Democratic Senator Acknowledges Russia did not determine outcome of Election

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August 5, 2017

Congress_Democrats_78101.jpg-0b789_c0-0-3430-1999_s885x516Sen. Ben Cardin said Friday that there is “no question” Russia attempt to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, but acknowledged they did not determine the outcome.

“There is no question that Russia tried to influence our election,” Mr. Cardin, Maryland Democrat, said on CNN. “That is now well established. They tried to influence the election in favor of [President] Trump.”

“There were many connections between Russia and representatives of the Trump campaign,” he added. “The investigations taking place are going to give us some of those answers.”

When asked if he believed Russia rigged the outcome of the election for Mr. Trump, Mr. Cardin said “no.”

  • Tiger

    Don’t know how many times Clapper has to say it, or anyone else. But then folks as long as the Main Media won’t tell it, Progressives, all of congress won’t admit it, truth is a lie and a lie is the truth what difference does it make?

  • Rodney Steward

    This is nothing but a scam by the Clinton FBI Gang of 12, all Dems., all donated to the Clinton campaign, and Mueller and his bathroom sweetheart Comey are determined to find something if they have to go back 20 years which is illegal as he$$ on what they’re supposed to be doing!! But Trump has stepped on the toes of the super elite of the NWO, CLIMATE CHANGE, THE UN/EU and the rest of the clown that think they can have their real life Hunger Games! So in the mean time they’re playing the game of (Thongs) with all the perverts into this child prostitution and the famed Orgy Island that old Billy-Blob Clinton loves so much along with several congressmen and senators!

  • Joann Holmes

    Then why all the investigations ,because they want to oust Donald Trump from the presidency.

  • Mike N

    There is also no question that Obama interfered in the Israel election.

  • nokabosh

    Given the obvious criminal activity by Obama,Hillary, and their operatives it boggles the mind that Trump is being investigated for an alleged activity. This is opposition smear politics at its worse meant to undermine the president and his agenda for which he was elected.

    • Retired

      That has been going on since the day he announced that I am running for President .

  • Stephen Serafin

    If Mueller is such a stand up guy that everybody claims, his secretive investigation will lead back to the Democrats. The multi-million dollar question is : If the evidence points to the Dems, will he have the guts to pursue it or will he fold and say there is nothing here, or will he continue to fabricate a fake case against President Trump? The Democrats are always about Defuse and Deflect; which means they are already guilty of doing it or have already done it.

  • American Me

    There is something wrong with this.Why would a Democrat come out and say this.It seems like this would make him very unpopular among Democrats since they are using the Russia thing to try to railroad President Trump.I just don’t buy it.Maybe I’m to suspicious,but this it out of the norm for Dems.Why is he defending the President?
    We all know President Trump did not collude with the Russians.If he had they would have found the evidence by now.I just don’t trust Democrats.They don’t do anything unless it serves them.SO WHY?????

  • Roy Fredrichsen

    The Democrats accuses Trump of colluding with Russia but have not offered any evidence. There is plenty of evidence to prove the Democrats not only colluded with the Russians and sold them 20% of our uranium 238 which can only be used in making Atomic bombs.Somebody will be going to prison over that one soon. The O’Bama Democrats are about to experience the boomerang effect when the investigations into their Russian collusion begins.

  • Christopher Riddle

    While I agree(in part)with Cardin,Why would Pootie-Poot want Trump when he had HildeBeast in his”Hip Pocket”?????

  • metheoldsarge

    The only reason all this is going on is just because Trump is not a game player. Even is he did, he wouldn’t the first to try it.

    In 1983 Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to collude with Soviet General Sec. Yuri Andropov, by letter to try to undermine the 1984 reelection of Ronald Reagan. He also sent Senator John Tunney on 15 trips to Russian to negotiate with the Russians. As it turned out the KGB didn’t want to work with him. No charges of any crime were ever filed. If that isn’t treason, I don’t know what is. Democrats, Liberals, Liberal Media and RINOs don’t wan to talk about that.

    In 1999 President Clinton gave missile technology to China. They now have pinpoint capability which could possibly also be in North Korean hands. Another thing Democrats, Liberals, the Liberal Media and RINOs don’t want to talk about.

    Can you say D-O-U-B-L-E S-T-A-N-D-A-R-D?

