Can GOP govern if they can’t keep a promise they’ve made for 7 years?

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March 26, 2017

Paul RyanWASHINGTON | Republicans exulted in November when they won the White House and both congressional chambers, promising aggressive moves on health care, taxes and immigration.

But a spectacular stumble on the first agenda item amid intra-party squabbles begs the question of whether the party will be able to get anything done if it can’t deliver on a promise it has made for nearly a decade.

“We were a 10-year opposition party, where being against things was easy to do,” said House Speaker Paul Ryan, faced with the biggest loss of his career. “And now in three months’ time we tried to go to a governing party. We will get there, but we weren’t there today.”

Ryan got his job after House Speaker John Boehner stepped down, often pressed by a raucous conservative wing to take a harder line. But though conservative members groused about Ryan’s handling of the legislation – saying he had boxed out various factions, many expressed confidence Friday that he’d retain his seat – for practical reasons, as well as political.

  • mudguy1

    By the GOP not keeping their promises is why they can’t keep the majority in the Senate and House for more than 4 years.

  • NOUNBELIEVER

    remember the Reagan era promise Congress gave us…amnesty now ( 1980s )…fix immigration and seal borders later fix not yet…and borders not sealed…past how many years…everyone filled with lies…Paul Ryan just told us all to go to hell THE NEW WORLD ORDER OF THE ELITES AND the Establishment runs this country and we must shut up or be punished with even morde National debt, more laws, more death of freedom DAMS STOP WATER…AND WE NEED MASSIVE DAMMING OF CONGRESS

  • CharlieSeattle

    Repeal is what Trump said he wanted last year.

    Repeal is what Trump’s supporters wanted last year and this year.

    Will Rino’s support it? …no

    Will Democrat’s support it? …no

    Will Trump support it……this year? …no

  • justinwachin

    The failure of Obamacare lite is a direct reflection of Speaker Ryan’s incompetence. The Speaker didn’t think the Republican nominee had a chance of winning the fall election. When Mr. Trump won the Speaker should have started working on a plan the next day. He should have known that there was going to be some strong demands of his House members. He and the House leadership should have started working on a plan which would win the support of their party.

    The Republican health plan’s failure was not a reflection on President Trump. The plan’s failure was a direct reflection of a House speaker who was too dumb to listen to his own members. RyanCare (ObamaCare lite) died because it failed to account for the flaws in ObamaCare.

    Speaker Ryan was billed as a rising star of the GOP. If the health bill is a sample of his best work, it’s time for him to start looking for another job. If this was an episode of The Apprentice, Speaker Ryan would find himself receiving the well-deserved decree “You’re Fired!!” from Mr. Trump.

  • bygeorge

    The GOP’s Healthcare Debacle
    The debate on who actually broke their promise, the Republican leadership representing big government, world banking and lobbying interests that have made a living off the tax payers for the past several decades, or the conservative freedom caucus? House Speaker Paul Ryan, champion of the status quo, supposedly acting for the President, is responsible for the debacle we just witnessed on the GOP’s failure to repeal Obamacare. Let’s just say they stumbled. Trump wanted to get a bill on his desk so, in a sign of unity, he supported Ryan’s bill (not Tom Prices) and the Freedom caucus did exactly what they promised. They walked away.

    It is a fact that Ryan’s AHCA was an “amendment” and not a repeal and replace bill. Selected parts of Obamacare were targeted for repeal to be replaced by Insurance Companies who clearly had a hand in writing Ryan’s bill following, as they did, the Democrat example of not allowing anyone (Republican legislatures) to see it before it was rolled out with all the hoopla that accompanied it. I wonders it wasn’t a repeal bill at all, just a gimmick to fool us.

    I wrote in a recent essay that the GOP hadn’t realized that the voters, while dumping the Socialist programs the Democrats were foisting on America, also sent a strong signal to Republicans that their ideas were rejected as well. Clearly they didn’t get the message.

    One must ask why Ryan did not include the House Freedom Caucus in the original work up of his AHCA bill instead of keeping it secret like the Democrats did with their Obamacare? That immediately screams chicanery and underhanded plotting to fool the base. It was!

