GOP Establishment Favors Clinton Over Trump

by Jonathan Swan  |  published on November 30, 2015

When asked who he would vote for if the presidential race comes down to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, the former mayor of Los Angeles and a longtime Republican establishment figure, Dick Riordan, says: “I would probably go find a deserted island.”

“I think Hillary is disgusting,” said Riordan, a wealthy investor who has exceeded $500,000 in political donations throughout his career.

“And I think Trump is crazy,” Riordan added in a telephone interview Monday.

Riordan is not alone. In conversations over the past month, GOP establishment donors have confided to The Hill that for the first time in recent memory, they find themselves contemplating not supporting a Republican nominee for president.

  • Artemis

    Well Folks, it looks as if “They” still don’t “get the Picture”,”we, the people” simply don’t want mainstream politicians “running” the Country anymore! The problem is that they “sell” their allegiance to the highest bidder and now that that most are aware of that, because we’ve watched firsthand as the RINO’s have enabled the Leftists, Marxists, Socialists, (Godless, Lawless) Morons to “transform” OUR Country into a Racially Divided (or so they think) MESS! The image that OUR Country now has among Other Nations makes me sick and the RNC is willing to support Hillary just because they can’s get their “way”? At long last, they have shown their “true” colors! We’re with you bullwhit, we have not yet begun to fight! Semper Fi……

  • kranvornip

    Billwhit- you are SO RIGHT. Piss on all of them…. that’s the whole point, and why Trump is the only answer. Trump is NOT politics as usual, and that scares the S#!T out of standing politicians- because Trump will incite people to vote the lot of them out of office- which should have been done decades ago.
    Asking a standing politician who THEY like is like asking a whore who their favorite trick is.

  • VicBailey

    They are just pissed because they know that their FREE RIDE WILL BE OVER! They are all about big government just like the dumocrats, and they go out partying at night with each other just like a bunch of enemy wrestlers, they put on a big show to the public but after hours that are all kissy, kissy, and that is the biggest farce of all. The biggest bunch of LIARS in the country, now they don’t even try to hide it, they are all a greedy bunch of BASTARDS, and to Hell with the people and they trample all over our Constitution BOTH SIDES! We are WAY OVERDUE TO CULL THE HERD! Semper Fi.

  • Gerry Seaquist

    They ??? didn’t want Mitt and look what we got Please stop referring to these people as as GOP

  • ROHBAR

    I believe these low life g o peers are leftist commies who have NO respect for this nation or the voters, they are bought off whores!

  • Kissingfan

    This a one of the more serious problems with the GOP. If the candidate is not a party puppet he isn’t respected. This is what has given birth to the Tea Party (in my opinion).

  • Greg137

    Bernie Evans is a troll don’t feed him.. Let the punk starve.. What the Republicans need are leaders that are not in bed with the Demoncrat party..
    Republican establishment has been bought and paid for by Wall street investors who are also dyed in the wool demoncrat supporters.. The Demoncrat president Obama Bin Laden used the corrupt Wall street bankers to buy the opposition which is why they are in the tank for Hitlary.. We need a Republican party that is genuinely Republican, but alas money is the mother’s milk of politics.. If you want to hit the liberals where it counts then start cutting of Liberal business brands, like Apple, Microsoft, General Mills, Walmart, Staples, Nabisco, target, Disney, Square Enix, Pepsi, Frito Lay and Nippon Ichi Soft(NIS).. There are other brands you can be buying from, so you don’t have to support these brands which want to have all Christians and Conservatives thrown into prison( By the way, does that sound open minded to you; That they would want to jail the opposition simply for dis agreeing with them??NO it isn’t..) .. JUST SHOP THE COMPETITION.. IT is where you choose to put your money.. Be true to your beliefs So you don’t have to feel guilty by a brand name that wants to support the Left wing causes and wants to destroy YOUR liberties… You your head so you don’t lose your mind like the way the liberals already have..

  • gtm615

    Why should this not surprise me. The GOP establishment run congress did nothing to stop Obama’s dictatorial practices. in fact, they helped push them through and punish those who opposed them.

  • withinsigthbutblind

    I’m with ‘billwhit’ all the way! The Rep’cans, now known as the Rino party are assholes, commie, liberal infiltrators and I can not even call it by its former name. Only the Rino party fits and I am voting for Trump, if not for Trump and what he stands for, then against the Rino party. Trump/Crux 2016!

  • Patty5241

    I Seigel, I am a boomer who has spent 45 years working in the real world with a lot of overtime and have not had the time to learn all the younger generation lingo.. I do appreciate you trying to explain “pear” as opposed to “pair” and still do not understand what zulu is trying to say. A pear is a piece of fruit and a pair is two of something that go together. Talk about the powerful country of the past, why don’t we try speaking English in a manner that everyone born and educated in this country can understand?

    I thought he was talking about someone having a pair of balls. Sorry, guess I was educated to be a professional and use the English of this country. But, then again a lot of this on-line is just venting and not that important in the scheme of life. These comments, although interesting, for the most part do not make any difference in life. Have a good evening. Again, thank you for trying to “educate” me.

    • Glenda Jordan

      Patty5241, I read this thread and from what I understood of it I Seigel was not trying to be kind and explain anything, he was being sarcastic to the one asking if Zulu meant “pair” and not “pear”. It was apparently a typo. I’m in my 50’s, my kids 20’s & 30’s…even my dad in his 80’s all understand a “pair” is a “pair”….this is no younger generation lingo and your thought was correct.

      • I Seigel

        Patty, I was not being sarcastic to you. I was merely pointing out that whether he meant “pear” or “pair”, Zulu’s post was incomprehensible. “Pear” just made it far more entertaining.

        • Glenda Jordan

          My bad I Seigel I thought it was a bit of sarcastic humor cause it did give me a lil’ laugh.

          • Patty5241

            Thank you for the follow-up and clarity. I am a baby boomer who worked in a professional world (law) for 45 years. We know not to be sarcastic to someone you do not know. If someone is stupid enough to not learn something and instead try to offend another they do not know we call them A$$ Holes. Enjoy your holiday season!

  • Poptoy1949

    May the GOP Establishment go and EFF themselves and I am a 100% True Conservative.

    • bobnstuff

      Explain why if you hate the people who built the party and run the party why you are a member of it. Most of the party is RINO’s by your standards. What are you doing being part of it?

      • Poptoy1949

        I never said I am a Member of the GOP Party. I never said I hated them. You said that. Yes, most of the Party is made up of Rino’s by my standards.

      • Poptoy1949

        Never said I was a member of the party and Never said I hated anyone. You said that. YES, by my standards a large portion of the Party are indeed Rino’s. And finally I am not a Member. There, I said it twice. But I am a Staunch Conservative that is sick and tired of the same Old Rhetoric.

        • bobnstuff

          I’m pleased to here you aren’t one of the folk trying to high jack the republican party. I believe that the big tent that once was the republican party should have room for conservatives and moderates. I’m a moderate in most things, I respect others views and will endorse a good idea no matter where it comes from. I’m conservative when it comes to spending and a social liberal, in other words I don’t have a problem with same sex marriage. The government needs to stay out of our churches and our bedroom. I have been a member of the republican party all my life, I have served as a ward chairman and worked to elect members of my local government. I have watched the national party fall apart over the last sixteen years and mourn it’s downfall.

          • Poptoy1949

            Bob, I have never tried to hijack anything in my life. You say you are a moderate. That is OK by me. I live in Louisiana. A state that has been screwed over by the Democrat Party for decades and I was around for a lot of those decades. I was a Republican for years. But when G.H.W. Bush got into the White House I wanted to Puke. Now that said……I will leave it to you to find out what I now know about some people in the Party. I left the Republican Party then and will never return. Since the time of G.H.W. to now I have seen a shift in the Party that has upset me greatly. I am old now. But I hope I live long enough to see the Republican Party straighten itself out. All of that said……the Democrat Party is so far to the Left it can never find it’s way back. I wish you well in your quest and to you and your Family a Very Merry Christmas indeed. Best wishes, PT.

  • Bernie Evans

    Puhleeeeeeze, the notion that Trump could even MAYBE beat The Lady Clinton, Hugh Hewitt’s The Queen, is L.U.D.I.C.R.O.U.S…with a shot o’ H.I.L.L.A.R.Y.-O.U.S.
    lol
    Looks like estab-Repubs aren’t so stupid after all; or at least, they put America and her survival, before party…;-)
    GO, TRUMP, GO!
    lol

  • Alan

    But of course they would defend the status quo. Trump is rocking the boat and they fear drowning as a result. A Hillary presidency would mean pretty much that everything would remain as is in their eyes. Only problem with their reasoning is that Hillary is the snake in the grass just waiting to launch it’s fangs into what’s left of America’s rapidly faltering carcass. It’s about to get even uglier for us all than we could have ever imagined.

    • bobnstuff

      So did I miss something? Has the country fallen into economic depression? Has the stock market crashed? Is the job market laying off people right and left? Let me guess we are sending troops into war. Oh wait that was the last President that did that.

      • Alan

        What are you talking about? I was speaking of the general morass I witness every day interactions with others in my travels. The negative attitudes I find are from those who were once up-beat and optimistic about the future of our country. Now they are not at all certain. We are in decline whether you wish to accept the fact or not bobnstuff.

        • bobnstuff

          I work part time for the second largest retailer in the country. Friday we set a sales record. We are having problems hiring and have raise the starting wage twice. Anyone who wants a job in my area has one. There is a building boom going on here, urban redevelopment. What was once the worst part of town is now mixed housing and retail. The people I talk to are now beginning to feel good about the future. The ones still down in the mouth are the ones that watch Fox News.

  • Seedman

    The above article shows the relevance and need today for the psalmist’s prayer. Wilt Thou not Thyself revive us again, that Thy people may rejoice again.

  • PLW

    If the GOP supports Hillary over Trump, then that will be the end of the GOP…

    Might as well re-elect Obama since Obama & Hillary (as Secretary of State) helped him to get to where he is today !! ABSOLUTION NO WHERE…

    There is no more trust in Obama, he continually lies and, like Hillary, he continues to dismantle the American economy !!

  • Marvin Zeichner

    The more the Republican party tries to discourage votes for Trump, the more support he gets!

  • Jo

    This man is an idiot to say something like this. We must all stand together and vote Republican, whether we like the Candidate or not. Not to vote Republican in this coming election (if we are allowed to have one), will be our last chance to save our country from Communism/dictatorship/and ‘One World Government’ under United Nations Storm Troopers. We all know the majority of the countries in the U.N. are Muslim, where will that leave us? NO FREEDOM OF ANY KIND!

  • cutterguy

    gop rinos do not want change in dc. just continued chaos and take it and shut up attitude

  • I Seigel

    The headline of this “news story” is bulls**t. Nowhere in the article does it say that the GOP ‘prefers” Hillary. It just says that they don’t support Trump – they say “he’s crazy” – but the article also quotes the ex-mayor as saying that Hillary “is disgusting”. That doesn’t sound like he supports Hillary, does it?

  • Jerry

    Congrad billwhit…

  • firstdingbat

    You are obsoletely right, The GOP is not listening, they are no better than the Democrats. They are against what they should be for and for what they should be against, they cannot be trusted as you said the are no longer for Conservative Values as they purport to stand for. I am with TRUMP/CRUZ FOR 2016. I HOPE WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE to heal our country by then!

    • Pam

      No disrespect intended, but:
      I ABSOLUTELY believe that the RINOS are attempting to make the Republican Party OBSOLETE.
      (auto-correct can be a bitch)

  • Robert Early

    Keep it all in proper perspective. The Establishment is very much opposed to Trump’s nomination. If he wins the nomination, then it’s a brand new game. No honest, thinking soul would ever support Hillary for anything other than prison.

