It’s just entertainment for me. He said he’s a progressive, but the crap he spews, is as liberal as it gets!

          • goldie

            They don’t show dislikes on this site. If they did, he’d have hundreds.

          • gvette

            As it stands, none of the sites show down votes. I guess the liberals complained about it!!

          • Kol

            You do not make any sense… you seem to forget that these are conservative sites… so, of course, they don’t want “down” votes!
            LOLOLOL!!!

          • gvette

            That’s all you’d have. By the way, I told you to take that cock out of your mouth, when contacting me.

          • Kol

            Strange obsession you’ve got there about cocks in other people’s mouths. You’re some kind of a closet queen???

          • gvette

            Nope. You’re the only cock sucker, well besides Barry.

          • Kol

            That’s hilarious coming from an ass-kisser.
            Kiss mine! (But use mouthwash first.)

          • gvette

            Actually it was BADrock Omuslim, that sucked the dicks, and kissed the asses of every dictator, and despot in the middle east, and then some.

          • Kol

            I’m human, what are you? Any similarity you have to a human is purely coincidental. You act like an idiot… or mentally ill. And it’s slightly amusing to laugh at your stupidity. Only slightly.

          • goldie

            too true.

          • gvette

            I was looking for the original article, but I can’t find it. LOL…Besides, showing down votes might make Bill cry.

          • gvette

            LMAO…LBJ? The guy that took the money from SS to build his “great Society” and said we’ll have those niggers voting DemonRAT for 200 years!

          • Rodney Steward

            That’s the same one!!! 🙂

          • gvette

            Funny how blabbermouth Bill always sides with the worst people on the planet! He’s still pissed Killary the country killer didn’t win. Remember, he’s a legend in his own mind!

          • Rodney Steward

            And then uses the Bible like all the PEOPLE that put Rev. in front of their name that turn out to be THUGS!!

          • gvette

            A lot of those degrees are just toilet paper. That’s all Bill’s degree is.

          • Rodney Steward

            Venezuela would love him, don’t they have a shortage of it!! 🙁

          • NM Leon

            He belongs to a Satan cult that says there are only two commandments.

          • Rodney Steward

            And which 2 would that be brother, sure one is he$$ bound! 🙂

          • NM Leon

            Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Matthew 22:36-40

            His cult believes that relieves them from having to follow any of the others.

          • Rodney Steward

            ALRIGHT, got you now my friend and there’s no doubt he pats himself on the back for being one of the good old boys all the time and I hate the Dr in front of his name that makes him look even more stupid!!

          • NM Leon

            It’s not really a Dr, it’s a PhDumbshit.

          • Rodney Steward

            LOL, OH how I do believe that !!!

          • DrBillLemoine

            Before he was a politician and president, LBJ was a TX Southerner: remember now? Aside from Ryan, and once upon a time Bush2, we’ll always have social security. It’s not germane here. Some folks never learn–take it from a teacher.

          • Rodney Steward

            No better than teachers do today, they’re looked at as terrorist!!

          • gvette

            Just think how much more there’d be if your DemonRAT friends didn’t take it!

          • Kol

            Why Do Republicans Tell Such Obvious Lies? – Mother Jones

            http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/…/why-do-republicans-tell-such-obvious-lie...

            May 6, 2017 – While we’re setting the record straight: AHCA was posted online a month ago, went through 4 committees, & has been scored by CBO — twice.

            Why Republicans dutifully defend Trump’s most ridiculous lies

            theweek.com/articles/…/why-republicans-dutifully-defend-trumps-most-ridiculous-lies

            Mar 27, 2017 – So every time Trump says something ridiculous, Republicans have to ask themselves: Do I help him on this or not? Some lies he tells are …

            Republicans lied about healthcare for years and deserve punishment …

            http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-ahca-health-care-obamacare-2017-3

            Mar 22, 2017 – They lied and lied and lied and lied about healthcare. Now they cannot do what they lied and said they could do.

            Why conservatives are more likely than liberals to believe false …

            http://www.latimes.com/…/la-sci-sn-conservative-believe-false-threats-20170202-story.html

            Feb 2, 2017 – Conservatives’ vulnerability to accepting untruths didn’t apply equally to all false claims: When lies suggested dangerous or apocalyptic …

          • gvette

            According to what your left thinks. Why is it DemonRATS like pissing other people’s money away on garbage?

          • Kol

            Thank you demonstrating Republican LYING so well. You’re so good at it!

          • gvette

            Like when your nigger said, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Get your head out of your ass. The lack of oxygen is fucking up what little brain you have left!

          • Kol

            You’re lowlife and racist. No credibility at all. Why waste other people’s time writing bullshit posts! Disgusting freak!

          • gvette

            Awwww, did the truth hurt the little DemonRAT snowflake’s feelings?

          • Kol

            Nah, you just make me laugh at how stupid you get. Do it some more. LOLOL!

          • NM Leon
          • NM Leon

            You mean the LBJ that said,

            “These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”
            Senate Majority Leader LBJ on the 1957 Civil Rights Act

            “I’ll have those ni**ers voting Democrat for 200 years.”
            President LBJ on the 1964 Civil Rights act

            Is that the LBJ you mean?

          • Anouk

            You are repulsive!

          • Wildflowers52

            LBJ was as crooked as a dog’s back leg.

          • DrBillLemoine

            No scandal like McConnell stealing a Judgeship last year. Bush2 invading Iraq we can’t get out of now despite Obama’s best efforts. Then there’s Abramson, Vitter, a very long list of crooked Republicans including Ryan and McConnell. But the worst is Trump.

          • Wildflowers52

            Lee was no lover of slavery! He owned no slaves, dummy.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Many rebels owned no slaves, yet fought and died for slavery.

        • Wildflowers52

          Do your homework. The KKK was formed by all Democrats who were white. DEMOCRATS

          • DrBillLemoine

            You don’t seem to get it. KKK is southern and racist. That once was Dixiecrats, now Republicans. They aren’t politically connected, except for convenience. Today it’s Republicans and Trump. Duke said so on cable news yesterday.

          • Kol

            And the KKK also claims that it is “Christian”! LOL!

          • DrBillLemoine

            Right, just like ISIS claims it is Muslim. Same thing. They are simply criminals, thugs and terrorists.

          • Kol

            Exactly! I know Muslims and Muslim Culture quite well. I’m American and have extended family in Russia who include a small number of Muslims. They are fine, respectable people, … … and no bigots/haters among them. To them, ISIS is disgusting and not really a part of them. And that’s true of the vast majority of 1.5 BILLION Muslims worldwide. Very few real Muslims are radical funamentalists at all nowadays! And one I know right here in America is even a retired NASA engineering scietnist (PhD), a very nice old guy! And I’ve even lived among those in my Russian extended family for a few months a time several different times, so I know them quite well.

          • NM Leon

            You are correct that the majority of Muslims are not radical, but a significant minority are. In the US there are 627,000 Muslims who believe that homicide bombings are justified. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-app-a/

          • goldie

            Does it matter if they are radical now or later? Their religion teaches hatred and death for the ‘infidel’ – that is not a religion, it is a plot for world domination.

          • Kol

            That is nothing but deliberate ignorance on your part, typical anti-Muslim bigotry and hatred, nothing more. Educate yourself.

          • goldie

            You’re not worth responding to. Listen to muslims themselves – you refuse to see the obvious. Go ahead and name-call if you enjoy it; that’s the level of your mentality – grade school antics.

          • Kol

            I seriously doubt that there are anywhere even close to that many Muslims in the US who actually believe any such thing. And we see FAR MORE physical violence committed by right wing extremists than we do by Muslims.