    Conservatives, not pleased over the direction Ryan and the House leadership was going, demanded the AHCA bill be ignored as it was not a market-based ‘repeal and replace’ bill as they promised. It is unimaginable that Ryan would attempt to foist that on Americans who overwhelmingly voted for repeal. Was he hoping perhaps, we would not notice so long as there was the impression that a repeal was actually proceeding? It is equally intolerable that the Republicans now believe they can postpone repealing Obamacare and move on to tax reform. They cannot. Obamacare is a tax, a 14% of the economy’s wealth redistribution thru taxation and it needs to be removed, right now if the Republicans hope to survive next the election.

    Their hangup of course, is entitlements. Karl Marx was wrong. Religion is not the opiate of the working class, entitlements are and until that process of free stuff for everyone is broken (don’t count on it), politicians will forever continue to have total control over our economy, our lives, our property and our futures. Constitutionalists need not apply.

    The main sticking point, they claim, is the folks with pre-existing health issues not being insurable but that’s the nature of life, isn’t it? The answer screams not for more spending on them because it’s unaffordable, but attacking the problems that created the pre-existing issues in the first place. Too many pre-existing health problems are related to unfortunate, individual life style choices. Why must taxpayers bear the burden of their folly? Other programs exist for that and they’re not in the federal government realm of responsibility.

    Right now, the status of the GOP on healthcare reform is a broken promise, an outrageous snub to the free market and main-street conservatism. Big government is apparently still in charge. The welfare subsidization of America with unaffordable health plans paid for by outraged citizens will apparently continue. This is unacceptable and it cannot last.

    If the plan now is that Obamacare will repeal itself when it melts down, then, why do we need Republican legislators at all? The greed that infects all government programs needs to be regulated, along with competition, to restore US leadership and excellence in the industry.

  • Roger

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    He didn’t need this job and he is serving the people for $1.00 per year!

    President, Donald Trump will lead us to prosperity with no help from our former failed President! He has built a cabinet of carefully selected advisors that can only help him make America, safer, stronger, more prosperous and greater than ever before! DONALD TRUMP IS MY PRESIDENT and PRESIDENT for all AMERICANS!

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  • Nancy D

    Mandating insurance is a huge overstep of federal powers. The United States Constitution contains two references to “the General Welfare”, one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause. The U.S. Supreme Court has held the mention of the clause in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution “has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government of the United States or on any of its Departments.” Simply put, the federal government does not have the power to dictate whatever it might decide is good for every citizen. Also, see the writings of James Madison on this issue of general welfare. Our country was founded on the ideal of limited government.

  • parthenon1

    I think you are a little premature in judgment I do believe it was the wrong project to start with, Jobs Economy, Removing regulations, Border control, handling the illegals crisis, attacking ISIS then health care this would have allowed Obama Care to die a full death. Also on Taxes I believe we should use the border tax only on those nations and the products involved that they tax on us. ie., France taxes US wine and lets say that is the largest product taxed then we choose the largest item they sell to us and tax it accordingly! Also I would reduce a one time tax on foreign income to 10% to allow companies to bring the $ home and those that agree to take on a large percentage of these returning $ and invest it in Treasury notes to reduce foreign debt for a reasonable time period these $ SHOULD BE NO TAX!

  • Marine68

    I will not forget that Trump and many of the Republicans of both houses supported this terrible Bill that only amounted to a name change, and I will not vote for any in my sphere of choices at the next couple of elections; if the Nation survives that long.

  • Don Wright

    Republicans can govern if and only if they can become a party of the people and cut their many ties to the Washington “swamp”. If Obamacare cannot be fully repealed and replaced then the misery and destruction that will be leveled against Americans who will be forced to pay the penalties and higher fees will fall squarely on the backs of the democrats. I hope this does not occur because that will create hostility on both sides of the aisle and most importantly despair among Americans forced to continue with their over priced watered down health care. The problems that were so apparent in the “Ryan Care” plan can be fixed and it is essential that the moderates and “rhinos” in the Republican party accept those changes. The bill should be as close to perfection as possible with the bugs worked out. Nothing is perfect but there was too much to fix on that initial proposal to allow it a vote.

  • David Stovall

    1. The Rino establishment was counting on losing to Hillary, so they made no plans for being the winners.and repealing Obamacare.
    2, When Democrats lose they act like winners, when Republicans win they act like the losers.
    3. RINOcare was another big government program full of taxes. We would own RINOcare. And it was doomed to fail also.

