Hillary misleading about email probe during debate, former FBI agents say

by Catherine Herridge, Pamela K. Browne  |  published on February 6, 2016

Hillary Clinton used misleading language in Thursday night’s Democratic debate to describe the ongoing FBI investigation into her use of a private email server to conduct official government business while she was secretary of state, according to former senior FBI agents.

In the New Hampshire debate with Senator Bernie Sanders, which aired on MSNBC, Clinton told moderator Chuck Todd that nothing would come of the FBI probe, “I am 100 percent confident. This is a security review that was requested. It is being carried out.”

Not true says Steve Pomerantz, who spent 28 years at the FBI, and rose from field investigative special agent to the rank of assistant director, the third highest position in the Bureau.

“They (the FBI) do not do security reviews,” Pomerantz said. “What they primarily do and what they are clearly doing in this instance is a criminal investigation.”

Pomerantz emphasized to Fox News, “There is no mechanism for her to be briefed and to have information about the conduct, the substance, the direction or the result of any FBI investigation.”

  • TOM

    BOC when Clinton was running against Obama in the Democrat primary the Digital Journal ran a revealing story. The story says Hillary Clinton was fired from the committee staff. Jerry Zeifman, supervised Hillary behavior. Clinton obtained a position on the committee staff through her political patronage of her former Yale law school professor Burke Marshall and Chappaquiddick Senator Ted Kennedy. Jerry Zeifman says Hillary Clinton was unethical and a liar (as if we didn’t already know that.) He also described Hillary Clinton as a dishonest lawyer. Finally, Zeifman says Hillary Clinton conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality. Sound familiar? Like Benghazi maybe? Zeifman had this reaction after Hillary Clinton’s phony tears at a campaign rally in 2008

    My own reaction was of regret that, when I terminated her employment on the Nixon impeachment staff, I had not reported her unethical practices to the appropriate bar associations.

  • Daryl

    I would love to see the truth come out about the clintonsabd this lieing basters that is in our White House. Clinton had Foster killed and I believe that its possible that Hillary pulled the trigger as Foster was going to bring the Clinton’s down. There is so much bad about Hussain Obama starting about congress is so blind that they can not see all the profe that he was born in Kenyon. It is so obvious that he is a member of the Muslem Brotherhood. ISIS. He is working so hard between golf games destroying America. Just watch my friends and see what he will do in the next 6 to 8 months. The biggest thing he will do is take our ability to stand up against his plans to destroy our government. Yes our guns. He might not make owning a gun illegal but he will do something with the ammunition
    Obama is the exact copy of Hitler. Read your history. And last the Muslims stated they will take over the United States of American from with in. Just look how many Muslims he has put in the white house. How many big positions do Muslims hold in Washington. Don’t believe me look it up.

  • believe

    This is so dirty political. There are people setting on DEATH ROW and serving LIFE sentences for LESS THAN OBAMA , HILLARY AND 45% of our POLITICIAN are getting by with.
    So I guess we can set here and say murder the TRAITORS and it is OK. THE Homosexual setting in the Oval Office And the LESBIAN wanting to set in OUR OVAL office have committed MURDER and NOTHING has been done to remove them from society.SO there suppose to be LEADERS, LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO IF WE WERE FOLLOWERS.
    SICK PEOPLE. AND WERE HOUSING THEM????????

  • Hannah Abbott

    She lied, who knew?

  • captainmvh

    why the stall??? file charges before the election..you filed quickly on Gen. Pet

  • JB

    Why in hell do these politicians continue to fall on the sword for these lying CLINTONS.

  • Vangie Martinez

    Yada Yada Yada with that said when is the FBI going to arrest H. Clinton already?!!!! They the FBI said that she H. Clinton was misleading ie lying so therefore she should be arrested and sent to, gee I don’t know, PRISON. They the FBI arrested and sent Martha Stewart to Prison for lying why are they not doing it to H. Clinton who has done far worse then Stewart? They have enough evidence already it doesn’t take a Rocket Scientist to figure out what Clinton did who is a liar, corrupt and a treasonous among other things. Do the American People a favor remove H. Clinton from doing any more damage.

  • jack

    she is a lier always was and always will be the truth is not in her,WAKE UP PEOPLE SHE’LL GET IN OFFICE AND LIE TO EVERYONE AGAIN,AND AGAIN SHE DID SAY SHE PLANS TO FOLLOW OBAMAS AGENDA AND FINISH THE COUNTRY OFF

  • BOC

    Here we go again with the Faux Pax propaganda. So, they conjure up a ‘out to pasture’ FBI agent to give some type of credibility to their continued fallacies. Wishing that the government will be coming after Hillary so that republicans can capture the white house again is not going to happen.

    The majority of the American people are simply not interested in going through another recession, mortgage, and wall street meltdown. They most certainly don’t want the republicans to continue their genocide on the middle class to benefit the 1-5%.

  • Whatzrname

    Anyone under 30 won’t know this and the complicite media won’t tell you, but as a 27 yr. old staff attorney for the house judiciary committee during the watergate investigation, killary rodham was FIRED by her supervisor, lifelong dem jerry zeifman. When asked why she was fired, zeifman said in an interview ” because she was a liar. She was unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the constitution, the rules of the House the rules of the committee, and the rules of confidentiality.”

  • william g munson

    The FBI does its Job and the Doj does not prosecute then We the People need to prosecute the DOJ and Obama he is in on it Period and other in the government too and the state department

  • peeweetanner@yahoo.com

    Trouble is OBAMA tells the FBI what to do if you noticed how long this is going on ITS BULLSHIT she should have already been charged.

    • Mister Vice

      Patience, my young apprentice, patience.

  • Libya21

    She and Obama are the world’s two greatest con artists! Both should hang!

  • Marios

    So why not an indictment? but when?

  • Rx7pj

    There is also NO mechanism for Pomeranian to know what is happening in the FBI. He does NOT work there anymore. What he is saying is pure speculation and since he’s another right winged hater, he’s making asinine ignorant assumptions like the rest of the right does.

    • I Seigel

      FOX will always dig for sources that promote their point of view, and they’ll ignore or hide comments that don’t agree with their agenda. Fair and balanced? Not a chance.

      • Mister Vice

        Have you tried to contact them? I see haters like you on there shows all the time. Either you don’t watch the channel or you lie! Which is it Frodo?

        • Frodo

          @mister vice

          you call me?

          • Mister Vice

            No. My comment was for another toad.

    • Mister Vice

      And you AREN’T making asinine ignorant assumptions, pinhead? In fact, your canned and repetitious slanders are so slick you should consider moving over to our side since you are a bigger hater than we could ever HOPE to be. Oh yeah, you will be required to memorize the secret hand shakes and purchase a special Masonic decoder ring. Dues are monumental, as you’ll discover, because the socialists want more of your money every year to build the biggest, most inefficient government the world has ever known…and to buy stuff for people allergic to working (its a real disorder, look it up!) and to give huge annual bonuses to federal workers who aren’t measured for performance.

  • wildeagleone

    Fuch Hillary and the entire Clinton clan. They have one thing on their minds and that is money, and have no answer to the question; how much money and power is enough?

    • I Seigel

      And how is that different than Trump and Cruz. And Christie. And Rubio. And all their donors.

      • Mister Vice

        OK Junior, it’s like this: Your little punkin headed criminals STEAL people’s money while the other candidates you mentioned ASK for people’s money to support their bid to fight the corrupt establishment that has wrecked our nation. Do you really believe there is nothing dishonest about that Clinton Foundation and the way Hillary has used it to allow corporations and nations to buy favors from her as the Sec of State? Do you really?

  • I Seigel

    I must be missing something. The headline says that “FBI agents” say Hillary is misleading. But the news article only quotes one retired agent as questioning her statements. Not multiple “agents”. What’s going on?

    • Mister Vice

      You are really naive or stupid or both but try to keep up: Active FBI agents are BARRED from commenting on an active investigation (surely you have heard this phrase before) but RETIRED agents may and can comment on what their experience tells them. When this is all over Junior you can get your narrative from “multiple agents” as you seek. As for myself I have seen and heard enough to know what is going on. But then I have walked the planet for a few years and with THAT goes wisdom bought from experience. Something YOU don’t yet value because you haven’t yet experienced enough. Or maybe you’re 67 years old but just didn’t LEARN anything along the way?

      • I Seigel

        Like I said, the headline says that multiple “FBI agents” are commenting on something. The story says that ONE FORMER agent is offering his opinion. BIG difference. You really must have blinders on, be really naïve, or stupid or both.

        Of COURSE you’ve “seen and heard enough to know what is going on”!! All it takes is one headline, one right-wing blog or internet news story, and your mind is made up and nothing more is necessary!! A close examination of sources and “news” isn’t necessary for a Fast Decider like you!! You’re a man of ACTION. You don’t have time for information and LOGICAL THOUGHT!! You LEAP – you don’t have time to LOOK! Thanks for admitting it!!

        • Mister Vice

          Stop your whining, you sound like Hillary now. There’s no “fast” decision here. I have been following her for nearly 30 years and she is ALWAYS nearby when bad things happen. My wisdom (gained from experience) tells me what is what. YOU must rely upon the newsprint so you’ll always be a pawn of the spinners. I know from my previous life that the FBI is apolitical and work tirelessly to remain neutral when conducting an investigation, especially when it concerns political figures where they go the extra mile to ensure every stone is overturned. My career in military and in security brought me to interact with FBI, CIA, military and other security people, some involved in LE affairs, some not, and I realized certain things that I observed over and over again about their conduct and language. No Up I am not just an armchair pundit but I am limited in how much information I can get just as you are. That is where I rely upon my gut feeling and experience to guide me. I happen to trust the opinion of that one retired FBI agent more than I do these pundits and so-called journalists. Do what you like as I am sure you will. I am neither stupid nor naive and I’ll pit either one against you any day you like. You claim I am a fast decider and disregard the facts but that is exactly what you are doing! Ironic isn’t it?

  • I Seigel

    She was discussing the security review and disagreements on what is considered “secret” between the various intelligence agencies and State Dept. She wasn’t discussing the criminal investigation, which she is not privy to. This is a non-story. How long ago did Pomerantz retire from the FBI?

    And apparently there are now similar disputes about “classified” emails on the private servers of Colin Powell and Condi Rice during their times as Sect of State.