    • Pam

      Except that nowadays “honest, thinking souls” are becoming a rare species.
      Common sense is not “politically correct”.

  • Dave In Arizona

    Should, God forbid, Hillary become the next president of the USA, there won’t be any deserted islands; every sane person will have moved to one.

    • ward

      Don’t believe there are enough ignorant dupes in the U.S. to vote for hitlery !

      • Dave In Arizona

        Remember, Ward, those “ignorant dupes” elected and then reelected Barack Obama. And then there’s the liberal / progressive penchant for voter fraud.

        • ward

          You are right on target & bo’s fraud has no end with all of his abuse of power E.O.’s that have illegally created the destruction of U.S. Constitutional Freedom and Rights that gives the libtard type like Hillary to run against the U.S. for her own deceitful whims from hell !

      • Pam

        Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers, eg. black lies matter, women for Hildabeast, and Bernie Sanders entire base.

  • SDofAZ

    The ones who are crazy are the rino donors but they are isolated behind their rich facade that insulates them from this mess they via their rino puppets have engineered. Of course, they see this as not suitable. And my response is, who cares? We will be voting in mass as the silent majority and we are fed up with people trying to manipulate this process. Too bad they lost sight of the purpose of this process set up by our forefathers. Damn idiots and control freaks obviously!

  • Ken V

    That’s the whole dang problem…the republican establishment. It cost us the election last time and may very well cost this next one as well. They want somebody they can control and that’s exactly what we don’t want.

    • ward

      TEA PARTY is the sole protector of the U.S. Constitutional Freedom & Rights along with National Security which bo & his muslim, marxist crony administration is trying to destroy

  • OnlyTruthFirst

    The GOP Establishment is part of the problem. Their “pay to play” policy of donors is not about “We The People”, but crony capitalism. Washington DC has become the devil’s playground. People are fed up with both parties. Is it time for a Freedom Party (Third Party)? I believe this next election, if there is an election, will be the last stand for our freedom and our country.

    • ward

      libtard dems & rinos along with bo & his muslim, marxist cronies are all of the problem and the # 1 enemy against all the U.S. Patriotic Citizens Constitutional Freedom … !

  • zulu

    It’s obvious that the established GOP can’t handle anyone with a “pear.” Our country is so divided and so Muslim that it’s hard to recognize the powerful country of the past. We need someone like Trump or Cruz who will put the USA needs first!

    • Patty5241

      “pear”? Just so we understand what you are actually trying to say, do you mean pair — as in gonads?

      • I Seigel

        No, I think Zulu means “pear”. His comment makes much more sense that way, rather than “pair”.

    • bobnstuff

      We are so Muslim, just what do you mean by that? Just how are we Muslim? I really would like to know.

  • Climax

    Perhaps American Citizens have had enough of the Establishment already and are darn sick and tired of being ripped off by the ultra rich who think they know it all and want to control America. If they do choose to support Hillary I do hope that Trump goes independent and when he wins, he WILL bring us all hope and joy when he sticks it to the Establishment and all their games. First thing would be to let the FBI loose on the Clinton’s until they are in jail. Next go after the Establishment members as each one has got to have several soft spots in their armor which can be penetrated. Slap a few of them around and the rest get the message to stop trying to take over the USA and abide by the Constitution. If guns are outlawed their body guards need to also be unarmed as well.

  • Phyllis Schultz

    Trump may be crazy, but Hilary is evil and corrupt. Trump may not be my first choice, but no one is as bad as Hilary.

    • Pam

      AMEN!!!

  • Savannah Belle

    He’d better rethink his choice (Hillary) for president. Look what happened when it came down to McCain vs. Obama. We got more than Hope and Change. We cannot afford another democrat in the White House in 2016.

    • Hgeyer

      Are you afraid the stock market will continue to go up and unemployment will continue to go down?

      • Savannah Belle

        I’m afraid for our country. Or what’s left of it. And you?

        • Hgeyer

          I love our country and I don’t fear for it! I fear republican politics and corrupt politicians from both parties! Remember what the last republican, in the white house, did to our economy? You want that to happen again? Just vote republican…..

          • Savannah Belle

            I agree that the 2nd half of W’s presidency was bad, but what about our present President. Do you really want me to list his failures. Look at his foreign policy fiasco…what about Obamacare, what about the deficit. He has divided this country. He has decreased our military and taken some of their equipment away from them. Look at how many more people are on welfare since he has become President. What about the “red line”” in Syria. Look at our Southern border. It’s wide open. If you don’t understand why he’s doing that, then I feel sorry for you. The list goes on and on. Don’t worry, I WILL Vote Republican. No one Republican can be as bad as this Democrat that we have now occupying The White House..

          • Hgeyer

            Where do I start….. This foreign policy “fiasco” you refer to was labeled that by people that don’t agree with it and most of the real world doesn’t view it as a “fiasco” but since it’s subjective you are entitled to any opinion you want, but so am I. Obamacare has been GOOD for most people I know but is limited by not having a public option that Obama wanted in the plan but republicans wouldn’t approve of. The deficit started dropping like a rock when Obama was able to get the Bush tax cuts ended for the wealthy, that’s a fact! He decreased the military because we ended 2 wars and congress cut the funding with the sequestration actions. And we still spend more than the next 23 countries COMBINED! More people are on welfare because Obama inherited the worst economy since the depression and it took a few years to fix most of the damage that the Bush administration did… Did you thank him for that? Just because he didn’t PUBLICLY go all postal in Syria doesn’t mean “nothing” was done. Our southern border has been a joke for decades! By the way, more went home last year than came here, there are 1 million fewer illegal Mexicans here than last year! You are right…. The list of right wing bull$hit just keeps going on and on. If you happen to win that White House back you should be prepared to end up again right where Bush left us…. Circling the bowl….

          • Savannah Belle

            Trying to be civilized with a left winger is a wate of my time. History will let us know who is right and who is wrong. And by the way, a million Mexicans did leave, but 870, 000 replaced them. Have a nice day!

          • I Seigel

            Belle, it depends on who is interpreting history. Sherry here claims that Mussolini was a liberal, and the Italians executed him because he wasn’t conservative enough. When you make up your own history, strange things happen. That seems to be the case with science data and other real world examples in the LaLa Land that Conservatives live in these days.

          • Savannah Belle

            I can see that one cannot be civilized with a left winger. History will decide who is right and who is wrong. As for the million Mexicans that have left, what about the 870,000 Mexicans that replaced them. Have a nice day!

          • Hgeyer

            I’m sorry if you feel that bombarding you with reality is “uncivilized”…. Yes, history will decide, just like history showed us how bad the last republican in the white house was for our country…… The point about the illegal Mexicans is that there are fewer here now then last year and according to the stories I have read THEY claim it is because of “stricter border enforcement”…. so quit blaming Obama for a porous border…..

      • ward

        You are as full of shit as a turkey ready for the chop block …. !

  • used_to_be_a_liberal

    Of course. They can not control Trump. Their worried that their gravy train will end. Their days of being “rulers” will end, they will be reduced to being representatives, oh no, they will actually have to work for the people, and not themselves, what a strange concept that is.

    • VAM

      Cut their incomes to that of the average American and let us all compete and see if we can do a better job than the incompetence they have shown.

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        Your concept is not a bad idea, but a lower income at their level will only lead to more corruption, as they think that they deserve it, as in their minds they believe that they are just so special, and they know that this garbage will end with a Trump/Cruz win.
        On incompetence, I wish it were simple incompetence. Those people are not dummies, even though by their actions or inactions it would appear that they are, unfortunately their “moves” are planned, and deliberate for their own gain, and their interest is not the country, but themselves, and this is one of the main reasons why we are in the mess that we are in.

        • BOC

          A Trump/Cruz win doesn’t equate White House, which neither will ever see.

      • bobnstuff

        I just had a thought. Could any of the Republicans leader or most CEO’s live on what the average American is asked to? Which of these Candidates would you see being able to live like real people. Forget stands on social issues and ask do they understand what it’s like to work for a pay check? Isn’t politics becoming the Rich taking care of the Rich? You have to be rich to run for office, does being rich make you smart? Does anyone believe that any of these guys feel the strain of not having money? Not being able to send your kids to the best schools, having to drive an older car because your child needed money and you gave then what you had intended to spend on a new one. Can they understand what cutting programs like Social Security would mean or what tanking the stock market does to a 401K? Who of all the people running could live on an average Americans income?

        • ward

          You are a total loss and not worth a logical discussion !

          • bobnstuff

            I guess that means you can’t answer the question. Does being rich make you smart?

          • Ron

            bobstuff. I will answer that question. NO. However, there are some smart people who are rich (whatever rich means). There are some poor people who are smart but just cannot seem to get a break.

          • bobnstuff

            I’ve been lucky to know some of the most intelligent people in our country and most do well but not in the top 1%. It’s kind of strange to be talking about how big a piece of dry Ice you need to get the right level of carbonation in you home brewed beer with one of the people who built the super computer that NASA uses. Trump believe that because he is very rich he is very smart and so he should be President. Of the republicans running I would say is is the least smart. I’m not happy with any of the candidates right and really with someone would run tht I could vote for instead of having to vote against the other guy.

          • BOC

            No! It absolutely does not. But he has to know someone that is, to know for sure. Q: Does he know those type of people.

          • bobnstuff

            The Donald my know them but will anyone with brains work for him? He likes yes men and likes to fire people. Mr Trump has build a public image that would let you believe that he has done it all by himself but look behind the curtain and you will see a bunch of bankers that have saved him from himself time and time again.

          • obama

            Typical response. As they say, you can’t fix stupid

          • ward

            You have the right name of obama for stupid;live & die with your own ignorance of creating enslavement in bo’s wannabe dictatorship …. !

          • BOC

            Nut Job!

          • I Seigel

            Ward, why not try answering the question instead of attacking the asker?

          • ward

            What question …? There was only the typical asinine libtard stupidity of a lazy freeloading obamamite …. !

          • bobnstuff

            Ward does being rich make you smart? It’s a simple question.

          • ward

            Does being a libtard make you nosey… ? Rich, poor, middle class comfortable or what ever matters none but being a Patriotic U.S. Citizen that protects the U.S Constitutional Freedom & Rights is the #1 question of “smart” & you being a supporter of bo is not “smart ” or being a patriotic U.S. Citizen to protect U.S. Security !

          • bobnstuff

            So I;m not sure what your answer was. I don;t believe you have an answer, I will as you this one. Do you support all the constitution, 100%? That one should be easy for you.

          • BOC

            This person wants to turn back the clock to the 1700’s. He has dropped out of the 21st century because he doesn’t like it now that the cowboy is gone.

            He wants to get an invitation to Jackson-Hole, Wyoming to get away from civilization and do some fly fishing with his so-called buddy.

          • I Seigel

            Bobnstuff’s post contained several questions. They were all indicated by having a question mark at the end of each. Try answering any one of them, rather than attacking and responding by calling him – or anyone – names.

          • ward

            Not worth the time to acknowledge ignorant libtards but in issegel’s & your case bobn’stuff’ it where the sun won’t shine or where it does is a bo failure in you … !

          • BOC

            “libtard?”

            Name-calling and insulting, is a prime example of not having anything constructive to say or post.

          • BOC

            Good example of not thinking before you publish.

          • I Seigel

            What’s a good example? It’s not clear who and what you’re referring to.

          • BOC

            Yes!

          • BOC

            Meaning you are at a total loss for words.

        • BOC

          I don’t think they would function properly under those conditions, if they lost it all. Some would probably take the coward’s way out…………

        • VAM

          The sad part is these are the people making the decisions for us all. They are out of touch with the reality of incomes and expense of average citizens in this country. They are so removed from the real P&L they can not see why we are so pissed about what their actions or lack of actions have done to our way of life.