    4. The Democrats still own Obamacare. So I think we won.

  • Bill

    Drain the swamp includes getting rid of Ryan and McConnell along with any Congress people that have been milking the system more than 12 years

  • metheoldsarge

    Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare! Not repair it! It was one of the highlights of his campaign. It was second only to the building of the border wall. I believe a lot of the votes for Trump were the result of that promise.

    What he and the RINOs were trying to push is not a repeal. It is a watered down, quick fix, throw together, doctored up, Obamacare band-aid. It has RINO fingerprints all over it. Obamacare should be repealed completely and then develop a replacement. Those 2700 plus pages of Obamacare can hide a lot of land-mines that can be overlooked.

    The republicans were elected and reelected to repeal Obamacare. If the GOP sincerely wanted to repeal Obamacare and bring in something new, they had since November to work on it. There was also eight years they could have had experts working on a replacement that would make sense. They should have repealed Obamacare entirely and then brought in another bill to replace it. They obviously didn’t and I am beginning to believe they had no intention of doing that at all. What happened to the alternative to Obamacare the Republicans claimed to have had back in 2009? I am beginning to suspect that was also a lie.

    If Trump and the GOP keep pushing anything but a repeal of Obamacare, we will have a major promise broken. A lot of voters are not going to be happy. Remember what Bush 41 did back in 1988? Bush 41 said “Read my lips” and we all know the result of that broken promise. The Democrats will have a field day with this. Trump and many Republicans can kiss reelection good-by. The Democrats will regain full power over Congress and the White House by January 2021.

  • snowyriver

    There are No Coincidences in Politics.

  • duncmck

    the solution is a radical perspective change that will take time..the population has been entrained(brainwashed) ..we are getting cancer .we are being poisoned by our food .given way to many useless drugs. the medical community has taken the population hostage by fear and fix paradigms.we have become hypocondriact in our mindsets.the new normal is.health insurance is as important as water and oxygen ..”government come to the rescue” the whole thing is a psych opp of the last thousand years.what better way of turning the population into compliant robots and slaves to the money machine than though the health paradigm..we have the environment scam too.reality really exists with health and environment issues.but? just as i can not experience you experiencing yourself there is an absolute juncture when human beings have to take responsibility for them selves..magic pills -magic people.-magic plans are not going to wake you up in the morning and seize the day with positive energy..SOLUTION? health care is not an inalienable right of the individual..completely DUMP ACA let the market deal with it.put a leash on big pharma phych opps.preventative care.hold on- create create engineer your own perspective on your own health.imo

  • GoldenGirl2u

    The Dems want it to fail because all along they wanted a single payer system and they believe that when Obamacare crashes that they will have no choice but to implement single payer (which is a total government takeover). This would be devastating for our country. They are moving us to Socialism, can’t allow that to happen.

    • Rodney Steward

      Exactly, it was meant to fail just for that purpose, it was the goal of Opey! You Nailed it!!

    • wmagg

      FASCISM
      a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion. [Robert O. Paxton, “The Anatomy of Fascism,” 2004]

      This is the true legacy of o-turd boy and the dems they don’t seek Socialism they seek a total FASCIST nation.

  • randy jackson

    RINO Ryan needs to return to Wisconsin and eat cheese.
    Replace this RETARD-lican with a real American that will Repeal Ovomitcare!

    • metheoldsarge

      To all the voters in Wisconsin. What were you smoking last year that
      made you send RINO Ryan back to Washington? You let yourselves be fooled by this little spurt of conservatism. He was just trying to
      do damage control. You could have replaced him in the State
      Primaries with another Republican. It is my opinion that he just
      went back to being the sniveling RINO he always has been. You voters
      had a golden opportunity to replace him and blew it big time.

      • Retired

        You have to remember he is only elected from the South east corner of the State plus he is close friends with Priebus . So there would not be another republican running . Read up on Priebus and Ryan . There must be something [ non related to health care ] in the ACA that there are so many afraid to repeal it .

    • truthseeker

      Replace him with Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen . His heritage goes back to the Colonial times, something like his 4th Great Grand father was in Office. Rep Kevin McCarthy who was the House Majority Leader and is Twenty years younger then that of Rep. Rodney. Rep. Kevin McCarthy was born on– Jan.26th, 1965 .

      • Retired

        What makes you think the results would be different than Boehner or Ryan . Once you are in the upper club you must dance to the tune you are handed , why do you think Trump is not getting anywhere, lack of backbone for fear of loosing campaign money . Campaign money is ruling WDC .