    • Mister Vice

      What difference does it make when the guy retired? Last year? Three years ago? No difference, he’s R-E-T-I-R-E-D which means he spent AT LEAST 20 years as an agent but most likely much more if you paid any attention to his duties and rank.

      • I Seigel

        The fact that he’s RETIRED means that he has no access to information regarding the ongoing investigation. He’s just a guy with a lot of experience, commenting on an issue he has no experience or information about. He’s offering an opinion, not any fact-based information.
        And like I said, he’s the only agent that the story quotes. The headline of the story refers to multiple “agents”. I simply wanted to bring up that discrepancy.

        • Mister Vice

          No YOU are the one that is sounding pretty naive. Do you think for one minute that a person retires from the agency without ties or contacts to the same? He probably made a LOT of friends and most likely trained many for their current positions. I wouldn’t be surprised at all that he talks to them and they contact him from time to time to seek advice (wisdom gained from experience) that will teach and assist them. I don’t know what your field might be (if you are even out of school yet) but THIS is how the real world works. You probably don’t understand it yet but I hope you will mature into understanding there is MORE in life than simply googling stuff on the internet.

          • I Seigel

            Your argument contains a lot of “He probably made a LOT of friends…” and “I wouldn’t be surprised…” You don’t present a lot of facts do you? Just your opinions. Very valuable stuff. Like toilet paper.

  • TAM44

    Letting killery clinton just do as she damn well pleases without any fear of being indicted would show the American citizens that the obama’s administration is full of corruption from the top on down and they all think they are above our laws. I cannot believe just how arrogant this liar killery clinton is make such a statement like she made. Our security to this country is at risk and obama and killery clinton are the reason. She needs to be in prison for her crimes and not rewarded for criminal actions.

  • Karll

    And Bernie doesn’t have the guts to call her out on her complete incompetence and deceit?
    I suppose when they gave Hellary the lock on the nomination, the democrap party didn’t realize what an arrogant, corrupt, reckless pig she would be as sec of state.

  • Webb

    We Wait…
    Will A Known Liar and a Deceitful Person, who has lived off The Tax payer, directly or indirectly for 30 odd Years. Get Her Just Desserts!!

  • James Bowens

    Just another Clinton lie. I hope she doesn’t think the average American is not smart enough to believe her. She already had blood on her hands from Benghazi. Then her putting classified documents on her private server only proves that she thinks she is above the law. I am Retired USAF, and handled Classified Documents. If I would have even mistakenly released these on a unclassified server, I would have been prosecuted and gone to prison. Not having a classification on documents does not remove the classification. What is in the body of the document is what gives it the classification. Hillary knew what thr Classification level of those documents were. If she is not prosecuted, it will undermine all that is right and for those cases that are pending in military and federal courts, it will set a precedence for these and all future cases of this type. Like a lot of Dems, she does not care about the US Constitution or Bill of Rights. Our country was founded on these documents and not open to her own interpretation. She talks of a gun disarmament program like that of Australia. Even Australian politicians admit that this will not work because the difference of our cultures. The US Supreme Court has already affirmed that our 2nd Amendment is a birth right and not a privelage. If she were to even attempt a disarmament program, there would be a Civil War or worse.

  • Albert L Biele

    Hillary has approximately 666 personalities. The problem is to figure out what personality she’s using on any particular day. In this instance, she makes-up the term, “Security review,” rather than, “criminal investigation,” regarding the ongoing FBI investigation for the serious mishandling of Top-secrete, and above top secret information, notwithstanding, her decision to erase 30 thousand plus emails purposed to rid herself of the evidence that will eventually put her behind bars. She continually claims the email was not marked “Confidential.’ I say, why would anyone vote for a presidential candidate that cannot differentiate between unsecured information and information that is confidential, top-secret, and beyond top-secret? She belongs in jail!

    • Mister Vice

      Guilty of Espionage according to the laws governing the mishandling of classified information.

  • Broos

    Why can’t at least y’all of 1776 Coalition characterize her calumny as OutRight LYING; in contempt of the Law, Constitution and US citizenry?!

  • Bruce Sanford

    Hitlary has become the female equivalent to Ovomit when it comes to lies. Both are guilty as hell on the Benghazi murders and I’m sure some of that may lie in these emails she’s trying so hard to hide.It’s also why I feel Ovomit, though he may not be her “best friend”, is doing his best to see she doesn’t get indicted, because he knows that if she goes, she’ll take his lying butt with her. I’ve yet to see the movie”13 Hours” about what went on during Benghazi, and though I hear neither Hitlary or Ovomit are not mentioned in the movie, I hope anyone with an ounce of intelligence realizes who really was responsible for this incident, and pays dearly for it.

    • BOC

      Someone needs a makeover.

      • American patriot

        You’re right. Unfortunately, I don’t know anyone that can help YOU there. Sorry.

        • BOC

          A person gets a makeover when what they have isn’t working for them. It’s been working for us , well over 7 years.

          • Mister Vice

            Better start working on your Plan B, Blubber Mouth.

      • Mister Vice

        Are you queer?

  • kbfallon

    What she is …is a deceitful-lying sack of chit, who has no interest in anything except satisfying her own ambitions. She will have a lot of foreign govts. and big money donors very upset if she does not get elected and provide them with what they have already paid her for.

  • smith_citizen

    Steve Pomerantz is too much of a gentleman and expert to say what it truly is and unfortunately the authors of this article are too nice as well. Hillary is not misleading, she is a world accomplished liar, but at least she keeps this all in the family unlike her potential 1st Man. Anyone following any of the email stories need only to see the facsimiles that Judicial Watch was able to begrudgingly FOIA- out of the State Department. Inside baseball requires some Intel 101, and if you look at the sanitized emails which still have “tear lines” in them, but classifications removed which were between Hillary, the WINO-Wife in Name Only, and Sid “Vicious” Blumenthal, her “lawyer” note that any classifications were cut out, but the dotted tear lines still are in evidence. Military personnel and Intelligence Community personnel would all be in prison by now if doing the same, yet this Administration, President, and Attorney General toe the Clintonian line planning that this too shall pass. Time to wake up people! The last resignation out of conscience may have been the Saturday Night Massacre during the Nixon Watergate investigation in 1973. It will be quite interesting what FBI Director Comey does as he still has input into this, and it will be a clear indication of the state of our nation with what follows.

    • Mister Vice

      Amen Brother! This is what I have been saying forever now. Anyone who has worked with classified information understands the rules and requirements EXTREMELY well or face the possibility of going to jail and losing your status. I assume you have experience in the same. Like I have said before, many people here posting garbage about “Hillary has done nothing wrong” have no idea what they’re talking about. You gotta know the program to understand how much wrong Hillary has done already!

  • Dick

    Hillary, I think your Depends is to tight, or it could be full of bull shit. Give up girl . They have your ass in there sights. Your done………….next case

  • RufusVonDufus

    Just another Clinton lie to go along with a long string of them way too many to even bother mentioning! What the hell has she done anyway that qualifies her for being president? Fired the travel office, had V. Foster killed, hid the Whitewater papers in the Oral Office, stole the WH furnishings, you could go on and on! American voters must be the dumbest or most entitled in the world. I know the gimmiedats are!

    • rwp24382

      Don’t forget the first job she had with the Watergate committee. She was fired from it because of lying, unethical law practices, and violations of the Constitution. Her boss was a Democrat! Did I mention the word lying to describe her performance? It seems she has had a few years to hone her craft.

      • Rx7pj

        The Watergate committee?? Really? ?
        Better check your facts, or lack there of.

      • BOC

        False! Dick Morris claim about Hillary’s professional career and related abilities are nothing more than misleading non-sequitur.
        Furthermore, she was not fired and there is no record of her being unethical in her law practice.

        • Mister Vice

          Did he say “unethical”? He meant to say “inept”.

        • TOM

          Only the fact that her boss at the time called her a liar, and removed her from the case for being a liar and unethical, she has been unethical with life, but look out she is now courting the black vote. More promises that the gimmecrats can’t keep like the last 50 yrs.

          • BOC

            What boss, what removal? Never happened.

          • TOM

            I answered your statement! What Boss, I named him, what removal, the article, by the way was reported in 37 different papers, most liberal, confirmed all that was stated. It did happen, and are you calling your liberal rags, unnewsworthy????? Come on BOC she is going to go down, and it is not going to be on Bill. I don’t read and believe everything, that is why we are having our conversations. Smile you got Bernie to fall back on!!!

          • BOC

            No you did not. If you’re talking about the (wrong) name from weeks ago when we blogged on this subject, try again. He most certainly wasn’t her boss, just one of her colleagues. What was reported in 37 papers? Name a few of them using specific citation. You seem to have difficulty supporting what you post. If you do not read and believe everything, why are you referencing 37 papers?

            It looks like to me the ‘Carnival Barker’ is the one going down. I don’t know why he thought he could get close to the finish-line without being challenged on the ‘Birther” question. Surely, he had to of know this would be a major roadblock for him? I tried to bring this to everyone’s attention at the onset.

            I know you guys are hoping and praying that Bernie can knock off Hillary so that your party can have some type of fighting chance to screw-up the economy and country again. The only concern I have about Bernie is his age and stamina. I just don’t think he’s got enough or is up for the challenge. I just don’t think he would survive the office.

            Come-on Tom, “stop pulling my leg.”

          • BOC

            False! Stop reading those ‘bottom-feeder’ tabloids. You come-off like a crustacean, you’ll read and believe anything.

        • GypsyCowboy

          Kool aid tasting good?

          • Rx7pj

            Boy you really love your kool aid don’t you?

          • BOC

            I like coffee without sugar.

      • believe

        Look at the Obama’s they both lost there law license for lying. but that didn’t deter them from lying.The only thing they know. The truth would put them in a coma.
        There both showing the stress knowing the truth is about to catch up with them.O YES and the truth is showing it’s ugly head about the Bush’s being TRAITORS to AMERICA.and at least 60% of our politicians HOLDING OFFICE in OUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT are TRAITORS.What a shock of the times?? I printed this off so i could reread it,I couldn’t believe it. But there is NO denying it, proof is there.
        http://rense.com/general58/suspre.htm

    • Jim

      I cannot understand how any American could even consider voting for her for anything. Do her supporters don’t listen the any news at all. Do they not care at all about our freedom and way of life., If somehow hillary gets in you can kiss The America we know good bye. She already said she would love to appoint obama to the supeme court and she wants the sheria law to be applied to our laws of this land. She wants the U N to take control of our gun ownership. So how can anyone want to vote for this person. Beats me.

