Colorado Supreme Court declines to hear gay wedding cake case

by Bradford Richardson  |  published on April 25, 2016

The Colorado Supreme Court on Monday refused to review Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Craig, a case featuring a religious wedding cake baker who was punished for declining to service a same-sex wedding celebration.

Alliance Defending Freedom senior counsel Jeremy Tedesco, who represents Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips, said the firm is “evaluating all legal options” in the case.

“We asked the Colorado Supreme Court to take this case to ensure that government understands that its duty is to protect people’s freedom to follow their beliefs personally and professionally, not force them to violate those beliefs as the price of earning a living,” Mr. Tedesco said in a press release.

“Jack, who has happily served people of all backgrounds for years, simply exercised the long-cherished American freedom to decline to use his artistic talents to promote a message and event with which he disagrees, and that freedom should not be placed in jeopardy for anyone,” he said.

Mr. Phillips in 2012 declined to service the wedding celebration of same-sex couple David Mullins and Charlie Craig. The couple planned to marry in Massachusetts — as same-sex marriage did not become legal in Colorado until 2014 — and then hold a celebration with family and friends in Colorado.

  • Pam

    Private business is just that, private.
    The government has ABSOLUTELY NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO TELL A PRIVATE BUSINESS WHOM THEY CAN OR CANNOT SERVE. And if we didn’t have so many ideologues on the bench, the first time one of these cases came up, the judge should have said, “no case, because the Constitution does not allow for government to have a say in this” Also, when they tried to sue civilly, the first claimant should have been told, “you have no standing for damages as you could have easily found another baker, florist, etc.”
    Years ago it was common to see signs in all types of businesses that read:
    “We reserve the right to refuse anyone for any reason”.
    It is only the rampant, rabid “PC police” culture that has worked with corrupt lawyers to make these things issues. These are the new “ambulance chasers” of the legal world.

  • of course they refused to hear it. They don’t want to come right out and say “freedom of speech” is dead.

  • Grim Reaper

    I would pay for the Gay couple their family and friends to go publicly celebrate their Gay wedding in Iran, or Saudi Arabia.

  • Anthony

    that was cruel, cruel, cruel, they deserve to at least gotten a Corn Bread muffin

  • justinwachin

    The first amendment seems to the U.S. Constitution seems to grant us freedom to practice our religion according to the dictates of our heart. Hopefully Alliance Defending Freedom will take this to federal court. As we have seen on countless cases before, state law doesn’t override federal law. If the state supreme court is unwilling to do the right thing it may be time to let this case make its way through the federal system. We are in a time where people of faith are going to have to ignore their beliefs or face persecution from a host of local/state/federal laws. Now is the time to ask the federal court system to uphold our First Amendment rights to freedom of religion.

    • AKLady

      Employment is not practice of religion.

      • justinwachin

        It is if you own the business.

        I run a freelance consulting business on the side. I reject clients who represent causes I do not support. I do not feel that I should be forced to use my God-given talents toward a cause which runs counter to what the Bible teaches. I’m polite but I decline their business. From the standpoint of the client, they are better off getting their services from someone who has no problem with their cause.

        From a practical standpoint, I’m using my tools, my time and my talents. It really isn’t the government’s place to tell me who will receive my personalized service. Forced servitude was abolished 150 years ago.

        • AKLady

          I suggest you learn the meaning of “public”.
          Yolur business does not serve the public.

          • E Swisher

            And, I am sure that “justinwachin” really does not want, nor need your business.

          • justinwachin

            You’re correct, E Swisher. I reject more business opportunities than I accept. I paid off my house a long time ago and I have decided I don’t need to be working all the time. I take more time to enjoy the fruit of my labors.

          • E Swisher

            I am happy for you to be fortunate enough to be in that position. Nice to see that someone’s hard work paid off and they can enjoy it. That is becoming harder and harder to do nowadays.

          • justinwachin

            My business serves the public and does rather well financially off that service. In the end I run the business, not the government and not a social agenda.

            I’m sure there are plenty of other people willing to handle the clients and causes I take a pass on. I pay my taxes each year on every dollar I earn. Beyond paying taxes and not engaging in illegal activity it really isn’t a government bureaucrat’s business how I run my business.

            If the baker doesn’t want to make a wedding cake for a gay couple that’s his right. Slavery was outlawed in the 1860s. I’m sure the gay couple was able to find someone who was more than happy to take their money and decorate their cake.