        • truthseeker

          First of all Retired, I believe that President Trump knows from just watching the News on how both Parties always put in their Pork barrel projects. He wants a Clean bill and the only way to do that is allow people like House Speaker Paul Ryan to show his hand. ” Ryan Care” was added to the bill that would of paid for all of the Illegals to get Health Care and would of been a Magnet for them to continue to enter the U.S. and would of been part of the Vote to get these Swamp Things re-elected. Even though Donald Trump is a Billionaire he was never excepted by the so called: Upper Class. Mar-a Largo is a good example on how the Inner Circle will snub anyone with out bowing to them. Trump shown them that he could fight back and is fighting back for us. That is just what I think. Look we need to have something to look forward to and have some kind of Hope. What do we have to loose ?

          • Retired

            We have a lot to lose as taxpayers, Lets do what the Republicans have claimed for years a Total REPEAL of ACA at the end of 2017 . Get it over with . There must be hidden things in the ACA that they are afraid to abolish it .

          • truthseeker

            It appears that the Republican Party has had Seven years to abolish it and yet it seems it is all new to them. It sounds like they really didn’t have any response to how they could help and just wanted someone to give them something that they could like without having any suggestions of their own. Like this is what we have been wanting and here is what we ourselves of been doing. All I hear is what they did not like to hear and had no suggestion to their side to assist in abolishing Obama Care. A lot had to do with the additional votes they hoped to get with the Illegal Immigrants, since so many people are not voting .

          • Retired

            There must be some hidden garbage in the ACA that both sides are afraid to talk about and the Reason that there is not a total repeal like they claimed to want to do . The other thing it was spring break weekend and everyone wanted to go home .

    • dmttbt

      I was almost a fan of Ryan until this past year. He is not what he wants us to believe.
      How did we ever get illegals drawing off tax payer funds?? Who voted that crap in?

      • Retired

        Don’t be surprised if it was part of the ACA.

      • randy jackson

        Total bullshit if you ask me. Build the wall and deport every single ILLEGAL alien.

        • Roger

          AMEN!

  • John Lock

    The Democrats have become the puss inside an infected boil called Obamacare – very yucky stuff will soon fly all over anyone near a Democrat politician or lobbyist.

  • Webb

    Total Repeal should be the bill but we are aware parts falling under reconciliation would take some Democrats vote…in the Senate
    But there are parts that can be repealed with the nuclear option…Republicans could help the demise of Obamacare by voting down those parts…Hopefully the next time all Republicans can be on board as Promised and Repeal what they can without Democrats!
    ObamaCare Won this Round…Next time Republicans get it right!
    ☆★☆

    • Richard Bagenstose

      but like regan said , government can’t fix the problem , government is the problem, we need to find a new way to throw the bums out

  • Nancy D

    Let the ACA fail. Having “insurance” that doesn’t cover anything until you meet some unreachable deductible is not affordable health care. It was just a way to pay for the medicaid expansion by forcing hard workings Americans to buy something they never get to use.

  • Richard Bagenstose

    if they can’t ,the next election will be here pretty fast , and they will see a house cleaning worse then the democrats got

    • metheoldsarge

      Reminds me of the “Read my lips” promise Bush 41 made in 1988. We all know what happened as a result of that broken promise.

  • itsfun

    The last time we had a Republican House and Senate, they crumpled to the Democrats also. The Republicans that bowed to Nancy will get their dues in the next election. How many times did they vote to repeal Obamacare before they had any power to do so? They have proven they don’t have the guts to do their jobs or fulfill their promises. Obamacare will probably fall under its own weight, but that is not the problem here. The problem is gutless Republicans that wont’ keep their word. Now they are trying to spin their refusal to do as they promised.

    • bobnstuff

      They still don’t have the power to repeal the law. They are short votes in the Senate. The Republicans didn’t win enough seats to control the Senate and can only pass laws that at least eight Democrats will vote for. In this case it wasn’t even the Democrats that stopped them but their own party. As Ryan said it was a lot easier when all they had to do was say no to everything.

      • itsfun

        nuclear option

        • bobnstuff

          If they try it and then loose three seats in the Senate they would then be screwed big time. The Democrats did it for nominations and now wish they hadn’t. I don’t think the Republicans are stupid enough to make that mistake.

