Conservative army bolsters Trump on tax cuts

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October 16, 2017

trumpdonald3taxreform_101117gettyConservative groups are going all out to help President Trump and congressional Republicans get a tax-reform bill across the finish line.

Unlike with health care, outside right-leaning groups are united in their support of the GOP tax plan. They believe that unity will help reassure Republican lawmakers when they eventually cast votes on a bill.

“Buy-in from free-market groups and conservative groups is extremely important,” said Jason Pye, vice president of legislative affairs for FreedomWorks.

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) urged conservatives on Thursday to push back against criticisms of the tax plan from liberals and lobbyists.

 

70 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • dmttbt says:

    We seem to forget who writes and has written the tax laws. The fact that there are people who pay no tax and bitch about the very rich not paying enough will continue until we find a better way. Flat tax for everyone.

  • dmttbt says:

    When they say the conservative republicans are on Trump’s side on the tax system are they sure there are any conservative republicans? If someone is a conservative it doesn’t mean they have to be labeled as anything else. The American people had better get use to a better idea, like we don’t have to choose republican or democrat, we can choose independents or tea party or no party at all. What politicians say and what they do is 2 different things. When Juan Williams on Fox was asked about Obama saying the 9.6 trillion dollar deficit was unacceptable and then it went straight up after his elections, Juan Williams stated ” Obama said that during a campaign so you know you can’t hold them to things they claim in a campaign.”

  • duncmck says:

    start comprehending the concept of redistribution of wealth. it goes further ..redistribution of integrity/honor/perception/intelligence/..what is this the borg collective sh&t ? I Qs have dropped dramatically ..intelligence sanctioned now is syntax and posturing..we are great because we LOVE to created and yearn for self determination..goes way beyond ideology..this is about the art of living and consciousness. the vampires are a symptom of engineered apathy by the vampires themselves..their blood is power. money=control=taxation for redistribution rather than benevolent charity.

  • John E. Olsen says:

    Even GOD only requested a 10% Tithe. Politicians of every stripe, mostly Socialist Democrat’s, will never be satisfied until they suck the working people and those that provide jobs dry in their transparent attempts to buy the votes of those who don’t work or pay taxes. Why do you think the percentage of people below the “so called” poverty level keeps increasing. A good number don’t take jobs so they can continue to qualify for the government bribes. Sad, Sad.

    ‘so called

  • Wingedgodd3ss says:

    It’s way past time for tax cuts for corporations. Most leave the us bc the taxes they have to pay are way too high. Time to bring businesses back along with the money in offshore accounts.

    1. dmttbt says:

      We should have a flat tax and do away with the deductions. If I make 1,000.00 and pay 10% that is $100.00 if I make $100,000.00 and pay 10% that is $10,000.00. That is possibly too high for the rate but it is certainly fair as opposed to the mess we have now. We have politicians who always say they are going to fix that problem but instead it just gets worse.

      1. Wingedgodd3ss says:

        I think a consumption tax would be better. If you buy a boat and 8 cars you get taxed… that would also solve issues of people here illegally- they would also pay on whatever they buy.

        1. dmttbt says:

          I don’t like the consumption tax because if I were making a million dollars a year that does not mean that I would go out and buy six cars or anything else of that nature especially knowing it would cause me to pay a high tax. The big money makers would just hold their money or spend it outside this country. That would not be good for our economy.

          1. Wingedgodd3ss says:

            That is a good point-but I think regular wealthy people would buy expensive clothing jewelry etc in the country. The super rich will always be able to evade taxes bc they have the money to….

  • bobnstuff says:

    Conservative groups funded by the people who will get the large tax cuts are supporting it. What a surprise. Why would there be millions spent pushing these cuts? Don’t get me wrong, I’m for a overhaul of the tax system. It has to many giveaways and isn’t fair to a lot of people but what I’m seeing so far is just another gift to the ultra rich.

    1. granvillea says:

      Once again you simply mistake the facts. Letting people keep more of what they earn is not a ‘giveaway’. That is when you take things the productive earn and give it to people who are not productive or to government workers (although I guess that is a redundancy in reality). Where do you get the assumption that some portion of my earnings belong to the government, they don’t at least to the extent that taxes are utilized to provide anything other than for the National Defense.

      1. gvette says:

        Remember, Bob failed at most things he’s ever done!

        1. dmttbt says:

          Bob wants to say the right thing, he just can’t bring himself to admit when he is wrong and that is pretty much all the time.

      2. dmttbt says:

        I will only disagree with you on one part and that is the part that government workers don’t work. They do work and they do pay taxes. Their work might be almost unproductive but that is not the fault of the worker.

        1. granvillea says:

          In many cases it is the fault of the worker. In some cases it is not, but I would argue that this is the exception rather than the rule.

          1. dmttbt says:

            Regardless of if they work or not they do pay taxes. At some point in time it was determined that there was work to be done and they hired someone to do it. If w are going to argue the efficiency of the government I give up. That is a very lengthy subject that nobody wins. That is why I say why in the hell would anyone think it is a good idea for the government to be involved with healthcare.