          Now we want to vote them out!

      • BOC

        They?
        What Income?
        Incompetence, who?

        • VAM

          Sorry.

          They – Both houses, Administration, Agency heads
          What income. – Salaries and perks
          Incompetence, who – those that have been responsible for creating these issues

          • BOC

            We’ll, have to be more specific here and identify the same.

          • BOC

            That guy moved back to crawford, Tx.

    • bobnstuff

      Trump can’t control Trump. Listen to what he is saying and how he says it. When you are running for office you don’t keep saying you are going to sue the media, you don’t try to blackmail your party into supporting you and you don’t whine if people run ads against you. The most telling thing is how often he says “I will” instead of “We will” If Trump is so great why can’t he lead his own party instead of fighting it.

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        Trump can not only control himself, but he is controlling the media, and the GOP. Too bad you can’t see that he is doing that by doing exactly what he has been doing, and saying things in plain simple English, that is not only resonating with the people, but other candidates too, which can be seen by the way they have changed their tone, their attacks on him, and on the issues. RINOs are choking on him, because they do not know how to be straight for-ward. They have been so corrupted, by their greed, and power, that their egos interfere with really doing what needs to be done. In a manner of speaking he is in fact leading the party, although it is not his “job” to do so, as he is a contender for that position. The GOP is fighting him, as they know that if he becomes president, there will be a major house-cleaning, and that the pigs trough will be dry.

        • bobnstuff

          Have you ever fact checked what the Donald says, really gone deep for the facts. If you have you have done more the Trump has. And yes it is his job to lead the party, if he can’t lead his party how is he going to lead the country? We elect a President not a dictator. If Mr. Trump can’t lead the party he will get nothing done in Washington. Without the support of Congress he will be another Obama, trying to run thing on EO’s. and we have seen how well that works. You may complain about the RINO’s in the party but there are more of then then true conservatives. That’s why they are in offices and that’s why they have the power. The GOP is the party plain and simple. They control the money and they make the rules. There will be no cleaning of the house this time or most likely ever, the GOP has the power still and they may bend to the right but they will not give up what they have.

          • used_to_be_a_liberal

            What the hell are you talking about. Obama, “dictator” was elected twice. So even if you are only one tiny little bit correct about Trump being a “dictator” Then for sure I will vote for Trump, just to see him get rid of every bit of Obama’s garbage.

          • bobnstuff

            You don’t know what a dictator is do you. Trump runs his business like a dictator, he runs his campaign like a dictator. He’s not a very nice man in his private life, cheated on his wives and worked hand in glove with some very bad people. These little thing do bother you? Obama’s pushing the limits is nothing like Trump would do. He has told you that time and time again. You just don’t want to hear it.

          • john jones

            do you remember john f. kennedy the biggest womanizing president in our history. a lot of men cheat on their wives mostly politicians. what is the definition of bad people every one in business and a business owner could be bad people. you work for a company and they rip you off then they are bad people. if you are a politician and steal from the tax payers then you are bad people. trump is telling people what they want to her not what he would do as president. something like Obama did when he was running in 08 and promised to unite the people of this country. have you ever seen this nation so divided.

          • bobnstuff

            The best thing that happened for JFK place in history was his getting shot. Had he lived we might not have quite the same view of him we have. He was a great man with vision but we will never know if he could have made those visions a reality.
            Mr Trump has played with the Mob, http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/index.html
            He had to in order to do business in the towns he’s worked in. He has also been involve with money laundering. http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-taj-mahal-settles-over-anti-money-laundering-violations-1423669834
            He has also been caught using illegal workers.
            http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/13/nyregion/trump-says-he-didn-t-know-he-employed-illegal-aliens.html
            http://www.examiner.com/article/donald-trump-to-anderson-cooper-questions-about-illegal-workers-is-pathetic
            He also brags about bribing politicians.

          • john jones

            all your life you have always heard that it takes a crook to deal with a crook. that is why jimmy carter was such a failure because he was too honest. sounds like the resume you gave trump would play well in d.c when you talk to crooks ever day. not to mention Hillary’s life should be high lighted in the same text as trump’s. I see no difference.

          • john jones

            all your life you have always heard that it takes a crook to deal with a crook. that is why jimmy carter was such a failure because he was too honest. sounds like the resume you gave trump would play well in d.c when you talk to crooks ever day. not to mention Hillary’s life should be high lighted in the same text as trump’s. I see no difference.

          • bobnstuff

            If Hillary was as much a crook as Trump she would be much richer then him. The problem with Trump is he isn’t a very good crock.
            http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-real-reason-donald-trump-is-so-rich/ar-AAdVKig?li=AA4Zjn&ocid=HPCDHP

          • john jones

            you have enough sense to know private business makes more money than govt. jobs. but govt. jobs don’t take the chances a business man takes in order to make his millions. what about bill gates and warren buffet if they ran for president you would find out just how many dirty deals they have pulled in their lifetime. if they were found to be honest the liberal news media would create a lie. that is why a lot of good people won’t run for president. I am not defending trump on every thing wrong he has ever done neither am I defending hillary clinton and the lies she has been caught in. you have heard the old saying if you lie you will steal. Hillary has done both when she stole furniture out of the white house when bill left Washington and she had to return it. politics is a dirty business.

          • john jones

            you have enough sense to know private business makes more money than govt. jobs. but govt. jobs don’t take the chances a business man takes in order to make his millions. what about bill gates and warren buffet if they ran for president you would find out just how many dirty deals they have pulled in their lifetime. if they were found to be honest the liberal news media would create a lie. that is why a lot of good people won’t run for president. I am not defending trump on every thing wrong he has ever done neither am I defending hillary clinton and the lies she has been caught in. you have heard the old saying if you lie you will steal. Hillary has done both when she stole furniture out of the white house when bill left Washington and she had to return it. politics is a dirty business.

          • BOC

            A lot of women probably cheat on their husbands as well, and not just politicians. Unless you can support this claim with credible citations, then we know you were just posting to be read.

            Only a small population is divided and can rid themselves of their pinned-up ignorance they were taught at their parents dinner table.

            “….promised to unite the people of this country?”

            ‘You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink’.

            A few is not a nation. This was amply demonstrated in 2009 and 2012.

          • john jones

            our govt. is not dealing with horses just stupid people that support a cause that will in return support them. a few is like a barrel of apples that have a few bad ones and tarnish the rest of the barrel. people that march and burn other people’s business have a tendency to make it look like all black people are bad. Hillary said it takes a village what a stupid statement it takes a few smarter than what is in the village.

          • john jones

            our govt. is not dealing with horses just stupid people that support a cause that will in return support them. a few is like a barrel of apples that have a few bad ones and tarnish the rest of the barrel. people that march and burn other people’s business have a tendency to make it look like all black people are bad. Hillary said it takes a village what a stupid statement it takes a few smarter than what is in the village.

          • Jerry

            bobnstuff, maybe this is what we need. What we have is not working and has not worked for many years. Trump’s dictatorship, is there is to be one, will be against the establishment with the support of the people. It is time we take back what is ours. “We the People”.

          • bobnstuff

            So the country isn’t working. That’s really kind of funny. Just what isn’t working? Do you really think a Castro or maybe a Hitler would make things better? Trump could care less about “We the People”. The only candidate that is a man of the people is Mr. Sanders.

          • BOC

            I think it’s well established that POTUS 44 is for the people the majority of the time, according to the American people in, 2009 and 2012.

          • BOC

            More Tea Party blindness at work.

          • used_to_be_a_liberal

            Listen-up Puff “n “Stuff. Modern day Dictatorships begins with socialists. Hitler, Castro, Mussolini, Che, Mao, just to name a few. They all follow the same pattern, the same set of rules, and they all have the same ideology. The only reason we aren’t there yet, is because of the Constitution, or what is left of it.
            Trump is a hundred time cleaner then Obama will ever be. Then there is the Hilda-Beast, and Commie Bernie. If you want to support those clowns go right ahead. But don’t even bother to try and convince me to go that route.

          • bobnstuff

            Hitler and Mussolini were fascist like Trump, Castro and Mao where Maxist. Che was hard line socialist. They did not share an ideology. As far as Trump being cleaner, Please look at his history. Just look at how he does business. Why is he always being sued? Ask his ex-wives about his being honest.

          • used_to_be_a_liberal

            Well if you say so. If this is the case then get ready to have your left-wit butts kicked.

          • BOC

            “…..get ready to have your left-wit butts kicked?”

            You’re dreaming or, are you wishing for it? Neither is a promising future, just a fairy tale.

          • BOC

            Did you mean: Trump is a hundred time cleaner than Obama will ever be?

            Specifically, how so? Let’s hope you’re not referring to skin color because no ‘body’ is clean. If you’re talking malfeasance while in office, what were they and support them with credible citation.

            If you’re ‘uttering’, just to hear yourself talk, we accept your apology for making a false claim(s). As for convincing you on what route to take. We understand your hesitancy, you were mislead before and still obviously lost: [no_longer_a_liberal].

          • I Seigel

            How can a “dictator” be elected? Has Obama done anything to perpetuate his rule once his term of ELECTED office is over? Have you ever taken a Civics class? Do you know anything about dictators, or the difference between fascism and communism? It’s Cyber Monday today, try to find a great deal on getting a clue.

          • john jones

            be careful what you say. Obama is pushing hard to declare martial law and stay in office.

          • I Seigel

            Really? Please give me an example or 2 of how “Obama is pushing hard to declare martial law”? And in order to declare martial law, he’ll have to have the cooperation of the military. Have you seen any indication that there’s a government-military conspiracy going on? Other than what might be “reported” by Breitbart or Limbaugh?

          • used_to_be_a_liberal

            Read my post to Puff n Stuff, and go back to your left-wit basement, but take your blinders off so as not to trip down your socialist stairs.

          • john jones

            be vigilant,open your eyes and keep up with current events. Obama since he has taken office has fired every general that didn’t agree with him and surrounded himself with yes men that won’t question his decisions. if you look upon America today you see unrest and marching,looting and burning buildings by low income uneducated,uninformed people in this country that is putting us on the verge of a civil war. when these people can no longer be contained by the police force and you can see that happening in ferguson,baltimore,san Francisco, Minnesota, Chicago and Detroit you will see the national guard called up on a large scale and Obama can and will declare martial law to stay in the white house. one question I have for you is why would he want to leave a job with free housing,food, health insurance, free transportation any where in the world and a vacation any time he chooses. would you want to give up that job.

          • john jones

            be vigilant,open your eyes and keep up with current events. Obama since he has taken office has fired every general that didn’t agree with him and surrounded himself with yes men that won’t question his decisions. if you look upon America today you see unrest and marching,looting and burning buildings by low income uneducated,uninformed people in this country that is putting us on the verge of a civil war. when these people can no longer be contained by the police force and you can see that happening in ferguson,baltimore,san Francisco, Minnesota, Chicago and Detroit you will see the national guard called up on a large scale and Obama can and will declare martial law to stay in the white house. one question I have for you is why would he want to leave a job with free housing,food, health insurance, free transportation any where in the world and a vacation any time he chooses. would you want to give up that job.

          • bobnstuff

            Obama fired nine Generals, Not because the disagreed with him so much as that we didn’t need them anymore. The military was very top heavy with the reduction of forces. If you cut 10% of your enlisted men then you cut 10% of your generals to. Yes the one that left where not his fans but when they cut jobs where you work do they keep the guys that bad mouth the boss?