  • Maggietish

    Religious freedom is not just our God-given right it is the law of the land. This business owner had a right to exercise their religious beliefs. The Owner/Baker didn’t refuse to sell them a cake but he did refuse to use his talents in making the kind of cake they wanted that would go against his religious beliefs. There were plenty of other bakers that this couple could have gone to but instead they chose to sue this Baker. This is still a free nation and we all have the right to choose how we live our lives and how we choose to believe. Just because this couple chose to make an issue out of it because the Baker didn’t agree to make the sexually explicit cake they wanted doesn’t mean that the Baker was wrong. He has rights to. It has cost thousands of dollars in the court system to get this entire thing settled and rectified. The State Supreme Court’s decision to refuse to listen to this case is an absolute atrocity. That’s their job and that’s what they’re supposed to do. They are not supposed to write the law they’re supposed to interpret it. They should all be removed and the State should get true representation on the State Supreme Court that serves and represent all of the people.

    • AKLady

      You have no right to force your religious beliefs upon others.

      If you do not want to serve the public, do not accept a job that requires you to do so.

      Businesses that serve the public may not discriminate –period, end of discussaion. Religious freedom has nothing to do with the issue.

      • Luke

        But you have the right to force your perverted lifestyle down the bakers throat, is that about right..
        You know nothing about freedom or the constitution, or America for that matter..

        • AKLady

          You needs a better education.
          Gender and sexuality variations are not perversions or lifestyled.
          Your ignorance is highly objectionable and insuting to all intellegent, informed members of the human race.

          • Luke

            If you buy into this pervert trash lifestyle you’re neither educated or intelligent, you’re just a tool of evil..
            When you splinter the true version of human with variations of your own making then that is perverting the human race

          • AKLady

            Religion, the scourge of mankind.

            You do not get to force your religious beliefs upon others.

            You need a better education. Homo sapien sapien is an mammal of the Order Primate.

            The gender/sexual variations to which we are speaking occur accrues the entire Kingdom Animalia

          • E Swisher

            You are stating that you are an animal… Homo Sapiens are above the rest of the animal kingdom….go back to the jungle if that is where you are happiest. Won’t break my heart….LOL

          • AKLady

            Homo sapiens sapiens is not “above” anything.
            In fact, there are creatures with much larger brains..
            .
            Save your insults for someone yu can impress with your ignorance. hate and bigotry.

          • Luke

            No one is trying to force decency upon you perverts, it is you who are trying to force your filth upon the decent.
            You are the one in need of an education and stop lying..

          • AKLady

            Why do you assume things not in evidence?
            I have a very good education.
            I am a very normal, well-educated, heterosexual grandmother.

          • Luke

            Then act like it..

          • AKLady

            Act like what?
            Another religious bigot?

          • Luke

            I believe “Bigot” is a better description of you, I have nothing to be bigoted about

          • AKLady

            Keep those insults coming.
            They say more about you that I ever could.

          • E Swisher

            You…LOL…definitely just showed your own ignorance and lack of education …. “You needs a better education” …is grammatically incorrect and shows the rest of us about how ignorant you are…. I’m still laughing my ass off… just a minute… I have to pick it, my ass, back off the floor.

          • AKLady

            You needs to learn the difference between a typographical error and grammar.

          • E Swisher

            It is very apparent that your grammar skills are lacking….. “You needs to learn the difference….” is grammatically incorrect… should read ” You (need) to learn the difference.
            You claim to be a highly educated (retired) surgeon….this (being a surgeon) is highly unlikely… I have written quite a few research papers and you obviously are a touch ignorant….

          • AKLady

            What are you going on about?
            Making up more lies.

      • Mike N

        How is refusing to provide a cake with decorations contrary to your religious beliefs forcing your beliefs on someone? Re your reply to Luke if you believe in the bible sodomy is a perversion and an abomination to God. Sodomy is not an alternative lifestyle as you would suggest. I guess if you are not a believer in the bible anything goes.

        • AKLady

          Religous beliefs were written by man, for man. Religion is simply another layer of power and control. I’ll accept factual science over mythology, any day.

          Humans aren’t the only species that has same-sex pairings. Male homosexuality has been docu,ented in 1,400 species.

          Studies on twins have established that homosexuality is more common in identical (monozygotic) twins than in non-identical (dizygotic) twins.

          Studies clearly indicate that male homosexiality is directly influenced by DNA “markers,” or genetic signatures, at a region near the end of the long arm of the X chromosome designated Xq28.

          Studies also document DNA differences in the mothers of homosexual men. I it has been demonstrated that the female relatives of homosexual men have more children on average than women who do not have homosexual relatives.
          .