          • NM Leon

            Did you bother to follow the link to the liberal Pew site? They found that 81% of American Muslims believe homicide bombings are not justified. That leaves 19% who believe they are justified. 19% of 3.3 million is 627,000.

            Let’s do a comparison.

            Muslim Violence in the US

            February 26, 1993 World Trade Center bombing, (New York, NY):

            1994 Brooklyn Bridge shooting a van filled with schoolboys targeted by Muslim extremist.

            March 23, 1997 Empire State Building shooting (New York, NY):

            September 11 attacks, 2001

            July 28, 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting, (Seattle, WA):

            May 2009 Bronx terrorism plot Muslim extremists plan to bomb synagogue

            June 1, 2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting, (Little Rock, AR):

            November 5, 2009 Fort Hood shooting, Ft. Hood, Texas:

            September 11, 2011 Waltham triple murder, (Waltham, MA): Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.

            April 15, 2013 Boston Marathon bombing (Boston, MA):

            September 25, 2014 Vaughan Foods beheading incident, (Moore, OK):

            July 16, 2015 Chattanooga shootings, Chattanooga, Tennessee:

            4 November 2015 University of California, Merced stabbing attack by Muslim extremist

            December 2, 2015 San Bernardino attack,

            11 February 2016 Ohio machete attack by Muslim extremist

            June 12, 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting,

            November 28, 2016 Ohio State University attack,

            Right-wing extremism and anti-government

            April 19, 1995: Oklahoma City bombing:

            July 27, 1996: Centennial Olympic Park bombing

            July 27, 2008: Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting:

            November 1, 2013: 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting:

            June 8, 2014: 2014 Las Vegas shootings: Two Las Vegas police officers while eating pizza

            Looks like far fewer right wing incidents than Muslim. Just for grins and giggles let’s look at the left too.

            Left-wing extremism and anti-government

            October 1, 1910: Los Angeles Times bombing.

            November 24, 1917: A bomb explodes in a Milwaukee police station, killing nine officers and a civilian.

            1919 United States anarchist bombings

            September 16, 1920: Wall Street bombing

            September 20, 1970, National Guard armory in Newburyport, Massachusetts robbed

            a bank in Brighton, Massachusetts robbed

            August 7, 1969: Twenty were injured by radical leftist Sam Melville in a bombing of the Marine Midland Building in New York City.

            October 6, 1969 – The Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago was bombed;

            October 8–11, 1969 – The “Days of Rage” riots occurred in Chicago,

            November 8, 1969 – Sniper attack on Cambridge Police Station.

            December 6, 1969 – Bombing of several Chicago police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago.

            January, 1970 – Silas and Judith Bissell placed a homemade bomb under the steps of the ROTC building.

            February 16, 1970 – A bomb was detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department,

            February 21, 1970 – The house of Judge Murtagh, who was presiding over the Panther 21 trial, is fire-bombed

            March 6, 1970 – WUO members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins are killed in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion,[2][8] when a nailbomb they were constructing detonates.

            March 30, 1970 – Chicago police discover a WUO “bomb factory” on Chicago’s north side.

            April 1, 1970 – Based on a tip Chicago Police find 59 sticks of dynamite, ammunition, and nitro glyerine in an apartment traced to WUO members.

            May 10, 1970 – The National Guard Association of the United States building in Washington, D.C. is bombed.

            June 9 , 1970- The New York City Police headquarters is bombed

            July 25, 1970 – The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. On the same day, a branch of the Bank of America is bombed in New York.

            July 28, 1970 – Bank of America HQ in NYC is bombed around 3:50 AM.

            October 6, 1970 – Second bombing of Chicago’s Haymarket Police monument

            October 8, 1970 – Bombing of Marin County courthouse.

            October 10, 1970 – A Queens traffic-court building is bombed.

            October 11, 1970 – A Courthouse in Long Island City, NY is bombed.

            October 12, 1970 – Around October 12 eight bomb explosions occur, Five in Rochester New York, Two in NYC, and One in Orlando FL. Despite warnings three persons are injured

            October 14, 1970 – The Harvard Center for International Affairs is bombed by The Proud Eagle Tribe of Weather

            December 5, 1970 – Five Weatherman are captured for trying to bomb First National City Bank of NY and other buildings

            December 11, 1970 – Vivian Bogart and Patricia Mclean from the WUO are arrested after throwing an incendiary bomb at the Royal National Bank in NYC around 1:30 AM.

            March 1, 1971 – The United States Capitol is bombed.

            April, 1971 – FBI agents discover what is dubbed “Pine Street Bomb Factory”, an abandoned apartment utilized by WUO in San Francisco, California.

            August 30, 1971 – Bombings of the Office of California Prisons in Sacramento and San Francisco

            September 17, 1971 – The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, New York is bombed

            October 15, 1971 – The bombing of William Bundy’s office in the MIT research center.

            May 19, 1972 – Bombing of The Pentagon, “in retaliation for the U.S. bombing raid in Hanoi.”

            May 18, 1973 – The bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York.

            September 28, 1973 – ITT headquarters buildings in New York City and Rome, Italy are bombed.

            March 6, 1974 – Bombing of the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare offices in San Francisco.

            May 31, 1974 – The Office of the California Attorney General is bombed.

            June 17, 1974 – Gulf Oil’s Pittsburgh headquarters is bombed.

            September 11, 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation).

            January 29, 1975 – Bombing of the State Department;

            January 23, 1975 – Offices of Dept. of Defense in Oakland are bombed.

            June 16, 1975 – Weathermen bomb a Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York,

            September, 1975 – Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation;

            November, 1977 – Five WUO members are arrested on conspiracy to bomb California State Senator, John Brigg’s offices.

            October 20, 1981 Brinks robbery

            September 18, 1969: The Federal Building in New York City was bombed by radical leftist Jane Alpert.

            October 7, 1969: Fifth floor of the Armed Forces Induction Center in New York City was devastated by explosion attributed to radical leftist Jane Alpert.

            November 12, 1969: A bomb was detonated in the Manhattan Criminal Court building in New York City. Jane Alpert, Sam Melville, and 3 other militant radical leftists were arrested hours later.

            1971 – 1975: The New World Liberation Front was a radical left-wing group in the San Francisco area in the 70’s who conducted multiple bombings in the Bay area over a 3-year period. They claim almost 50 successful bombings.

            November 7, 1983: U.S. Senate bombing.

            May 2002: Lucas John Helder rigged pipe bombs in private mailboxes to explode when the boxes were opened. He injured 6 people in Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Illinois, and Iowa.

            June 14, 2017 James T. Hodgkinson, a supporter of presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont was distraught over the 2016 election of President Donald J. Trump, and opened fire on an Arlington, VA baseball field where the Republican congressional team was practicing for the following day’s Congressional Baseball Game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

            WOW!!! looks like you lefties have FAR more terrorist incidents than the right and Muslims combined!

          • DrBillLemoine

            Very good. You should understand that your story resembles my posts about Muslims and ISIS. It’s not a popular stance on conservative posts. So how do you feel about Trump collusion?

          • Kol

            Donald Trump’s really a very poor president and has accomplished very little. And he’s likely to prove to be very dangerous before we’re finally rid of him! I find his anti-Muslim and other bigotry and racism really offensive and unacceptable for a president. And his non-stop lies! I believe America is in for quite a rough ride IF we don’t either get Trump under some sort of control or else somehow get rid of him. We’ll see…

          • DrBillLemoine

            For all his swagger, Trump has no experience in politics, governance, law, policymaking, and little success investing, teaching or personnel selection.
            He’s already dangerous by inciting KKK marches and encouraging 900+ hate groups according to Southern Poverty Law Center. Trump represents all the traits of the very rich, a reason Romney was rejected in 2012. The 400 talk only to themselves and live quite differently from you and me. The lies are compulsive from his father’s influence. There’s no controlling the president, only the presidency barring impeachment. That’s coming soon to a tv screen near you. Get ready.