    I’m sure the list can be quite lengthy for those who want to dig a little.

  • elmcqueen3

    Why is there no investigation into Bill and Hillary Clinton and their participation into the Uranium connection?…In 2005 Bill Clinton traveled to Kazakhstand and convinced the country’s leader to sell off his interest in his Uranium mines to a Russian subsidiary known as ARMZ…which is a subsidiary of Uranium One which also is owned by the Russian government…This is how the Russian were given access by SS Hillary Clinton to acquire 20% of our Uranium stock piles…For those who don’t know what Uranium is used for…it is used to produce “yellow cake” which is used to make nuclear bombs and warheads…We should be talking about “collusion” between the Clinton’s and the Russians and not Donald Trump…The Clinton’s participated by brokering a deal with the Russians that could completely destroy our county in a nuclear war and kill off millions of our people…Yet we have heard nothing of this from the MSM, the Democrats, or SC Robert Meuller…as if it never happened…no “collusion” to be seen between the Clinton’s and the Russians…Meanwhile Bill and Hillary are happy conniving with the MSM and SC Robert Mueller’s “deep” state on how best to get rid of Donald Trump…Hence the American people are being played for being simply “dumb”.

    • metheoldsarge

      Time to take a reality break. I would like to see Bill and Hillary in jail just as much as anyone else. Frustrating as it sounds nothing is going to happen to them. They know everyone who has skeletons in the closet. It is my guess that they could take most of the House, Senate, Obama, Lynch along with a boatload of others, down with them. The Democrats and RINOs can’t afford to let that happen.

      Bill and Hillary will be thumbing her noses at all of us. This is what happens with professional politicians who care more about this “$” then the good of the country or the people. I would be pleasantly surprised to see them in orange jump suits and handcuffs. The only people that will be prosecuted will be the scapegoats forced to take the rap for them.

      • I Seigel

        Looks like Congress has more on their plate than investigating old charges. Congress really hasn’t accomplished anything yet. The only thing Trump and Congress have accomplished is approving a new Supreme Court justice. Not much else. Time to look ahead to the future. Many Dems were upset with Obama and Pelosi for not pursuing charges against W, but they chose to concentrate on the future rather than the past.

    • Mitch Darby

      The Trump investigation, or witch hunt, is just a distraction of major proportions.

  • DrBillLemoine

    With all due respect to the Democrat, we cannot know whether Russian propaganda and faux news influenced the 2016 presidential election outcome. It’s not possible to evaluate the impact news stories had to affirm conservative minds or change their choice to Trump from Clinton. No one will ever know. We can of course investigate concrete messages and Russian bot sources and outlets to see which citizens might have read or heard Russian ‘messages’. We can evaluate and source the ‘Wikileaks’ process of releasing Clinton and her campaign’s emails that seem to affect via critical timing people’s swings in moods for or against Clinton who still won the popular vote.

    We have at least 3 states and localities to inspect for impact by Russian efforts. But, Senator, we are just starting the Mueller investigation about Russian activities, and we have an entire range of questionable contacts of Trump campaign operatives with Russians that might indicate collusion. Specifically Trump personnel might have helped Russian hackers and bots to direct their propaganda to critical or evenly balanced areas in PA, WI and MI to turn the tide against Hillary. These things may never be known so we cannot say in truth that Russia didn’t determine the election outcome. The only thing we can agree on now is there were apparently no individual voters who were contacted, bribed or coerced into voting for Trump. Everything else is still on the table, Mr. Cardin.

    • Roy Fredrichsen

      Russia, Russia, Russia, the Democrats cry is to distract you from knowing how much collusion was going on with them before the elections ever took place. Since they have risen so much accusations, they need to be investigated to determine how many laws THEY broke trying to hold on to their “Golden Gravy Train” at the taxpayers expense. “What comes around, goes around”.