          • john jones

            normally a person that has been fired is doing the bad mouthing. but you don’t usually let your top brains go instead you look for people that are not productive and not your top advisors. in our world today as you can see and read about the lost respect we have among our allies. some of this stems from firing good people and our president making bad decisions. this was similar to world war 2 when hitler would not take the advice of his ranking generals. as of now we have 2 people that lead their perspective parties and neither one of them would make good leaders. we are in a sad and dangerous state.

          • bobnstuff

            These guys where not his top advisers, in fact it was his top advisers that decided who would go. These Generals where not top men but middle management. A top general has star on their shoulders usually more the one. When the services were down sized officers as well as enlisted men were cut, about 10% each. As far as respect of our allies we have more now then ever. People out
            side our country can’t understand why Obama is treated the way he is
            here.

          • john jones

            normally a person that has been fired is doing the bad mouthing. but you don’t usually let your top brains go instead you look for people that are not productive and not your top advisors. in our world today as you can see and read about the lost respect we have among our allies. some of this stems from firing good people and our president making bad decisions. this was similar to world war 2 when hitler would not take the advice of his ranking generals. as of now we have 2 people that lead their perspective parties and neither one of them would make good leaders. we are in a sad and dangerous state.

          • I Seigel

            It doesn’t pay all that well.

          • john jones

            400,000 dollars is chump change to Obama per year but throw in his benefits and he makes over a million. but still that amount of money is small compared to his book sales and money he gets from lobbyist for favors that me and you will never know about. but look at him h has aged 20 years in the last 7 of his presidency. I think his heart is good but his nature to stubborn to listen to god advice.

          • I Seigel

            So it sounds like you DO understand why he wouldn’t want to remain in office past his term.

          • john jones

            400,000 dollars is chump change to Obama per year but throw in his benefits and he makes over a million. but still that amount of money is small compared to his book sales and money he gets from lobbyist for favors that me and you will never know about. but look at him h has aged 20 years in the last 7 of his presidency. I think his heart is good but his nature to stubborn to listen to god advice.

          • BOC

            Are they still giving Limbaugh the microphone, my wife wants to know? If so, what sponsors are left to pay for it? We know Breitbart is dead and so is that rag they call, political reading. Very Faux pas, indeed.

          • I Seigel

            Oh yeah, Slimebaugh still has a mic and sponsors to pay for it. And shit-for-brains to listen.

          • BOC

            I’d like to see you support this with credible proof, other than the convoluted barking of Dr. Ben Carson and a CDN tabloid.

          • john jones

            do you take time to recognize what is going on in this country. have you in your life time ever seen such civil unrest among the American people. you can’t say any thing constructive with out being called a racist. every one is at someone’s throat over small things that use to be over looked law and order has been stalled due to no support from your president. when law and order breaks down and you can see it erode then the military is called upon to restore order. this is when martial law is declared and Obama can not be removed from the white house. in ferguson you saw national guard troops deployed to squell the riots caused by people that don’t respect the law cancer has to start some how and some where and it is evident it is starting in cities that can’t control the masses.

          • john jones

            do you take time to recognize what is going on in this country. have you in your life time ever seen such civil unrest among the American people. you can’t say any thing constructive with out being called a racist. every one is at someone’s throat over small things that use to be over looked law and order has been stalled due to no support from your president. when law and order breaks down and you can see it erode then the military is called upon to restore order. this is when martial law is declared and Obama can not be removed from the white house. in ferguson you saw national guard troops deployed to squell the riots caused by people that don’t respect the law cancer has to start some how and some where and it is evident it is starting in cities that can’t control the masses.

          • BOC

            J2 you’re on the wrong side of this one. Step back and look at the forest instead of the trees.

          • john jones

            you are correct the stink is coming from some of the trees in the forest. it distorts the view.

          • john jones

            you are correct the stink is coming from some of the trees in the forest. it distorts the view.

          • bobnstuff

            Hitler was elected.

          • I Seigel

            He wasn’t a dictator when he was elected. He dissolved the government (or it burned down) after he was in office.

          • BOC

            POTUS 44’s garbage is ‘Sweet Perfume’ compared to the smell of his predecessor’s. Just ask the American people who wanted a second ‘whiff’ of it.

            We definitely don’t want a redux smell of 2001-2009 which was a economic and foreign relations dictatorship disaster.

          • Jerry

            bobnstuff, When you see that Congress has an approval rating of 3% and the President not much more should really indicate that change is needed. Trump if elected will have the most powerful support, the support of the people. This is the only way I can think of to change the crookedness of Washington and the Press.

          • I Seigel

            And when Obama took office he had the strong support of 1/2 the population. The largest turnout in history at his inauguration. If Trump is elected, he’ll have the enthusiastic support of 1/2 the population, too. It’s what comes after that’s significant.

          • BOC

            Not going to happen!

          • bobnstuff
          • BOC

            Correction!

            The President’s approval rating is around 50%.

            “Trump if elected will have the most powerful support, the support of the people?”

            The Koch Brothers and the GOP can’t control him and Sheldon Adelson is a business competitor. So what powerful support are you speaking of? Donald said he was ‘Solo’ many times.

            Are you dreaming again, or is this more of you’re ‘wishing and hoping?’

            Funny, you didn’t whine about the crookedness of Washington and the Press, when the last recession , the Wall Street and Mortgage Meltdown hit our shores.

          • BOC

            What facts?

            What party? There’s too much divisiveness within, which is representative of the fifteen or so running from this conservative party.

            No one from this party, including the one responsible for operating it [“Reince” Priebus] has asked the hard question: How do we eliminate the “Hollywood/Entertainment” factor from the political campaign component, because that’s what the American people are witnessing and experiencing at these so-called debates.

            The majority are not interested in getting caught up in something that’s not seriously addressing how can we build on what has been arduously established by the current administration. Why? Because we are not going back to the days of POTUS 43 or possibly worse, if we had to rely on what the are serving-up .

        • BOC

          Well, a GOP clean-up was inevitable. Most unfortunate they are far from the realm of political prime-time. The damage they have cause this country and it’s people is unfathomable.

      • Louisiana Lady

        You can’t lead a renegade animal anywhere, and the RINOS have made their hatred of Trump apparent since Day 1. The RINOS started the fight, not Trump, who even signed the Republican “pledge” to try to make things right. The Republican Party is going the way of the Whigs because they have betrayed the citizens of this country.

        • I Seigel

          The RINOS also made their hatred of Obama apparent since Day 1. So I guess we can conclude that RINOS are close-minded haters? I’m not sure I see the difference, then, between RINOS and True Constitutional Christian Conservatives.

          • Louisiana Lady

            Strange, how did Obama get elected with a very large percentage of the white vote? This is closed minded RINO hatred? Bigotry? More like baloney!
            Boehner and McConnell became lapdogs, not enemies of Obama, to their shame. And you, my friend, need a refresher course in critical thinking.

          • I Seigel

            A “very large percentage of the white vote” could be explained by a large turnout of white Democrats and Independents, don’t you think? It had NOTHING to do with RINOs – bigotry or hatred notwithstanding. Where is YOUR critical thinking? My friend.

          • BOC

            President Obama was elected by the majority of voters in both elections, plain and simple.

            I think conservatives should be very concerned about their party’s direction and future. I seems they are looking for a new identity and that’s understandable after the tea party epidemic hit them, lingered and has begun to overtake the GOP decision-making process.

          • I Seigel

            It would seem conservative insiders agree with you.
            Here is an opinion piece by Juan Williams, Fox News contributor, published on “The Hill”, a conservative website:

            http://thehill.com/opinion/juan-williams/261423-juan-williams-the-gop-at-breaking-point

          • BOC

            Your first mistake: Faux Pas

            Your second mistake: Juan Williams

            Overall: Republican’s cannot control the membership in their ranks and are disablers when it comes to honestly serving the American people. They deal in lies on a consistent basis because they think it’s okay to do so, no repercussions.

            GOP leaders delivered the sweeping spending proposal to the Democrats on Tuesday evening that has government shutdown, riddled with riders all over it. They have again, threatened to cripple their own government which they shut-down for 15 days in October, 2013. During that shutdown, approximately 800,000 federal employees were indefinitely furloughed, and another 1.3 million were required to report to work without known payment dates. They came close to almost doing it again since then.

          • BOC

            All these new fangled labels [True Constitutional Christian Conservatives]. Where do they all come from?

          • I Seigel

            I believe that came from Sherry, one of the contributors to this thread and others here. Sherry, I believe, is also the same person who claims that Mussolini was a liberal and was executed by the Italians for not being conservative enough.

      • Jerry

        bobnstuff, maybe he’s saying what he’s saying because he knows the majority feels the press is self serving and the crooked politicians are self serving. It comes down to vote for me and I’ll do what I can to straighten out that crap. He is the only one telling the truth. Three cheers for Trump/Cruz.

        • bobnstuff

          It would be one thing if he was telling the truth but he’s not. He is the king of half truths misinformation and out right lies. He saw people tailgating on 9/11, which didn’t happen. Here is why I know it didn’t happen because at the time the twin towers fell we didn’t know who were flying the planes. Plus it was in the morning, not a time for tailgating. He wants to build a wall, and says the Mexicans will pay for it, do you believe the Mexicans would pay for it or that Trump could get them to when he can’t get them to pay the bill he sent them? He’s very exciting as a speaker but think about what he is saying and see just how much makes sense.

          • Jerry

            bobnstuff, Trump would make the country of Mexico pay for the wall through trade agreements. The power of the purse.

          • bobnstuff

            Do you believe that the Mexicans would agree to it? Yes we do a lot of trade with Mexico but it goes both ways and a trade embargo would hurt a lot of American companies. Mexico has already said that they wouldn’t do it. Here are some facts, There are more Mexicans leaving the US then coming in. A lot of the refugees form other countries are stopped by the Mexicans before they get to our borders. Mexico is our allies in this.

          • BOC

            Do you think Jerry is on his payroll, or wants to be? The stuff coming out of Trump’s and the Dr.’s. mouth, is truly amazing to me and the majority of others. How can someone pontificate in such a fashion?

        • I Seigel

          Wait! And you don’t think Trump is self-serving?!?!?! Trump is more about protecting his brand. That’s why he came out and said that he doesn’t want to lose in Iowa, and if he loses – or drops significantly in the polls – he will end his campaign. He wants to be seen as a winner. Carson, too, cares more about Carson, Inc and his book deals and his speaking fees than he does about his campaign. That’s where his TRUE interests – and income – lie. Both of them are self-serving businessmen who don’t know and don’t care to know very much about world affairs, diplomacy, or subjects that they don’t make money from.

          • Jerry

            I Seigel, you just described politicians. Of course Trump is self serving. What we expect will happen Trump will bring America back and that will make him the HERO. He will brag for years that he did it. That’s fine with me.

          • I Seigel

            It’s unfortunate that you used the word “back”, because that’s exactly what at least 1/2 the population is afraid of: That he’ll take America back to the time of fascist Germany and fear-mongering 1942 America and 1950s Red Scare America.

        • BOC

          Lets define truth: that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.

          Hmmn! Nothing in this definition identifies a republican.

      • BOC

        I can answer that. When your own house isn’t clean, these (GOP) people have a tendency to tell others how to clean theirs. They certainly try to tell others how to spend their own (Tax) money and will fight for control of something they never fairly contribute into.

    • BOC

      Who is THEY?
      What Gravy Train has Trump claimed?
      What ruler’s?
      What strange concept?

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        are you really that dense, or is the left-wit side of your brain in panic mode?

        • BOC

          In other words you’re just ranting and blowing-off some steam. You’re Not referencing anything in particular, just what’s in that brain of yours. This is why we start to get the ‘name calling’ from you, to deflect from your empty library.