      3. bobnstuff says:

        So the military is non productive, that’s where more of our tax dollars go, not to the poor. Have you never looked at our government spending. Also you need to look at what the top earning corporations in this country actually pay. The top 250 companies in the country pay 20% right now and 56 of those companies pay no taxes. The people that need the tax cuts are the middle class and the small businesses.

        1. granvillea says:

          If you noticed the only clearly Constitutional purpose for the federal Government is to provide for the common defense. This does not include the many federal agencies that now have usurped police powers that were explicitly reserved to the states.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

            I think that just about covers everthing our federal government does.

          2. dmttbt says:

            Now Bob you are talking about the union of the states and the separation from England and not how much people pay in taxes I am pretty sure we had not even started an income tax system which was temporary and has like other temporary things lasted forever.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Do you know why we have our present constitution? It’s so the federal government can collect taxes.

            The 16th amendment was passed in 1913 long after the civil war, in fact many southern states were the first to ratify. Once again the federal government needed a source of funds to do what the people demanded they do.

            Constitutional amendments are never for temporary things.

        2. granvillea says:

          Once again you throw out the canard that Businesses or Corporations “Pay Taxes”, they do not, they simply collect taxes from individuals through higher prices (with a mark-up by the way for their “after-tax profits”. This and sales taxes are how you tax the poorest American at the highest rates.

        3. Retired says:

          Actually If they printed what the military gets and where the rest of the money goes people would be in shock . Your friends in Crystal City would cry like babies if the truth came out . Aren’t you the one taking advantage of the ACA ????

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Yes I went to the market place for one year and found out how much my employer had been ripping me off on my health insurance. If you can get government benefits and don’t your are foolish. I have paid enough in taxes that I will never get back even a tenth is personal services. I’m not complaining but I will take what is offered. Our President agrees with this thinking except he has complained. Oh and they do print where our money goes. They also print where next years money goes, it’s called a budget.

          2. Retired says:

            No never heard of the budget , but it really does not tell who milks the most off of the military budget .

        4. Wingedgodd3ss says:

          Churches should be responsible for giving to the poor-charity should never be mandated.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            The churches don’t have the resources to talk care of all the poor. I guess you are one of those people who believe we should punish the poor for being born to the wrong parents in the wrong neighborhood or without the gifts to make it.

          2. Wingedgodd3ss says:

            I don’t think the poor should be punished and neither should successful people. I believe the churches can provide what the poor “needs”. But I may have a different idea of what needs are vs wants…

          3. Wingedgodd3ss says:

            Bob,looking at the first three.
            You’ve covered a lot of issues. I did not look at your first three links but I did look at your last link. Since I did read your last link I won’t be looking at the first three. Yes church attendance in traditional denominations is down. But non denomination churches are growing. People in the US rally when disaster strikes and should be allowed the opportunity to help those in need. Big gov proponents purposely took charity away from churches to move power from churches to gov. Don’t bother trying to dispute bc it’s true. Your last link was so slanted it was ridiculous. But I will address some points. You can look up a factual link regarding immigration and welfare at http://www.migrationpolicy.com. While illegals ar not legally allowed tanfpbenefits there are more programs than I can name that give benefits to people from other
            countries.

      4. bobnstuff says:

        We need tax reform so everyone pays there fair share. How much you pay in taxes shouldn’t be determent by how good your accountant and lawyers is. As far as part of your earning belonging to the government, do you want a military, police protection, roads, schools, or any other government services then you owe the government that provides those things. If you don’t feel you do then get out of the country now. Your knowledge of our federal government seems to have come from Rush and Glen, two uneducated entertainers.

        1. granvillea says:

          No, I don’t want unConstitutional Police Powers of the Federal Government, Roads, Schools and virtually all other “Government services are properly provided by the States, Counties of Municipalities and the Federal Government has no business in any of them.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            The services you say the federal government shouldn’t be involved our founding fathers got the central government involved in in the first place. Between interstate commerce and national defense you have cover just about all federal programs. The reason we have our federal government is to provide service.

          2. Retired says:

            No it is to empty your wallet !!!

        2. granvillea says:

          I’ve got a better idea take your hand, backed by police powers unconstitutionally granted to the Federal Government through bizarre twists and turns the “Commerce Cause”, out of my pocket.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            OK just stop using the services and they can,but the reason we have the constitution we do is so the government can put its hand in your pocket.

            “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States,
            and without regard to any census or enumeration.”
            16th Amendment

            The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States….
            Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

            So the income tax is legal and the congress spending on general welfare of the nation is legal.

          2. Retired says:

            And that all came after the Constitution was written , government add on to

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Article I is part of the main body of the constitution. That means it was not an add on.

          4. Retired says:

            I believe in the beginning they received no salaries as there was no federal tax unless the states paid something .

          5. bobnstuff says:

            That’s never been how it worked.

            https://usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

          6. Retired says:

            You did not show how much and when they received a salary nor when Federal taxes started .