      • DrBillLemoine

        The one trying–and not succeeding or ‘winning’ very well–to distract America is Pres. Trump. Throw in his sycophant enablers in the White House and you have a mafia type enterprise similar to the one that runs Russia now, that Trump is trying to imitate so poorly. If you don’t see it, you aren’t looking. A special prosecutor Robt. Mueller, who you see Trump trying mightily to fire, is unearthing all the dirt around Trump & Company daily. It’s now at the point where his grand jury is starting to really dig deep about everything Russian before and after the campaign–and related racketeering charges. Money laundering, secret meetings, secret communications, multiple family members–all performed by the prez and his cabinet and family.
        So they try–like a good New York City real estate promoter–to distract from their lawbreaking and double dealing and you got sucked in. In America we don’t pursue our political opponents–not enemies and not like Putin killing adversaries. Multiple committees of congress and the FBI have exonerated Clinton and her people. But you persist in diving down into the hole, so American law will continue to wack-a-mole when you emerge. If you want to act like Russian mafia, if you want to lock up your ‘enemies’, if you like Trump running a dictatorial one-man-band, if you abet draining the swamp by continuing to fill it to overflowing, if you like a huckster using the Oval Office to promote his business interests without divestiture, if you like foreigners running the country by throwing goodies at his daughter and properties collecting money against the law, then keep supporting this RICO-charge impeachment bound crook. You might review the impeachment and related lawbreaking charges of Nixon, whose crimes pale compared to the current crook running the country. Yes, for crooks, what comes around, goes around, and you got snookered.

        • Retired

          Boy you really are up the Clintons rear , spreading hate just like the papers you write for . It would not make good butt wipe as it stinks worse . If you don’t like the USA get the hell out .

          • DrBillLemoine

            You must have gotten tired reading. I’ve not defended Hillary; Republican congressional committees and the FBI have.
            The only thing I hate is your lying and diffusion. It’s you ultra-righties, the Bannon crowd, the white supremacists, the anarchists, the lawbreakers, the whiners, the self-centered Trump supporting crowd who scream ‘you have left America already’.

          • Retired

            Great description of yourself . People like you – Media and the Democrat party refuse to give Trump a chance . Congress is just as bad ‘ with holding 129 appointments , but you blame Trump when Obama tied his hands after Hillary lost right up to the morning of leaving office . So that Makes you as a Hillary supporter that crawled up the Democrats Rear .

          • DrBillLemoine

            Sez you! Are we now back in junior high?
            Trump had no chance from the getgo of his campaign. He was already or about to be found guilty and pay big fines for bilking Trump U students and operating illegal Trump Foundation. He’s stiffed vendors, been through multiple bankruptcies and consorts with mafia figures. He’s dirty and proved it not divesting his businesses, accepting checks and benefits from foreign governments, abetting daughter’s getting trademarks, accepting dirty Russian money to launder it, and the beat goes on. Congress has been rebuffed with the stick and attracted with the ‘party’ carrot and suffers from dictatorial edicts to stop the Russian investigation, pass a healthcare bill that isn’t ‘mean’, drop the filibuster limits, etc.
            Dems believe any president deserves to work with his chosen appointees, holds them up for cause, totally unlike (you forgot) stopping hearings and votes with Merrick Garland, healthcare revisions and immigration reform. We’ll never know how many weak minded conservatives in Trump’s base voted for him to ‘fall in line’ or simply fell for Russian propaganda leaks after their hacking attack. Fair is fair; you keep ragging on Hillary who is out of the picture now. That’s what tyrants do to opponents. Are you a tyrant supporter?

          • Retired

            You got your Hillary lies down pat , Hillary is not out of the picture . Hillary as well as Soros are working behind the scene to destroy Trump . Obama is traveling and doing the same thing . So that makes you the tyrant supporter who still goes around blaming others for her loss never mind she lost on her own record . Sanders people either voted for Trump or many stayed home . You are not Bullshitting people with your long winded stories of no merit .

          • DrBillLemoine

            No need to lie as the Hillary record is history. Of course every Democrat is working against Trump, no Sanders supporters who are more liberal than the average.
            Hillary is no tyrant making it up seat-of-the-pants like Trump who is all over the lot with ‘policies’. We simply don’t know how influential Russian bots and hacking with Assange timely releases of emails was. You are so arrogant to think you know. And where is that Trump support now with polls for him at 33% and congress legislating AGAINST him on sanctions and Mueller? My arguments are pretty concise but can’t compete with right wing slogans. I’m not changing. People can read and learn–or not.

          • Retired

            We see how much people support your arrogant views . You are a stubborn old man that would not change with a rope around the neck even though you know down deep that what you write is wrong and full of hate . You like to argue just to argue even though you are wrong .