          • used_to_be_a_liberal

            hey jerk, Clinton has two lower lips you can suckle, or how about Bernie, he can give you a big hug.
            Enjoy the name calling, you left-wits have taught us very well. Now that the tide is turning, your ilk should start screaming.

          • BOC

            So, you’re frustrated with nothing constructive to say, I get that. How can the tide be turning in favor of a house that is in disarray. The GOP stated the 2016 presidential race with 18 ‘B’ candidates. This exemplifies the dynamics within the republican party today. Watching them compete is like watching SNL.

          • BOC

            Nobody called you a name. It’s you’re mentality echoing back at you. e.g. “hey jerk,….”

    • BOC

      “they will actually have to work for the people, and not themselves, what a strange concept that is?”

      Sounds like the track-record of House Republican leadership. Have you ever looked at their work schedule? Go back to when Eric Cantor was the scheduler.

  • VAM

    They are beyond Rinos they are disgusting traitors. Vote them out.

  • ward

    Typical CA illogical stupidity & D.R. has proven the tag of RINO to the libtard type we have in congress & any other support of a wannabe dictator like bo !

  • billwhit

    Piss on the GOP Establishment of RINO’s! I vote for Conservative values, not for Party because the GOP no longer represents real Conservatives today, but more of the Country Club snob group, while the godless and worthless Democratic Party resembles 3rd World Tyranny, neither looking very “American” nowadays. TRUMP/CRUZ 2016!

    • william couch

      DAMN RIGHT! TRUMP 2016.

      • marshmil

        Ditto william couch

        • william couch

          If I remember correctly, they did the same thing to Reagan.

          • Bernie Evans

            lol…
            Comparing Reagan to Trump, I love it!
            Finally, Reagan gets his honest due and apropos likeness…
            Sad that enough Americans, back then (including me, thank God, God forgiveth), bought into the Madness; we won’t again…

        • BOC

          The blind, leading the blind.

          • Bernie Evans

            Right. Repubs leading Republicans; amen, BOC…
            Why in the world is any website these days allowing anonymous posting?
            Oh, dat’s right; righties won’t put their name to their opinion; can ya blame ’em?
            lol

          • Lougjr1

            Hew dude, how come so many communists are named Bernie ?

          • Bernie Evans

            Oh, there you are, Louiegirl…
            One always knows when one is debating righties; they go personal quick-like…aka:
            Loser Syndrome:
            Striking righties since Liberal Dominance per Obama, circa 2008…
            REALLY, since Clinton Dominance, circa 1992…
            THEY’RE BAAAACK…
            lol

          • Bernie Evans

            By the way: that’s the best you can do, “communist”?
            lol
            They were spray-painting “commie pinko” on me pa’s front porch in the 60’s and 70’s…
            Da GOPers really are stuck in the past…
            And lacking creativity; no wonder you guys can no longer secure the White House…
            lol
            YAY!

      • Climax

        Trump, Cruse, or Carson, I would like to see all three being the new leaders of American and perhaps we can bring the ship off the rocks in time to save it.

        • william couch

          That would be a landslide ticket!! :):):)

          • Bernie Evans

            Like I said, Delusional…

          • william couch

            GOT some excellent motha, want some!

          • Bernie Evans

            One can always tell when one is debating righties: They come unglued pronto…aka:
            Loser Syndrome…
            Coming unglued is the first cousin of going personal…
            Same result:
            Loser Syndrome…
            lol

          • 2T3onefive

            You sure have the mind of a child.

          • 2T3onefive

            You’re on to something here William, perhaps they are OD’ng on it.

          • Artemis

            Self-descriptive

          • BOC

            Stop dreaming.

        • Bernie Evans

          Oh my Jesus! You guys are delusional.
          I, hereby, promise and swear, Trump nor Cruz, nor Carcinogen will EVER be prez…
          lol

          • firftrmark

            So every comment you include “delusional”. You got anything of substance other than your false consensual bias?

        • ROHBAR

          I believe they would all be great in! I believe Cruz is very Constitutional conservative!

          • bobnstuff

            Ted isn’t a leader, he’s a lone wolf. Trump is a dictator and the good Doctor is in over his head. There are conservative leaders out there but these guys are not the ones you should be looking at.

          • Lougjr1

            Wrong again, these people are exactly the ones you should be looking for. They represent the rank and file of the American people. Government of the people , by the people and for the people. Not the elite crooked politicians that only think about their power and their own well being. Those who don’t believe it should get a good education !!

          • bobnstuff

            Over the year I have hired thousands of people for all kinds of jobs. I would hire Ted as my lawyer but not as a manager. Trump would have been a no hire and the Good Doctor would be put into HR. There is not one of the republicans running that I would hire as President. I keep hoping someone will step up that can do the job. Right now I see no application for the job worth hiring.

          • Lougjr1

            Sorry Bob, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Anyone of these are more qualified than any Democrat in the USA, period !

          • bobnstuff

            I don’t see any. republican or democrat that I want as president. Sorry but everyone that has applied would get a pass if I was hiring. It look like it’s the lesser of two evils once again. There are democrats and republicans out there that would make good President but they are smart enough not to run and be abused by the press and their own party.

          • Artemis

            I agree with you except for the fact that they are NOT Democrats..Truth be known “Communists” fits better!

          • firftrmark

            Lmao,,No Republican? So you would hire Hillary or Bernie…lol how the xxx would you stay in business! Hillary would lie her way into your position and fire you and Bernie would give everything away and bankrupt you.

          • bobnstuff

            Did you not read my post? I said no republican or democrat.

          • Juanito Ibañez, TopCop1988

            So who does that leave, Bob — “None of the Above”?

          • bobnstuff

            Pretty much. I will vote for the lesser of two evils but if the republican make me vote democratic iI will not be happy about it.

          • bobnstuff

            Pretty much. I will vote for the lesser of two evils but if the republican make me vote democratic iI will not be happy about it.

          • Juanito Ibañez, TopCop1988

            So, Bob: tell us which one of the Democrat Party’s candidates you’d hire for President.

          • bobnstuff

            O’Malley, So far he hasn’t done anything really stupid but give him time. I’m sure he will.

        • BOC

          First and foremost you have to have the ability to identify new leaders who know how to lead. these people are green and selfish.

          As for bringing a ship off the rocks. The consequences of high unemployment, falling incomes, and reduced economic activity can have lasting consequences.

          That’s what happened under ‘W’ Bush. He and his miscreants, not only left death and destruction, they left economic disaster as well.

          His successor, President and Nobel Laureate, Barack H. Obama fought conservative oppressors and obstructionists ‘tooth and nail’ to stop the economic hemorrhaging and gain some resemblance of economic stability.

          I don’t hear people complaining about gas prices or jobs today. Why? Because they all are vastly improving. There aren’t any body-bags coming into our airports under the cover of darkness any longer. Wall Street isn’t ripping-off peoples 401K’s and pensions at alarming rates. By-the-way, shouldn’t they be replacing them? Where are the law suits?

          • Lougjr1

            Wow, talk about delusional, you obviously must work for the government because 30% of blacks are out of work or working 3 jobs to survive. I know because I work with them ! I go by facts that I can verify, not by the government lying to make themselves look good !

          • firftrmark

            Blacks haven’t progressed since the inception of fighting the war on poverty. That’s the left for you, they are waging the war on poverty just as they are on ISSI.. lol

          • BOC

            Ah! Lougjr1, you’re barking up the wrong tree. I agree with what you just said here.

          • 2T3onefive

            Good post!

          • firftrmark

            Lmao still blaming Bush,that’s rich.

          • BOC

            When someone leaves a historic mess of things entrusted to him by the American people, it’s not easily sweep under the rug. In ‘W’ Bush’s case, he left not only carnage in his wake but also a financial mess of historical proportions that still requires attention. You place the blame where it rightfully belongs. Come to terms with it.

            That’s the trouble with you republicans. There’s no shame or sacrifice in your game. You never own-up to the Colossal mistakes and miscreant deeds you brought to the American people who had faith in you because they thought you cared for this country and not just yourselves.

            I think the last two Presidential elections bare this out.

          • firftrmark

            Lol your rendition. Like all Presidencies no one can foresee the problems they will face. For one 9/11 was a BIG FD , as ole Joe put it and that one event surely helped get the ball rolling. All G.W.s fault? Congress had nothing to do with it? Easy to place blame on this or that but there is plenty of blame to go around left and right. It sure is convenient to have the blame card . Boo Hoo it was so messed up,,Boo Hoo it was his fault Boo Hoo. Easy to see why nothing has improved when the President does not address it . Instead he ignores the economy and goes on a activist social justice binge . Well his reign is coming to an end, and hope is someone gets in office that actually cares for all Americans . You can keep what the left is offering. Nothing but more of the same infighting and waging of wars on this cause or that cause. Just as elections before ..it’s the economy and jobs ! And as before as it always has been the tide has turned . Dr Ben Carson is the one !

          • BOC

            We don’t have keep harping on W. Bush shortcomings or the economic disaster he left our country in. You need to have that denial disease treated by a psychiatrist. It takes Dr Ben Carson one half hour to complete a sentence. Only the tea party is accustomed to this type of dialog.

          • 2T3onefive

            Yes, to the bottom of the pit with over 10 Trillion in debt all by himself and counting. Obama without any doubt legacy’s will be the worst lying president in the history of this Nation, try hard to shift to first gear and get out of ‘W’ Bush’s case, will you?

          • BOC

            Yeah! You would love for me to get off ‘W’ Bush’s case, wouldn’t you. The truth is a ‘bitter pill to swallow’ isn’t it.

            All of the federal government’s efforts to stem the tide in the financial meltdown that began with the subprime mortgage crisis have added hundreds of billions of dollars to our national debt. Ten Trillion plus is what the Obama administration faced and this figure kept growing until POTUS 44 was able to put the brakes on it. The growing chorus on both sides of the aisle was that without fiscal reform, the United States government may face a debt crisis of its own which makes the current financial situation pale in comparison. This is how we arrived at 2×10 which would have been much worse. That’s how deep the financial ‘abyss’ was under the Crawford Texas cowboy.

          • BOC

            Our fiscal policy should be to address the most pressing economic challenge confronting the country by supporting job growth and finally achieving a full recovery from the Great Recession created by W. Bush.

            The U.S. economy is forfeiting $900 billion in annualized income simply because there
            remains from the W. Bush years, deficient aggregate demand for goods and services. Filling in this demand shortfall requires reversing the current march toward austerity initiated by republicans and using federal spending to boost, and not drag on, economic growth.

            We need fiscal policies that boost middle-class living standards to ensure the middle class is able to claim a larger share of overall economic growth. Solving the jobs crisis in the near term and then reversing inequality are the highest priorities. We are about the business of Achieving a full recovery from the Great Recession created by the W. Bush administration.

          • BOC

            By the way, that made many (90%) of us poor, not rich (1-10%) as you stated.

          • BOC

            You’re the only one laughing. People are still pissed-off about their 401 K’s and pensions. Oh and the loss of their homes. Now that’s POOR.

          • firftrmark

            Enough blame for all politicians to go around for the housing bubble You know how many people are pissed about their healthcare and that can be laid squarely on the dems. Oh it was soooo bad we still haven’t turned around after 7 years and still getting poorer.More people that ever still having to depend on government and middle income hasn’t done nothing but go down. Keep blaming .

          • BOC

            Over 20 million people love PPACA, try taking it from them.

            You seem to keep
            forgetting the focus here. The mission was and still is, “middle-out economics.” Economic policy should
            aim first and foremost to boost middle-class living standards. You want
            us to ignore actual data to diagnose the real problems affecting—and potential
            solutions for—middle-class living standards. This isn’t going to happen,
            we’re still in a recovery mode and republicans are not capable of addressing
            these problems, which they created, with acceptable solutions.