          • Mike N

            I gather you don’t believe in a superior being that created the universe. There is no way that man came through evolution. Everything is dependent on something else. Humans need plants. Plants need bees etc.. Each species has it’s special means of procreation. There is no way the balance of nature could happen by chance because everything would have to happen at the same time for everyone to exist. There is no way that I cannot believe in a creator. Why create if you don’t want to be known. The bible is the only book that starts from the beginning. Yes, it was written by man, but man inspired by God.
            I see that you are private. I want to be open because I believe it gives me more credibility. I have a WEB page that is open to anyone. I am not ashamed of my stance and thus don’t want it hidden.

          • AKLady2015

            I did not say one word about any “superior being”.
            On the other hand, I spoke to religion.
            There are hundreds, if not thousands of religions.
            There are as many, if not more, gods.
            All of which are supported bvy mythology in one form or another.

          • Mike N

            You did not saying anything about superior being, but you did say religious beliefs (reference the bible) were written by man. I was just trying to explain why I believe in the bible

          • AKLady2015

            The Bible was written by man.
            It was also mostly handed down orally.

            Moreover, the majority of the Old Testament appears in many cultures. Genesis is straight out of pre-existing pagan cultures.

          • Mike N

            We are on different paths. I prefer to find the peace and happiness in believing that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that salvation is the gift we get in believing in him. I am at peace with that.

          • AKLady2015

            “The second icomandment is “‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.…” Matthew 22:39

      • grandmary42

        It is freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion!

        • AKLady

          Freedom not to believe as you do is part of that Constitutional right.
          Sorry, you do not get to force your r eligion on other people.
          Please don’t come back with the Christian nation nonsense.

          • E Swisher

            You are more than welcome to immigrate to the Middle East… they will just love your hate for the United States and US Constitution.

          • AKLady

            You are the only one here who is suppirting Constitutional violations. Suggest you take a Constitutional Law course.

          • E Swisher

            As a matter of fact… I am well educated, have taken several law courses (civil, criminal, liability, business, and workers comp law…and have had the life experiences to go along with them)…. next comment please.

          • AKLady

            You have either forgotten a great deal or failed the classes.

            I have cases cited in the law books of five states.
            Those pro se cases changed law in Alaska.
            In addition, those cases are cited by WC Courts.
            Those cases are also used as teaching material at three very prestigious law schools.

          • E Swisher

            I was a 4.0 student…. Taking a quote out of context or putting a “spin” on a quote to justify “your” point of view does yourself an injustice. Apparently you are well read (per se) but a high school debate team would tear you up in a heartbeat……next comment please.

          • AKLady

            If you had the legal knowledge you claim to have, you would know my identity by this point in the conversation.

          • E Swisher

            For one, when I live in the Mid-West (Central Time) and the (time-stamp) for your comment is one hour later, you are living in somewhere under (Eastern Time)… as in the East coast. If in fact you were posting from Alaska, the “time-stamp” would be a couple hours (earlier than Central Time). As for your Identity, you have not demonstrated anything in your comments to indicate who you are…. When someone lies, tries to mislead, etc., they tend to trip themselves up… something that you do on a regular basis. I have only known 3 people from Alaska… and you are definitely not one of them.

          • AKLady

            I live just outside Anchorage, Alaska.
            The time stamp on my outgoing mail is 9:52 PM.
            Why do you lie?

          • E Swisher

            Not on my computer it did not…. Lying is for a left wing liberal democrats (and I am not either of the three). I do not lie…and those that do have to remember the lie that that told…unfortunately for them, they tend to “out” themselves.

          • AKLady

            You might want to check out the time stamps right here on this site before your dig yourself in any deeper.

          • E Swisher

            I just did… and, again…the time stamp is one (1`) hour ahead of me…as in the post (your post) was made at 3:02 a.m…. it was 2:02 a,m. here in the Kansas City, Missouri area….again, that would put you in Eastern Daylight Savings Time… facts are as they are.
            As for digging deeper…you are well past that point.

          • AKLady

            You are lying.
            The question is why do you feel the need to lie?

          • AKLady

            Your lie is published for the world to see.
            It is obvious to eveyone who reads this board.

          • AKLady

            Save it for someone you can impress with senseless lies.

            I am not oen of them.

            The people on this site are not easily fooled by the likes of you.

          • E Swisher

            It is very apparent you are speaking of yourself…and no, we on this site are not fooled by you, recognizing BS is BS. Where do you really live and what do you, (really) do for a living?

          • AKLady

            I tested out of AS, Charter Oak College, State of Connecticut.
            I tested out of BS, Charter Oak College, State of Connecticut
            M.D. Uniformed Services University of Health Sciences (5.0).

            MBA, Cardinal Stritch College, Wisconsin.