          • DrBillLemoine

            Rational alternative viewpoints are typically rejected by the ultra-righties. It’s not a deterrent to the truth. Try reality and truth some time. You might like it. And what about the topic?

          • Retired

            You was the topic ,with the long winded BS supporting the Demon Rats .

          • Rodney Steward

            What’s wrong Doc, your boyfriend leave you, you sure are on edge tonight, but you deserve every bit of it you brainwashed fool!

          • DrBillLemoine

            What’s wrong is your blasphemy on the Sabbath.

          • gvette

            LOL…Bill has a doctorate in education, as memory serves. That is about the most worthless thing there is.
            Only looks good to other liberals.
            As the saying goes, those that can, do, those that can’t, teach!

          • Retired

            You mean the one you can buy in the back of magazines ??? He babbles what the Union and Demorat [arty preaches .

          • gvette

            Funny, you mention trump U, but you never mention the KKKlintons, and Laureate University. You mention Trumps bankruptcys, but you fail to mention the other casinos that went bankrupt in Oniggers bad economy.
            DR. Bill. A doctorate in education. That and a dime won’t buy you a cup of coffee! It just impresses the other low life liberals!

          • DrBillLemoine

            After 4 decades in the public eye, there isn’t much that’s not known about the Clintons. There’s no KKK, no university in their lives. It goes to Trump character that he had so many bankruptcies, which is a cheap way for him to get out of bad investments while stiffing others; remember all those venders he refused to pay. If not criminal, it indicates a low regard for other people, businessmen, students and donors connected also to the illegal Foundation. I saw this guy as a crook from the getgo and wonder why it isn’t important to you. Other casinos are not related to Trump on the boardwalk. A bad economy doesn’t explain donating other people’s money and claiming it was your own. You ignored and continue to abet a proven crook who is now possible a traitor. It has nothing to do with my education level or yours. Everybody knows Nixon and Agnew were crooks; now we have Trump and Pence, with your blessing.

          • gvette
          • DrBillLemoine

            Wrong, again. Walden University is a long-term respected alternative university whose graduates that I know are successful, unlike anybody from Trump U. Of course there are always neer-do-wells who would complain and (surprise) blame a famous world figure for their woes. This is compared by me to a student body from Trump U who sued its owner Trump for fraud and won. You are too superficial in your research and understanding even from mainstream media reports. You didn’t take my research course, it’s obvious. I had only one complain over the years teaching doctoral students valid and reliable research and the student dropped out unnecessarily.

          • gvette
          • DrBillLemoine

            My point remains unchallenged by you with your white supremacist source notwithstanding. All Clinton fees were legitimate promotional payments. He did what he was supposed to. Trump, by contrast, did not get his Trump U graduates jobs or anything else students considered valuable, sued him for fraud. See, still you are too superficial for the real world. Try again.

          • gvette

            The Clintons and the collage was part of a money laundering scheme. Oh, I forgot. When the DemonRATS do it, it’s ok.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Money laundering is always on the radar of intel agencies. No flags for Clinton. Try again to smear as you aren’t very good at it.

        • Rodney Steward

          What’s the difference, throw in a pubic headed coon and get a big handful of muslims, liars, and bigger crooks!

        • Roy Fredrichsen

          You are beginning to sound like the rest of the false news networks always dishing out accusations but showing no proof or evidence of wrong doing.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Any jury, a concept taken from earliest American concepts and embedded in the Constitution, convicts on evidence before the applicable law. Newsmen are similarly embodied in the Constitution and also seek the truth via testimony of eyewitnesses and others knowledgeable about public issues. You condemn both with your baseless charge of me saying that neither can produce reality called truth about the actions of Pres. Trump and associates in the most fundamental act of democracy–voting–and in this case collusion with a foreign enemy to alter voting. It’s you who are wrong historically, governmentally and politically–not to mention the law–that what I say based on the news is false or that conclusions from news sources are false and baseless. It’s you who are writing non-American nonsense here, believing un-American sentiments and undermining the law, evidence and my grounded conclusions. Time to get an education or move to lands more in tune with dictatorship and lies you prefer to support. You represent the best in Russian bot action and Russian hacking releases and Trump deflections in attacking what this nation has relied on for more than 2 centuries. Time to acknowledge your comrades and mentors who real American hate–Putin and Kim and Khomeini.