          • Trixieroselee

            Well, if Duke said it, it must be true. Your source’s are impeccable!
            How about the President embracing an openly racist group? One founded on a huge lie, and whose activities resulted in the deaths of many Police Officers? Black Lives Matter!
            Did you Dems not think that a few unstable whites might resent a few unstable blacks, which our Government openly endorsed, and decide to act out that resentment!
            And, it is liberal fascism that is constantly fomenting terrorism with their demands to rewrite history! It’s always their way or nothing!

          • DrBillLemoine

            No source for Duke’s statement. I heard/watched it myself. How’d you miss it–unreliable sources?
            I’ve know Duke for a long time in Louisiana, conducted interviews in public with him and asked him the racial questions nobody else would touch. He’s slick with the answers among non-KKK audiences.
            BLM has killed nobody. Read my thread. It’s criminals who turn out and attach themselves to marches and demonstrations, not ordinary people/marchers. Of course they claim the mantle of BLM for cover and deception–of you.
            Remember, it was not a black man who shot (R-La) Rep. Scalise who talks to and was elected by KKK.
            Careful with the generalizations.
            How’s that–liberal fascism terrorists demand to rewrite history? Your brain must look like a pretzel to come up with that mishmash. And you forget Merrick Garland rebuffed with no hearings–classic McConnell/Republican’s way or nothing.
            It wasn’t liberals who marched this weekend carrying guns and fomenting trouble. Sad to say the old John Birch Society (no fluoride in the water and wave the nuclear bomb wand to solve problems) has reemerged as guess what, the Freedom Caucus. It’s tired old racism, authoritarianism, anti-scientism and a few more isms back again.

          • Trixieroselee

            This is good-bye! But before I leave you in your muddled theology… So, David Duke supported Trump? If you meander down that path awhile you just might bump into a few reprobates the Dems would like to disavow. Although, they probably wouldn’t!

            Look up Fascism. The progressive left fits the definition to a tee! They are the word police, the thought police, the conform or else police. They want to destroy our social construct, they favor law breakers over a civilized society. They happily welcome people who hate us, and want to kill us….if there is even a remote chance they might vote Democratic! And, just like you, they shame, name call, use every tactic available to foment hatred against any who dare to disagree!

            And, the hate group BLM claim righteous indignation, but they were in full force marching and chanting to [kill pigs, cook ’em like bacon]. And, lo and behold, they did just that. Plus, they used false statistics to stir up more hatred. And Pres. Obama gave them his endorsement, for pure political expediency! And, that worked out well didn’t it? (Read with Sarcasm)

            So, your Tribe is dripping with Fascist Haters.

            Ta-ta!

          • DrBillLemoine

            I thought at first there was some hope for you, but I was wrong. You don’t accept truth when given to you about Duke saying to the world for all to see and hear, he and his KKK voted for Trump, support him.
            Progressives don’t make up word definitions, society does, meaning general usage by people like you. Those who ignore word meanings can get in trouble, something the left avoids but not the Trump right in their zeal to hang on every word tweeted by Trump, orated by Trump at rallies. We also tend toward more education so we can be taught to pose questions, gather factual evidence, make valid conclusions and act on them. That’s not Trump or you either by your other statement of ‘mindset’ rebuffing my teaching. Look in the mirror and hard at Trump to see fascism in action–suppress votes and the press, deny intel data, believe you are smarter than general society, prescribe what’s best for others because you ‘believe’. Etc. That’s tailor-made for fascist leaders who mold you into a dutiful, unquestioning and hard-hearted citizen. Also include denial of Constitutional limits and the Bill of Rights which you trash in a moment to suit yourself.
            You also confuse rightful dismay at reduction of protections of equality by BLM for hate which it isn’t. Where were any BLM marchers chanting what you said, akin to Trump’s ‘seeing’ Muslims dancing in the street during 9-1-1. It never happened. Your sources of data are faux news and political spin because you don’t read ‘liberal’ or even MSM as I do these conservative words to broaden my thinking. When that happens, know that it’s criminals and barbarians (like your hated ISIS) who don the cloak of respectability to fool you superficial citizens to do their bidding and spread their hate. Again, sources are important and you are too narrow. Guess you don’t believe that some things are inalienable rights and basic truths and facts. Too bad, but we ‘progressives’ still accept you as fellow citizens, not enemies, you mantra from Trump and the far right ideologues. If you can’t distinguish real from fascist, I can’t help you in a few short words here.

          • ezekiel22

            Doc, what happened in Charlottesville was pretty much predictable. As long as MSM continues to hide from their complicity they will be guilty of the aftermaths that will happen. I expected you to do your usual denigrating which means you have absolutely no references as to the events or actions that lead to people getting hurt and one lady killed.
            First of all the White Supremacists did have a permit to protest in the park. Anita and BLM did not have that precious permit making them interlopers. Violent interlopers but idiots just the same. As a matter of fact those counter protesters were not only bussed in but were paid as well. Hired right off of Craigslist.
            I knew about the incident with the car before it made the news. The internet is fast! The videos I have seen show me things that do not fit the narrative being fed people and that includes Fox as well. What they are not telling you is that these BLM and Antifa counter protesters were busy throwing rocks and pepper spraying people heller skelter before people could even speak! I guess that is just the way that liberals enforce the First Amendment.
            From what I understand is that Terry McCauliff as well as the mayor share responsibility in this getting out of hand. We will see. I do know that it was state troopers not local police that dispersed the permitted crowd as the event was to start. To top that off the Supremacists were forced to walk between groups of counter protesters which is about as stupid as one can get. You do actions like that for a purpose. The good news is that AG Jeff Sessions is investigating it now.
            I told you that there is no differences between BLM and associated groups and White Supremacists and their groups. Charlottesville proved that. I told you that Antifa was no different than Hitlers Brownshirts Charlottesville proved that. Socialists and National Socialists are the same damn thing! In this case just different colors. The MSM is nothing more than Goebbels on Steroids.

          • DrBillLemoine

            There’s just too much wrong here to counter.
            I’m questioning the local police actions to separate permit holders from anti’s. State Police are better but seemed late. Sorry for the chopper deaths.
            What I see and know from prior experience is white supremacists aka Nazis aka White Nationalists were attracted to Trump’s rhetoric and Bannon affiliation and tried to take advantage. Trump was late condemning them because they are his base. No good. One criminal killed and maimed many–hateful.
            It doesn’t take a permit to spontaneously demonstrate against permit holders. Freedom of lawful assembly. The white supremacists admitted by word and armaments they were spoiling for a fight. They need it to gain attention with such an ugly belief underpinning.
            Where is your validation of ‘bussed in’ interlopers? Not credible without verification.
            Once again you allude to some spurious ‘narrative’ just like one more conspiracy theory. Stop the lying.
            No credible verification. (See above for one poster who cites a website for news when the website cannot be verified as a news organization. Faux news posting and spinning and lying don’t count, but you righties don’t care, don’t verify. Shameful.
            And what is ‘antifas’, another dog whistle? Not found in cable news, only rightist websites.
            And finally you again try to equate criminal KKK, white supremacists and White Nationalists with decent protesters against hate. Stop the madness; stop destabilizing our nation with false equivalencies. Do you hate your country that much? ‘Goebbels on Steroids’–indeed??!! Stop undermining good and decent people like that. It’s as bad as the old John Birch Society that wanted no fluoride in the water to preserve people’s teeth because it was a liberal conspiracy for some reason. Stop the madness.