            CEU – U.S.D.A. Graduate School.
            CEU – University of South Carolina, School of Medicine
            CEU – University of Alaska — Fairbanks
            I am a retired surgeon.

          • E Swisher

            Well, you would have been better off taking the classes… you might have actually learned something. Ever hear of the saying about someone being “book smart”, but not having any common sense. A doctor’s pedigree does not impress me a bit… it is their “bedside manner and compassion ” that makes a real doctor. As you have demonstrated, surgeons (some, not all) tend to be arrogant asses…. and you have confirmed and reconfirmed that observation.

          • E Swisher

            (Pro se) translates to “being represented by yourself”…. Are you saying that (you) have cases cited…as if you were the party who represented yourself (pro se) in 5 states… which is highly doubtful, to say the least…. or are you saying that you are citing the cases of (other’s) who filed legal briefs on their own behalf…. Big difference,… REAL big difference.

          • AKLady

            Courts cite cases that take place in other jurisdictions.
            Courts in five states have cited my Alaska cases.

          • E Swisher

            You forgot one thing… actually several things:
            I have the Freedom to not believe as you do… as part of “that Constitutional right. 2) Sorry… you do not get to force (YOUR religion/ or lack thereof) on other people, to include myself 3) as for (your) third comment, please go back to school and learn American history…

          • AKLady

            The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was “not in any sense founded on the Christian religion” (see the image on the right). This was not an idle statement meant to satisfy muslims– they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.

          • E Swisher

            I see that you are under Eastern Daylight Savings Time, which indicates to me that you live (possibly on the east coast?). One reason that I respond to your ludicrous comments is to provide an intelligent response to your absurd comments using the critical thinking that I was taught in high school, college and the military. It is so easy to throw out a comment out of ignorance, and be ignorant enough to think that everybody thinks as you do, just because you said it…then condemn another person because you do not feel that the other party has the same rights as you do.

          • AKLady

            Far from it. I live near Anchorage, Alaska.
            Simply another of your mistakes documented by facts.

            You are way off base, The quotes cited above invalidate evry statement you have made.

            Save your insults for someone who is ignorant enough to be impressed by them. You are low on both fact and skill.

          • AKLady

            “The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.” — Thomas Jefferson letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822

          • AKLady

            “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.” — Jefferson’s letter to John Adams, April 11 1823

          • AKLady

            “The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian Religion.” 1797, The Treaty of Tripoli, initiated by President Washington, signed by President John Adams, and approved by the Senate of the United States

          • AKLady

            “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
            ~~ George Washingron letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

          • E Swisher

            Do you really comprehend what George Washington stated in this letter….? Spiritual Tyranny and religious persecution is exactly what you are espousing…LOL Again… please immigrate to the Middle East… you have very similar beliefs.

          • AKLady

            “When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, ’tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” Benjamin Franklin

          • AKLady

            “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” James Madison

          • AKLady

            “[I]n politics as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.”

            “The [president] has no particle of spiritual jurisdiction.”

            Alexander Hamilton

      • ADRoberts

        You are an irrational bigot.

        • AKLady

          Save your ujnsults for someone you can impress.
          I am not one of them.

          • ADRoberts

            That says much more about YOU than me. And you are still irrational
            Your contention is that only NON Christians should be allowed to work in the government since we are OBVIOUSLY supportive of perverts having priority and precedent in all things government.
            Got that.
            So you contend the brand new “rights” of perverts immedialely nullifies and voids the religious freedoms and rights of the VAST majority.
            Get it?
            No. That is where the “BIGOT” part comes in.
            Let me guess. You are one of them. And you want to silence all those religious who simply say that you are breaking the laws of God and nature. LOL And how silly of those religious people, They don’t want you to have total control of their children to indoctrinate them into your perversion.
            Yes, I GOT you. i KNOW who you are. And so does God.

          • AKLady

            Hate and bigotry on display for the world to see.
            Ignorance on display for the world to see.
            .
            Genetics prove your religion in anything but Christian.

          • ADRoberts

            And you just showed how little education you have. What does genetics have to do with anything here. I know. Just a chance for you to make an irrational smear that is absolutely irrational.
            There is no hate. There is no bigotry. Now I have something for you. There is a place in the Bible where JESUS says what those who are HIS followers will do. And it does not make exceptions, or allow for it to be just a few or any other restriction. IF you are a believer in Jesus Christ you are REQUIRED to do what Jesus said in John 14:12.
            Now you can spout all you want to about bigotry, hate and genetics. But until YOU DO what Jesus said, you are NOT a Christian. But then, I seem to remember that you never claimed to be one, did you.