          • Roy Fredrichsen

            First, I want you to understand, I am an ex-soldier sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution. Second,
            as far as I can see, President Trump has done everything “by the book” and needs loyal Americans to support his agenda undoing the damage done to this country by the Democrats almost driving us into bankruptsy by their doubling the “PUBLIC DEBT” and selling the Russians enough uranium to make 3 or 4
            Atomic bombs. NOW, just try denying that.

          • DrBillLemoine

            You need better sources of information and recognize you are in civilian life now. Politics isn’t combat; opponents aren’t enemies. Thinking for yourself is difficult, far more than following orders down the chain of command. Thanks for your service, but you seem, like many posting here, not to have made the transition out of the combat zone.
            Trump has violated in civilian NYC real estate life many laws and ethics, to the point I recognized in him another Nixon-style crook. He’s proven far worse affiliating himself (collusion or not) with a long term enemy, Russia (and killer Putin). He has stiffed ordinary folks like you and me as vendors he failed to pay for real services rendered to his business. He drove himself into bankruptcy repeatedly which stiffs ordinary working men and women like you and me. He bilked students at his ‘University’ to the point they successfully sued for redress. Ditto, breaking the law spending other peoples’ money as his own out of Trump Foundation, for which he was convicted and must dissolve the agency as illegal.
            In office he failed to divest his personal business and is making profits off his presidency from people and governments seeking to influence him by spending money at his hotels and golf courses which profits go to him ultimately. Everyone around him has had contacts with Russians and tried to hide them by omission from legal documents thereby getting security clearances they don’t deserve. They only confess when confronted by evidence of their collusion and double dealing. That’s hardly ‘by the book’. Loyal American hate the ‘above the law’ mentality of a guy who hires family members against federal law dating from 1803 called Logan Act. He lies daily in tweets and in rallies. He attacks basic institutions like the media and opponents, the hallmark of a dictator elsewhere. If that’s loyalty to America, you are sadly mistaken.
            About Obama’s acts you mention, it was 2001-2008 Republican actions in presidency and congress who drove America and the world into Great Recession with deregulation, a condition saved from bankruptcy by the last president and his team. Those Republicans you favor put $10 trillion dollars on the books for debt (from Clinton surplus) in 2000, and charged another $5 trillion off budget/books which Obama correctly put on the budget totally $15 trillion. He added $5 trillion to give working Americans things like healthcare they were literally dying to get, and which Trump cannot erase because it saves lives and fortunes in premiums, deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses the Republicans want to eradicate. Republican bills from Ryan’s House will take away Medicaid healthcare expressly to give rich men tax breaks they don’t need or want. Obama also collected loose nuclear materials, not just uranium, from all nations to keep them from falling into terrorist hands. Only Russia (you noted) and America can secure such deadly materials safely. So you have at the end made poor judgments about legitimate and important actions taken by Obama administration and ignored, overlooked or excused bad things from Bush2 and now in just 6 months Pres. Trump. How could you misinterpret such big steps taken on behalf of safety and security for you and me? And legitimate budgeting/spending?

          • Roy Fredrichsen

            Quite obviously you have never been in the military and don’t understand that we live in dangerous times and patriots are all around you and will fight to the death to save this country from invaders within and without.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Military service is not the rite of passage for supporting and defending our Constitution. It takes no oath to do it, simply a national esprit and sense of community not found in vets outside of the military ranks. The danger you feel is not from fellow citizens like me, or Democrats generally. But you seem to take us for an enemy within–faulty thinking and failure of education you have shed. Military does not equal ‘patriot’ to people like me, quite the opposite in many cases if you read these pages for as long as I have. BTW there are no invaders as you describe, not even those illegally crossing our southern border, a number which has steadily decreased with our stagnant wages as a real wall.

          • Roy Fredrichsen

            Well now, Billy – you aren’t accusing me of treason are you? Because IF you are, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.

          • DrBillLemoine

            The world is not simply black and white, good and bad, rich and poor. . .If you aren’t a patriot, it doesn’t mean you are a traitor–nonsense thinking, or non-thinking. Yet the ultra right sees all issues as them and us, not simply different viewpoints-a problem for democratic governance. Does the shoe fit, Roy?

      • Retired

        The ones who have the dirty hands are making a big stink , namely Crying Hillary.