          • Rodney Steward

            They won’t loose 3 seats, it’s being said they would gain because the Dem. party is wanting to split away from the far left socialist Pelosi and Warren side that’s killing the party!

          • bobnstuff

            With the approval rate they have right now they could loose a number of seats in the midterms. The party in power lose seats almost every time in the midterms.

          • Rodney Steward

            WOW, they just keep lowering the IQ of the senate!

          • bobnstuff

            They did that when the Republicans took over. These guy could vote yes to vacate a burning building.

          • Rodney Steward

            How can you say that, we don’t have a Maxine Waters or Pelosi that have IQ’s of a dead horse!

          • bobnstuff

            They are still smarter then the present Republicans. With control of both houses and the White House they still can’t get anything done.

          • Rodney Steward

            Not enough blacks, cant use the race card!

          • itsfun

            If the Republicans lose 3 RINO’s that side with Nancy, what is the big loss?

      • Webb

        But they do have the Power to repeal parts of the law…with the nuclear option in the Senate!

        • bobnstuff

          They as of right now can only deal with the part that are connected to the budget, that it.

      • metheoldsarge

        They should try to repeal it anyway. If it doesn’t pass because of the Democrats, they can, at least, show their constituents that they tried.

        • bobnstuff

          They should do what the President has been saying would be done and create the bill that would give everyone insurance that wants it at a price they can afford. Repeal and replace at the same time. Trump promised this.

  • Pete

    Obamacare will die the miserable death it so richly deserves. Now the weight of that demise is squarely on the back of Obama & the Democrat party.
    DON’T fix one single thing about it or the progressive/socialists will blame it all on Trump & the GOP.

    • Ah nutz

      I sure do agree with that….let the dems. get all due credit for this awful obummer care.

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    • truthseeker

      Why isn’t the News reporting about how Speaker of the House Paul Ryan tried to get his “RyanCare” into effect . His plan would make sure Every Illegal would get Health Care at a cost of over 6 Billion dollars.

      • Retired

        Did you read the bill or are you repeating what the media told you ????

    • dmttbt

      Don’t worry they will not fix anything because they do not know how. If you run into someone from Canada ask them how their govt. healthcare system works. They will tell you that you have access to healthcare but you will be dead by the time they call your name. People in Canada were coming to the united states if they could afford the healthcare they needed. I am sorry to inform you but we too have no healthcare now. Oh you can go to a doctor but that doesn’t mean you will get healthcare. I was six months getting a deep skin cancer removed from my leg and they are not through yet. I have a son who was told he would have to wait until September to have his prostate tested and that was a month ago. If he were from outside this country he would get healthcare and it would be paid for by the tax payers. It was never the case that there were 30 million people as obama said that did not have access to health care, they might not have had insurance but they got the healthcare and didn’t pay for it just like they do now.

  • Ralph – Msg Ret

    Obendover care is going to fail under its own weight. Let the free market do its job and keep government from creating “crony medicalism”.

    • dmttbt

      I keep seeing and hearing these people saying Rino and democrat but those two terms are not even in existence anymore if they ever were. They said oh my party is this and my party is that. Have you ever heard a politician tell a lie? Have you ever heard a politician tell the truth????

      • Retired

        They don’t lie ,just twist the truth like the media .

  • Tom

    This is bullshit. They have kept all promises so far. Obama care will be repealed and replaced. It is just a matter of time. It has been only 2 months. They want to get it right unlike you have to pass it to see what’s in it or you can keep your doctor and keep your plan.

    • bobnstuff

      The plan that wasn’t voted on would have taken insurance away from 24 million people so if you thought the ACA took doctors and health plans away this one would have done it on steroids. As far as repeal and replace goes unless the Democrats support the bill it isn’t going to happen. The republicans have know since November that they couldn’t repeal the ACA but they didn’t tell their supporters. Also it looks like no one told the President. So for now if you like your doctor and your plan you get to keep them.

      • Tom

        That is a false primes. 24 million would lose their insurance. When you don’t believe that Obamacare is imploding on it’s own your not facing reality. Some states won’t have a single insurance company and most can’t afford it now. Liberals won’t face reality.