      • supergun

        The ones who would vote for her are the losers in life. They don’t have jobs or have trouble keeping a job. They have nothing to lose with all the stuff that she or bernie promises will not be paid by them. Many of them are brain dead that has be taught liberalism in our schools. They roam amongst us.

        • Texas Belle

          Not all are without jobs; just look at all the Reporters in the New Media who are pushing her for President. Also those in Academia who are instructing our young people on Communism.

          • supergun

            Crazy,,,isn’t it?

          • BOC

            I didn’t want to diagnose her, Glad you did.

          • supergun

            I am not a doctor.

          • supergun

            Glad you agree.

          • BOC

            Seriously, lady.

        • BOC

          Go sober up! We are now in the 21 century, why don’t you join us. This is not the Barry Goldwater era 1964.

          Wake Up!

          • supergun

            We are heading to the 20 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT, and you write this? Oh yeah, when the unintelligent don’t give a dam citizens outnumber the Americans, you can kiss our a$$ goodbye.

          • Mister Vice

            What do you know about Barry Goldwater? Were you of voting age in the 60s? Were you alive in the 60s?

          • believe

            Mister Vice, have you always shown disrespect to people. Not raised by intelligent people that didn’t teach you much??

          • Mister Vice

            What you writing a frickin’ book about me? My life hasn’t been exactly filled with charm or charming people. I made a career in the military and maybe that made me cynical from all the unnecessary bullshit (that’s a military term and every GI knows what I mean when I say it) and the horrifying crap I exxperienced and saw others experience. Oh yeah, I had a year filled with periodic random physical and sexual torture and abuse. That sort of changed me, my language got pretty bad after although I was an English major in school. Anyway, there was some heartbreak thrown in and an ex-wife who took everything I had. Is that enough or do you need more info? So I have manic-depression disorder and PTSD, according to the VA. They give me pills, I take them and instead of going crazy and hunting you down with a machete, I go on-line and share my caustic opinion with all you wonderful folks. No, seriously I really do love people and you wouldn’t know me if we met somewhere. Most people like me and I like them. Just for some strange reason I get a little crazy when I read some of the ridiculous crap that people post. It’s like when you drive your car down the road and you are courteous, obeying the laws and everything, then out of nowhere some stupid jackass comes screaming up your right side in lane that was clearly marked as “LANE ENDS” 500 ft earlier and this maniac thinks it is his inherent right to PASS EVERYONE before his lane ends! So you HAVE to slam on the brakes and risk getting sideswiped by this ferret-brained pinhead. Why can’t people like that get nailed by the cops? How do they get away with that? They put everyone’s life in danger and I’m telling you that I didn’t survive all the shit I survived only to be killed by freaking numbskull with the IQ of a celery stick! So this is what I am now. I didn’t used to be like this and I sometimes feel real bad about having bad things to say but it keeps me off the streets. I am not a hate-filled person but I am a cynic with a sharp tongue (pen?) sometimes. Sorry.

          • I Seigel

            Oh, an English major! That explains your good spelling and good grammar. Not much else though.

          • Greg

            Your forgiven, thanks for your service!

      • Rx7pj

        They voted for Bush didn’t they?

        • ken51136

          Bush 7 Trillion, part of which he inherited from Bill and Hillary (and we all know who really controlled Bill’s administration; or should I say who wore the pants, (Bill didn’t need his.) compared to Over 20 Trillion by the time Obama and his sidekicks are through. He ran for president on the Words that he would lower the deficit easily in his first term. By the time he is out the deficit will have TRIPLED. NOT ONCE has he stayed home to balanced the budget. but instead blamed ( Bush and everyone but the commander in chief ( himself )) congress for not giving him and his cronies more money to spend on dead end causes (Billions on solyndra solar (shovel ready jobs), Billions to Iran’s Nuclear Bomb, importing Illegals (mexicans, muslims,etc.) and dozens of other wasteful liberal projects ( None for the Homeless Here ) that cost the taxpayers / citizens of this country and nothing from the liberals in Washington who are only after those Illegal votes at all cost to the taxpayers..

          • BOC

            Ken still being misled.

          • ken51136

            Have you ever thought you AS A Liberal; you’re so brainwashed and blinded by What you think Washington is doing is not what is really happening. Unless you are looking forward to this country turning into a third world dictatorship by the hands of all those sheeple who are backing people like: Progressive, communist socialist Barry Sanders, Marxist communist Obama, Progressive socialist Liar Hillary Clinton and her Rapist Husband Bill. This country will be no better than China or Russia with the backing of Billionaire George Soros. This is a Truth the liberals ignore. Just like the fact this country is worst of sense the 7+ years Obama and Soros have been in the drivers seat. Obama’s last year will be a lame duck session with the probability of a deep recession, Marshal Law, Possibility of EMT attack from N Korea and or Iran; all would Work for Obama and Hillary’s Agenda.

          • BOC

            We’ve already experienced a recession under ‘W’ Bush. You must’ve been on Mars during this time period or your head was buried in the sand. From reading the other parts of your published thread, maybe confused and mislead by fox and the other conspiracy ‘talking-heads’. Economic data indicates that we have come a long way despite the ‘obstructionism’ the POTUS 44 (was/is) continually confronted with on a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly, basis.

            Google NOLAN CHART and honestly take the test. You’ll probably surprise yourself as it relates to your political position in this country. You’re definitely wrong about mine based on this test.

            Never heard of an EMT attack. But I heard of a EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) nuclear device attack. But the current U.S. posture versus such a weapon is lackadaisical, if not entirely nonexistent. Then, you really start losing it at the end of your rant.

          • ken51136

            You are right; I meant EMP and the article I read was that Obama and the liberals have done nothing to prevent it from happening and would like to see it happen; so this country would be knocked to its’ knees. Everything run by chips / electrical would most likely be fried; Cars, cell phones, banking systems, Electrical Grids. there would be total Chaos, hunger, cold; for those especially in the north, no water or sewer systems. We would be almost be in the Dark Ages; with looting and Chaos. North Korea and Iran don’t need a nuke to take out this country; only the 4 EMPs nukes they are developing. https://www.google.com/url?
            http://www.fastcompany.com/3056438/should-you-worry-about-north-korean-emp-attacks-yes-and-no

          • ken51136

            You were right; I did mean EMP. The article I read defined what little the Liberals and Washington have done to Protect Its’ citizens against such a disaster, how little they care, and Why they don’t care. It makes sense; with what Obama and Washington have and or have not done.
            http://www.fastcompany.com/3056438/should-you-worry-about-north-korean-emp-attacks-yes-and-no

          • ken51136

            I don’t worry too much: because a country boy can survive. And you know if it comes to pass; I have the means to do just that.

            SHOULD YOU WORRY ABOUT NORTH KOREAN EMP ATTACKS?

            YES AND NO.

            BY CHRISTINA FARR

            Senator Ted Cruz wants us to freak out about a new threat: Satellites over the eastern seaboard detonating a large electromagnetic-pulse that knocks out anything with a circuit board and results in the deaths of millions of Americans.

            At tonight’s Republican debate, Cruz described a nightmare scenario in which North Korea develops a new superweapon that wreaks havoc on our electric grid. He isn’t the first Republican candidate to reference EMP damage. Rick Santorum recently described a scenario in which “planes fall out of the sky.” Ben Carson said America’s enemies were developing nuclear weapons that will explode and “destroy our electric grid.”

            Pretty terrifying, but is this anything more than fearmongering and a relic from the Cold War?

            Dr. Yousaf Butt, a senior research fellow at National Defense University and an expert on the topic, recently told the Washington Post that he’s not all that concerned. “I’m just saying the threat, if it’s being cast as a rogue nation or a terrorist trying to do this, it seems like a difficult way for them to achieve harm,” Butt said.

            Such a weapon is possible, but it’s extremely challenging. As Butt told the Washington Post, it would require a massive nuclear explosion (far larger than a recent test in North Korea), a missile that can deliver a very precise attack, and a willingness to deliver such an attack that would likely result in mutually assured destruction.

            As Slate recently put it, the threat of an EMP attack is real, and possibly even growing. However, the authors also say that “you have far more to fear from nut-obsessed squirrels than nutty extremists when it comes to the reliability of your electricity.”

            Well, that’s reassuring!

          • Mister Vice

            It will be nice to have a new security-minded president who has the good sense to put an end to the nonsense occurring along our airspace border with Russian fighters and bombers skirting that edge trying to provoke us. We all know how much respect the Russians have demonstrated concerning other countries’ sovereign airspace, don’t we? It takes a Reaganesque approach to end this buffoonery.

          • ken51136

            You got that right. I wonder if Russia is testing US to see how hard it would be to nail us with 4 EMPs’ to put us in the dark ages and destroy this country over night. Just a thought. We know they have what it would take.

          • Mister Vice

            By the facts…

      • BOC

        Listen to what news, FoxNews? That’s not news it’s propaganda and conspiracy. Maybe you’re referring to Rush Limbaugh, Bill ‘O’Really’ O’Reilly, or the other slackard,Glenn Beck. I would include Sean Hannity but why bother when you got Roger Ailes.

        Give us a break. Nothing could be more disastrous than the ‘W’ Bush years, what a nightmare the American people experienced. Ask the senior citizens who are still alive after going through splitting their med’s to stay alive or making the decision to eat or medicate. Ask those who watched their 401K’s disappear under the cowboys watch. Ask the former middle-class what happened to their cost of living and quality of life.

        • captainmvh

          ostrich

          • BOC

            Never did care much about “rubberneckers,” they hold up progress. ‘

          • Paul

            Your clearly nothing more than a proud Democratic
            ” PARROT “

          • BOC

            Sorry! I never been known as a follower.

          • BOC

            I’ve never been known as a follower or someone to mimic others.

        • Kathie Stroder

          The reason we went into such debt on Bush’s watch is because he expanded Medicare to pay for prescription drugs for the elderly and disabled. How do you attribute people not being able to get their medicine to him? Guess you don’t know the truth.

          • BOC

            Sounds like that’s what you’re searching for, in all the wrong places.

        • Greg

          Wow !! You really believe all that? And get your facts straight !! 401K goes directly to giving everyone and anyone a mortgage whether they qualified or not!! Ever hear of Bill Clinton ?? And community reinvestment act? And how everyone deserves to own a home? Yeah your woman abuser and rapist initiated that! And because we are called racist nobody had the guts to stop it!! Don’t be so blinded by Rachel madcow and Chrissy Mathews !!