          • AKLady2015

            I have really bad news for you — man wrote the Bible. It was also men who decided what would be included in the Bible — thirteen Catholic Bishops at Nicea in 325 AD.

          • ADRoberts

            I get it. YOu believe that God does not work through MEN. Maybe you would have been more receptive had it been written by women. LOL
            Now I have bad news for you. I am smarter than you. And I know that the HISTORY of the Bible, the contention by those who do their best to discredit it by claiming that it surely has changed over years of translation and copying MUST be so bad that we can discredit it totally.
            NOT SO. God is still God. And I know you don’t understand his power, majesty and awesome nature. But as God, He is able to make sure that the message of love He wants to send is where it can be heard by the world.
            And by the way. The Bible says that before the END, the Gospel will be preached to the WHOLE world. And our church, a little unknown holiness group called Nazarenes are doing that right now. It seems a group called CAMPUS CRUSADE FOR CHRIST made a video called “The Jesus Film” back in the 90’s. It got passed into most homes in America by a bunch of churches. But along the way, CCFC came to the Nazarenes and offered a few hundred copies. But they had to know WHERE it was to be shown so they could get the right language. And then God started to open doors. Magnificant miracles. And we have shown it in Pakistan, Thailand, the top of the Andes, the highland of Madagascar. and it is still going.
            Now you can pretend to discount the Bible. But know this. God IS God and he is fulfilling His PLAN.
            And by the way. Those “Catholic” bishops were a LOT different from the catholic church of today. They were most likely real godly men who were doing God’s will and not on an agenda like this present pope.

          • AKLady2015

            ..Freedom on religion includes your not trying to force your religion upon me.

          • ADRoberts

            Here it is. Over centuries, God has prepared a plan for HIS love to reach to us.
            Initially his plan was for a sacrifice of a lamb once a year for sins. But it did not do a single thing to change the nature of man to sin. So He sent HIS SON, Jesus to be a sacrifice. And since sin is inherited, Jesus was NOT total man but born of a virgin. He is and was God/man. And that means he was without sin. And since sin brings death, and he had NO SIN, he was never going to die. So HIS DEATH was not for His own sins and thereby it WAS voluntary and was for OUR SINS..
            And just like the lamb in the O.T. all we have to do is put our hands, figuratively on HIM and say, “This is my sacrifice for my sins:”. Same words they used in the O.T. But this has a special provision. IF we accept HIM as our Savior, we also can avail ourselves of the Holy Spirit, which comes at our invitation, after we have DIED to self, and cleanses our SIN NATURE.
            We become WWJD completely.
            Now you could have found all of that in the Bible. But probably, from what you have said, you don’t read the Bible since you don’t believe it is from God.
            You want forgiveness and relationship with God? It is up to you.

          • AKLady2015

            Freedom on religion includes your not trying to force your religion upon me.

      • E Swisher

        Okay, then…. why are these homosexuals not going a Muslim bakery…and I am sure the “gay/unhappy” community could find one if they really wanted to?… why not support the “gay” community and patronize a “gay” bakery?…and I am very sure one could be found. They “gay” community has defeated their own arguments about discrimination by (only) targeting shop owners with Christian beliefs, knowingly discriminating against the baker’s religious beliefs and to deny a Christian of his Constitutional Rights. THERE IS NOT ONE CASE WHERE A “GAY” COUPLE WENT TO A MUSLIM BAKER THAT I AM AWARE OF….WHICH DEMONSTRATES AN ONGOING CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE A CHRISTIAN’S RIGHTS PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION…..

        • AKLady

          Muslem bakery?
          You mean the myth put out there by Rush — the liar — Limbaugh?

          • E Swisher

            Everybody…. it has been more than apparent that AKLady is a troll provocateur…possibly paid by the far left/ Soros/ HilLiary and their ilk.
            To prove my point, if someone is interested in the truth, Google “muslim bakeries”.

          • AKLady

            Thank you.
            You have proven my point,
            much better than I evere could have.

      • Maggietish

        Religious freedom has everything to do with the issue. No one is forcing their religious beliefs on anyone but we do have the right to exercise our religious beliefs. If people choose not to believe, that is there right. But we also have the right to believe the way we want to and to live our lives by faith. That’s called religious freedom. The only people who are being discriminated upon are those people with religious beliefs. Just because someone doesn’t believe doesn’t mean that they can force their opinion on us. We have rights too.

        • AKLady

          Then open a private, member only business.
          Otherwise, you will be breaking the law.

          Depending on the offense and where your business is located, disacrimiantion could result in a fine, or even loss of your business license.

          I strongly suggst that you consult an attorney before acting out your so-called religious rights in a public business.

