GOP struggles to find ObamaCare repeal votes

by Jessie Hellmann | thehill  |  published on May 2, 2017

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The Republican bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare appears to lack sufficient votes to pass the House, despite hopes from GOP leaders and the White House that it might be approved by the lower chamber this week.

According to The Hill’s whip list, 21 Republicans oppose the bill — the maximum number of GOP defections that can be afforded — assuming every Democrat also votes against it.

The latest Republican to announce his opposition is Rep. Billy Long (Mo.), a staunch conservative who often says he was “Tea Party before Tea Party was cool.”

He told The Hill he wouldn’t support the bill because of the impact it could have on people with preexisting conditions.

  • DrBillLemoine

    This isn’t a question of ‘hopes’; it’s a question of rights–American rights to a healthy living (or as the Constitution’s Preamble states, ‘promote the general welfare’). First, Speaker Ryan who shepherds this AHCA bill hasn’t consulted anybody with a stake in health or healthcare, be it doctors in the AMA, hospitals, subscribers or governors who administer the thing. It’s a figment of his imagination of what people need, and I might add a fictional image.
    Then, certain congress members have an ideological fixation in their minds of what’s good for people back home, unless they have met with those people in townhall meetings so obvious on television during the last recess. It’s also, like Ryan, an imaginary and false image of what citizens want and need.
    And third, congress has invested so much time and effort in the Obamacare ‘repeal and replacement’ movement that they are unable to hold hearings, listen to stakeholders and craft a ‘revised’ Obamacare law to continue its goodness just to save their own face. It’s bad lawmaking, bad politics, bad medicine, bad rights reinforcement and more legislators are recognizing a vote cannot take place, not should it. The answer is to return to regular order, hold hearings, craft improvements to ACA and resolve problems instead of creating more.

    • Retired

      The public does not want to see the ACA changed , they want it gone and the Government out of dictating health care . A simple law that insurance can not use the pre clause would solve the problem ,plus stop the insurance Co. from not taking your policy across state lines . The constitution when written did not include that the Government guarenty health insurance. Health insurance came about through Unions mainly .

      • DrBillLemoine

        I think if you go to the polls or watch congress on TV lately you’ll find the ‘public’ wants to keep ACA. It’s up to congress and ideologue Speaker Ryan to figure out how to fix it, make it sustainable and stop screwing with benefits like pre-existing conditions. None of them is listening to town halls, constituents’ calls and petitions from voters, many actually avoiding contacts with the tacit goals of pinching pennies and screwing the ex-president–nothing remaining in black president Obama’s legacy, damn the sick people harmed. Ever ask yourself who would do that or why they don’t adopt your simple fix?
        Your argument falls flat if you consider women voting today, blacks becoming citizens, social security and medicare created for the public welfare and increase citizen equality and well-being. And just who do you think Unions are–We, the People.

        • Retired

          You sound just like Obama , maybe you need to put up his picture instead of the fake picture along with the fake polls .

          • DrBillLemoine

            Is there much difference between the ideologues in congress, starting with Speaker Ryan, and others who ignore public demand, facts, and reality? This means you.
            Likewise is there any difference between a coward hiding behind ignorance, or legislator ignoring constituent accountability and one who won’t take responsibility for his comments by having no avatar or real name?

          • Retired

            You are the fake one with the BS you present .

  • TAM44

    They are not republicans, they are closet democrats and president Trump needs to drain the swamp of these back stabbing cut throats. Sure is a sign of weakness when your party has complete control and the only thing they can do is wait on their pay checks. Term limits is a must priority, there’s far to many dead beat in DC and the only thing they do is look to see how much they can squeeze out of the tax payers.

    • A natural born American

      Our rino’s come up for reelection next year. Every time one of them sends me one of those form letter emails asking for support of any kind I always reply with “I WILL NOT VOTE FOR YOU. You had your chance and you blew it!” Then I hit ‘send’.

  • Dee

    The Rinos are pulling such Crap ! I pray Ryan gets voted Out in 2018. He’s the Biggest Bum in the House . The People Voted Trump in for a FULL REPEAL AND REPLACEMENT OF OBUMMACARE ! Trump is being snowed by these idiots . Let the da#% law implode already !! We want a FREE MARKET SYSTEM !