        • Mister Vice

          There you go again regurgitating nonsense that you’ve been taught to spread as truth. Hillary is famous for her anecdotal examples that prove nothing. I see you’d like to follow her lead.

        • believe

          BOTH parties have a lot of questions to answer to the AMERICAN PEOPLE. It is hard any more to tell the difference.CORRUPTION is running rampet through OUR WHITE HOUSE.

          NO RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE AND WERE THERE BOSS.THEY OBVIOUSLY DON’T REMEMBER THAT. MUST REMIND THEM.

          • BOC

            Okay, we start in Michigan by ousting the republican governor and then bring him up on criminal charges. The people of Flint MI. would greatly appreciate it.

      • believe

        THE People aren’t putting them in. Check the facts.The ILLUMINATI is choosing who sets and works in OUR WHITE HOUSE.PEOPLE aren’t stupid other than the people that can’t read or do research on what is really going on.. They just go on what some one tells them truth isn’t a factor with a lot of people. But there still wasn’t enough stupid people if they all voted Obama wouldn’t be setting in OUR OVAL OFFICE,
        We have to find a way to get rid of all the members of the Illuminati, they have been around for a long time in a lot of countries. i guess they would be called the HITLERS of the world.75% of the People would be SHOCKED at how many politicians we have running our country that belong to this CULT.
        IF you really care about your children and Grand children you should know who they are and how they plan to have a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.They will never live in an AMERICAN FREE WORLD AGAIN IF THERE NOT ELIMINATED and HIGHER MORALS AND OUR MOTTO “IN GOD WE TRUST” ISN’T RESTORED AT ONCE.
        http://rense.com/general59/suspre.htm

    • DWB

      The Clintons are some of the most corrupt beings on earth. They have stolen more and had people murdered to cover things up than we can imagine.

      • Rx7pj

        Actually the most corrupt administration in history was Reagan’s.

        • BOC

          NIXON!

      • BOC

        Where’s the moonshine!

        • Mister Vice

          Why? Did you drink all you had and run out?

    • General “Bull” Krapper

      She doesn’t lie. Just “misspeaks”! — Hopefully she & Ali Obama will be new cast members on ” Orange is the New Black”. — Stay Well, Safe & Free

      • Rx7pj

        Just like Cruz

        • ken51136

          If you’re indicating or speaking of those who Deliberately Misspeaks; we all know It’s The Clinton’s, Obama, Poloski, and the rest of the communist politicians in Washington who are destroying this country for their own purposes, and not for the true American Citizens.

        • Mister Vice

          CRuz is more honest than YOU will ever be Rx7pj!

      • Mister Vice

        Or she claims that the public is brainwashed by the Republican party, an entity that she has declared to be “her enemies” both collectively and individually. I am morally restrained from endorsing my self-professed “enemy”. Oh yeah, she also claims that we all “mis-hear” her words. We are not educated enough to comprehend English at her level, I guess. I turn off the volume anytime she is on the tube speaking (like before an investigative committee or a Democratic debate) and I find her much easier to watch that way. But even then I can tell she is lying through her teeth by her body language. try it and you’ll see what I mean.

    • BOC

      The biggest liars ever encountered was the ‘W’ Bush administration and his minions. WMD, Iraq, Afghanistan and their frustration about not being able to add Iran to their multi-trillion dollar war machine list.
      Domestically, the list is too long to post.

      Hillary has government service experience. She also had an inside look on what the POTUS tasks and responsibilities were and how to prioritize and deal with them. No other candidate can make these types of claims.

      • TOM

        BOC BIG ON CLINTON Yea she has service experience see has seen the POTUS tasks, she will know not to wear blue pants suits so she don’t get any white sticky stuff on them, and just maybe it will be Bill’s and not from her girlfriend. Yea she prioritized and dealt with a lot of things, including how to improperly remove White House furniture. OPPS not mine Dam Bill we will have to return it. I am sorry you have your head up Bill and Hillary’s ass so far you can’t reasonably think anymore, but she will go down, most of the people who respond to these postings feel the same way. She is a Liar, unethical, can’t be trusted, has accepted large sums of money from known terror groups, in the name of humanity. The news reports more on her mis doings than her benefits, that will tell you a lot about her. Have a good day Boc

        • BOC

          ” She is a Liar, unethical, can’t be trusted, has accepted large sums of money from known terror groups?”

          Those news tabloids and propaganda talking-heads are hazardous to one’s diminished intellect.

          • Mister Vice

            You have diminished intellect? Well that explains quite a bit about your posts here, doesn’t it?

          • Mister Vice

            Can I use your quote above about Hillary? It pretty much sums her up and I am so elated that you have finally emerged from the fog of insanity and realize the truth.

          • BOC

            That’s not my quote. Which tell us you’re english is limited.

          • TOM

            Most of those quotes come from the famous liberal NY Paper. no Propaganda. Diminished, you are either putting on a good show, or your views have to be coming from rose colored glasses. Just what has she done to be qualified for the Job outside of being the first lady? She surely sucked at being the SOD, and couldn’t follow the demands of her boss either. I think everything I said pretty much summed Hillary up, to many people have REPORTED THOSE THINGS about her character , most Americans feel she is untrustworthy, unethical as hell, and it is noted in her books what groups she has accepted money from, and like I said most middle eastern countries that they have accepted money from are on the List as terriost groups. She is also married to the Rapist of the century, which was a right wing conspiracy to. not to mention all the other shit that has followed her name. Wait a minute BOC, I am talking to Bill Clinton right??

          • BOC

            Hello!
            She was SOS. A lot of people say a lot of things about others without thinking them out first. You seem to be having these same challenges.

          • TOM

            BOC good morning, didn’t seem to me that the people of NH had any problem thinking things out first. Their number one factor with not voting for Clinton, untrustworthy, unethical, , and her new name Hillary Goldman=Sachs Clinton. Not my words, just the exit polls of the voters. so be it I am sure she is licking her sore ass today, saying it will get better, now she has to overcome, Lying to the FBI and Congressional Panel, but answer for her support from Goldman Sachs, WOW better jump on Bernie the socialist bandwagon before it is to late. Have a great day

          • BOC

            She was not expected to win in her opponent’s own backyard. Everyone knew what the outcome would be, except you. Bernie was expected to win, it was a ‘gimme’. He allowed one and that’s it for him.

            This other rhetoric you conveniently tacked on is just your personal rant. On to Carolina.

          • TOM

            BOC I am shocked that you would think that I tacked on rhetoric. I seem to be getting a lot of rhetoric from MSNBC, NBC, ABC< and CBS. I visit the same sites you do, and post on most of those, so we both must be getting our rhetoric from the same spots. Here is my personal rant on Hillary, she is a lying sack of sh*t with a blond wig, unethical, devious, outdated sea hag, that is married to a rapist, that I voted for, Holy sh*t where is the tylenol

          • BOC

            In other words you have nothing constructive to say so you publish your I.Q.

          • TOM

            BOC at least I have one! Now another daily surprise from the Clit on’s , the foundation is under investigation, WOW what a Fukking surprise. Don’t ride those coat tails to hard, you might be candidateless

          • BOC

            Stop dreaming.

          • BOC

            “Coat-tails?” Never been known as a follower. As for candidate affiliation, none-committal. The same with my politics. On the NOLAN CURVE I’m straight down the middle.

          • BOC

            By the way, my apology. Good Morning to you as well.

          • Mister Vice

            A job title means little. It doesn’t count for diddly on a resume for the rest of the world anyway. What matters is the results you got while holding that job. What were Hillary’s accomplishments after so long in the job. Seems to me the world is more of a mess after the US involvement, especially in arab nations, than ever before. Instability, violence, civil war and strife is what I see. She isn’t promising to do much of anything except to “continue the good works started by Pres Obama.” which I interpret to mean she doesn’t intend to do much of anything. She has nothing to offer? Are we done with the “Hope and Change” thing now? I hope so. I’ve lost hope from all of the change brought by socialists.

          • BOC

            There’s only one fragment of truth in your thread above.

            “…. “continue the good works started by Pres Obama.”…….”

            So, if you lost hope. I cringe thinking what your psychological state was under ‘W’ Bush. ‘Straight-Jacket,’ huh!

          • Mister Vice

            No my witless friend. I was active duty under Bush and I, like most all of the military, trusted the judgement of our CinC. I didn’t agree with the invasion of Iraq but at least I understood WHY he did. With Obama, the military HATES him with the exception of a few who judge him only by the color of his skin. Everything he has done around the world has been a huge catastrophe. Our allies mistrust now and the enemies make fun of us before the world. No ine respects America and why? It was never like that before? You BOC, I think I will quit right here. Talking with you is useless. You are a stubborn close-minded bonehead. You try to turn every issue into some jousting match making jokes out of the issues. I guess that is all you have left when the evidence doesn’t favor your desire, huh? Your asinine comment above has just reminded me that you are a gnat on my ass that I should ignore. As far as being a minister, I am definitely not impressed with you. I’m not impressed with any of your annoying sniping. Do you think you will change anyone’s mind or persuade someone to “convert”. You have a lot to learn MINISTER about persuading people. All you do is piss everyone off. Just go back and look at all the negative comments and ratings you get and ask yourself if you are doing any good at all. I think you should throw away your computer and get to work at the job you were commissioned to do!

          • BOC

            You’re under this false illusion that POTUS 44 is a weak leader while it has already been established that he is very much the opposite. Many countries throughout the world has already recognized him as the top leader in the free-world.

            One example:

            Mr Obama is the most highly regarded leader, according to the poll by WIN/Gallup International. Three in five people (59 per cent) have a favourable view of the US President, while one in three (29 per cent) views him unfavourably.

            Ms Merkel is the second most liked leader among the 10 included in the survey.

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/david-cameron-third-most-popular-leader-in-world-after-after-barack-obama-and-angela-merkel-a6782196.html

            Negative ratings are a figment of your imagination. Your profanity says volumes about your intellectual wit.

          • BOC

            “……..trusted the judgement of our CinC?”

            How would a grunt know what that might be, being so far down on the totem pole. And how would you know how most ALL of the military felt about POTUS 43? Just speak for yourself, you would be more believable.

            “With Obama, the military HATES him with the exception of a few who judge him only by the color of his skin?” “Everything he has done around the world has been a huge catastrophe?”