      • Harvey Thomas Creech

        You’re full of it and always will be. First the bakers, florists, photographers that turned down business from gay couples didn’t “accept a job that requires them to serve anybody and everybody,” They created their own businesses, went through all of the hoops to do so, and should be able to run their businesses without government iinterfering by telling them what they have to do at every step. The only exceptions as I see is health inspections if one serves food and drink and following OSHA guidelines. Secondly, different cities and states have different rules and regulations governing what businessmen can and cannot do. There’s not one set of rules and regs coming from D.C. Thirdly, for government to sett all of the rules and regs for every private business in the USA is tyrannical at the least and totitilarinism(excuse the spelling)at its worst. Do you really want to live in a country where our government from local to Federal controls nearly everything one does and continually squelches our constitutional rights, e.g., 1st, 2nd, 4th. I sure don’t You need to think about your positions a lot more and not follow the ‘progressive’, PC, freedom-denying crowd.

        • AKLady2015

          Talk to a lawyer.
          Your are erroneous on all counts.
          .
          If yoi wish to discriminate,
          open a membership only club.

          • Harvey Thomas Creech

            I suppose you’ve talked to lawyers about the matter. Are they any way affiliated with the ACLU and the HRC? Remember in any legal proceeding/litigation there are two side. The way I see it Christian bakers, florists, and photographers have just as much a right to defend their faith against those who would impose their values on them, forcing the bakers, florists, etc. to violate their faith and values to appease those who demand service when they can go down the street and find a business that would serve them. What do you think a gay baker would do if a Christian came in the bakery and ‘demanded’ that the gay baker bake a cake saying that marriage is only between a man and a woman. The gay baker would be up in arms and want to sue the Christian for trying to intimidate him. Liberals like you can’t see the other side of the picture because they want things to go their way without interference by those pesky Christians. That’s when the bullying and name-calling, firings, suits, etc. occur. And don’t think for one instance that the LGBT crowd can’t and won’t discriminate against conservative Christians, Jews, and maybe Muslims(maybe not Muslims since they are a ‘protected class’ like LGBTQ people.) I think if you are a reasonable person, you can see the validity of my(at least some of)points.

          • AKLady2015

            Serving the public has nothing, whatsoever, to do with defending one’s religious faith.

            Next some “religious” will decide to refuse to bake a cake for someone who eats meat on Friday.

            Or, yet another one will refuse to check out a grocery customer who buys pork.

            Then there will be the extremist who insists all businesses must close on Sunday. Another religious group will come along and require everything be closed on Saturday. Yet another group will require alcohol be banned … pork banned … And on, and on, and on …

            If you want to live in a country that permits such discriminatory actions, move to Iran.

            Muslims are not a protected class.
            LGBT are not a protected class.

          • Harvey Thomas Creech

            You really know how to go to extremes to make your case, don’t you. And I see from reading other posts from people that disagree with you, that you are a provocateur, i.e., one who likes to provoke trouble. you are also fond of ‘straw man’ arguments. Making statements that you know are provocative to those of a more conservative and religious bent and, when they respond to your statements, calling them bigots or worse. That is not an admirable quality; neither is your arrogance and bringing up your education and credentials( I looked at the colleges that you claim to have degrees from and I’ve never heard of any one of them). You are nothing but a raging atheist/agnostic who wants a purging of all those who don’t buy your radical extremism. And the replies to your liberal crap seems to be 10 – 1 against you. I’ve yet to see any postings supporting you. I wish you would just get off the Internet, or am I a bigot for saying that?

          • AKLady2015

            Charter Oak State College is a public liberal arts college in New Britain, Connecticut. The college was founded in 1973 by the Connecticut Legislature and offers associate, baccalaureate, and master’s degrees.

            Address: 55 Paul Manafort Dr, New Britain, CT 06053
            Enrollment: 2,637 (2011)

            Phone: (860) 515-3800

            Founded: 1973

          • AKLady2015

            The Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences is a health science university run by the U.S. federal government. The primary mission of the school is to prepare graduates for service to the U.S. at home and abroad in the medical corps. Wikipedia
            Address: 4301 Jones Bridge Rd, Bethesda, MD 20814
            President: Charles L. Rice
            Enrollment: 681 (2011)
            Phone: (800) 515-5257
            Founded: 1972

          • AKLady2015

            Cardinal Stritch University, formerly referred to as Cardinal Stritch College, is a private Roman Catholic university located in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The university also offers courses in Brookfield, Wisconsin; Madison, Wisconsin; and has outreach programs throughout Wisconsin. Wikipedia
            Address: 6801 N Yates Rd, Milwaukee, WI 53217
            Enrollment: 5,842 (2010)
            Founded: 1937