    • Retired

      Wi. does not have anyone to beat him out .Look at the last election results.

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  • Webb

    A Total Repeal was promised…That will not happen since the enate

  • Leslie Woodhull

    The TRUTH is that MANY OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVES DONT WANT TO CHANGE OR REPEAL OBAMINATION CARE!! CALL THEM AND TELL THEM THEY’LL BE OUT OF OFFICE OF THEY DON’T REPEAL THIS DISASTER!! That’s the ONLY thing they’ll understand!!! You’ll be OUT FOR SURE IF YOU DON’T GET THIS DONE!!!

  • jake mccollum

    I applaud those who stand against this crap bill. Any who vote for it should be primaried

  • bobnstuff

    The divide in the Republican party makes passing any bill a challenge and a healthcare bill almost imposable. The only way a healthcare bill is going through is with the help of the Democrats which means working together. Does anyone see this happening?

    • Peter Smith

      Sure bobnstuff. Schemer, Pelosi, and the rest of the DNC have repeatedly demonstrated their willingness to work with our President on ANY issue? Repeal Obamacare with NO replacement bill. I guarantee to the progressive liberals will start talking ……

      • bobnstuff

        It’s not happening. The Senate will not go for it and the House republicans couldn’t come together to vacate a burning building. Without the Democrats they can’t truly repeal the ACA any ways. All they can do is change the money parts and they can’t find a way to make both the moderates and the conservatives happy at the same time. You can’t blame the Democrats on this one. There is enough bad blood in Washington to cripple the congress for years.

        • Peter Smith

          No need to repeal, stop all federal monetary support for a few months and the ACA will collapse all by itself.
          I can blame the Democrats for voting for it when they didn’t even know what was in it. Remember Pelosi, “we have to pass it to see what’s in it ….”. I can blame Obama for illegally altering the ACA law without the consent of Congress to keep it afloat in the first several years. And bobnstuff, name ONE thing to date the Democrats have reached across the isle in an attempt at bi-partisan support. The ACA will die, it is just a matter of whether it goes out with a whimper or roar ……

          • bobnstuff

            Did you know that all bills are voted on twice. Once when the bill is first passed and the again once they have read a printed copy. No bill ever goes in to law till that second vote. As far as reaching across the isle do you remember the time they did that on immigration. The Senate passed a very nice bill with support from the republicans and the democrats and the republican house didn’t even take it up. Also do you know who wrote the original ACA, three Democrats and three Republicans. The Senate has passed a number of bi-partisan bills. In fact they have little choice but to work together. Pa has a republican senator and a Democratic Senator and they work together often on bills that are important to the state.

            You think it’s OK for congress to try to bypass the action of passing a law by just not following it. Once a bill is passed the congress has to pay the bill under the constitution. If they just stop funding without passing a bill they are breaking the law.

          • Peter Smith

            The immigration bill was pure D bullstuff bob. Amnesty has never been or will ever be accepted as a provision for any immigration reform.
            Saying the original ACA bill had three and three, GOP/DNC really isn’t accurate. The “gang of six” negotiated several aspects of the original ACA but their exercise failed to produce even one GOP vote.
            bobnstuff, name a few of these bu-partisan exercises you speak of. I can then show proof of DNC obstructionism since the very first minute of the Trump presidency. Obstructionism that is as strong right now as it was on January 20. You won’t admit it, but you know I am speaking truthfully.
            The Congress cannot mess with the $100 billion appropriated for 2010-2019, true. It is the law. They can, however, mess with the $100 billion of discretionary funding. Just don’t approve any discretionary funding. The ACA won’t work without it. They won’t need to violate the law bobnstuff, in fact, they’ll be following it to the letter.