            You’re starting to Ramble, Rant and Rave, again. Regain your composure.

            “Our allies mistrust now and the enemies make fun of us before the world. No ine [sic] respects America and why? It was never like that before?”

            You are 100% correct. That was created by and how it was, under W. Bush, thus 9/11, a dual senseless war which helped destabilize the middle-east. At least the efforts of POTUS 44 regained the trust of our allies. But stabilizing the middle-east is a work in progress because the cowboy from Crawford, Tx and his band of miscreants really stirred-up a hornet’s nest in the name of economic gamesmanship and personal vendetta’s.

            You carelessly mention evidence, something I have that you can only fabricate. What negative ratings? Approvals are not negatives. Citations support everything I have said, no speculations in my threads whatsoever.

            Having posted this, I think I’ll take your advice and “get to work at the job I’m obligated to do because others depend on me to perform it.

      • Mister Vice

        The WMD got sent to Iran just like Saddam did in the first Gulf War when he sent his weaponry there in spite of their differences. Bush was mislead by some late Intel, I’m afraid. Did you know HUssein refused to let the Weapons Inspectors in to inspect although he signed papers agreeing to no-notice inspections for WMD? What conclusion would YOU draw from such actions?

    • BOC

      We don’t want to get into the Rush Limbaugh conspiracy theory regarding Vince Foster, now do we.

  • rwp24382

    She has to keep telling whoppers, to keep her campaign from going under. I hope that this does go to trial and then she can explain all the lies she has told. They caught her in a couple lies, in the 13 hour testimony she said that turned up nothing. At some point, the dam is going to break and it will destroy a lot of things in its path.

  • hangman57

    Americans are watching the FBI , AG Lynch and Obama on this Indictment on Hillary ! If they don’t indict her ,we will have a Constitutional Crisis !

    • gdhdcx

      I would be more like a revolt, or maybe a revolution. For what she has done dosen’t take 150 agents to gather the evidence. Wonder what all that will cost the taxpayers, again.

      • hangman57

        It is sad that people can’t play by the rules , This is a lot of FBI agents who could be used on other things , like finding Terrorist within our Country !

        • supergun

          she is a disaster.

          • Rx7pj

            No you arguments are

          • supergun

            NEWS ALERT: Walking Dead is near.

          • BOC

            NO! That be the GOP.

          • supergun

            hillary is the one with all the top secret e-mails on her private server,,,,,just in case you woke from a comma.

          • BOC

            No the only people comatose are the FAUX- PAZ viewing audience. You guys will never awaken until we democrats pour cold water on you.

          • Mister Vice

            Again I’m telling you it’s spelled F-A-U-X P-A-S. Do you not own a spell-check? Didn’t you get beyond the ninth grade and KNOW how to spell on your own?

            Besides your use of that French phrase is incorrect. The meaning is “SOCIAL BLUNDER”. For example: “Attending the party without thanking the hostess would be a serious FAUX PAS.” Get it? Please don’t rely solely upon Google or the online thesaurus to expand your vocabulary, Chief!

          • supergun

            There is a percentage of people who walk around that doesn’t have a clue. Scary that they let you vote.

          • Mister Vice

            You are jealous Gouda On Pumpernickel! And the correct syntax is “That WOULD be the GOP.” Didn’t you finish school?

        • I Seigel

          Yes, and a lot of better things that Congress could be doing for the good of the country, instead of voting 60 times to abolish Obamacare. And holding hearing after hearing about Benghazi. It’s almost like they’re just playing at partisan politics, instead of working to govern for the benefit of the nation.

          • hangman57

            if Hillary ,Obama , and the State Department released all the files on Benghazi ,It would have been done a year ago . But everyone is hiding witnesses and File to Benghazi even after a court order . That is the reason it is getting dragged out . Only if Democrats could just follow the laws . We would never have got to this point . The White House and Obama are not transparent , they are corrupted .

          • Rx7pj

            Garbage

          • Mister Vice

            You finally managed to spit it out, didn’t you?

          • BOC

            Stop dreaming or is this your personal nightmare?

          • Mister Vice

            Did you just say “Stop dreaming”? And you claim to be a liberal? Shame, shame shame on you, bad, bad person!!! One more comment like that and I’m calling Sen Sanders!

          • BOC

            ” And you claim to be a liberal?”

            When did I claim such a thing? I never did. What I did do is suggest that you google the Nolan Curve. TAKE THE SURVEY/TEST, which I gave my results on this thread.

            I don’t think you will be able to reach Senator Sanders in the Carolina’s because he’s going to have his hands full of other more pressing priorities. That isn’t New Hampshire you know.

          • Mister Vice

            Well, in my defense, you DO attack conservatives and you DO defend the socialist liberals. Where I come from if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, swims like a duck and smells like a duck…it’s most likely a duck!

            If you aren’t a liberal I apologize for the unintentional slander. Now then how do you describe yourself?

          • BOC

            The only thing I’ve posted was the truth and nothing but the truth. As to where these truth’s land on your radar screen are things you have to deal with, hopefully honestly. As to what label I identify with is not important. But I have presented my political position on a number of occasions and have asked members on this thread to do the same if they choose to verify what they think their positions are. You should pay more attention to these threads.

          • Mister Vice

            Apparently you have placed more importance on these “threads’ than they deserve. Everyone, you included, post their opinion and the facts are really questionable. You talk about truths but you clearly are speaking only about whatever bilge you are spouting. However, I hate to break this news to you Mr Nobody is that you are the ONLY person who believes what you say. You are full of it!

          • BOC

            Not true look around. But first, you must open your eyes. Still waiting to see up votes for you on these threads. It just isn’t happening here for you.

          • BOC

            What facts are you bringing into question. Who is everyone that I’m bringing. What truths did I post that you are challenging. You are sorely lacking specifics here.

            Why do I get the distinct feeling that you are on another of your RANTS?

          • I Seigel

            All the investigations led by very ideological Republicans, including Trey Gowdy, have all revealed just the opposite. But facts, as we know, are unimportant. It’s all about rumors, conspiracy theories, and “hey, I read it on the Internet, so it’s gotta be true.”

          • Mister Vice

            Oh but the facts are VERY important. It is not the conservatives that squelch the facts. We want nothing for Hillary beyond what she deserves to get!!

          • I Seigel

            Yes!! Facts are important!! You finally get it!! Not rumors, hearsay, or conspiracy theories. Facts!! Trey and company, after their very best efforts, tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, and countless wasted hours, haven’t found anything actionable

          • Mister Vice

            Keep your britches on. It is on the way. We’ll have the facts tattooed on your forehead if that’s what it takes for you to see the obvious!

          • I Seigel

            Keep me posted. Let me know when you come up with a fact or two. Until then, my britches are staying on.

          • DWB

            I agree and the corrupt Congress needs a good cleaning out and have people that think of the good of the country and not filling their bank accounts.

          • Mister Vice

            What this country needs is a good enema (politically speaking, that is) and hopefully next January we can flush out all the toxins that we’ve built up in the WH and Congress!

          • Frodo

            the people do not want obama care, they want to choose who they want for their care.
            that is why congress keeps chipping away at obumernocare..
            the reason it has been hearing after hearing is because the dem [hillery] will not cooperate with investigators.
            she THINKS it will go away if she stalls.
            THIS CRAP aint going AWAY
            the FBI is conducting a full blown CRIMINAL investigation.
            NOT THE GOP, the FBI is/was obamas appointee

          • Rx7pj

            No true, not ALL people don’t like the ACA. There are millions that have benefited from it and the vast majority of Americans saw no change from their previous insurance. The ONLY people complaining are you right winged haters.

          • supergun

            It has helped many people, but it has hurt far more than it has helped. Why destroy many people’s insurance so that others can be helped, when a plan could have be put together to help everyone. This is what happens when imbeciles are put in office.

          • BOC

            W Bush has been gone for some time now. Even though we are still cleaning up his mess.

          • supergun

            We enjoyed many prosperous years under the Bushes. Perhaps he is to blame for all the wall street crooks in 08. No one is perfect, but the wrong policies and agenda the last 7 plus years has been destructive for America. We could have done better with a real leader for President.

          • BOC

            Stop pretending. We both know you are not a part of the 1% club, only the wannabe club. I think we have done better under 44, as opposed to, POTUS 43 which tried to economically starve, or get us all killed in these senseless wars.

          • Mister Vice

            What do you mean “..get us all killed in these senseless wars.”? Were YOU in uniform? Did you risk something after 9-11 to combat terrorism? I would surely be surprised that you did and make asinine remarks like you do. Say whatever you like about Bush but one thing he did RIGHT was go after those bastards. I was but one guy sent over there to kill those murderous pricks and it meant extending my service by another year but I was only too happy. During “those senseless wars” YOUR stupid ass didn’t get attacked here in the US did it? Of course not. We took the war TO THEM! They were too busy dodging pissed off GIs with guns, knives, mortars, mines, rockets, planes, ships, tanks, choppers, etc to be able to carry out further nonsense in our beloved homeland. War is ugly. Killing is unpleasant and being shot at or bombed is horrifying but we took the oath and we kept it. Now along comes dipstick Hussein apologizing for America, bowing before Arabs and disrespecting our allies. He wants to empty the prisons, allow illegal felons to roam our streets, and send the evil we had locked up in Gitmo to Africa or their home base to unleash Lord only knows what upon unsuspecting innocents. Yet you worship this knucklehead and denigrate the one man that actually had your safety and the safety of your loved ones in mind when he launched the greatest, most powerful military in the world to eliminate an enemy that hides behind children, uses women for suicide missions, operate out of mosques, and every other cowardly manner of fighting without wearing a uniform to identify them on a battlefield. You, sir, are a total bonehead and somehow got disconnected from the brain that God gave to you before birth. Time to smarten up, isn’t it?

          • supergun

            And now isis terrorists are flooding the boarders. I would not want to be part of the 1% and you hollered out.

          • BOC

            Corny!

          • supergun

            We live in a corny world. Next question.

          • Mister Vice

            I believe we should elect 3 presidents in 2016. The reason should be obvious but I’ll explain anyway. We need 1 president to “run the country” as the usual president would do. The other two would be used to fix all the crap that Obama f–ed up these past 8 years!