    • Retired

      Dr. Bullshitsky strikes again with a long winded message and says nothing with proof defending Hillary as Usual , his main goal . Hillary lost because of Hillary and not the Russians , get that through your skull . Sanders people voted for Trump or stayed Home . Look at the percentage that did not vote .

    • Rodney Steward

      You sick Pervert, why don’t you blow your brains out instead of the kids you teach! Your a typical Dem. idiot, all mouth and no a$$ !!

  • W. Coyote

    The bigger concern is this: We were attacked during our election by a hostile foreign power. So far, Donald Trump has been uninterested in preventing future attacks. Wonder why?

    • mort_f

      Actually we were attacked, but by hostile domestic powers. The ‘why’ is a plain as the nose on your face. And those ‘attacks’ have become more blatantly obvious over the past 8 years. Have yet to see, even a description of those ‘foreign attacks’. Right, those ‘attacks’ are all classified, trust our lying leaders for the truth.

      Perhaps Pres. Trump is taking a page from Pres. Ford’s pardon of Pres. Nixon. For if Pres. Trump proceeded with the appropriate criminal indictments of Obama, Holder, Clinton, Lynch, Clapper, Brennan …. et al, the list is very long, the results would be rather traumatic.Was far better to allow sleeping dogs to live with their fleas. Unfortunately, those sleeping dogs, left alone, have taken on the role of vicious pit bulls, and should be treated accordingly.

      • Retired

        Hillary – Soros – Schumer – Pelosi and the Democrat party along with the Song Bird .

      • W. Coyote

        Good afternoon Mort and thank you for your reply. A good place to start would be the “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution” document of Jan. 6, 2017. I’ll attempt link it (if my shaky computer skills don’t let me down). You are right- a good deal of the evidence is classified at this time. This is done so we don’t tip off the Russians to our methods. But in general, they hacked into the DNC and also planted a lot of “fake news” stories in the media of swing states to hurt Hillary’s chances there. I could get into the motivation for hurting Hillary if you are interested.

        But since that report was published, we then found out additional hacks into 39 state election systems.

        “The hack into Illinois’s election system is the one we know the most about. Ken Menzel, who serves as general counsel for the Illinois state board of elections, told Bloomberg that a part-time contractor for the state board of elections noticed unauthorized data leaving the network.
        That data contained the personal information of around 15 million people, including names, birthdays, genders, and partial Social Security numbers. It was a huge coup for the Russians, as around half of those 15 million were active voters. Apparently, the cyber intruders aimed to delete or alter voter data they got a hold of.”

        I think everyone- Democrat, Republican, Independent has good reason to be very concerned about this news. So far, Mr. Trump has shown no concern. Do you have any ideas why that might be? https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

        • mort_f

          Just read your input. I will suggest that you re-read the ‘Intelligence’ summary, replacing references to ‘RT’ with ‘ USIA’. Considering the Russian distaste for Clinton, and their actions in 2016, I can attest that it had no impact on my opinion, for that precedes the ‘assessment’ of Russian meddling by many years. The rest of this ‘assessment’ of Russian activities reads like a mirror image of our CIA and NSA intelligence activities. Note that nothing mentioned in this assessment even approaches Obama’s blatant interference in Israel, or previous CIA involvements in Chile, Nicaragua, Columbia, China, and a slew of other places that I am ignorant of. Did I leave out Cuba?

          An old adage, ‘People who live in glass houses should not throw stones’. Does Russia have an interest in the US elections? Of course. Did any of their actions even compare with our actions?

          • W. Coyote

            I agree that the CIA has been involved in some pretty nasty business in the past. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Iran in your list and how we are still dealing with the aftereffects of that.
            “Obama’s blatant interference in Israel,”? Really? Could you give me some specific evidence for that claim?
            “…it had no impact on my opinion,”? That may be true but you are setting a very low bar by which you measure threats from abroad. Would you be showing similar disinterest if Putin had taken actions in favor of Hillary and she had won?
            Let’s put it another way. Suppose North Korea launched a missile attempting to hit Seattle. Let’s further suppose the missile’s guidance was off by .005% and it fell harmlessly into the ocean. Would you be saying “Well, since no one was killed, we have nothing to worry about, and besides- we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima”?

          • mort_f

            Obama’s State Department spent $300,000 funding an Israeli NGO to defeat Netanyahu. That is only the verified amount. Was that just ‘the tip of the iceberg’?