        • bobnstuff

          The ACA will not just go away, if you believe this you need to stop and look at how things really work. Without changes in the law thing will get worse. The law will still be there. Just like the fact that they couldn’t repeal the ACA wasn’t told to you the facts about what is going to happen under the present law is not being talked about in the right wing tabloid media. Now if you want to see the way out of this mess read this piece, it lays it out pretty well.
          http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443779/obmacare-replacement-alternatives-needed-here-are-some-ideas

          • Tom

            We wouldn’t be in this mess if it weren’t for Obama. Unlike the forced Obamacare, they will get it right. The free market with allowing to buy over state lines will work. Socialism never does. You just think it will again. That’s the definition of stupidity. Making the same mistakes over and over again looking for a different result.

          • bobnstuff

            You do know that most insurance companies are national, right. In fact it’s the two biggest that are pulling out of states because they weren’t aloud to merge. Had the Republicans done anything except just say no for the last seven years they could have had a plan in place to fix the problems but after seven years of voting to repeal the law no one bothered to write a replacement for it. You can’t blame Obama for the inaction of the Republicans in congress. You should read the link. It’s worth the time.

          • Webb

            Repeal only…

          • bobnstuff

            I guess you don’t remember what it was like before the ACA. Rates going up even faster and insurance companies being able to control your health coverage and drop you if you used your insurance. Also you miss the fact that they can’t repeal this law with out the Democrats votes.

          • Rodney Steward

            The ACA was set up for the illegals, blacks and the poor, ONLY!!

          • bobnstuff

            Wrong again, they already had health insurance. It was set up for the lower middle class and working people.

          • Rodney Steward

            The part they couldn’t afford, why so many didn’t have it! Did you have to pay for your birth control pills!!

          • bobnstuff

            Like usual you focus on a very little thing instead of those things that really matter. Does you plan pay for Vigra? That one costs more for one pill the birth control costs for two months. It’s a pill designed for all those Trump supporter that have problems.

          • Rodney Steward

            I don’t know, I don’t use Vigra and don’t have a clue what they cost!

          • bobnstuff

            I guess you would need someone willing to have sex with you before you would need it. Most Trump supporters seem to need it though.

          • Rodney Steward

            No problem there Bro., why I was named Rod!! 🙂

          • Retired

            I think that is what bobnstuff needs is a visit from Obama to get the back door shoot opened and clear his few brain cells.

          • Rodney Steward

            LOL, not a cure, but it would have to help him!!

          • Retired

            He is a nut job , that needs some fresh air on his brain cells .

          • Rodney Steward

            He should pay ISIS a visit , they’ll take care of his head problem!

          • Retired

            Not being married you should know about the lack of .

          • Retired

            What does ED have to do with Birth control ??? Birth control is not a health Issue. What did people do before the pill came out in the early sixties ????? More Bullshitsky from bobnstuff troll ..

          • Retired

            It was a tax and welfare program from the IRS .

          • truthseeker

            Your right and the Chief of the IRS is still in power .

          • Edith

            ACA was set up for the illegals. Americans have always had access to medical facilities of some sort.

          • Retired

            The poor already had Medicaid and many states and counties also had programs along with free clinics.

          • Retired

            Rates have been climbing since the late 70s did you forget about how HMOs were going to cut cost ??? None of that happened .Under Your Buddy Bill Clinton it got even worse where it was cheaper to go self insurance something that started in the late 80s..You Just can not get it that every time the Gov. interfears there is a mess

          • Retired

            But you will not get the same policy crossing state line and many time in other parts of the same state , Even the cost varies within states . Anymore Info bobnbullshitsky .

          • Glatik

            Thank you for the link.

          • Retired

            If the House stops the tax and funding it how will it survive along with carriers dropping out .Any more BS you would care to add because that is all you post ???

          • bobnstuff

            The congress choose not to change the bill by not passing H.R. 1628 so the money is still in place.

          • Retired

            I guess now you can not read either anymore ,because you are to busy spinning your brain cells to come up with the next BS story .

        • Retired

          bobnstuff is a anti republican TROLL with a lot of bullshitsky .

      • Rodney Steward

        As usual bobby, you are so full of shi$ !!

        • bobnstuff

          As usual you haven’t a clue about it. The good thing was that enough Republicans did that it didn’t go through. This wasn’t stopped by the Democrats but by the Republicans.

          • Rodney Steward

            True, the Rino’s of the party and on Soros’s payroll!

          • bobnstuff

            So you are calling the Freedom Coalition RINO’s. Very funny.