          • bobnstuff

            To bad you didn’t bother to read the immigration bill. It’s everything Trump is talking about except instead of a wall it had a fence. As far as the Democrats working with the republicans, why should they? Where are the bills that are worth voting for. Even the republicans aren’t voting for them. We have no major legislation up for vote, no jobs bill, no infrastructure bill, no tax reform bill and no immigration reform bill. You can’t complain that the democrats are stopping things that aren’t there. You can’t even complain yet about them stopping the repeal of the ACA since it’s the republicans that are blocking it. Can you name one bill they have blocked this year? Congress is a quarter of the way through the 115th congress and they have passed a whole 30 bills and they have voted 136 times. No bills have failed to pass.

          • Peter Smith

            Bob, the DNC Senate immigration bill had citizenship rights and outright amnesty as non-negotiable items included. That is why it failed bobnstuff.
            Why should the Democrats work with the GOP? We’ll, maybe they should start working for the nation instead of themselves. They go ape shit over an immigration executive order that was almost identical to one Obama made, where was their outrage at that time?
            The ACA will fail, whether it is by Congressional repeal or the Congressional strangulation via the check book, it will fail.

          • bobnstuff

            You didn’t read the bill. It failed because it was never introduces in the house. There were enough vote to pass the house but it was never brought to the floor because it would have been a win for Obama and we couldn’t have that. Our President has said he would be OK with some type of path to citizenship. Can you name the last presidents that gave amnesty? As far as rights, the illegals already have most of the rights of citizens if you check. As I said go read the bill. Trump’s EO on immigration it isn’t any where the same as the one Obama wrote. Obama was enhanced vetting no students not a total blocking. Go do some real homework and check your facts.

          • Peter Smith

            It didn’t go to the House floor because they were working on their own bill. And no bobnstuff, it would not have passed the House, it didn’t have the votes from the GOP majority at the time.
            You’re an idiot bob, the Trump EO didn’t completely stop travel, it did increase the vetting of ALL travelers from that part of the world (7 countries listed). If/when it goes before SCOTUS, it will be reinstated because it is within the Constitutional powers of the President to do what President Trump did. And bob, illegals also have the right to be picked up, detained, tried, and sent packing out of our nation. Hence the term “illegal”.
            Wipe the tears from your eyes bob, blow your nose, pull your head out of your @ss, the sun still rises in the east …….

          • bobnstuff

            There was a 90 day stop on travel in Trump order. There was little in common between Trumps EO and Obama’s.
            http://www.khou.com/news/local/verify/verify-trumps-2017-executive-order-vs-obamas-2011-executive-order/394696082

            Illegals have a right to a hearing before deportation as well as many of the other rights given citizens. Local governments do not have to detain them.

            As far as the immigration bill goes:
            “House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, has also reportedly told his GOP colleagues in a closed-door meeting that the entire Senate bill will not be brought to the floor. That is regardless of strong Republican support, according to NBC News.”
            http://www.ibtimes.com/why-house-doesnt-have-pass-2013-immigration-reform-bill-1324343

          • Peter Smith

            The 90 day ban was on the issuance of new visas. Those persons already with visas could still travel albeit it with tighter security screening than was previous.
            Reread my post, I mentioned a hearing. My statement was “picked up, detained, tried ….”.
            Now you’re talking about “reported” occurances and actions in the House. We work with facts bob, not a “firm chance of a definite maybe”. It was the DNC insistance on the citizenship clauses and out attempts at amnesty that doomed the liberal Senate immigration bill. And bob, NBC is fake news, just like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc.

          • bobnstuff

            We are 60 week behind in hearings. You are going to hold someone for over a year on a misdemeanor?

            If you read the link you now know that Trumps EO and Obama’s are not at all alike.

            I love how direct quoits are fake news if they don’t support your view. The fact is that the bill never got a vote in the house because of one person. The fact is every immigration reform and border security bill brought up in congress was block by the republicans even the ones to increase the number of border agencies. I also notice you are very weak when it comes to backing up your so called facts.