          • ezekiel22

            Thought I would give you some reading material just to start. There is more. Much more and as you will notice even your beloved Fox News is mentioned and not favorably. If you read my earlier post you will notice I was not favorable either.
            Funny how you condemn Trump for being late in making a statement but then again he was faster than Clinton was on Benghazi. If you are going to criticize then be evenhanded. Like I was telling someone Trump could have lined up all the Supremacists and shot them and he would have been criticized for using the wrong caliber.
            Here you have statements made by the vice mayor of Charlottesville. A real piece of work. You have a professor stating some more facts. Rent a crowd is on Craigslist wages start from $12.50 to $25.00 an hour with benefits. Whether you believe or try to find out independently is up to you. It screws up your narrative of victimhood and victims fighting back. You shield Antifa, BLM, Nation of Islam, New Black Panther Party with blind abandon even though they are in the same exact class as The Aryan Brotherhood and the KKK. You will ignore the fact that these bussed in protesters came in with piss balloons, tear gas, clubs, aerosol flamethrowers which is anything but spontaneous. You can go onto YouTube and see even more. I got mine form other sources but YouTube seems to be a decent archive. Now you have Antifa calling for even greater degrees of violence.
            BTW You really do not know anything of Trumps past short of what you were told by the DNC. Try looking up his awards and recognitions. It seems that he has had the first integrated Country Club in Florida to start. Oh yes, that was in Florida. There is more but do some research. Enjoy these reads.

            https://www.youngcons.com/black-professor-reveals-difference-between-whites-tired-of-being-bullied-and-real-racists/?ref=FacebookPost, https://www.kevinmartin.info/, http://www.cavalierdaily.com,

          • DrBillLemoine

            I’m not interested in reading your narrow minded, right wing, fabricated news sources. We have a mainstream print/broadcast/cable news array for facts and significance to America. That takes reportorial discipline I encouraged in other venues (well received), verified facts (corroboration required) and editorial guts. Fox (comedy) News isn’t among them, more like a Republican loudspeaker.
            Oh, here we go again with Benghazi. Aren’t you ashamed to raise that name again after so much time and investigation to debunk the main thesis there?
            Yes, mainline Americans and real patriots are fighting back against Trumpism. You may recall my stance on one issue in these very pages–anonymous posting. Some activists with more skills than I have are posting pictures of extremists for identification and shaming–can you guess my glee?
            Those criminals, thugs, barbarians are no better than ISIS terrorists born in America, whose opportunities to excel are abundant but they choose Nazi ID, against a half million dead Americans fighting Hitler in ww2. If we apply your rent-a-terrorist concept to Charlottesville, it turns up terrorists, not their opponents. And again you ignore the ease of generating phony YouTube videos and text without validity or truth. Shameful to claim research with such links and sources like your list.
            What I know is the heart will eventually come to light, so no pile of ‘bought’ awards compensates for the hundreds or thousands of students, workers, vendors, charity recipients Trump has used and abused including the revelations lately of Russian collusion. (If I raise economic levels for 1930s Germans and kill 6 million of them in holocaust, do I get an award or face death?) Your examples are terrible along with continuing failure to properly evaluate with resulting change the faults of Trumpism you still applaud.

          • ezekiel22

            Okay so which one of your statements are true? You say my examples are terrible whereas you previously said you do not have time to read what I relayed to you. One is a lie and the other is the truth. Perhaps you need to listen to Dr. Alveda King. The truth is you are in no way interested in the truth no way no how.

            You are so behind the times. The Russian collusion story has collapsed in its entirety. I told you that Julian Assange straight up said that the Russians did not do the hacking. I told you that two different cybersecurity experts that teach our government cybersecurity experts that the Russians did not hack the DNC. Now hear this! A retired head of cyberintelligence has openly stated that the information was downloaded at a speed that is impossible to download at over the internet. The data was downloaded at the DNC! The person that did it was Seth Rich according to forensic computer analysis. BTW he is dead. Just another body as one would say.

            When I told you about finding stuff on YouTube I mentioned it as an archive. If you cannot handle challenges to your bias then say so. I can show you where and how MSM including CNN has manufactured news as well as manipulated it as well. You have the temerity to scoff at videos? You have the temerity to scoff at what residents including their local paper has published? How in the hell do you differ from Herr Goebbels? ISIS and Nazis burned books and tore down historical monuments and references just like Antifa and BLM does now and you wish to justify them? That is weak in the most. It is also perpetrating a lie on people which you should be ashamed of.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Very weak rebuttal relying on questionable sources (such as you deign to mention), failing to distinguish truth from faux news and referencing unknown names in the general public (akin to dog whistles).
            All your scoffing at my facts doesn’t negate them.
            You believe the Russian-affiliated Assange, head of WikiLeaks, who says Russia didn’t hack/give data to him–patent nonsense in intel circles, not so much among the public who are half listening/involved. So you might hold credibility among the disinterested, a terrorist and propagandist’s tactics.
            You cite no names of experts in cybersecurity.
            You raise names of dead people who cannot testify.
            You never said YouTube was an archive, a possible repository of false data you are referencing, without specifics–unacceptable.
            You mention unspecified videos and local papers–unknown validity and truth.
            You front a false equivalency with a dead Nazi.
            You introduce hated ISIS as equal to anti-segregationists and decent Gospel/law abiding citizens.
            You would do segregationist, white supremacist, and White Nationalist Donald J. Trump proud.

          • ezekiel22

            I don’t deal with liars or slanderers or racists no matter what color you are. You are proven dishonest to yourself and others. Educated on paper only.

          • DrBillLemoine

            You fail to denounce Pres. Trump, maybe voted for him–you certainly DO deal with a compulsive liar, well known to everybody, a slanderer (in Trump who equates white supremacists with their opponents like at Charlottevill) and racists (clearly Trump who accepts kudos from a top Nazi/White Nationalist Duke). Your brain is clearly detached from your post-writing fingers, the ultimate dishonesty from a literate person whose education level makes him eligible to distinguish truth from fiction, fact from bigotry. Look in a mirror and call the one you see a racist, slanderer and liar.

          • ezekiel22

            PFFT! Racists like you prefer the darkness of their lives to poison others. Like the Pharisees you laud yourself deaf and blind to all but your vision of death. There is no difference between you and the Klan. None at all. You still prefer to enslave blacks and others. Stay blind. Good bye!

          • DrBillLemoine

            Again, I repeat, your discernment of ‘race’ is bogus. I don’t get your Pharisee crack. Christ and I both condemn that group.
            Like Trump, your mentor, you can’t distinguish simple motivations and actions of groups or individuals, condemning without any distinctions so obvious to the rest of us. My black friends would be aghast at your comment, spoken from your heart and reflecting your own beliefs, not mine. My post above had no impact on your small mind and ethics/morality system.

          • Kol

            The following was written by fellow climate hawk Tom Perriello. Tom is a Charlottesville native and transitional justice expert who previously served as a congressman and peace negotiator. He recently ran for governor of Virginia as the first signatory of our No Fossil Fuel Money pledge, and we endorsed him. He is currently CEO of WinVirginia, an effort to flip the Virginia House of Delegates in 2017 and reduce the impact of money in American politics. — RL & Brad

            Kol —

            “Heil Trump,” the white supremacists chanted as they marched past me, turning my beloved hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia, into a rallying point for fascists, white supremacists, and their preppy enablers in the so-called alt-right. One side instigated the rally, dubbed it #UniteTheRight, and spent months escalating violent rhetoric. President Donald Trump blamed “many sides.” They rallied to prevent the removal of a Confederate statue. Trump’s nationally televised response—“we must cherish our history”—was heard less as a dog whistle than as a bullhorn.