          • Rodney Steward

            I’m not sure about this bunch now, they agreed twice to the bill and at the last day changed again! I think Trump is smart, leave it as Opeycare right now, the more that goes wrong, it’s still on the clowns!

          • bobnstuff

            They can only blame Obama for so long before people will start to notice that they haven’t done anything to fix it. Seven years and counting waiting for the replacement.

          • Rodney Steward

            FIX WHAT, it’s great remember, you said so! This is the Dems. ball of wax!

          • bobnstuff

            No one said it great but it was better then it was before. The republicans don’t really care if it’s good or bad. The needs of the citizens aren’t as important as the needs of the party and of their donors.

          • Rodney Steward

            Not for me, mine was great, I had a super plan, not now, it even ruined our Hospitals, most of the good doctors quite and now replaced with shi$ that can’t even speak english! The Hospital went from being ranked #5 in the Southeast to # 25 now, thanks to Opeycare!!

          • Retired

            The ACA has effected how the elderly are getting treated and the types of medicine you are allowed . I have Tricare and they have refused 4 different medications since ACA was put in place ,so YES you are right about losing quality .

          • bobnstuff

            To bad for you. We just got another new hospital, about half a mile from the one I had been using. Now I have to choose between five world class hospitals with in 15 miles of my house, If I want to go twenty miles you can add another four. I guess I live in a better neighborhood then you do.

          • Retired

            How do you think the new Hospital got built other than through Insurance money and possible federal Grants .

          • bobnstuff

            It was in fact built with insurance money, all from giving healthcare. It’s a really nice hospital, well staffed. It’s part of UPMC.

          • Retired

            You left out how much federal money was given to them ???

          • bobnstuff

            These people have lots of money to spend. They don’t rely all that much on government funding.

          • Retired

            In other words you don’t know or refuse to tell . There is more than you are willing to accept.

          • bobnstuff
          • Retired

            Where in the constitution does it say the Gov. must take care of the people . If you end up in a nursing home you must spend all of your assets before Medicare pays . You are not even allowed pre paid funeral expenses . Go after the real problem , the insurance industry milking the Tax Payer .

          • bobnstuff

            “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

            I believe we are talking about general welfare here.

          • Retired

            You are I am not . As usual you do not answer because it is not in the Constitution as written . You are a liberal Demon Rat .

          • bobnstuff

            You just proved you are a know nothing big mouth. I guess you have never read the constitution, have you. Try looking at the very first paragraph idiot. It’s the preamble stupid.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution

          • Retired

            There was not even income tax at the time it was written , you are lost in your liberal swamp. Are you one of Soros sons or on his pay roll .

          • bobnstuff

            You can’t be this stupid, who reminds you to breath? One of the main reasons for our constitution was to give the federal government the power to tax.

          • Retired

            No but I know how to play your stupid game of Bullshitsky you present . How many years after the writing did the Federal tax start ???

          • bobnstuff

            1791 Whiskey Tax. 1861 First income tax but the income tax as we know it was 1913.

          • Nancy D

            The United States Constitution contains two references to “the General Welfare”, one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause. The U.S. Supreme Court has held the mention of the clause in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution “has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government of the United States or on any of its Departments.” Simply put, the federal government does not have the power to dictate whatever it might decide is good for every citizen. Also, see the writings of James Madison on this issue of general welfare. Our country was founded on the ideal that government should be limited.

          • bobnstuff

            Jefferson and Hamilton had different views then those put forth by Madison. The courts have taken Hamilton’s view as a rule when deciding things. As informative as they are the Federalist Papers are not the end all and be all of the thoughts of our founding fathers.

            https://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/art1frag29_user.html

            http://illinoisconservative.com/Jefferson/TJ-06-16-1817.html

          • Nancy D

            And neither are you, the be all and end all to interpret their thoughts no matter how many links you post.. The general welfare was never meant to mean whatever congress says it means. The phrase was still to be limited by the founding fathers’ belief in a small federal government.

          • bobnstuff

            I think I will take TJ’s side on this one since the SCOTUS has in the past.

          • Retired

            Nancy >>> bobnstuff is a liberal troll that claims to be republican .

          • Retired

            Why Blame Obama it was Bush , remember hearing that for 8 years by your favorite media that has you Brainwashed .

          • bobnstuff

            You can blame the high cost of your drugs on Bush 43 thanks to the Medicare drug expansion.