            The CIA was the successor to the OSS. Its early activities were ‘meddling’ in China. Operating an ‘airline’ to transport Nationalist troops. It did far more than ‘transporting’.

            In those ‘blatant’ meddlings one can add a few assassinations. Just a tad worse than ‘hacking’.

            As far as the Clintons are concerned, Russia could not do anything to have changed my opinion of either of them. That opinion was settled much more than a few years ago. Russia could not have painted them with either whitewash or tar.

            As far as a missed missile, knowing its trajectory, that could be labeled as an ‘Act of War’. But then again, is there any real difference between ‘sanctions’ and ’embargoes’. If they extend to blockades, you have another internationally recognized ‘Act of War’.

          • W. Coyote

            I am fully aware that the claim of “Obama’s blatant interference in Israel,” has been widely promoted on “conservative” news sources. The money was part of a grant which was working toward peace between Palestinians and Israelis. After Netanyahu called for elections the NGO used some voter information for it’s own purposes. In other words there was no intent by Obama or “Obama’s state department” for the money to be used for that purpose. A bi-partisan Senate report found that while there was a lack of oversight, ” The report found no legal wrongdoing by the State Department”. The claim of Obama “meddling” in Israeli politics falls apart upon inspection.
            I am also fully aware of the CIA’s past assassinations. Are you suggesting that justifies the Russians interference in 2016?
            And yes, I agree- my hypothetical with North Korea would be an “Act of War”. In 2016, Russian actions could be considered an Act of War. It was a cyber-attack which attempted to undermine the electoral process. It was retaliation against the Obama administration and could also be construed as regime change.
            What Mr. Trump should realize soon is this: “Last time, it was against Hillary. Next time it could be against me. We better do something to prevent it in the future”

          • mort_f

            Your justification / whitewash of that meddling in Israel reeks to the high heavens. Rather wonder how there is any justification for grants to ANY NGO, especially foreign ones, for ANY purpose. Does ‘lack of oversight’ a euphemism for exonerating Hillary’s Benghazi, or the ‘carelessness’ of her handling of classified information? The swamp is deep.

            Obama’s ‘meddling’ goes far beyond his failed attempts in Israel. Consider both Libya and Egypt. In both instances, they were Acts of War’. If either Libya or Egypt had any real power to defend themselves, it would have been the institution of a war. But Obama had an ally, the Moslem Brotherhood. The combination of the USA and the MB was a combination that neither Libya nor Egypt had the power to counter. As far as the UN being for peace, what a waste of words.

            I am still waiting for a single specific instance of how Russian ‘meddling’ directly affected even a single vote.

          • W. Coyote

            I’m glad that you are concerned about evidence. I just hope you are operating from a single standard.
            At this point, I cannot offer specific evidence that the Russian meddling “directly affected even a single vote”. I am sure that some political scientists are studying that question as we speak. I’m sure we will hear more about that level of specificity as those studies are completed. I’m guessing we will see some anecdotes as well as data to prove it one way or the other. I do know there are a lot of angry, gullible people out there why are susceptible to fake news. I also know that Donald Trump won by few thousand votes in a small number of swing states.
            Speaking of “whitewashing”, it’s interesting that many people ( including you) seem so blasé about the attack. I’ll ask it again- If Putin had been working to elect Hillary and she won, would you have also been so unconcerned because I couldn’t prove “Russian meddling directly affected even a single vote”?
            I am still waiting for a single specific bit of evidence that President Obama’s “blatant interference in Israel”.

          • mort_f

            That $300, 000 is not ‘evidence’? The US Government funding foreign NGOs? No matter whatever purported purpose should make even you hold your nose.

            I am a rather cynical retired Aerospace engineer. On too many instances I have seen erroneous information published in the media, not only in trade publications, but especially in the public media. I can easily fill this blog with numerous anecdotes that I was personally involved in.

            Allow me one specific instance. I was a lead citizen in changing the local form of government. I spoke at a public hearing where I read, verbatim, from my prepared text. I distributed a dozen copies of the text to the media. The following day I was quoted in the Washington Post. No two words were alike. They were on my side, and they said it possibly better than I did.