            Many of the racist ralliers intentionally invoked shocking images from our past, but if leaders, particularly on the right, do not quickly acknowledge the breadth and depth of this crisis, these new images may serve more as harbingers of our future. While Charlottesville played host, most of the pro-hate participants I interviewed came from across the mid-Atlantic and even Midwest. The man suspected of being the driver that plowed through anti-racist protesters was identified as a 20-year-old from Ohio. As for scope, while their numbers were only in the hundreds, a Republican candidate for Virginia governor this year who ran on a neo-Confederate platform and embraced these groups’ calls to protect the monuments came within 1 percent of winning the nomination this summer.

            While much can be debated about the event, a few items were very clear.

            First, this was unequivocally about race, about white tribalism. For the hundreds who rallied, many of them heavily armed, race was the defining issue. No one I talked to mentioned economic anxiety or trade policy. “You will not replace us” was the leading chant, and I was told multiple times that I was clearly a “Jew banker,” “faggot,” or “sellout to my people.” Their signs read “White Lives Matter” and said that Charlottesville’s black vice-mayor “Wes Bellamy is a Nigger.” I have met Trump voters who were not primarily motivated by race—these were not them.

            Second, these guys are enabled by Donald Trump and the politics of Steve Bannon. From the “Heil Trump” chants to the MAGA hats, the participants were clear with me that Trump had made this “our time.” After Trump tweeted that “We ALL must be united,” former KKK grand wizard David Duke responded, “I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.” At this point, Trump appears more beholden to white supremacists than to Putin. Doubt it? Watch the sequence of events on Saturday, from Trump’s relatively presidential tweet condemning the hate, to David Duke’s overt challenge to Trump not to disown the white tribalists who elected him, to Trump’s moral disaster of a press conference in which he refused to condemn or even name white supremacy or domestic terrorism and apparently ad-libbed the most cowardly act of moral relativism of the modern era.

            Third, Saturday showed us a vision of a dystopian future that is the logical extension of our current gun laws. Not just gun ownership but AR-15s. Not just concealed carry but open carry. And not just the right to open carry even long guns but to dress in full military fatigues with accessories (earpieces, vests, insignias) to blur every line between legitimate law enforcement and a fully armed white nationalist militia. I have spent time in multiple conflict zones and still would not have known at a quick glance if bullets started flying which heavily armed men in camouflage and flak jackets represented law and order and which were armed terrorists. Donald Trump, who claims to be the hero of law enforcement, has issued no criticism of those who blur the line between public and private security forces, who blur the most sacred blue line between violence and force. Is there anything more vital of a commander in chief who claims to care about those who serve in uniform than to condemn those who fake the uniform?

            Fourth, it is probably easiest to just start referring to this entire coalition as the modern KKK. Yes, they are fascists and white supremacists, “alt-right” and actual KKK. Yes, they each had a distinct uniform, from the white polo–wearing preppy brigade to the cosplay crowd to the toy-soldier dress-up troops. But they are clearly working as a coordinated unit, just as the Klan did through various periods. The working class generally wore the robes and committed the ugly crimes, while the leadership wore the robes of judges and badges of sheriffs that wielded the real power of ensuring white male supremacy. This network is trying to cross-brand, and the result is an integrated network of white supremacists that collectively constitute the modern Klan.

            Finally, there will be a strong desire to avoid the proximate cause of this rally: how we remember the Civil War. Many moderates on both sides find it distasteful or “agitating” to consider how we memorialize that history. As someone who has worked on transitional justice efforts in a dozen countries, I can tell you that civilized countries have always made deliberate decisions about how to tell their history, who to memorialize, and how that becomes more accurate and informed over time. Do we honor history when we freeze in time a set of memorials largely born out of mythology, largely resurrected in the midst of desegregation (not the war), and largely based on an utterly debunked revisionist history of the Civil War? These critiques of renaming buildings and “protecting” statues are not historically accurate or intellectually honest. They are lazy attempts to avoid the difficult work of correcting the lingering effects of the Dunning School and the Lost Cause myth. It is a failure to understand the new Jim Crow laws that result. It is rendering invisible even today that the majority of human beings in Charlottesville and Albemarle County at the time of the Civil War were black, and it was black Union fighters who were the first to enter Richmond. What this three-month modern Klan campaign should teach those who passively support keeping these monuments is that they serve not as innocent icons of our past but political tools of hate and fear in our present.

            Saturday could be the anomaly or become the norm. This could be coming to a town near you, or our future could be defined by the many solidarity vigils being organized around the country. Our future will be determined by whether we speak honestly about the racial demagoguery of this White House, whether principled conservatives stop enabling the racist and authoritarian policies of the Trump administration, whether we restore the line between force and violence, and whether we have the moral and intellectual courage to engage honestly with our past.

            Langston Hughes famously said, “America never was America to me,/ And yet I swear this oath—/ America will be.” Saturday’s clash in Charlottesville may have lacked the poetry, but it offered the same prophetic challenge of those words. Previous generations sacrificed beyond measure to get us closer to that aspiration. Let’s be perfectly clear that there is only one good way for this story to end, and it isn’t with the the side of death or fear, of hate or of a nostalgia for a cult of racial injustice. It’s the only story there is to tell: of the America that will be.

          • Kol

            David Duke Praises President Trump at White Supremacist Rally …

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            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jhtF_pUbLc

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            Former KKK Leader David Duke Praises President Trump at White … duke said at the VA rally yesterday that …

            Former KKK Leader David Duke Says ‘Of Course’ Trump Voters Are …

            http://www.npr.org/…/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-says-of-course-trump-voters-are-his-vot...

            Aug 5, 2016 – Editor’s note: NPR spoke with former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, who supports Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, …

          • Trixieroselee

            PS, I hope to god you are not still teaching. Our young people deserve to have open minded “teachers” not rigid, dogmatic, ideologs!

          • DrBillLemoine

            You ‘hope to god’ but have not the spirit within you by your comment. Your very statement ignores Christ’s commandment to love one another, including ‘rigid, dogmatic, ideologs’. You also ignore the very essence of public education which takes everybody and stretches them to their potential, including exposure to a wide variety of ‘minds’ so they can think, evaluate and make conclusions for themselves, not follow blindly the minds of their parents, as set forth by most state and local school boards. That’s what children deserve and get except in Trump’s EdSec DeVos’ world.
            I’ll pray for your heart to be opened to the God of most of our nation’s citizens. But you have also not read or understood my thread already. I taught ‘hard’ subjects math and computers which allow little ideology in teaching, simply facts and formulas. And for your benefit, I repeat that my grads were always noted to be above the average. You should invite and applaud such good performance for which I received little recognition over the years, not that any Christian or good teacher waits for plaudits.

          • NM Leon

            You never seem to get it Bullschitte Billy. Republicans, including the chair of the LA Republican Party and President Trump among many others have condemned Duke repeatedly.

        • NM Leon

          Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s. http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan

          You are an ignorant idiot, Bullschitte Billy. It’s scary that you had anything to do with educating children.