          • AKLady2015

            Graduate School USA, formerly referred to as the Graduate School, USDA, is a private non-profit educational institution headquartered in Washington, DC with regional campuses around the United States.
            Address: 600 Maryland Ave SW, Washington, DC 20024
            Founded: 1921
            Phone: (202) 314-3300

          • AKLady2015

            University of South Carolina School of Medicine  

            Address: 6311 Garners Ferry Rd, Columbia, SC 29209
            Phone:(803) 216-3300

          • AKLady2015

            The University of Alaska Fairbanks is a public research university in Fairbanks, Alaska, United States. It is a flagship campus of the University of Alaska System. Wikipedia
            Address: 505 N Chandalar Dr, Fairbanks, AK 99775
            Mascot: Nanook
            Phone: (907) 474-7500
            Enrollment: 11,149 (2011)
            Parent organization: University of Alaska system

          • AKLady2015

            If you do not like my posts, do not read them.

          • Harvey Thomas Creech

            as far as your posts are concerned, it’s hard to avoid them as they are ubiquitous on this site. And I am prone to replying to BS and PC statements in order to refute them and/or point out what I see are errors, even grammatical and spelling errors which indicates sloppiness and not caring to edit/proofread what one writes. I’ll admit to being sucked in by your provocative PC, liberal, and anti-religious viewpoints to be insulted by you in reply posts. I’m wondering, at the end of the day, if you believe all of your rants. Or do you just like to provoke people who have differing opinions? If you posted these things on FB, you might get shut down(although it’s usually conservative folks comments about same-sex marriage, LGBT issues, and religious liberty concerns that get shut down). At least Disqus allows you(and others like you) to say nasty and provocative things, upholding our 1st Amendment right of free speech.I will no longer take the bait, as you would like + you can’t concede that any of my points and the points of others who disagree with you are valid.

  • Kanawah

    If you run a business, serving the public, it is your job to serve ALL of the public, not just the ones you approve of. The cake shop is in the business of selling baked goods to the public, not just the members of the public that follows their mythological beliefs.

    • elda

      and he was willing to sell them a cake. He was not willing to use his artistic talents to support something that was not even legal at the time in Colorado. If someone goes into a silk screening shop owned by blacks and asks for KKK supporting tee shirts to be printed should they be forced to print them? Would the KKK members be able to sue for hundreds of thousands of dollars and close the print shop down for declining?

      • AKLady

        If it is a business serving thw public, the answer is yes to both questions.

        If you do not want to serve thw public, do not go into a business that does.

        • Luke

          if you want a pervert cake go to a bakers who’ll put a pecker on it for you..

          • AKLady

            Grow up.
            Get an education.

            Are you so insecure in your sexuality, that you have inclinations which you find frightening?

          • elda

            Nice projecting…..not that I agree with Luke’s tactics, I do agree with his principals.

          • AKLady

            Principals — hogwash.

            Education and science are far more reliable than cult beliefs.

          • elda

            Ah….now I see where you are coming from. That explains even more. Education and science are nothing more than beliefs.

          • AKLady

            Really?
            Show me a valid, repeatable experiment that documents religious belief.

          • elda

            Show me valid, repeatable scientific proof it is not real. I have witnessed things science will never be able to explain. It really does not matter to me because my faith is all I need. I am witness to God’s existence every day and in all places even in science.

          • AKLady

            What has that to do with forcing your belief upon others?

        • elda

          So what you are saying is that people that live by religious principals should live those principals all hours except the hours of the day they are open for business. I say homosexual issues are exactly the same as religious issues. They are not physical issues but belief issues. Homosexual and transgender is not race, or disability or sex. It is all about a person’s beliefs. Now it is forcing people that do not agree to be compelled to agree with someone else’s beliefs. Now one group has power over the other because it hurts their feelings.

          • AKLady

            You can say that until the day you die.

            The “big lie” was a faorite in 1930s-1940s Germany.
            The “big lie” seems to be a favorite among some religious cults.

            Homosexuality is not a belief. It occurs accross the entire Kingdom Amalia.

            Like it or not, homo sapien sapien is an animal, goverened by gentics and chemicals. Your sexuality is created by the chemicals your developing brain is exposeds to in your mother’s uterus.

    • itsfun

      I would just make my bakery a private club and only allow members to purchase my product. I would choose my members.

    • gerald Hughes

      Dec 2014-a poll showed that 11.4% of the people thought their state should secede from the union
      Dec 2015, same poll showed that, 23.9% of the people thought that their state should secede from the union.
      You liberal dem bloodsuckers/ your pervert familiars/and the bent genders have about 2 years, that number should reach 65% to 70% of the people.
      At that point, we will close off the borders on our states and station volunteer marksmen at the borders, shoot anyhting crossing illegally.
      Then, we will kick back and applaud as you liberal garbage starve to death.