          • Mister Vice

            You are right. I am a hater. I hate the way the socialists want to steal money from my pocket and food off my children’s plates to finance programs to give things to people that I have had to work my way up from the bottom to afford. In fact, some of those programs I have not been able to benefit from (not sure why that was) and THAT really pisses me off about the leftists. You LOVE to give away someone else’s money (something I call STEALING) to ease your guilt for Lord knows what. Not sure that you can back up your claim but I am sure many people HAVE benefitted from the ACA. How many have been HURT by it? What is your data on that, wise ass? Also you are dead wrong that the ONLY people complaining are right wingers. There are plenty of leftists that dislike it also, I have met and talked to them. So shut up left winged hater!

          • BOC

            Ranting and Raving. But we have yet to see the evidence that can support your grievance.Could this be because it’s Faux Paz [false].

          • Mister Vice

            No need to explain the definition of Faux Pas, you were probably not yet a bulge in your mama’s belly when I used it in a school debate. Your usage is improper syntax error, by the way.

            You read the news at all? I won’t waste my time regurgitating the obvious for a worm that proves himself to be another socialist lemming. You want free stuff (college debts to pay?) and you want someone else to pay for it. This is the only thing the Democrats ever offer.

            Sorry but I’ve run out of time. Contact me again sometime for your continuing edification…

          • Frodo

            recent polls shows 46% Americans do not want obamanocare.

            call me a hater if you wish, I dont want to pay for YOUR healthcare,
            get off your A$$ get a job, stop sucking off of the system like a leech.

          • BOC

            Stop displaying your ignorance, everyone has to pay their own premiums. Insurance premium rates are just being regulated e.g. pre-existing conditions clause eliminated.

          • Frodo

            only ignorance on this board is you my friend.
            who do you think is picking up the cost of the health care to these po folk?
            premimums/deductibles is NOT the only cost,
            it is only roughly 10% what about the 90% ?
            who is paying for their medicaid?
            i guess you are one of the kool aid drinkers who believe everything is free.
            someone has to PAY for the free stuff.

            I guess you are for free college for everyone also.
            at a price of 70 billion a year.

            free hell,

          • Mister Vice

            Explain where the money comes from to make ACA “affordable” for people who couldn’t afford it before. I know it sure as hell isn’t coming out of the insurance companies’ collective pocket! Who pays?

          • BOC

            Stop trying to confuse the issue. Reduced (fair market value) premium costs makes insurance coverage more affordable for the masses who need coverage. The PPACA membership numbers show that this healthcare program is well on its way to cover 32 million uninsured residents by 2019. Current trends bear these facts out.

          • Frodo

            the current facts bear out that fact yes they do, you are correct.

            only because the citizens are FORCED by a threat of stiff illegal fines if they do not tow the line.

          • BOC

            Only the gullible and misinformed are complaining. Mostly those out of the non-exchange states/populations [18] because their HCI info on PPACA is being propagandized and suppressed.

          • Mister Vice

            Where do you get your information. I am not confused about anything. Tell me Mr Know-It-All how many people have signed up and how many of those paid their premiums? Then enlighten us with how many people who received benefits were actually eligible to begin with. Do tht. Maybe we can rescue you from the insipid propaganda machine that has you brain washed. Where do you get your information Mr I-Don’t-Belong-To-A-Party! Ha!

          • BOC

            Stop ranting and focus on constructive criticism.

          • BOC

            Get a hold of yourself and when you settle down go go your own research and you will get real truthful answers.

          • Mister Vice

            Do you have any documented evidence that there are “millions” who have enrolled AND are benefitting from it? I mean other than illegal immigrants who don’t pay for squat anyway.

          • dstudie

            I don’t know what you are talking about. Millions lost their policies when Odumbocare said they weren’t good enough and people had to go out and buy more expensive policies. And when they went to the exchanges for coverage, they found they couldn’t get covered. Stop lying.

          • BOC

            PPACA is growing and will not be stopped by a few disgruntled people.

            No government officials are attempting to investigate or interview Hillary for any type of wrongdoing. Only the conspirators like you and Faux Pas.

          • Frodo

            man, you are a dumb a$$.

            FBI is investigating hillery…they have nothing to do with the GOP

            let you in on a little secret. the FBI will NOT interview the criminal Billery. they will not say a word to her
            THE ONLY time they will talk to her
            is when they put the cuffs on her

            They do NOT call and discuss the investigation with the criminal.

          • BOC

            PPACA enrollment, is the subject here joe-bob. Not Bill and Hillery

          • Frodo

            The subject is anything I want it to be
            scrotum face
            scurry back into your troll hole and let the big folks talk

          • I Seigel

            “The people do not want Obama care”? How about the millions who have enrolled in the program? Either thru the exchanges or on their own? Sure, some did because they faced IRS fines, but the majority did because they finally had access to something they’ve wanted and they could never get before. And it obviously has NOT been a “job killer” because the employment rate keeps FALLING.

            Maybe if you only listen to FOX and right-wing websites, you think that “the people” don’t want Obamacare. But there’s a whole other world out there, and you should try to acquaint yourself with it.

          • Frodo

            acording to the New york times gallop poll.

            only 25% of the uninsured are now insured,

            they do not want it, cant afford it

            the AFFORDABLE part of Aca is not affordable
            it has not lived up to any of its promises.

            you answer this..how can an unemployed man or woman, with out children afford $85.00 a mth ?
            in government tax.

            75% of the people you ae talking about STILL have no insurance

            and MILLIONS that did have, do not because they can not afford the FORCED plans the gubment is shoving down their throats

          • I Seigel

            And why do so many still not have health insurance? Because many of the states with Republican governors or legislatures have refused to set up the exchanges or accept Fed funds. Kentucky is one of the ones that’s different. They actually have exchanges, and the people there are quite happy with the system. How woulda thought? A red state with health insurance, and the people are happy. And the governor there wants to EXPAND the system!

          • Frodo

            no one is stopping those people from getting healthcare, they can walk down the street and buy it from who ever they wish.

          • I Seigel

            You’re absolutely right. They could do that. But they don’t or can’t. As you pointed out, they can’t afford it. Why? Maybe they don’t have the opportunity to buy into the insurance that might be offered by their employer. Maybe they are self-employed. Maybe they’re young and don’t think anything will ever happen to them, so they don’t need health insurance. Maybe they are hourly workers and simply can’t afford it. There are many reasons that people don’t can’t afford or don’t feel they need health insurance. I agree. But that doesn’t mean the concept of universal or affordable health care is a bad idea. If those people were offered health insurance with no strings attached, how many do you think would turn it down?

            But there were millions of smokers who didn’t care and don’t care that the research shows very conclusively that smoking causes cancer. Lots of motorcyclists choose not to wear helmets, even though it’s been proven that lots of motorcycle accidents are head injuries, which could be lessened or prevented by wearing helmets. And in both cases, ALL of our insurance premiums go up because these people refuse to stop smoking or wear helmets. But they are exercising their freedoms.

          • Frodo

            so here we are. we both agree they can get health insurance if they want it.

            what makes it my problem, that I should pay for their health insurance?

            simple question

          • I Seigel

            Are you talking about health insurance that’s subsidized by tax dollars? And therefore, by “us”? Is that what you mean?
            Well, I’m not sure “we” should be subsidizing health care for people who don’t want or can’t afford insurance. If that’s your objection, then I agree with you.
            But the answer isn’t as simple as that, unfortunately. Because when those people get sick – and they DO get sick occasionally – they use the very expensive care of emergency rooms, and if they can’t pay the bills – and many can’t, or have to pay over a long period of time – the premiums of anybody else goes up. Same with lung cancer in smokers – we ALL wind up sharing those costs, to one extent or another. That was the whole basis of the debate back in the last decade, and why health care costs were such a big part of the political discussion during the 2008 presidential campaign. Everyone was in agreement and saw the problems in rising health care costs and medicines. Remember?
            The ACA isn’t a perfect system by any means. It needs a lot of improvements. But I don’t hear Republicans coming up with ideas. I hear a lot of “Repeal & Replace”, but so far we’ve only actually SEEN the Repeal part. No plan for the voters to actually see and choose whose ideas are best. It’s much easier to just be against stuff – it’s a lot harder to come up with solutions.

          • Frodo

            It is as simple as that. hospitals are run by companies
            not the government.
            the hospitals are overcharging to pay for those that cant afford. this is a fact, they have said so
            they are getting paid.
            mattr of fact, they are still over charging to pay for those that do not have. AND I am paying more,
            to pay for those that do not have.

            all the aca is, a stepping stone to single pay

            we know that, do not want that, and am fighting against that.

          • I Seigel

            Yes, I agree the hospitals are overcharging. To cover the costs of the uninsured is only one reason, however. You make it sound like the hospitals only started overcharging a couple years ago, when the ACA went into effect. The ACA was conceived to help bring those charges under control, for one thing. It was also designed to help bring the costs of medicines and the profiteering of the drug companies under control.

            So you are against a single payer system. Ok, I can respect that but still disagree. It is important, though, to recognize and agree on the actual facts rather than on internet rumors and scare-mongering tactics. Otherwise there is no basis for a discussion, just a lot of meaningless yelling, which is what politics has sunk to.

          • Mister Vice

            Do you think those people are getting something that has suddenly become affordable because it miraculously has gotten cheaper? Or is it affordable because ACA robs Peter to pay Paul? Well Mr Rocket Scientist the people who have Obama’s hands in their pockets to bribe people into voting Democrat don’t like it so much. What is the true cost of this suddenly available miracle courtesy of Obama and the Democrats? Do you know? Yes, some people now have health care that didn’t have it before but how do you measure the damage done to others? Or do you know that? If you don’t know then stop preaching “get the facts”. And quit trying to mandate everything that you think is good for me. I don’t want it. I want my freedom first and foremost and when I allow the government to start making basic decisions for me then I have just lost my freedom. All because you (or someone else) thinks “it’s good for me”.

          • Mister Vice

            Of course, that is the reason and the WH is keeping mum about that for … uh, what reason would that be again?

          • I Seigel

            Nobody’s keeping mum about any of this. These are well-known facts. The Republican governor and legislature aren’t making a big deal about it, because they don’t want to be seen as supporting or taking advantage of a government program. But it’s a well know fact that they are.