        • chw2000

          Bullshite Billy, go suck your thumb for awhile. If you think for a minute I’m going to give you my address or phone number you’re totally nuts! I can tell you this, if you ever where to find out my address and ever came to my home, I would consider you a threat and would act accordingly. You can put your wee little mind around that and let’s see if you can figure it out. You’re a total a$$ hole BullshitteBilly. An ego maniac that doesn’t know his a$$ from a hole in the ground. Doesn’t seem like you have much support here a$$ hole. Probably an indication as to the amount of friends you have away from here. You’re an a$$ hole, accept it!

          • Kol

            The following was written by fellow climate hawk Tom Perriello. Tom is a Charlottesville native and transitional justice expert who previously served as a congressman and peace negotiator. He recently ran for governor of Virginia as the first signatory of our No Fossil Fuel Money pledge, and we endorsed him. He is currently CEO of WinVirginia, an effort to flip the Virginia House of Delegates in 2017 and reduce the impact of money in American politics. — RL & Brad

            Kol —

            “Heil Trump,” the white supremacists chanted as they marched past me, turning my beloved hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia, into a rallying point for fascists, white supremacists, and their preppy enablers in the so-called alt-right. One side instigated the rally, dubbed it #UniteTheRight, and spent months escalating violent rhetoric. President Donald Trump blamed “many sides.” They rallied to prevent the removal of a Confederate statue. Trump’s nationally televised response—“we must cherish our history”—was heard less as a dog whistle than as a bullhorn.

            Many of the racist ralliers intentionally invoked shocking images from our past, but if leaders, particularly on the right, do not quickly acknowledge the breadth and depth of this crisis, these new images may serve more as harbingers of our future. While Charlottesville played host, most of the pro-hate participants I interviewed came from across the mid-Atlantic and even Midwest. The man suspected of being the driver that plowed through anti-racist protesters was identified as a 20-year-old from Ohio. As for scope, while their numbers were only in the hundreds, a Republican candidate for Virginia governor this year who ran on a neo-Confederate platform and embraced these groups’ calls to protect the monuments came within 1 percent of winning the nomination this summer.

            While much can be debated about the event, a few items were very clear.

            First, this was unequivocally about race, about white tribalism. For the hundreds who rallied, many of them heavily armed, race was the defining issue. No one I talked to mentioned economic anxiety or trade policy. “You will not replace us” was the leading chant, and I was told multiple times that I was clearly a “Jew banker,” “faggot,” or “sellout to my people.” Their signs read “White Lives Matter” and said that Charlottesville’s black vice-mayor “Wes Bellamy is a Nigger.” I have met Trump voters who were not primarily motivated by race—these were not them.

            Second, these guys are enabled by Donald Trump and the politics of Steve Bannon. From the “Heil Trump” chants to the MAGA hats, the participants were clear with me that Trump had made this “our time.” After Trump tweeted that “We ALL must be united,” former KKK grand wizard David Duke responded, “I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.” At this point, Trump appears more beholden to white supremacists than to Putin. Doubt it? Watch the sequence of events on Saturday, from Trump’s relatively presidential tweet condemning the hate, to David Duke’s overt challenge to Trump not to disown the white tribalists who elected him, to Trump’s moral disaster of a press conference in which he refused to condemn or even name white supremacy or domestic terrorism and apparently ad-libbed the most cowardly act of moral relativism of the modern era.

            Third, Saturday showed us a vision of a dystopian future that is the logical extension of our current gun laws. Not just gun ownership but AR-15s. Not just concealed carry but open carry. And not just the right to open carry even long guns but to dress in full military fatigues with accessories (earpieces, vests, insignias) to blur every line between legitimate law enforcement and a fully armed white nationalist militia. I have spent time in multiple conflict zones and still would not have known at a quick glance if bullets started flying which heavily armed men in camouflage and flak jackets represented law and order and which were armed terrorists. Donald Trump, who claims to be the hero of law enforcement, has issued no criticism of those who blur the line between public and private security forces, who blur the most sacred blue line between violence and force. Is there anything more vital of a commander in chief who claims to care about those who serve in uniform than to condemn those who fake the uniform?

            Fourth, it is probably easiest to just start referring to this entire coalition as the modern KKK. Yes, they are fascists and white supremacists, “alt-right” and actual KKK. Yes, they each had a distinct uniform, from the white polo–wearing preppy brigade to the cosplay crowd to the toy-soldier dress-up troops. But they are clearly working as a coordinated unit, just as the Klan did through various periods. The working class generally wore the robes and committed the ugly crimes, while the leadership wore the robes of judges and badges of sheriffs that wielded the real power of ensuring white male supremacy. This network is trying to cross-brand, and the result is an integrated network of white supremacists that collectively constitute the modern Klan.

            Finally, there will be a strong desire to avoid the proximate cause of this rally: how we remember the Civil War. Many moderates on both sides find it distasteful or “agitating” to consider how we memorialize that history. As someone who has worked on transitional justice efforts in a dozen countries, I can tell you that civilized countries have always made deliberate decisions about how to tell their history, who to memorialize, and how that becomes more accurate and informed over time. Do we honor history when we freeze in time a set of memorials largely born out of mythology, largely resurrected in the midst of desegregation (not the war), and largely based on an utterly debunked revisionist history of the Civil War? These critiques of renaming buildings and “protecting” statues are not historically accurate or intellectually honest. They are lazy attempts to avoid the difficult work of correcting the lingering effects of the Dunning School and the Lost Cause myth. It is a failure to understand the new Jim Crow laws that result. It is rendering invisible even today that the majority of human beings in Charlottesville and Albemarle County at the time of the Civil War were black, and it was black Union fighters who were the first to enter Richmond. What this three-month modern Klan campaign should teach those who passively support keeping these monuments is that they serve not as innocent icons of our past but political tools of hate and fear in our present.

            Saturday could be the anomaly or become the norm. This could be coming to a town near you, or our future could be defined by the many solidarity vigils being organized around the country. Our future will be determined by whether we speak honestly about the racial demagoguery of this White House, whether principled conservatives stop enabling the racist and authoritarian policies of the Trump administration, whether we restore the line between force and violence, and whether we have the moral and intellectual courage to engage honestly with our past.

            Langston Hughes famously said, “America never was America to me,/ And yet I swear this oath—/ America will be.” Saturday’s clash in Charlottesville may have lacked the poetry, but it offered the same prophetic challenge of those words. Previous generations sacrificed beyond measure to get us closer to that aspiration. Let’s be perfectly clear that there is only one good way for this story to end, and it isn’t with the the side of death or fear, of hate or of a nostalgia for a cult of racial injustice. It’s the only story there is to tell: of the America that will be.

          • chw2000

            Be sure to use your wind powered car when you go to the store. Have fun with that.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Writing in public has standards. For reputation and validity, identity is important. Nobody wants to visit you or other posters. But reliability and truth demand that facts and sources be identifiable. You are totally anonymous and have no credibility for what you say, simply posting in public personal vitriol and hate for your own amusement.
            Also, there are first amendment standards so you can’t just say anything at any time. No shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater, for instance. You violate the spirit and standard of the first, some would say most important, ‘right’ with your cursing. I’m a public figure and accept it as part of the ‘job’. You should know it would not be acceptable in public and you might be flattened in decent society. So we conclude you are part of a tiny minority of radicals who hide behind anonymity, afraid to expose yourself and your thoughts in public which might jeopardize your person. It’s pretty cowardly.

          • chw2000

            phuk you Billybullshitte. You’re so phuking smart, you should be able to find out where i live. Again, show up here and it will be considered a home invasion and I will respond in the manner necessary. Bye bye, BullshitteBilly.

      • Wildflowers52

        EXACTLY! Thank You for knowing the REAL HISTORY! They were all Democrats. The party of intolerance, always was.