            They can’t even keep their own house in order, how could you expect them to maintain someone else’s? They can’t even agree on anything among themselves, let alone present solutions to the fictitious problems they claim exist. Aside from the tea party infestation, they had eighteen ‘B’ level players vying for a high-level seat, without the required prerequisites. Will the real ‘A’ candidates please step up. Oh! That’s right, they’ve been put out to pasture and no one bothered grooming for the future. Should we blame Ronald or Herbert? Dan Quayle didn’t quite work out and neither did Junior. The outside Messiah, ‘Mitt,’ got ahead of himself along with his moneymen.

          • firftrmark

            “Over 20 million people love PPACA” sorry lefty you cannot speak for anyone . Lmao You forget ? IT IS THE LAW. Because they are forced to purchase something by law,,,somehow they love? What stupidity. Having insurance is not healthcare . Try taking it from them? Yes, take it from the ones that had insurance they paid for and were happy with , only to find out ,,,they were lied too and lost it and now have to pay more for less. Nice spin. The rest of your comment is leftist nonsense. I being (or was) middle-class and losing put the blame squarely on where it belongs…tax and spend democraps.

          • BOC

            A good law and if there was a opt out clause no one would opt out but a few which would include you or would it?

          • firftrmark

            But of course I would! That’s how it worked before and worked fine . It will again be that way. Even with the law . The well off will pay and get whatever care they need as they did in the USSR and how they do it N Korea or Cuba. Only so many can support all . The stupidity is the thinking those providing will be happy and go along until they are in the same boat. Reality! Hey I am all for helping. I get the intentions are well meaned . But the storm will come believe me. Good luck.

          • BOC

            There has never been a storm because of these programs. The latest storms we have experienced,is when the economy shrank in five quarters, including four quarters in a row. Two quarters contracted more than 5%, including 4th quarter in 2008 which fell a whopping 8.2%, more than any other recession since the Great Depression. The recession ended in the 4th quarter in 2009, when GDP turned positive, thanks to the economic stimulus package which was nothing more than a business social program for companies and corporations, not individuals.

            I don’t believe in luck.

          • BOC

            There has never been a storm of the type you are claiming. I do not believe in luck.

          • BOC

            Go read the law and also how successful the program has become. You don’t see people pounding on their state capital doors protesting about PPACA. Only the misinformed, like you are whimpering on deaf ears.

          • firftrmark

            You can bloviate all you like the economy is not exactly being kind to people and national security is coming to the forefront and hey face it…dems are losing on that also. They had their chance and people want a change. The pendulum has come back. You can scream Bush all you like ..you will never convince those poor still struggling.

          • BOC

            Empty indeed!

            That’s how the Crawford-Jackson Hole cowboys and their miscreants, left the US economy and our personal nesteggs. National Security was fine until the cowboy made it personal. Once you stir-up a hornet’s nest it’s a long process trying to bring it back to it’s normal state.

            It’s comical how republicans try to claim amnesia and never ‘own-up’ to anything. The only people that want a change is the 1-10 % , who use people like you because they need volume votes to win if they can’t steal a victory like in 2000. After you do their bidding they dispose you because they know you’re ‘wannabe’s’ that they can manipulate to do their bidding.

            Are you crazy? The pendulum will never come back to the way it was in 2002 -2009, no-way. The economic ‘Twilight-Zone’ is not the majority of people’s cup of tea. Two Wars/bodybags, DoD$$$, Wall Street/Mortgage/401K Melt-down, 9/11, Ignore Bin Laden-go after Hussien, Swope Mfg jobs for Service jobs, Everyone should live on less……….the list is long, but the poor are still struggling and have not forgotten.

          • firftrmark

            My you just described the left to a T. But let me make one thing clear .YOU do not have the right to speak for those brave men and women who volunteered and made the ultimate sacrifice for their country . Glaring how the military respected G.W. and they do not B.O. isnt it? I do no ones bidding and can plainly see what is going on and frankly, I am the one that knows what is best for myself and my family. No manufacturing can be put on the leftists that think they know whats best for all. The pendulum has come back and you can deny it all you like ,,,people are not buying your snake oil after 7 years of continuing misery. Time for you to face reality.

          • BOC

            Oh! I have the right to speak for those brave men and women who were sent to wars that should not have been because others thought they were expendable. I can speak for the brave men ad women shipped back to the states in bodybags in the dark of night with no honor guard or access from media or other ceremonial respect authorized by W. Bush.I can speak when we all know that in Dick ‘Halliburton/KBR’s’ Cheneys mine those dead heroes were nothing but ‘collateral damage’ and the ‘cost of getting business done’ for the very few cronies who never wore a uniform.

            Manufacturing? What are trying to say need clarity here. The pendulum come back is wishful thinking. I don’t believe in a wishes. Snake Oil is what the ‘cowboy and the Jackson Hole’ guy was selling and look what it got us the financial and economic data was very clear. Maybe you should try some Visine.

          • 2T3onefive

            ISIS is about to knock on your door, complements from your President and Nobel Laureate, Barack H. Obama. By the way, Nobel Laureate of what?

          • BOC

            You’re paranoid and delusional.
            “By the way, Nobel Laureate of what?”

            Google it. Do some research and educate yourself.

          • BOC

            Google it!

        • BOC

          So, you been on Mars these past seven years.

      • Bernie Evans

        Go, Trump, go!
        Hillary will easily smoke that creepy-freaky…
        lol

        • ROHBAR

          killary is a marxist pig! like your barack Hussein alias the liar barry soetoro!

          • bobnstuff

            As I keep pointing out you need to learn the meaning of Marxist. Hillary is a capitalist through and through. Obama isn’t even close to being a good socialist. If you want to call them names get the names right.

          • 2T3onefive

            Rohbar! please have some consideration to pigs, they have more respect than Hillary.

          • ROHBAR

            Your right 2T3onefive, I do not know what got into me to shame the pigs!

        • 2T3onefive

          Doubtful. This woman has blood in her hands along with her hubby.

      • BOC

        Not going to happen.Selfish values are now obsolete and do not represent the majority of voters.

    • marshmil

      Ditto to that billwhit. Trump/Cruz 2016

      • BOC

        What country, certainly not this one.

        • marshmil

          Say what?

          • BOC

            Trump/Cruz 2016? Ain’t gonna happen.

    • 2T3onefive

      Excellent post friend, God bless.

      • BOC

        Yes, God does bless. But not this combination, they will not advocate for the poor. Is Belial your ancestor?

        • 2T3onefive

          Focus BOC, focus on reality. The poor will ALWAYS be among us, and many of them will NOT even make an effort to improve or do anything to change their situation. I come from very, very humble beginnings and trough hard work and sacrifice accomplished a decent life without constant or even permanent “advocate” help from the Government as so many now days expect it as a rightful entitlement.
          No BOC, I am not an ancestor of Belial, I am a FREE man, free from hand downs from government or politicians, that is exactly how they buy your vote and soul, as an old saying goes, “throw a bone to a dog and it is yours for life!”
          Honor and Respect God, The Constitution, and the Laws of this land and you will understand. Good day!

          • BOC

            “help from the Government as so many now days expect it as a rightful entitlement?”

            Everyone knows by now that this is a total misconception, what’s taking you so long? This is not 1964.

            “Honor and Respect God, The Constitution, and the Laws of this land and you will understand?”

            You’re just rambling along and we forgive you. I am a clergyman.

          • 2T3onefive

            Truth hurts, does it not? You are a clergyman? please don’t forgive me, I am doing fine and I repeat “Honor and Respect God, The Constitution, and the Laws of this land and you will understand.” I’ll keep on rambling those words.

    • 7papa7

      I totally agree with Cruz, he is great but I am not comfortable with Trump. The ticket I would like to see is Cruz/Gowdy. Gohmert for AG, Moore and Levin the next SCOTUS justices etc.

      • ROHBAR

        Gowdy is really great he knows the Constitution and he could make the leftists suck their garbage!

        • 7papa7

          I think that they could turn the country around pretty quickly. They are both on the same page and Gowdy could have a far more active part in the administration with no fear of stupidity ruling.

          • bobnstuff

            They could take use around to 2008 again, the glory days of the republican party.

        • marshmil

          Or Trey G. as Attorney General. We need to halt the current runaway government and put it back on the Constitutional track. The un-Americans and non-Americans are doing everything they can to switch it to Marxism/Alinskyism.

          • ROHBAR

            Total agreement to many not educated on what the Constitution is and what a Republic is! Thank that to leftist demonrats & rino’s!

      • BOC

        So, you’re a Carnival Barker as well.

        • 2T3onefive

          No BOC, he is more informed and educated and a patriot.

          • BOC

            Informed?
            Educated?
            Patriot?

    • BOC

      aYes were are godless, but we are not GODless. By the way Ted Cruz is nothing more than a mere ‘Carnival Barker’.

      • Bernie Evans

        All R candy-dates are carnival barkers…

      • billwhit

        Sounds like that job suits you best – Carnival Barker! And if your a Democrat, you seem to forget that your Party deliberately kicked God out of their Platform, Twice, in 2012! Now, go Bark some more, you seem well suited for it.

        • BOC

          I think it was ‘W’ Bush who used God to garner votes. But the Christians caught-on to him, unfortunately too late. But they made his party pay the price in 2009 and 2012.

          • billwhit

            And then the Godless Democrats won, yes, the disgusting party that deliberately kicked God from their Platform, Twice, in 2012! Anytime there is a lack of Jesus, Satan prevails, as can easily be seen within the Democratic Party today, and in their policies.

          • BOC

            Your very confused. There is nothing christian about how the republican’s operate. Their claims of being Christian is pure blasphemy and in the end God will punish them.

          • billwhit

            Oh, no doubt that many Republicans will be punished when our Lord and Savior comes back, just like all other groups of people. But, at least the Republican Party did not go so low as to actually Vote GOD out of their Party Platform, as the Democrats did, Twice, in 2012, or does your small Leftist Mind allow you to remember back that long? Seems Democrats have a tendency to forget what they have done in the past, such as when Jimmy Carter used the Statutory Authority USC§1182 in 1979 against Iran, even kicked a lot of Iranian students our of the USA. But now that Trump has brought up doing the same thing with the Syrian Refugees, now the Party of Loons, Democrats, are raising hell for the same thing Jimmy did! Truly a Party of American Hating, Satan Worshiping Scum just like Islam!

          • BOC

            Stop reading ‘The Blaze’ and those other tabloids, they mess your brain up more than it already is. That platform was amended three years ago to include God and Jerusalem which were unintentionally excluded in their document language.

            It’s well established that the republican party uses religion as a cover and to secure conservative votes only. This came to light in the final two years of the W. Bush administration at which time ‘real’ Christians and seniors abandoned him and his juveniles.

            I’m not a Leftist. I’ve been evaluated and registered as being ‘straight-down-the-middle,’ on the Nolan Curve.

            Jimmy Carter with approval from Congress, used the Statutory Authority USC§1182 in 1979 against Iran. Trump has done nothing because he does not have the authority to do so and will never get it without congress. But first he has to get to the white house which is highly unlikely.

            You’re becoming ‘unglued.’ Please gather up and control your emotions.

          • billwhit

            Too little too late is what that is! Just the thought that an American Party would even consider kicking God under the Bus is sickening and put a horribly black mark on the Democratic Party of Lies. Now, go back to lapping up your MSLSD Vomit, you seem to be neck deep in it and loving it.

          • BOC

            In other words, you’re lost for words.