            As for ‘studies’. The Smithsonian addition at Dulles. The study said it would have been too costly to re-locate the Shuttle Enterprise to any other location. Guess where Enterprise is now. It is hard to ‘hide’ that piece of ‘evidence’. So much for a study.

            Recently, some work that I was involved in was declassified. A trusted reference journal used part of that report. Sorry folks, but there are errors in the publication. Trivial errors, perhaps, but errors none the less. No, I will not point out the errors. Yes, I am a nit picker, especially in the classified area.

            I have more examples, many more, but citing even a few more might be tiresome.

          • W. Coyote

            Good morning Mort. Thank you for providing the interesting stories about some of the issues you have been dealing with.
            No, the $300,000 does not constitute evidence. I don’t dispute that the money was used for purposes beyond the scope of the grant ( peace between Israel and the Palestinians). But to prove “Obama’s blatant interference in Israel”, you would need to show intent on the part of President Obama. You would need some proof that he directed that money to be used for that purpose. Or you would need to show that he personally designed this grant in an effort to mislead Congress about the true purpose in mind.

          • mort_f

            Speaking to the body of the deceased: ‘I didn’t know the gun was loaded, and I am so sorry my friend’. Hence, no ‘evidence’ of a crime, or even a misdemeanor. For there is no ‘proof of intent’.

            Any ‘evidence’ that may even change your opinion has now been hidden in the Obama Presidential library. That, and even more egregious ‘evidence’ will have to wait before it can be accessed by the public.

            Btw, referencing ‘scope of the grant’ is totally ridiculous.

          • W. Coyote

            mort- I hope you and your family are doing well today.

  • Jose

    How much did bill/hrc/their foundation make on the “pay for play” deal that Russia ended up with a big chunk of US uranium? Why is this not being investigated, oh, it the clinton’s and may even involved the highest office who is now on a forever vacation cause of being overly rich.

    • Bob

      “Why is this not being investigated…” For the same reason the scandal involving Debbi Wasaman Schultz and her IT department is being ignored: It does NOT hurt Trump. After meeting will Bill, Lynch told Comey to change his stance on the e-mail scandal, he did, it’s ignored. Hillary’s Chief of Staff “forgot” to list the millions he got in the private sector from Russia, directly tied to Putin, it’s ignored. False stories about the MLK bust, about why Comey was fired, numerous other lies, and it is all ignored. None of these stories fit the anti-trump narrative being pushed by the media and the Democrats (redundant) so they MUST be ignored or down played.

      • Retired

        Voted out of Congress in 2018 is the only way. Hillary is setting up a Pac fund to help Demon Rats come 2018 so she can travel and cry some more .

    • Retired

      Traveling to countries where ISIS is entering . Maybe helping set up camp .When are they going to hunt down this traitor .

    • Rodney Steward

      It made a 120 million $$$ !!

  • Richard Bagenstose

    watch it, talk like that , will make you die mysteriously , if hillary hears you, even this guy knows the investigation is a fraud, an investigation run by never trumpers , only has one out come , get the rope

  • regulus30

    he means JUST LIKE OBAMA TRIED TO INTERFERE with Israel’s; [NETENYAHU]., EGYPT,LIBYA and others.

  • BH

    The question that should be asked of Mr. Cardin and other Democrats is how much contact did the Hillary campaign have with Russia. As the candidate of the party of the sitting President, that’s the investigation that has yet to be launched. Why not? Maybe Mr. Muller will seek to know all things Russian, not just those that he can try to bring down Trump with.

    • Jmanjo

      I agree. Why isn’t this an investigation that looks into all possible collusion with Russians? There have been numerous nefarious meetings and such that the Democrats and the Clintons and Obama had with them. And we are not talking about the everyday business of the two governments. I do believe the DOJ had better be riding herd over this investigation to make sure it is fair and equitable to all. Since Mueller has chosen mostly liberal lawyers that donated to Hillary’s campaign the whole matter is suspect! And so far there has been no evidence or proof. That smells witch hunt any way you look at it!

      • Retired

        They will never go against the Clintons even if the proof is in black and white . It is like you said a Witch hunt by the biggest Witch herself , because she lost as the people were tired of the Clintons .

        • Rodney Steward

          A super Bingo my friend!

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    • I Seigel

      There has never been any claim that the Russians affected the outcome of the election. The only person who is worried about that is Trump. And he’s the only one claiming voter fraud.

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