    • Frank629

      you billy boy are some really stupid POS.

    • goldie

      Loving words from a true liberal who has “heart”: “It’s called iniquity and your heart is full of it.” Let me give you a quote: “Judge not, lest ye be judged”, Mr. Bleeding Heart. So now loving one’s country (nationalism) is a crime? You’re nuts. The truth will be told – watch and see; it has a way of coming out all by itself. Your liberal dog-days are over.

      • DrBillLemoine

        Don’t confuse ‘judgment’ reserved by God with truth telling which I do based on the evidence you provide in writing. Anybody can read and see what’s in your heart.
        I would never say White Supremacists or Neo-Nazis love their country. They want something that only was in Germany in the 1930s-40s in National Socialism, but not here ever. The KKK loves only it’s demented concept of totalitarianism, are not Americans (evidenced by Duke running off to Russia years ago for solace), and violence for which they were prepared, dressed and aiming yesterday in Charlottesville VA. BTW you could argue that Christ was the ‘liberal’ of his day bucking conservative Pharisees and Sadducees, rousting the moneychangers from His ‘father’s house’ the temple.
        Love is not in your heart, does not come out in writing, doesn’t show in your arguments. I guess if Christ can be liberal, so can I.

        • Rodney Steward

          And BLM even wants a different flag for America, nothing on that!

  • regulus30

    what a predicament the left dumocraps are in; they have fooled the blacks into thinking they are for their cause by giving them FREE STUFF and yet the white supremacists are SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS , aka [KKK].

    • Retired

      Time to vote out dumbocrats from the local level to WDC .

  • tom cook

    The “counter-protestors are vermin; too bad more of them weren’t terminally cleaned-up.

    • Tiger

      This was a legal and peaceful march. The rioters were bused in. They attacked. This would never have been in the news if they had not. The Left and all playing this up as all White Nationalism, they are salivating over it. But they are wrong. All this would end if every news outlet would tell the truth, but then they wouldn’t have any news on it.

      This was Directly the fault of the Radical Left. Here is the story and hope you share it.

      ‘We’re going to start standing up for our history’

      In February, the city council voted to
      remove the Lee statue, but that is on hold pending litigation. The
      council also voted to rename two city parks that had been named for
      Confederate generals; one of those, Emancipation Park, was due to be the
      site of Saturday’s rally.

      What can communities do with Confederate monuments? Here are 3 options

      Jason Kessler, who organized
      Saturday’s “Unite the Right” rally, said he doesn’t consider himself to
      be a white nationalist. But, he said, “we’re going to start standing up
      for our history.”

      “The statue itself is symbolic of a
      lot of larger issues. The primary three issues are preserving history
      against this censorship and revisionism — this political correctness,”
      he told CNN Friday.

      “The second issue is being allowed to
      advocate for your interests as a white person, just like other groups
      are allowed to advocate for their interests politically. And finally,
      this is about free speech. We are simply trying to express ourselves and
      do a demonstration, and the local government has tried to shut us
      down.”

      • Rodney Steward

        And you are so right, if this had been blacks or the BLM burning down towns and looting there would have been very little said! But they jumped all over the terrorist thing with the guy in the car and they won’t do that to a real muslim terrorist only about 2 or 3 weeks later! White people will automatically be called domestic while others are just protesters, and you’re right, this was peaceful till the same bused in thugs used everywhere were brought in! This is our Southern Heritage being destroyed, but they want the African BS to continue!!

        • Tiger

          Matter of fact the Mayor just said on TV that 90% of these rioters were bused in, not from other towns but states. He made it clear. The guy who decided to run people down was not from Va and he was not an anything but nut.

          Now everyone angry cause Trump blamed many people, he was right on. As the truth coming out, Thank God for the Mayor telling the truth, it will be made clear that this was indeed a legal protest that went viral due to the Radical Left. Truth will prevail and once again, an attempt to take out Trump or hurt him has and will fail. The Governor of Va just turned Republican. This won’t fly.

          • Rodney Steward

            LOL, I just seen it also, and as usual my friend, you nailed it!!

          • Kol

            Your “Christianity” is showing again!
            LOL!

          • Rodney Steward

            Well Kol, how you be doing my friend, it seems that you’ve missed me!! 🙂

          • PatriotGal

            Tiger, true, you’re absolutely right; yet, Gov. McAuliffe was the one who said it was the White Supremacists who caused this, when in fact, they had a legal permit for their event. It was the rioters bussed in who destroyed everything and caused the rioting. The media stated the same lie that is was the White Supremacists when, it was not their fault. Why can’t they have the right to say they want the statue of Robert E. Lee to remain? The left wing Demonazis, libtards, lame-stream media, Antifa, Ku Klux Klan, BLM, RINOs want to “shut up” anyone who disagrees with them – as they have done repeatedly at Berkely, in congressional town halls, etc. FASCISM!!

          • Tiger

            The facts speak for themselves and they are hollering out to the nation. I peresonally have put the facts on as many sites as I can along with sending them to my friends overseas. If we all, speak out, continue to tell the truth, on the sites I put the facts up on, youtube video, some were shut off, the video with the comments not to be seen. So keep it up. They will die again with this one. When the investigation is done, like Trump said, they will see that George Soros bused them in, maybe he will be prosecuted under our laws against causing riots and busing people in to participate. Just like the investigations into elecion fraud is really grinding out truth, just read where 3 million plus people on rolls where there are more people than voters across America, it will bring about the change we need to stop the crap.

            They want us dead. They want us dead, how do I know, they tell me so.

            ‘We’re going to start standing up for our history’

            In February, the city council voted to
            remove the Lee statue, but that is on hold pending litigation. The
            council also voted to rename two city parks that had been named for
            Confederate generals; one of those, Emancipation Park, was due to be the
            site of Saturday’s rally.

            Jason Kessler, who organized
            Saturday’s “Unite the Right” rally, said he doesn’t consider himself to
            be a white nationalist. But, he said, “we’re going to start standing up
            for our history.”

            “The statue itself is symbolic of a
            lot of larger issues. The primary three issues are preserving history
            against this censorship and revisionism — this political correctness,”
            he told CNN Friday.

            “The second issue is being allowed to
            advocate for your interests as a white person, just like other groups
            are allowed to advocate for their interests politically. And finally,
            this is about free speech. We are simply trying to express ourselves and
            do a demonstration, and the local government has tried to shut us
            down.”

          • Tiger

            Remember West Virginia Governor just turned Republican and his people will tell the truth. Just in the nick of time to. Seems Trump does have many Guardian Angels, everything these marauding, maniacal, masters of manipulation try something he foils it.

          • goldie

            There are a lot of Christians praying for President Trump; I believe that God is protecting him in response to these prayers. God bless the USA!

          • Tiger

            I agree. It was W. Virginia governor who switched. Interestingly enough the governor of this part of Virginia is not. Now we learn that the 200 who marched originally were wanting to leave when Antifa showed up, the police made them go back the way they came and said, you don’t do it we will arrest you for illegal assembly, that is a lie because the march was legal. So they are going to sue because when going back, the Antifa hit them with water bottles filled with chemicals and urine and they also beat them with the sticks etc.

            It is looking very fishy and a real set-up by the Left bought and paid for by Soros.

          • goldie

            I pray President Trump does investigate this; the truth does have a way of coming out. We’ll keep praying – this IS a religious war.

          • Rodney Steward

            The news is sure pushing all kinds of BS and LIES, none of the BLM terror attacks got this kind of publicity!!!!

          • Retired

            The media will twist it all up and some how blame Trump .