          • billwhit

            What seems to be your major malfunction? You say your not a Leftist but you certainly appear to be one! So, you have been evaluated? What, for a Mental Derangement? You are right about Carter using the Statutory Authority against Iran, also, FDR used it against Japan and Germany during WW2. That is exactly what I have been saying, so what’s your point? Seems you may have a bad case of a Liberal Disease called Diarrhea of the Mouth.

          • BOC

            No! My mouthwash seems to be working. But yours…………….

          • billwhit

            So, apparently you don’t know what you are, huh? A Kasich or Hillary fan?

          • BOC

            I know exactly who and what I am. A very honest and straightforward man.

          • BOC

            Unhinged!

          • billwhit

            Not surprising with all the RINO Scum within the GOP, but the GOP is as bad and corrupt as the Democratic Leftists, not worth spitting on! None of them are true Conservatives, only a handful of the younger generation are, but the rest are RINOS who should join the Democratic Party.

          • BOC

            Why, because you think the tea party is going to take over the GOP? We don’t want any contaminants in our party. I recommend that those so-called RHINO’s you are referring to, step-up and eradicate that cancer in their party. That be ‘YOU.’

          • billwhit

            So, now your claiming to be GOP? Whatever you are, your a mental case. No wonder everyone ignores you, lol! Now, run along and go play with one of your goats.

          • BOC

            No I’m not. Stop reading into what I have posted. Oh! I have too many approvals on this thread and I’m waiting on you to get some as well, which doesn’t seem to be happening. I can’t believe you went there.

          • BOC

            It must be real frustrating to you, threading this thread alone.

          • BOC

            This sounds like a man afraid to look in the mirror. What party is notorious for oppressing the poor by cutting and eliminating social programs? By the way those programs are funded by taxpayer’s dollars that republicans tend to dog or are reluctant to pay their ‘fair-share.’ Yet they are the first to obstruct these funds by crying ‘foul.’ Conservatives are of the mind that if they can starve out their opposition or hinder their education, they can’t or will not focus on voting.

          • billwhit

            You have drowned in that bucket of Liberal Lies, haven’t you! Conservatives believe in working for what you get! Do you think you deserve to be taken care of even though you do nothing but whine and bitch constantly? No one is owed anything unless you work for it, but, of course, that is hard for the mentally deranged Liberal Mind to wrap itself around. You think because you were born, you deserve Freebies, and for what? Because your too lazy to get off your butt and work? We believe in taking care of those who need it, but not taking care of idiots because they are too damn lazy to lift a finger to help themselves, and that is exactly what the Zombies of the Democratic Party are, they are bought Votes, sold their souls to the Democrats to receive a Freebie! That is truly pathetic! Even the Bible says – 2 Thessalonians 3:10 – For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: If a man will not work, he shall not eat.

          • BOC

            I think first and foremost, you should ditch those false labels. Those seeking assistance come from all walks of life and political parties. Maybe you should step back a take a couple of deep breaths before posting again. You seem to think that people who disagree and/or dialog with you are economically disadvantaged or need a hand-out. Convoluted indeed or is it because you are a follower accustomed to taking orders, not giving them? Don’t answer this because I’m only interested in the truth.

          • billwhit

            You sound like one of those Leftist Loons who try and act like they are more educated, intelligent, more worldly, etc, than everyone else. Typical sign of Leftist Mental Derangement. I am sure we will hear about all the titles and diplomas you have next, right? Most people like yourself love to say they have the “Professor” title, which is one title the Left has truly worn out, lol! Conservatives are willing to help all people that need help, but not the professional Leeches, which the Left is made up of many of that type, too lazy to work, refuse to work, but wants to suck off the taxpayer tit. Yes, of course, people of all walks of life have hard times, now and then, and should be helped, but only until they can get back on their feet, then the handouts stop. But sewer scum like BLM idiots only want to riot and demonstrate, raising cain because they don’t get enough Freebies. If your Lazy, you deserve nothing! If you don’t want to work, you can starve. So, what is your point? You think the Lazy should be taken care of and never have to work? If so, then your a typical Leftist Loon and maybe you should not reply until you can do so in an intelligent manner, willing to admit that everyone should be responsible for their own life.

          • BOC

            OKAY! OKAY! So you misposted when you made an attempt to label me lazy and a social misfit.

            “Conservatives are willing to help all people that need help, but not the professional Leeches, which the Left is made up of many of that type, too lazy to work, refuse to work, but wants to suck off the taxpayer tit?”

            “But sewer scum like BLM idiots only want to riot and demonstrate, raising cain because they don’t get enough Freebies?”

            These statements are nothing but pure unadulterated propaganda. I don’t know who is worst, you, FoxNews, 1776 Coalition and/or the New York Times.

          • billwhit

            Apparently, everyone else is sick of your leftist vomit and refuses to acknowledge you even exist because your such a fecal maggot. Now, go play with your fellow Muslim Faggots, queer boy. No time for your idiocy! I do wish you a very Merry Christmas in the name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus! Maybe he will bring you some common sense in the New Year, lol!

          • BOC

            In other words you can stop them from giving me, thumbs-up for the truth and ignore you because they know you’re not serious, but delirious.

          • billwhit

            And in your infinite wisdom, how do you think I stop other people from giving you a thumbs up? That is the most ignorant thing you have said so far, lol! Your just a leftist asswipe who talks crap constantly, that is why you get no thumbs up, I certainly can’t do anything to prevent it. No one likes your worthless ass, simple. If they like what you say, they would give you a thumbs up, so apparently, I am not the only one who thinks your an ignorant Obama Butt Boy.

          • BOC

            Open your eyes and clean out your mouth. Emotional outbursts and at a loss for words (resorting to name calling/insults) are a signs of intellectual weakness.

            But I get it. You are done talking.

          • BOC

            Nutjob!

          • Wow, I am surprised you didn’t use a Race or Class Card on me, that the usual SOP of a Leftist Loon when they have no answers, or they result, as you did, to name calling, lol! Leftists are so simple minded, everyone can see right thru the Left, but the Left is so ignorant that they can’t even see thru the likes of Hussein Obama, lol! I was a Democrat in 2008 and saw right thru him, nothing but a Narcissist full of BS and LIES, like all Democrats. TRUMP/CRUZ 2016!

          • BOC

            There are no answers to illogical and convoluted statements. When people like you publish in such a manner which lack a foundation, thus not constructive, it calls into question ones mental state of mind. This is not name calling but a prognosis, base a series of published threads you published here over time.

          • And everything I have posted have proven to be True, or can you prove otherwise? Be my guest, or are you just here to spew hot air and vomit, as usual?

          • BOC

            You never give citations/references. Proof is what you always lack, thus no one ever agrees with you on these threads.

          • Any you cannot post a link to prove that the Leftist vomit you spew is truth or fact either! So, what seems to be your major malfunction, boy? Lets see the links that prove I am wrong! Let me guess, I bet your going to be a Hillary Girl this election, right? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f6975354ee3fe61a248856d45f63f77b8ad13e5b3bf7c1e6489f8ae02d8ff654.jpg

          • BOC

            Mental malfunction.

          • Yes, you do have one!

          • BOC

            “everyone else….?”
            There’s only you.

          • billwhit

            So, you are a Leftist, since you talk about Conservatives like that! You don’t even know what the hell you are or what your talking about! Bet money your sucking up Freebies each and every month, most likely too damn lazy to work or even look for a job, only a Pavement Ape sewer rat. The majority of people who talk like you do are on some type of social help or what is otherwise known as Handouts or Freebies. I am also on SS and VA Disability, but those are not Freebies or Handouts, they are Earned Entitlements for working all my life and for serving my Nation Honorably and giving a part of myself. So, what have you done besides live in mama’s basement?

          • BOC

            Don’t go to Vegas. My zip code doesn’t match what you think you know. I have credentials, what about you?

    • golface12949

      I’m thinking: Cruz & Rubio in 2016.I’m hoping that Hillary gets indited before long. With all the NEGATIVE baggage she is carrying,The only votes she will get is from the far left Liberals & No Nothings.

      • bobnstuff

        Ted can’t be president, he was raised by a communist and is a Canadian.

        • Ron

          Ted’s mother is an American. He was born with a dual citizenship, American and Canadian. He denounced his Canadian citizenship. He only had it because he was born in Canada (but to an American woman.)

          • Bernie Evans

            Matters not, Ron; none of ’em can beat HRC; you guys will have to be shown Dem-superiority; just as you were in ’08 and ’12…
            It’s about the electoral college…
            Winning the House has become rote with post-2010 gerrymandering…
            Taking enough majority white, unedumacated, mostly rural districts means nothing in a prez-year…
            Even the Senate will likely pop back to the True Party of Liberty and Justice for Allllllll…da Dems.
            2016 cometh!
            Bow ye fools! The Coronation is upon us!
            Show some respect…;-)
            lol
            HRC to da rescue!

          • Graywolf12

            Again you goofed. It is the true party of socialism/communism, elimination of personal rights and property. Please educate your self before making dumb statements like demorats look out for women and the little guy.

          • bobnstuff

            What party wanted to take farmers land to give to the Canadians? Who passed the Patriot act? Who is trying to tell people who they can and can’t marry? What Candidate what’s to register citizens because of the religion? Maybe you should educate yourself to the facts. Here is a big question for you. Who provides the insurance under the ACA and what is the governments role in it. Next and last one. What president cut the size of government more Obama or Bush?http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/under-obama-a-record-decline-in-government-jobs/?_r=0

          • Ron

            Bernie, hard to respond to your BS but let me say, there is no such thing as Liberty and Justice for All. It appears you have not lived quite long enough to understand too much. I fought a war for my country and the damned democrats gave it all away. If you studied what the democrats did to we Vietnam veterans then you would in the least change your party to Independent, same as me. Screw both parties for they will kill this nation. And your pal, Obama, is one mentally sick idiot with an IQ of just around 103. Look it up.

          • bobnstuff

            Ron I’m sorry but not ever the right wing rage put it that low. The people that hate Obama put it at 125 to 135 and the people who like him put it some where around 166. As far as what our government has done about our Vets. Both sides are stupid. I think it’s a race to the bottom. I could fix the VA’s problem very easy. Every Vet gets a Medicaid card. They can go anywhere for basic healthcare. The VA hospitals should be used for thing unique to Vet’s like agent Orange and PTSD.

          • marshmil

            Good suggestion bobnstuff. But the foreigner goon in the White Mosque has no care whatever for US veterans because veterans fought against his utopian ideals a. la. Saul Alinsky.

          • bobnstuff

            Did you see the bill in congress overhauling the VA? neither did I because they have written it yet. Obama has changed the Head of the VA twice. The problems with the VA go back to the Civil War and no president has been able to fix it. If you believe the republicans have a plan the you really are dreaming.

          • 2T3onefive

            Outstanding post Ron! Be at ease friend, you can not reason with idiots like Bernie. I too fought a war for this great country of ours so that idiots like this have freedom of speech, they are not worth a tick on a moose ass. Love you brother in arms.

          • Webb

            Delusional…Is this thought!
            “Even the Senate will likely pop back to the True Party of Liberty and Justice for Allllllll…da Dems.”
            A vote for HRC is a continuation Of America’s path of destruction…

          • marshmil

            So HRC will be the Wicked Witch of the West Wing. Hmmm! She should be crowned with a copper device carrying 1000 Volts and 10,000 Amps. –as an accomplice in murder of four Americans. And accepting money contributions from America’s enemies.

          • 2T3onefive

            Man, you are really sick, ease up on that mota will you? I wonder, are you employed? Did you go to elementary school? Are you an only child? Maybe you are abusing too much of that …”da Dems” Koolaid,

          • bobnstuff

            So the birthers are OK with this? Isn’t it the same although Obama was born in the US. Where Ted was born makes little difference to me but I think it’s kind of funny that the conservative had so much of a problem with Obama.