          • Peter Smith

            If we have to, yes. They are not citizens of this nation and have entered our country illegally.
            President Trump is working on increasing the number of immigration judges and we need to start eliminating the backlog. You idiot Dems give them a “notice to appear” and send them on their way. How many do you personally think stay put and actually appear on the given date? They know what will happen at the hearing and they’re not going voluntarily appear to be sent back across the border.
            I can and have supported my assertions time and again. Your statement says an NBC has it only “reported” what Boehner said, they were not in the room at the time. Fake news……

          • bobnstuff

            The bill for holding an illegal in jail is $120 per day per person. That $50.000 per person to hold then for a misdemeanor. That’s $20 billion dollars to hold the 410,000 waiting for hearings. Obama asked for much less then that number but was told no by congress.
            http://cis.org/ICE-Illegal-Immigrant-Deportations

          • Peter Smith

            A bus ride back across the border is a whole lot less. Many of these illegals are caught In the act of crossing or within 25 miles of the border. Why should we have to hold them or give them any kind of hearing? They are illegal aliens with zero documentation. They have no rights. That is unless that right is to have their illegal @sses punted back across the border.

          • bobnstuff

            The law says if they ask for asylum they must get a hearing. That law was passed under GW and congress when Obama asked for it to be changed said no. Once on US soil they have rights. Do you remember wet foot dry food for the Cubans? That’s also why we have a prison at Guantanamo, it’s not on US soil so we don’t have to give them rights.

          • Peter Smith

            It was an Obama policy change in 2009 that ended Homeland Security holding them until their case could be heard. Once released, these illegal aliens were like chaff in the wind. Just like every other Obama policy, this had a huge downside and we are still paying for it. Obama has single handedly damage our immigration policies with his policy changes to the extent it will take years to correct. Maybe if you pulled your head from his ex-presidential back side, you’d see this clearly. But I’m very sure that will never happen …..

          • bobnstuff

            $20 billion is money Homeland doesn’t have plus Obama still deported more then any other president since Eisenhower. In case you haven’t noticed the illegal population went down under Obama. It’s in fact the Republicans that have over the years been soft on illegals. They are the ones passing amnesty and other laws making deportation harder. They also refused to make the law stronger or increase funding to fight the problem. Even today there is no immigration bill in the works. The Republicans have controlled congress for the past two and a half years and have yet to bring up a immigration reform bill or for that matter any other bills to fix the very things they have been complaining about.

          • Peter Smith

            BULLSTUFF bob! Obama never had any intention of enforcing our national border laws and his 8 years of active inaction and administrative actions bear that truth out.

          • bobnstuff

            Tell that to all those people he sent home. The Deporter and Chief. The fact that he tried to do it in a humane fashion and use his limited resources wisely didn’t stop him from sending a bunch of people back home. Obama double the number of Border agencies on our southern border but he had to take them from the northern border to do it because Congress would give him the money for more people. He also did his best to get those here illegally out in the open. Back under Bush 43 we had twice the number of illegals here. It wasn’t till Obama came into office that we really started to work on the problem. I love the fact that the republican used Obama as an excuses for doing nothing for eight years about the problem even though Obama asked for help. I once again will remind you that the Republicans have had control of the congress for over two years now. They weren’t afraid of a veto on repealing the ACA but they were on everything else?

          • Peter Smith

            Deporter in Chief? My @ss!
            http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not
            Total deportations for the last three presidents:
            Clinton 12,290,905
            Bush 10,328,850
            Obama 5,281,115
            Obama did NOTHING to secure the borders of this nation. If fact, one of the other main sticking issues on the Senate Immigration Bill was that it did not address securing the borders first. They were more concerned with granting amnesty and citizenship than they were with our national security.
            Grow up turd. You smell just like every other progressive liberal and your posts literally stink.

          • Retired

            You will not get through to bobnbull the Democrat claiming to be a republican .

          • Peter Smith

            Old bobby is a bought and paid for whore of the progressive left. In other words, dead from the neck up …..

          • Retired

            Where I come from it’s called Poop for Brains

          • Peter Smith

            Same here Retired. You just use less offensive language than I tend to use. But the meaning is the same ….

        • Retired

          It is all because there are to many elected that think like you .

          • bobnstuff

            Do you remember that the republicans now have total control of the house and have the majority in the senate. Isn’t the president also a republican? It’s the republicans that are now blocking things. If you don’t bring bills to a vote just how are the democrats stopping anything. When the immigration bill passed the senate there were enough votes in the house to pass it even though the republican held it.