          • Mister Vice

            Ah, but if we watched MSNBC and rehearsed your asinine dialogue, we’d understand that it doesn’t matter what the polls show. The majority of people DIDN’T want it, POTUS and the Democratic congress ignored the joblessness in this country to sequester themselves to work on that monstrosity, a document that your twit called Nancy Pelosi said “You have to pass the bill to know what it says”. And most Democrats couldn’t explain the damn thing because it was so bewildering and complex yet they wanted Americans to just go ahead and embrace it. In other words it got shoved down everyone’s throat and we still don’t know exactly the full impact of it yet. The polls haven’t gotten better either, even more people hate ACA than ever. But PLEASE don’t let me distract you from your little sales pitch here. You have had the Kool-Aid and you want everyone to take a sip so you don’t look foolish being the only one to believe in this contradiction in terms called Affordable Care Act. It was an act alright and now the curtains come down on America.

          • I Seigel

            Did you get this upset about the Patriot Act?

          • Mister Vice

            I am upset about everything. Why do you ask?

          • Mister Vice

            You are a liar. Millions have NOT enrolled. Millions have visited the web site and your dingleberry leader calls that a score! Out of the ones who enrolled a miserably small percentage have actually paid their premiums which is what I would call actual enrollment. it’s like buying a magazine subscription where you get 6 mos to read the issues and if you like it you buy a renewal. At what point is the reader a “subscriber”?

          • I Seigel

            Yeah, whatever. And the moon really is made of green cheese. Nasa proved it.

          • Mister Vice

            Oh God, no you didn’t…you got me…I’m a goner. I had no idea you were such a sharp witted and sharp tongued outlaw. I am humiliated to the point of extinction. I’m fading fast. Look out dinosaurs and the duck-billed platypus, here I come!

          • Mister Vice

            Chances are that you are one of those people that “expects” free stuff from the government and all those socialist programs cost YOU nothing personally. No wonder you are so anxious for them to get “working to govern the nation”. What difference does it make? Your lord and master Obama already said he doesn’t need congress for anything as long as he has a (free Obama) phone and a pen (doesn’t he also need a printer so he can print things to sign?) so that leaves Congress with nothing better ti do than to form committees (what congress usually does anyway) to investigate the allegations that continually come up in the course of “governing the nation”. I know it sounds inefficient and I dislike it too. I’d like to see everything in Washington go as advertised but in the real world NOTHING works like that. Hell, I can’t even get the newspaper thrown into MY lawn instead of the neighbor’s and I continuously get mail for people I have never heard of. Oh yeah, telemarketers keep calling me although I have been on the DO NOT CALL list for decades now!

          • BOC

            Why are you wasting space on this thread? By the way, these are not telemarketers calling you, they are bill collectors.

          • Mister Vice

            Yeah right! BOC I make 6 figures annually, drive a Lexus (I like it), take vacation whenever and wherever I choose and owe no one. I pay my bills via auto pay so I am not that concerned about money until tax time.

            You are the one wasting space BOC, you offer no independent thought or discussion to the dialogue. Oh, I bet you think you’re clever with these sophomoric cracks. Have you tried stand up comedy? (Hint: Take a colander with you to catch the tomatoes and you’ll live off the salads you can make.)

          • I Seigel

            How did my comment give you the impression that I “expect” free stuff?

            So you think Congress is left “with nothing better to do than to form committees…”? Well, first of all, that’s pathetic. Secondly, you don’t understand government, obviously. Congress is supposed to be the place where legislation originates. The House is where the budget gets done. Where’s the Obamacare alternate plan? Where’s the budget? Where are the solutions that the GOP promised during the campaigns when they took control of Congress? Where’s immigration and tax reform? To be the majority party – the party in CONTROL – is a responsibility, which the Republicans have miserably failed at.

          • Mister Vice

            But you didn’t deny that you seek free things from others, did you?

            Your statement about what I said concerning Congressional committees tells me that YOU are the one who understands little of our government. I agree that we all expected more from this latest iteration of Congress but you are asleep at the wheel if you didn’t see that ALL legislation passed was what Obama wanted. The democrats have the RINOs in their pocket and that makes up what is essentially a Democratic Congress. You failed to mention Obama’s threat to veto any and every bill the Republicans muster which goes against his imperial will. If you understand the government as well as you’ve implied then you already know that the government was created with a delicate system of checks and balances which Obama has pushed against from the start. He wanted the job but resents the work involved in working with the opposition.

            You failed to mention nary a one failing of the Democratic Congress that existed the first 4 years of Obama’s reign nor anything that Obama neglected to do. Why?

            I believe you are overly sensitive to Hillary and the socialist approach to governing this nation held by your precious Democratic party. I doubt you are older than 35 years because a little salt would have taught you that the socialist form of government has failed miserably any time it was attempted around the globe. Have you been to a socialist country to see how it works? I have. It isn’t very pretty. Have you friends in a socialist country that must deal with every day? I do. They tell me it’s pure hell. I have also seen communism at work and anarchy abroad. What do you know about any of it? I doubt very much unless it was taken from the net or maybe the library…but I doubt that you even have a library card.

          • I Seigel

            I deny that I seek free things from others. Ok now?

          • Mister Vice

            I don’t believe you. OK?

        • Mister Vice

          Hey look at it this way: The FBI IS finding a TERRORIST within our country! Rep Trey Gowdy should have waterboarded her to get the truth!

          • BOC

            How could a guy like Gowdy ask her anything? Remember Hillary was married to William Jefferson Clinton, aka Slick Willie.

          • Mister Vice

            I haven’t forgotten. She was BONNIE to his CLYDE. Except Clyde wasn’t a womanizing rapist.

        • BOC

          Yes, it was sad that the W. Bush people couldn’t play by the rules. And also failed at finding terrorist because POTUS 43 said it wasn’t important.

          • Mister Vice

            If terrorists weren’t found then who are all those scum bags we caught in Afghanistan and Iraq and sent to Gitmo?

        • Mister Vice

          Why find terrorists when the Demo-craps only set them free? See: Sanctuary Cities and Gitmo Prisoners

      • BOC

        Only the republicans who have chaired the Oversight Committee have wasted time and cost the taxpayers millions of dollars.

        • Mister Vice

          Uh, I believe Obama’s trips to the golf course and lavish vacations also fit that definition but the Republicans were ON THE JOB. Big O wasn’t.

      • Mister Vice

        Whatever it costs, it will be worth it. If we don’t hold criminals accountable (especially in our government) then we invite much worse down the road.

    • supergun

      It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

      • Mister Vice

        Interesting isn’t the right word to use here. More like frightful!

        • supergun

          Oh, it has passed the frightful stage. We are on the brink of disaster is we don’t change our direction.

    • robert sanders

      we will have a revolution on our hand.

    • Texas Belle

      Yes, but just what will happen? Will enough people complain so that Lynch will have to bring her to justice? Obama will order that she not be prosecuted and that will be the end of it.

      • Rx7pj

        She has to have broken a law. Tell us what law she broke.

        • BOC

          None! Unless you claim being a democrat is criminal.

          • Mister Vice

            I thought we already established that???

        • Mister Vice

          Are you a hermit living in a cave somewhere and don’t get ANY information? When the FBI recommends charges will you believe she has broken the law then? If not, please explain what it takes for you to embrace that notion. She is crooked, evil, selfish, ambitious, self-serving and a monumental liar. Her MO for every single allegation has always been to outright deny it. I refer you to her initial response about handling ANY classified information during her tenure. REALLY? How is that even possible? The Secretary of State has no interaction with classified information? She had a private server for all her e-mails (very suspect why THAT was necessary) and never needed to review a document that was classified? Never discussed any subject with anyone at all that was or should have been classified? Please don’t forget that her position requires her to be in the best position which information should be classified. She would also know the procedures for doing that unless she is a complete bumbling inept knucklehead. Time to remove head from anus and have a look-see around to get a reality check.

      • Mister Vice

        There would be too much blow back if the AG doesn’t prefer charges if the FBI recommends it. All of this will be very open and public so Obama (through his DOJ) will feel pressure to act on it. The only way out is to go through the motions, have DOJ get an indictment and then offer Clinton a lesser charge to get a guilty plea (necessary for a pardon) and then Lynch gets the “conviction” to satisfy the masses and opens the door for Obama to pardon her. She walks out clean and fresh without a legal blemish. Obama slips out the back door and goes to work on his books and library and other speeches paid for by the Clinton Foundation at $500K per clip.

    • Rx7pj

      She ha sc to have committed a crime to be indicted. Just what do you THINK she is guilty of

      • BOC

        Being a GOP threat.

        • Mister Vice

          Think bigger Tom Thumb, she’s a threat to the nation. I know you have this fantasy of seeing a woman president coming from your select group of troublemakers called Democrats but trust me when I say SHE IS BAD NEWS. Have you lowered your standards so low that you don’t care at all if the leader of this great nation has any integrity or a sense of accountability at all?

        • Mister Vice

          Please don’t overlook the small matter of breaking the law, interfering with an official investigation, making false or misleading statements, generally ceaseless lying and looking like a fat, ambitious, greedy pig! “I never, ever had any classified information or e-mails on my computer.” which was connected to private server in violation of federal guidelines (for official communications while in the employ of the US government) and the server was insecure during my tenure being stored in someone’s bathroom but I can assure you that no one would ever be able to hack into that bathroom although I didn’t wipe down the server with a towel or anything…and I probably should have because it was in that filthy, disgusting bathroom and now all my e-mails will stink like shit!

          • BOC

            There wasn’t and still isn’t, any smoking gun or mushroom cloud. You RW extremist will live and die on a lie that you laboriously try to make a truth.

            … Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: …. They first cast off the love of the truth, then God gives them up to Satan’s delusions, then they settle down into “believing the lie”: … For the appeal we make does not spring from error or impure motives, nor are we trying to trick you. 2 Thes. 2:11 (KJV)

            Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1:25 KJV:

          • Mister Vice

            Curious. Now you take to quoting the Bible when you worship the whore of Babylon? Bill is a rapist and she enabled him but claims to be an advocate for women?. She stole the furnishings out of the WH and had to return it. Used a private server which she knew was illegal then compromised our secrets on said insecure server, and (I can go on ad nauseum) yet you still stand by these people because of political affiliation?

            Do you lack any inner sense of suspicion or alarm? You trust those folks so much that you can not even “see” the basis for so much condemnation she gets?

            Anyway, I enjoyed your quotes from the Bible but I have to tell you that I read those verses differently than you. I feel no guilt nor do I have trouble sleeping at night. I don’t care so much about the party affiliation so much it comes to politicians.