          • Ron

            bobstuff. All the evidence says that Obama was born in Kenya. There are no records (finally released) of Obama’s birth in Hawaii. There are also no records of him going to college (just released). Seems somebody told you that Obama was born in Hawaii and you bought the whole thing. Think on this one. His fraud birth certificate says his father was born in Kenya and he is African American. Guess what Bob, there was no Kenya when Obama’s dad was born and African American was not a term when he was born.

          • bobnstuff

            If it’s OK for Ted to have a foreign born father and be born in a foreign country then it should also be true for Obama? We know his mother is an American so if Cruz can be president legally then so can Obama. So either you must say Obama has every legal right to be President or you must say Ted doesn’t.

          • 2T3onefive

            Hang it up man, you lost.

          • bobnstuff

            Well at least time we are dealing with facts that everyone will agree on and it will be the SCOUS that says yes or no to Ted if he gets that far.

          • marshmil

            Thank you Ron. Case dismissed! …gavel slams down. You should work with Trey Gowdy.

          • marshmil

            Obama was born in Kenya! He is not a Citizen of the United States. He came to USA as a foreign student. Obama authorized US dollars sent to refurbish Mosques. Why did not the media and the “separation of church and state” faction go ballistic?

          • bobnstuff

            Ted Cruz was born in Canada. under your terms he is not and American anymore the Obama, you have to have the same rules for both.

          • golface12949

            Bob, You’re shoveling shit into the tide! Give it up!

          • bobnstuff

            But it’s so much fun. All this time people have saying Obama wasn’t legal president and now they claim Ted Cruz can be. I’m loving it.

          • 2T3onefive

            Because they sold out to the highest bidder, money, greed, and corruption in congress.

          • Graywolf12

            They do not understand complicated things like citizenship. They rather mouth off than learn something.

        • Lougjr1

          Where the H are you living, on Mars ? Cruz happens to be an American citizen born in Canada, some what like Obama is an American born in Africa ! Further more Cruz has never been a communist, Idiot !

          • bobnstuff

            His father fought with Castro. That makes his father a Communist.

        • marshmil

          But that does not mean Ted Cruz is a communist. He’s definitely more of an American than that imposter born in Kenya who now occupies his self-created Muslim Crescent Office.

          • I Seigel

            Oh, you mean the imposter that has shown his HAWAIIAN birth certificate?
            There will be lawsuits challenging Cruz’s citizenship if he becomes the nominee. Watch what happens to the imploding Republican party if that happens. It will be entertaining, while Hillary is allowed to walk into the endzone.

          • bobnstuff

            Ted is a son of a Cuban Communist born in Canada. so if his father was a communist then just like Obama he must be just like his father. You don’t get to have it both ways. His mother married a communist. Ted was raised by Communists, he must be one. If we elect him he will try to bring America back into the British Commonwealth and we will all get to be ruled by the Queen. Does that sound crazy? Just as crazy as you Muslim Kenya rant.

        • golface12949

          I’d rather have a Canadian, Communist rather than the Muslim, Communist that is in the White House now!

          • bobnstuff

            Obama has the support of just about all the democrats in congress, Ted would have the support of less then half the republican in congress. He would wear out a pen vetoing everything. Oh and did you know that Canada is socialist. Worst he could be a Maple Leaf Fan.

      • ROHBAR

        Rubio good orator but he is for letting people in over the border!

        • marshmil

          NO IMMIGRATION! STOP IMMIGRATION! NO REFUGEES! NO REFUGEES! Let their native lands take care of them. We already have a negatively serious welfare and “entitlement” problem here. We workers are already feeding the other non-working half of the US population. STOP BRING IN MORE FOR OUR WELFARE/ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS! When that Kenyan-born imposter said “Change is coming” many of us were suspicious of his intentions. He has proved our suspicions were warranted.
          NO IMMIGRATION!

    • Frankdidit

      People should not take shit heads like Riordan seriously, he is just pissed off because he and people like him can’t buy Trump, thus won’t do him any favors!!!!!!!

    • Bernie Evans

      Give me a break, “conservative values”; you mean the ones Dem-Liberal/Progs stomp in every social issue battle America suffers?
      SEE:
      Abolition, Segregation, Universal Suffrage, Civil Rights, The Safety Net (SS and Medicare and welfare), Women’s Choice, Immigration, Marriage Equality…
      And on and on and on…
      Conservatives have been on the wrong side of literally everything momentously monumental AND LOST…
      ‘Cuz, God don’t like ugly…Or, anti-Liberty and justice for all…
      To say, “Dems are Godless” when Dem-Liberals (now rep’d exclusively by Dems) win every social issue liberty-battle is like saying God is a loser; no!
      Like Lib Progs, God is a winner…;-)
      He makes “con”servatives Losers…:’-(

      • Graywolf12

        Opinionated you are , educated in history not very much. KKK, Jim Crow laws, civil rights held back until LBJ could make it a liberal law, all democrap things. No more time to educate you further.

        • Bernie Evans

          No, sweetheart, not quite; the Dem-Dixiecrats morphed into today’s GOP rebelling against LBJ’s civil rights bills…See: Strom Thurmond (R-SC), Jesse Helms (R-NC), etc…They were Dixiecrat Dems pre-civil rights; then, wallah! Repugnants, er, Republicans…
          The Southern NEW GOP are the heirs of Jim Crow; recall:
          They followed Barry Goldwater’s lead in ’64, against civil rights…
          Consider yo’self schooled, too..;-)
          COME FOLLOW AND READ ME AT savannahnow.com…;-)…
          And my FB page…you will be enlightened; open yo’ minds, kiddies…

        • Bernie Evans

          It is a good sign, though, that R’s are trying to rewrite history…
          At least you guys are ashamed of it, now…

      • Lougjr1

        What about morality, Democrats socialists have declared a ” 0 ” on that one. How about abortion, The Democrats have received the gold star on that one. You have managed to murder in excess of a million babies over the last few years. What about your liberal school system ? you got another “0” on that one after all those school children having all those babies born out of wedlock so you liberal men can get away without helping to raise them. America has finally come to the realization that the liberal socialists have literally destroyed the goodness of America. What about GOD, the whole complete reason we exist, another “0” on that one. You communists have done everything to get rid of him. You get another gold star for that one also. I might as well stop here , if you haven’t gotten your picture by now, you’re brain dead !

        • liberty49

          The liberals have murdered over 53 MILLION BABIES since Roe vs. Wade was passed. May God have mercy on their souls.

          • bobnstuff

            Yes after all the conservatives want these babies alive for target practice. Make those ladies push them out so they can starve. After all its the kids fault to be born poor..

          • Bernie Evans

            See above; be schooled…
            lol

        • Bernie Evans

          Oh my Jesus! Like I said, come unglued…
          lol
          Funny, or not, how “con”servatives concern themselves with “babies” pre-birth; once they drop from the womb, all bets are off; you can starve ’em, shoot ’em, leave ’em sick with disease, etc, just don’t spend one nickel of taxpayer money on ’em…
          no lol
          weep-weep..:’-(
          As to “God is the reason we exist”: to enlighten yourselves on how a religious revolution (the American Founding) secularized society, read Brad Gregory’s (Notre Dame) The Unintended Reformation…
          Did I mention I am seminary-trained?
          True Christ-likeness is liberalism; he totally believes “liberty and justice for all”…
          Just as he understands, there is a season for all things, unfortunately, including terminating pregnancy; remember God isn’t an emotionalist the way the new GOP is, he called for human BABY sacrifice…
          Consider yo’selves schooled…
          By one o’ da best…
          K?
          lol
          Carry on…

          • Lougjr1

            Well, well, Do I detect a gay priest that was thrown out of the Catholic church. Your attitude and comments do give you away. Some times what you say can tell who and what you are. God called for baby sacrifice ? OH, wait a minute, I may be wrong about you being a Catholic, you may be a Muslim and your GOD is actually Allah !

          • 2T3onefive

            You are seminary-trained!? You got it all wrong Bernie, what you really are is a “seminary failure” You completely failed to understand what the Lord God is all about and ended up right into 2T3onefive passage of the bible, were you belong. I got you figured out chomp!
            Just as Gen. Patton said to Rommel; Bernie you bastard! I read your book!!! You are a Gay Priest!!! LOL

      • billwhit

        Yep, you have fallen off the Loony truck, son, and OD’d on the leftist vomit! You have your head buried so deep in your own ass that your brain hasn’t had fresh air in months! And seems like you forgot that the Democratic Party deliberately kicked GOD from their platform in 2012, Twice. Anytime there is a lack of Jesus, evil prevails as can easily be seen by the trash that you support, Hillary the Whore of Bengazi, the biggest criminal our nation has seen in decades, along with the queer Muslim boy from Kenya! You will drown in your own vomit soon, because the Democratic Demons time is coming to an end soon and you will actually have to work to support yourself instead of sucking off the backs of hardworking Conservative Taxpayers. Payback is going to be a blast! TRUMP/CRUZ 2016! Hillary/Hussein for Prison 2017!

    • Roger

      I agree 100%

    • HadEnough

      billwhit, you are absolutely correct. I hate the GOP Establishment RINO’s. No, they don’t represent Conservatives. TRUMP/CRUZ 2016

    • ROHBAR

      Could not say it better billwhit!

    • 2T3onefive

      I second that, good post!

    • BOC

      Cruz is a carnival barker, like you. Trump will not make it.

  • VirgoVince

    Key word, establishment, meaning an idiot rino! he’s one of the ‘crazy’!!
    That island won’t be too deserted, with the rest of the idiot rinos and leftists!

  • Gnowark

    “GOP establishment” is this guy? I didn’t think any one man had that much power (cf. barack hussein obamao). I guess he is where all the ‘moderate’ GOPers go for advice (and I thought they went to debbie-wasserman schultz at the DNC). If all the ‘establishment GOP’ is trying to assassinate Trump (figuratively), he deserves yet another round of poll-winning.

    • S. Wicks Jr

      The reason the GOP has a problem is they cannot press a button to control Mr. Trump; therefore, they cannot control him like a robot. Trump is the MAN to get the job done of cleaning up this country and getting it productive once again….

      • ward

        Getting rid of RINOS & libtard, bo type of supporting dems 2016 and voting Trump to POTUS is a # 1 priority for U.S. Freedom !

    • ward

      Trump needs to join the TEA PARTY, being the #1 support & protection for the U.S. Constitution along with Freedom & Rights for U.S. Patriotic Citizens National Security … !

      • Hgeyer

        If the NRA is “US security” why do they fight adding those on the terrorist watch list to the data base for gun checks? Why do they think that known terrorists should be allowed to legally purchase assault rifles? The NRA is actively supporting second amendment rights for known terrorists!

      • Hgeyer

        If the NRA is “US security” why do they fight adding those on the terrorist watch list to the data base for gun checks? Why do they think that known terrorists should be allowed to legally purchase assault rifles? The NRA is actively supporting second amendment rights for known terrorists!

  • Phyllis

    The man is from Los Angeles. The rest of the country could care less what he thinks. And they don’t give too much of a hoot what the republicans or democrats think on the committee level..,makes one wonder just how dumbed down they really are.

    • Jerry

      Phyllis, I’m from CA, the whole damn state is lest wing democrats. Jerry Brown the governor is an idiot. You are so right.

      • BOC

        If ‘Moonbeam’ is such an idiot, why does he keep getting elected to represent the people time and time again? Have you ever had a conversation with this governor? Probably not, but I have. Which brings the question, can everybody else, including me be wrong and ‘just you’ be right? NOT!

        • Jerry

          I guess that’s how many idiots we have in CA.

          • BOC

            In other words, you put your foot in your mouth.

          • Jerry

            Maybe…

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