      • Ken says

        Hey you have a plan there – ever thought of going to the Mexican Border and training until you secede?

        • gerald Hughes

          Yes, I have communicated with the governors of Arizona, NM and Texas encouraging them to ask for volunteers to help them seal their border.

    • mytrbilbo

      That is idiotic libtard speak at best.
      His “job” is to support his family with the profit if his trade and to enjoy his life and celbrate his freedoms in America. Nothing more…
      Do painter take every job?
      No…and no one asks why as is their right.
      To live n prosper running his business as he choses is his RIGHT.
      It is not YOUR RIGHT to demand ine damn thing of ANYbusiness.
      The adage of all service businesses since Roman timed hss been..and still is..”We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”.
      Even you.

      • Ken says

        We reserve……. If you use that line you had better be basing it on health and safety of your customers. If you have a business license that is not restrictive – you are open to serve the public. If you want to select who your customers are get a license like Costco, Sam’s Club, BJ’s & private organizations. Sometimes it’s smart not to be dumb.

        • mytrbilbo

          Pontificating irrelevant information to divert from your lack of working knowledge on the subject is simply so perfectly TROLL left. well done.
          You make my point.

          • Ken says

            What are you? A dumb baker that thinks their business license is just another piece of paper to hang in your shop. Idiots that troll on these sites aren’t big on facts and the law. It’s time to start draining the swamp and you will probably be caught in the swirl around the drain – enjoy the ride.

          • mytrbilbo

            Dumb azzes like you who lack even a fundamental working knowledge of business law or better yet civil business licensing are exactly the fodder of brain dead progressives who think that ‘permit’ somehow empowers them to infringe on personal liberties or specifically dictate religious and personal freedom rights in the free exercise of commercial exchange.
            It doesn’t.
            If you were even close to literate on the subject we’d share with you why the Supreme Court already affirmed the a prioi of Right vs License in Dodgson vs Kennelton, October, 2015.
            BUT…. I didn’t men to hurt your vacuous skull with FACTS.
            Stop embarrassing your self.
            The Constitution wins…. NOT Progressive utopian desires.
            Don’t cry now

          • Ken says

            Good try BoBo – you are about as relevant as BoBo our __resident in the White House and equally bubbling over with feces. You must be smoking a whole bunch of the “stuff” CO has legalized – as we see it screws up you head. Good try to make yourself appear lawful and intelligent – but Fact Check says there is no such case on record.

            Emabrrassing – yes the Religious Zealots and Bigots are embarrassing to Conservatives – they try to ride on the coat tail of Conservatives in order to have some relevance. You appear to be one on them. Whether you like it or not the Constitution and Bill of Rights WINS. It is there for ALL Citizens. No Citizen needs your approval and most would not want it. Your Bible and the Constitution are two different documents – you have freedom to practice your religious Choice and don’t forget there are over 400 recognized Religions in the USA to choose from. That freedom goes as far as it interferes with another Citizens choice. Get a grip and join us in DC Friday to celebrate as President Trump moves into the White House. Have a good week – I know I will….BTW take a grade school grammar course and learn how to use spell check on you pc.

          • Ken says

            The only point you have is your finger in your nose or is that just the top of your head?

    • Myrtle Linder

      Are you saying a business has no rights to limit their output??When I buy something I buy what is available. If they don’t have what I am looking for, I go somewhere else to shop,if I don’t like the article I leave it there!! makes sense to me!!! I give the makers the right to their standards, something that liberals know nothing about!!! This work with food that I buy, also. I buy what is available. I believe that forcing your way is evil! We all make our choices, even the liberals, their will is to first the conservative the conservative in their molds, no matter haw much work it may take. I would never ask anyone to make something that they would be ashamed to have their name on, this is cruel and evil

      I do not think that is because thy want it made differently, all together but that, it is about forcing their will on the conservative, an evil thing that the anti-CHRIST have going in full force.

    • AKLady

      Exactly.

    • Luke

      Why not you’re trying to get the bakers to follow your pathetic view

    • E Swisher

      And you have the legal right to boycott and go somewhere else…

    • E Swisher

      You know… when people go out of their way to pick a fight, they should not be surprised, nor have the right to complain when they get there A$$ kicked… kind of reminds me of the Bully that pushes someone too far and the person being bullied thumps the bully a good one…then the bully goes crying home to his momma. It really breaks my heart when I see this happen.

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