          • Retired

            Here you go again with your BS , with making drugs more available for people to buy them should lower the price because of more sales than before . Why don’t you address the real problem to much Gov. control and involvement . Why do you think drug manufacturers went off shore ??? We in the US pay double of other countries for the same drug ,WHY IS THAT .

          • bobnstuff

            Who controls drug prices, even when selling to the government. I will give you a clue it’s not the government thanks to good old GW. The government by law can’t negotiate what they pay for drugs. That’s why they are so much cheaper in Canada. Once again you showed how little you know.

          • Retired

            I was not referring to Canada . We were paying twice the price way back before GW was eve thought of . So here again you are posting BS and no fact . You keep forgetting how much campaign money is laundered to the political parties from the drug manufacturers. Just like the Clinton Foundation got its money .

          • bobnstuff

            Once again you are talking about things you know nothing about. It was GW that give the drug companies a blank check. Go look it up if you can.

          • Retired

            Why were drugs twice the cost in the US Before GW ??? Why don’t you answer a simple question .You have no knowledge what goes on outside the US or foreign contacts going back that far .

          • bobnstuff

            http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bush-vows-veto-of-medicare-drug-price-negotiations
            Our government can not negotiate drug prices unlike every other government. It’s a republican gift to the drug companies.

          • Retired

            I am talking about the days before everything went crazy and you are talking about now . Other countries are not subsidizing drugs . Thank your democrat friends for the high cost .

          • bobnstuff

            It started under Bush 43, 2005. In 2007 the Democrats tried to change it but were blocked by the Republicans. I sent you a link but once again you didn’t read it.

          • Retired

            You are the hard headed one not listening , we were paying twice what other counties paid way before bush was even thought of. Go back to the 70s . It is evident you were never out of the country just like you were never in the service but you know it all.

          • bobnstuff

            I would like some proof of that fact because I could find no supporting evidence. I can find some facts on how drug companies profits have sky rocketed.

          • Retired

            The proof was what I paid out of country and what the US price was .But since you never left the country you would not know .Plus I am not talking Canada .

          • Retired

            It’s a non profit with big salaries .

          • Retired

            I think our troll is part of the Soros family or on the payroll .

          • Retired

            Because they all wanted to head home on Friday for spring break , you must have been sleeping when that was brought out .Some had left early so there was no sense in bringing it to the floor .

          • bobnstuff

            The bill is dead as it should be. It’s not dead because the house members let town, they left town because the bill was killed and there was no reason to stay.

          • Retired

            That shows how little you know , many ad things and meetings planned back home for Saturday . evidently you do not keep up on your elected .It was spring break .That is why it was pulled because they wanted to be home .

      • the whistler

        The Plan that wasn’t passed did not take away 1 insurance policy from anyone…it was projected that 24 million would CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE INSURANCE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PENALTY ( ie MANDATE)…choosing to not buy insurance is not the same as having it yanked from you!!! Actually you do not necessarily get to keep your Doctor ( many continue to opt out of medicaid …which is the’poor mans’ obutthole care) And you will not necessarily have your plan because many insurance carriers are dropping out of exchanges and the plans keep getting more expensive with higher deductibles….So in actuality you get whoever is left to treat you and pay for whatever plan you can afford!! By the way the CBO estimates for Obutthole Care were and continue to be garbage!!!

      • Retired

        Did you read the bill or are you quoting the media fake news ???

        • bobnstuff

          I did in fact wade through it, did you. If you want to give it a try here’s the link.
          https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628/text?r=16

          • Retired

            The bill said 24 Million people would lose insurance ????

          • bobnstuff
          • Retired

            And whose people were involved with the CBO other than Obamas left overs .

          • bobnstuff

            You are truly clueless. You don’t even know what or who the CBO is. Go look it up or keep making a fool of yourself.

          • Retired

            Wrong again , they are people that supported Obama and Clinton .

          • bobnstuff

            You really like talking out your back side don’t you. This is a congressional tool and has nothing to do with the White House. The present head is a republican.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_Office

          • Retired

            You forget how many republicans supported Clinton . It is still their opinion without facts and guessing . Something that you can not grasp . We Could have WW3 by fall and everything would be out the window or you could fall out of bed and hit your head to knock some sense into you .

    • Retired

      It needs to be repealed at the end of 2017, there is no reason to replace it Pass a law that Insurance can not use past health problems against people .Allow insurance to be transferable across state lines .

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