          7. bobnstuff says:

            What are you talking about?

          8. Retired says:

            Typical BS bobnbullshitsky answer .

          9. bobnstuff says:

            No, I can’t seem to follow your post. Who receiving salary?

          10. Retired says:

            Time to back up and re read instead of coming up with more BS .

        3. Retired says:

          Government employee Unions are the biggest burden on the taxpayer and the worst of the bunch is the Educators .

          1. bobnstuff says:

            If it wasn’t for the teachers unions teachers would be making less then people working at McD’s.

          2. Retired says:

            You are full of it , they get paid a year what cops make who put their life on the line ,work weekends and holidays . Teachers have more than three month off a year . Don’t come up with their fairy tail stories of prep time . I have lived most of my life where teachers were in the neighborhood. The Bottom first year elementary is around $25,000.00 now add the almost free health care and retirement . Tell me how many Hrs. does a Mc. worker have to work to get that ?????

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Boy are you behind the times if you think you could live on $25,000 per year. These people have degrees and are making so little they can get food stamps if they have a family. They put eight hours in at school then more hours at home doing lesson plans and grading papers. Most have to get Masters to keep their jobs.

            Three of my children have taught school so I know what I’m talking about. If you want a job teaching school I can hook you up. As far as what we pay police officers, it’s a sin. Even though there job isn’t as dangerous as people are made to believe they are still grossly under paid. My nieces husband has twenty years in working as a cop for local forces and still doesn’t make the average wage for the country. We don’t value the important jobs but pay millions to people to play games.

          4. Retired says:

            Comprehension is not your best is it , you think what happens in your area is the perfect place in the USA . A single person fresh out of college getting 25K and almost free health care and pension is not entitled to food stamps . You are a typical Democrat coming in with other BS .

    2. Rodney Steward says:

      A Gift is 150 Billion in all forms of untraceable cash to Iran!!

      1. WhiteFalcon says:

        You got that right, and you can bet your bottom dollar that Ovomit got something in return from Iran.

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          EXACTLY!!!!!!!

      2. dmttbt says:

        I also can’t figure out why the govt. is having trouble figuring out the bad part and the good part. I haven’t heard from John Kerry on this decision to throw out the deal he was so proud of. I want to know how much money he made off the ran deal.

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          I have a feeling the WHOLE Obama clan got big money from this scam!!

      3. bobnstuff says:

        And we know this was untraceable how? We know where almost all of it went if you bother to check. Iran owed a bunch of money to countries like China, Russian and France. A very large chunk went there. But you would only know that if you bothered to check facts.

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          Forget France, they’re broke, Obama gave them CASH in 5 different forms, even GOLD and SLIVER, other than our cash, the Euro, one one of the sand countries money what ever it was! So I’m looking forward to seeing your facts from some far left sight, bring it on! Here’s mine https://www.gatestoneinstit

    3. dmttbt says:

      The people who will get the large cuts are the people who pay the largest amount of taxes while the rest of the people who get on government programs for assistance in dwellings health, food, and welfare bitch and moan about the high taxes and they don’t pay any.
      What good is a tax credit to people who don’t pay taxes??

      1. bobnstuff says:

        The people that work the hardest and get nothing are to ones coming out on the short end, the $50,000 to $100,000. They are working on other ways to screw the working poor. This isn’t tax reform, it’s just more redistribution of wealth to the 1%.

        1. dmttbt says:

          Why didn’t during eight years of Obama didn’t we see tax reform? Why do we always hear tax reform during campaigns but then nothing happens. That has been happening for at least 50 years.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Lets see all tax legislation must begin in the House and the republicans had the house for all but the first two years and in those years they were saving the economy and passing healthcare legislation. For almost seven years now nothing much has happened that’s thanks to the controlling party in congress.

    4. Retired says:

      You forget about all the Rich Democrats ,starting with people like Soros and Pelosi , there are a lot more than you think .

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Who is spending millions to get this tax cut? Follow the money.

        1. Retired says:

          Start with the head of Chase Bank , You are a media sucker . I know a lot of rich Democrats and some are politicians milking the system . Check out your neighbor Bloomberg – Soros then go to Ca. for Pelosi – Feinstein – Goldberg and most of Hollywood .Then look at all you Kneeling friends in sports making millions . Is that enough for starts for you , all good Demon Rats like you . You claim to be rich , are you saying that you do NOT use the Tax code to your advantage ????

          1. Retired says:

            Why don’t you answer the Question ?? I gave you a list and you come back with left wing media BS that writes fake news ,WHY ??? Typical Democrat answering .

          2. bobnstuff says:

            None of those people are spending money to support tax cuts for the rich.

          3. Retired says:

            bobnbull >>>> So you are saying they wont like the tax cuts including yourself , go ahead and give me something to laugh about ???? How do you know it is not Pac money that politicians depend on ??? What you are saying is Democrats do not like tax cuts !!!!

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