          • Retired

            I can’t believe you are that far gone that you do not see the problem . The bill does not get to the floor because of garbage attached , it also happened under Reid . Both parties are playing with fire and they will get burned for it .

          • bobnstuff

            Bills don’t get to the floor because they haven’t even been written. The republicans have control of amendments and riders, remember that have the majority.

          • Retired

            No they don’t when there are turn coats like McCain , plus last I knew they come out of committee to bring to the floor . It’s a game of barter both parties play .

          • bobnstuff

            McCain is a true republican but he is his own man and he keeps being re-elected. He helped build the party. The Republicans control the committees, the amendments and when a vote is called. There have only been 136 votes on bills so far this congress, The democrats aren’t the problem. The real problem is the new republicans that forget that they represent all the citizens in their district not just the ones that voted for them. You can’t run a government by just saying no.

          • Retired

            McCain is washed up and doing nothing but keeping the party split , you claim to be a republican and can NOT see that ??? He only got elected because of no opposition and the pork he brings home .The Republican party won’t let anyone run against him because he sells out for campaign money .

          • bobnstuff

            The key word here is he got elected. His voters know he will do his best for them. The party supports him and he votes with the party when it makes sense. He has invested his life in serving the government and his state. The republican party will support him as long as he wants. I know this will come as a shock to you but we live in a democracy and it’s the voters that choose their representatives.

          • Retired

            You mean the party will support him as long as he brings in money for the party ,don’t you . You are lacking on how politics work today , it’s all about campaign money raising instead of taking care of the people back home . Obama proved that as to how he treated people on SS and retired military with those gigantic pay increases .

          • bobnstuff

            I didn’t know that Obama had the power to increase social security payments. Does the president control the military pensions. Both these rates are set by congress. Sorry but you should have check your facts.

          • Retired

            You must have been sleeping when Obama said he would veto the defense bill . But he had no problem giving Gov. employees more money. Better change brand of toilet paper you seem to read .

          • bobnstuff

            You will notice that he didn’t veto the bill and never asked for a raise to be cut out of it. You need to find same facts before you make statements. Obama doesn’t control those raises.

          • Retired

            Selective memory is a down fall of the Democrat followers like you .

        • Retired

          You mean like Pelosi , we have to pass the bill to find out what is in it ??? That was Democrats that could not read as well as put out a burning building because they didn’t read the instructions as to putting out a fire .

      • Retired

        Have congress and their staff pay for the own insurance , it is that simple .Then ban Gov. employee unions down to the local level .

        • Peter Smith

          Retired, I believe every person in the US should be responsible for their own healthcare, PERIOD! Many veterans and retired people have healthcare because it was part of their benefits given for their service or a lifetime of hard work. They were and still are responsible for their own healthcare. And I respect that ….

    • Webb

      NO…

  • Jerry

    We want to see a list of those republicans, I say we need to eliminate the gold status of the politicians elite health care, put all of them on Obamacare and see how fast it’s changed

    • Pete

      People with pre existing conditions plus Senate/House healthcare merged with Medicare system is the only answer. The Senate/House would have a complete solution in place by sundown.

      • bobnstuff

        Socialize healthcare for these with pre-existing conditions. I can just see the Freedom Coalition’s heads exploding. Alaska came up with a solution, a CAT fund that caps the amount an insurance company has to put out. It’s working for the time being.

        • Retired

          You seem to always forget how many in politics get campaign money from the Insurance Co. It is the same with Drug manufactures .

          • bobnstuff

            On both side of the aisle. The insurance companies like the Alaskan solution and in the long run it costs the government less.

          • Retired

            The Insurance Co. liked the HMO until it became a high cost and watered the coverages down just like the ACA setup .Like SCOTUS said ACA was a TAX and not health care .

        • Pete

          The key to correction of the problem is requiring the legislators to live under the system they create for everyone else. Necessity is the mother of invention. The Senators/Representatives would come up with a long term solution if it effected them directly.

    • kbfallon

      Exactly Jerry—and put them on the list of Former Representatives at the unemployment line. We need to know who these turncoats are!

    • Retired

      Let them pay for their own insurance like the most working people and the same should go for Government employees .

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