          • Wildflowers52

            Exactly. We aren’t stupid.

          • Tiger

            No we are not and Trump is going to Trump them again. This investigation will show facts and when they come out, watch out Left.

          • Tiger

            Just learned that the 200 marchers were dispersing, they wanted no trouble, the police made them go back the way they came, they asked to leave by the police route. Antifa waiting for them and they had urine and chemicals thrown on them. The police told them if you don’t go back that way we will arrest you for unlawful assembly. That is a lie and they are now suing.

            Sounds really fishy. Sounds like this governor aliegned with Soros and used this to cause problems. It is the governor of W. Virginia who is a Republican now.

          • Rodney Steward

            This Antifa bunch must be dealt with soon!!

          • Wildflowers52

            To me, it sounds like it’s the MAYOR who is the traitor here, not McCauliffe. The MAYOR originally had the police stand down AFTER the bus loads of HATERS arrived.

          • Tiger

            He didn’t do that without the Governor telling him to and we know that. If and when this goes to court these police may find their asses fried for not helping those being attacked.

          • Leslie Woodhull

            hey Tiger, you and I have shared many good posts. I want you to check out Rebekah Roth (pseudonym) on youtube. Flight attendant for 30 years- she discovered the real truth about 911 planes. Listen to her, you reach lots of people. We’ve got to wake America up. We’re almost out of time. ) She wrote 3 books as fiction to protect her family but the facts are REAL. Every pilot I know has said oh my God! She’s RIGHT!!

          • Tiger

            Thank you Leslie, I will look for it when I come back in a few days. I have a sick family member. Will file it and will see what it is about. If like you say I will help get it out there.

          • Rodney Steward

            I want to check it out too, sounds real GOOD!

          • Leslie Woodhull

            Check it out on YouTube. Her first interview was with George Noory.(sp?)

          • Rodney Steward

            Thanks Leslie, will do!! 🙂

          • Leslie Woodhull

            Thanks Tiger. Everything we thought we knew about the planes and the people on the planes was a lie. And there’s way, way more. When I found out I was physically sick. Good wishes for your family member. Speedy recovery! YOU’RE a true PATRIOT, Tiger!

          • Tiger

            Thank you.

          • Tiger
          • Leslie Woodhull

            I KNEW you’d find it!!

          • Tiger

            Leslie you need something just ask me cause I have a huge stockpile of stuff.

          • Leslie Woodhull

            There was no Al Queda-Tim Ossman aka Osama bin Ladin was a CIA asset we used when the Russians were in Afghanistan to create the Mujahadin. He died of kidney failure in Qatar in 2000. Before he passed away he was visited in Qatar by John McCain and someone else whom I cannot remember right now. We created AL Queda-.
            I meant to tell you to listen to her first interview with George Noory if you can find it on YouTube.

          • Tiger

            OK

          • Retired

            Don’t you think the word came from the Governor . Police departments in democrat areas are controlled by Demon Rats .

          • Retired

            Va. governor is a Clinton kiss butt from what I have seen .Why do you think Va. was chosen ??

          • Wildflowers52

            The truth is that the mayor originally told the police to stand down!

          • Tiger

            My guess he was told by the governor to do it. It is going to come out in this investigation.

          • Retired

            Even if it comes out that way it will be swept under the Carpet like so many things the DemoRats have been involved with .

          • Tiger

            After awhile the carpet will be so full of the shit it will have a huge mountain in the middle. More to come I guarantee. Wait and see.

          • Kol

            Crude!

          • Rodney Steward

            You’re our new news channel, keep it coming Tiger! 🙂

          • Tiger

            LLOOOLLL

          • Kol

            That ought to be plenty of fake, Fake, FAKE NEWS!!!
            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

          • Kol

            FAKE NEWS!
            lolololololol!!!

          • Rodney Steward

            Nothing fake about Tiger, Class A woman and very smart and informed, and something I’m pretty sure you’re not use to!! 🙂

          • Kol

            Never saw anything showing that she was “informed” very much at all… but I’m not into conservative and right wing extremist bologna myself. LOLOL!

          • Rodney Steward

            You’re just not into women, PERIOD!! LOL

          • Retired

            That is where most of congress is in the middle of the pile . Yes , we are in some interesting times comming and manny will be very unhappy .

          • Tiger

            I can’t see any end to this. Civil War. My mother died in 1979, she always had predictions and they always came true. Her last prediction was of one last Civil War in America, dark skinned people against whites. She was right. It is coming to a head. Look at who it was that comprised the most vicious of rioters during the campaigns. Illegals, Muslims and blacks. Muslims are loving this. They recruit blacks in prison by the thousands. The blacks too stupid to know the history of Islam and that they were the slave traders, that when they took over N. Africa they enslaved and killed millions. They also don’t know that Muhammad called them raisin heads and said only whites would go to heaven.

            It is coming a huge wave and it is dark.

          • Kol

            Why do anti-Muslim bigots and haters…. and racists… LIE so much??? Deliberate IGNORANCE and you’re disgusting!

          • Retired

            The Black community refuses to except the facts of their history and it is all the White mans fault to them . They should all spend Six month in Africa after High school .

          • Tiger

            They should go back to Africa.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VDLPkq0vE

          • Kol

            ..

          • Wildflowers52

            And it is the governor of WEST VIRGINIA who changed his party affiliation.

          • Tiger

            Exactly and this governor is a Democrat.

          • Retired

            A Clinton kiss A$$ .

          • Retired

            They need to go after who is responsible for the Bussing ,records should show who paid or ordered the trips. Time to go after the bus companies .

          • Tiger

            Soros like always and that is why I am so happy that DOJ on it.

          • Retired

            No one will do anything against him -Obozo or the Clintons .

          • Tiger

            I have a military friend, very high ranking officer, he says that some vet, dying of cancer, will take some action and take out a few bad guys. They have nothing to lose.

          • Kol

            Right wing extremism sick in the head. Typical ex-military mental dysfunction. Anything new? LOLOL!

          • Retired

            I have heard the same thing , as their last duty to the USA .

          • Tiger

            I pray they succeed. I know more but won’t tell it here. OH BOY here come the feds.

          • Retired

            They should go after AKnoLady and the many names she uses .

          • Tiger

            LOLOL they won’t she is on their side.

        • Wildflowers52

          Robert E Lee did a whole lot more than being just a General in the Confederate army, he helped design the canals that united the north and south w Lincoln. The reason why he fought for the south was because his state of Virginia went south and he refused to fight against friends and family. This was a fabulous man!

          • Rodney Steward

            Yes he was a Brilliant man, but didn’t know he helped design the canal, you just taught me something!! 🙂

        • Retired

          It was part of southern history, why is it allowed to be destroyed other than what Obozo started . What is next destroy the liberty bell and the liberty statue and Ellis island ?????

          • Rodney Steward

            Yes it is RT., it’s been on all day long about calling them domestic terrorist, something we kept saying about the BLM thugs that did so much more and worse, burning towns, destroying peoples lives by destroying their businesses, looting, hollering kill pigs and wrap them in a blanket and on and on but the SOB’s are black! I’ve said several times that if the White pople ever done any of this BS that we’d be considered Domestic terrorist, and by God that’s what they’re wanting! It was the Antifa Dem bunch, and some BLM’s that was formed by Obama, Clinton and funded by Soros! They’ve been wanting us to have another civil war so they (GOV) can get involved, guess it’ll get messy as he$$ !! This sux RT.!!

          • goldie

            Anything to wipe out white history – obozo started it, the white-hater.

          • Retired

            Don’t forget about the Clintons who are just as bad giving the store away to minorities .

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