            I trust no one implicitly and I watch closely for signs of trust, or mistrust, to decide whether I believe their words. My grandfather told me to believe nothing I read or hear and only half of what I see. Several decades later, I understand the wisdom of my grandfather’s words.

            i

          • BOC

            First and foremost as a minister, I worship the Lord Jesus Christ, who is my personal Savior.
            Secondly, and I repeat. William Jefferson Clinton is not running for POTUS where he served for two-terms which is the maximum one can serve under the law. As for your fabrication about stealing furniture:

            Former President Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, have sent $28,000 worth of household goods back to Washington after questions arose over whether the items were intended as ‘PERSONAL GIFTS or DONATIONS’ to the White House.

            “The property is being returned to government custody until such time that the issues can be resolved. It may well turn out that that property is ‘RIGHTFULLY’ the ‘PERSONAL PROPERTY’ of the Clintons.”

            Giving Back

            After they were criticized for taking $190,000 worth of china, flatware, rugs, televisions, sofas and other gifts with them when they left, the Clintons announced last week that they would pay for $86,000 ‘WORTH of GIFTS’, or nearly half the amount.

            Their latest decision to send back $28,000 in ‘GIFTS’ brings to $114,000 the value of items the Clintons have either decided to pay for or return.

            They were reviewing the ‘GIFTS’ the Clintons chose to keep after $28,000 worth of items were found on a ‘LIST of DONATIONS’ the Park Service received for the 1993 White House redecoration project. The Washington Post this week quoted three people who said that they ‘ASSUMED’ the furnishings they ‘DONATED’ for the project would stay in the White House. There was no theft or attempted theft, of furniture and/or related items.

            The condemnation she gets was manufactured not on facts, but fabrication. We can thank to fox news and the various conservative talking heads for these fallacies that they live and die on. Because you and your cohorts are short of reality, you rely on money to fill in your gaps which hasn’t worked the two general election cycles.

            The You seem to have this penchant to discredit or slander those who stand in opposition of what you believe and advocate for. This is not a respectable representation of a human being.

          • Frodo

            you do know it is a sin to lie.

          • BOC

            Just so you know.

          • Mister Vice

            Look BOC, I have no idea why you spend so much energy defending those two no-goods. It must take so much of your time to find reasons to make poor choice. Maybe as a minister you WANT to find nothing but good in people but there are other political figures with FAR LESS suspicious activities and allegations over their head and you seem to want to discredit THOSE people. I am a conservative and I have lost patience with the liberal, socialist Democrats who use JUST AS MANY underhanded chicanery as “Fox News” to discredit good people. You talk about “me and my cohorts” as if there is a conspiracy that is simply out to get liberals. Wrong bucko! You sound like the rest of the socialist rabble that want to “level the playing field” by stealing food off my plate to feed someone else! I don’t believe in that. I have no “penchant” for arguing with my opposition and I certainly haven’t done ANYTHING to discredit or slander Hillary Clinton. UNless you are are deaf, dumb and blind you should have gotten a clue that she and Bill are not law abiding people. I KNOW that what she has done regarding personal e-mail servers and using that for official work IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT is nothing but wrong and she KNOWINGLY did something illegal and may have divulged classified information to the enemy. Sid Blumenthal was her buddy only as much as she could “pick his brain” on middle east affairs. He was CIA and knows quite a bit I would imagine. His advise to her would make her appear much more competent thanshe really is. On his side, he was gaining access to information through Hillary that HE WASN’T CLEARED to have and POTUS had already made it clear to her that he didn’t want Blumenthal involved when she asked to have him on staff. BOC, as the minister you claim to be, how can you POSSIBLY hold up a person that flaunts the law and defies her boss in that way. You call it slander but I call it news. And how do you make excuses for the Clintons and act like they are respectable people when Bill RAPED women as Governor of AR and then when President!? Hillary was aware of these abused women and tried to silence them with threats or bribes, yet she still has the gall to claim she is an ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN??? You are as sick as she is. You tell me you are a minister as if that is supposed to mean something. It is a job title and nothing more. Oh, I am a Christian and I believe in the Bible as the word of God so don’t say I am an atheist but you must understand that saying you are a minister or a priest just doesn’t impress so many folks today. Too many ministers have bilked people of millions of dollars, kept money that was given to do God’s work, they were caught with hookers and doing drugs, pedophile priests have been caught abusing children and then Bishops simply moved them to another parish to hide their sinful crimes and subject yet another congregation to that ugliness. No sir I am NOT impressed with your title one bit. Were I to know you and observe you, you MIGHT gain my respect but I don’t arbitrarily give it away. I am cynical and for good cause. I HATE criminal behavior, especially when the unjust abuse the trust and faith of good people like the politicians in Washington. I do not care for MANY Republicans for the betrayals they made to the constituents that elected them. They promised to make changes in Washington that never came. THe playing field is definitely not level BOC. Obama and the Democratic congress he started his presidency with went to work on ACA at the wrong time. The economy was in the tank and joblessness was rising and the ACA was intended to be Obama’s crowning achievement…and everyone knew it. In fact, the ACA HURT the economy by forcing employers to reduce working hours of employees, making them part timers. So more people look for additional jobs working two or three part time jobs to compensate for the lost wages. Yeah, big deal, ACA gave me “affordable” health care insurance” but I have to work everyday, all day to even pay the bills and buy food. I don’t know about you but I prefer to having three squares a day to having “urgent care” coverage. My daughter lost her insurance (Obama says “you can keep what you have if you like it”) only to get a bare bones health care that basically covers the trips to ER. I don’t know where you get your information to brag that MILLIONS have signed up on ACA and are getting help? I haven’t found that data yet, where did you get it? And don’t tell me that simply signing up counts. We have already discovered that about 750 million signed up and got benefits that they weren’t qualified to receive. In other words, illegal immigrants got coverage,used the program and paid zero premiums! THIS IS HOW EFFICIENT OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS! Garbage! They waste my money giving stuff away to people that shouldn’t be here. Why do the socialists think the citizens of this country have NO RIGHTS but the non-citizens can have ALL RIGHTS! I pay taxes and I expect that money to go for the common good of this sovereign nation. I expect the borders to be sealed and the citizenry kept safe! But Obama has his guys setting free the felons that the Border Patrol catches on a daily basis. Those criminals go to the sanctuary cities and hide under the rocks committing whatever crimes they can and enjoyng basic immunity from the ruoes of a civilized world. Why the hell do you defend that philosophy? What happened to Kate Steinle could have happened to anyone’s daughter, sister, mother, or another loved one. I do not understand WHY this isn’t addressed in a rational manner. The first responsibility of the POTUS and his administration is to PROTECT the citizens of this nation! How can he possibly take the side of an illegal “immigrant” with a criminal history of felonies and not see the need to protect the lives of the innocent? I can not argue with you over every single issue as much as I would like but I need to move on. I don’t know if you, as a believer i God, can see my indignation when the laws do not protect the righteous and when the Democrats simply shove their agenda down the throats of people who are HURTING and need help but somehow you think this nation can afford to finance every stinking social program possible not matter who it hurts in the process. I don’t understand the rationale and neither do many other people. I am not a Republican, I am a conservative. I am mad with what this government has been doing and that is why you run into so many people that are angry. You call them haters but you are mistaken. We are ANGRY and we seek justice, fairness and a voice in Washington. We feel left out. We feel unheard. We feel cheated. Calling us haters only fuels more anger BOC. It would behoove you and the folks that think like you to try to understand where conservatives are coming from instead sniping at us, ridiculing us and calling names. Many of the conservative folks were Democrats that voted for Obama and they are disillusioned. Many of us that DIDN’T vote for Obama feel neglected. Obama may have been voted by one party but he supposed to represent ALL AMERICANS as fairly as he can. He has never done that. He has constantly grioed and groused about conservatives and the republican party, blaming us or GW Bush for everything that has happened the past 7 years. Unless something went right, then he takes full credit even when he had nothing to do with it. I don’t respect him and I hate that Clinton. I haven’t been told how Fast and Furious occurred on his watch and I don’t fully know what happened in Benghazi but I DO KNOW from my military experience that SOMETHING is right with the stories that have come out. A call for help should have been answered. Hillary lied when she said “no one was close enough to get there in time”. That is bull hockey! I know there are several units within the theatre that could have responded. Even if it was a pair of F-16s from Italy, they could have strafed that area around the consulate and bought time for those Seals fighting for their lives. Even if it were true you ALWAYS dispatch the help and if they can’t get there in time, at least we tried our best but that didn’t happen here. There have been more Navy Seals killed under Obama’s watch than all total since Viet Nam even when we were at war on terror! I’ve had enough of this corruption. You can believe all this fiction if that is what you want to do but don’t you try pissing on my boots and try to tell me it’s only raining!

          • BOC

            You have a problem building a foundation. You ramble on like a ‘dog chasing it’s tail’. You would be more effective if you start by building a foundation based on the truth. You would then start to discover that people on these threads will start paying attention and respect what you have to say. The only reason why I’ve wasted my time with you is because I thought you were salvageable and level headed on opposing views. I WAS WRONG.

          • BOC

            “… “level the playing field” by stealing food off my plate to feed someone else!?”
            Look! I keep telling you this is not 1964. Barry Goldwater is not running, neither is Ronald Reagan. They are both ‘DEAD’ and their convoluted philosophy and political beliefs died with them. Welcome to the 21st Century.

            ‘………Unless something went right?’

            What went right, certainly not his Vice Presidential choice. He can’t stand Dick ‘Halliburton/KBR’ Cheney. That don’t talk and ‘W’ will never take a phone call from him. Heck, Jackson-Hole ruined what little credibility he had left.

            “I haven’t been told how Fast and Furious occurred on his watch and I don’t fully know what happened in Benghazi but I DO KNOW from my military experience that SOMETHING is right with the stories that have come out?”

            NO! NO! Mister Vice, this reads like and tells me you’re confused about these two episodes.

            First, let us agree to get one thing straight. The Justice Department’s Fast and Furious gun-walking program “started in the Bush administration.”

            As for Benghazi, here’s a snippet:

            A former investigator on Benghazi has also spoken out against the senate-select committee’s approach. Bradley F. Podliska, a major in the Air Force Reserve, claims he was fired unlawfully after he pushed for the committee to focus on a thorough investigation of the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attacks, rather than zeroing in on just Clinton. What do you think pushed him to focus and suggest political leaders to go in this direction and take this approach, Mr. Vice? I’m curious to know.

            Well, here’s what we do know. Podliska, who described himself as a Republican planning to vote for the GOP nominee for president, said the House committee was engaged in a partisan investigation of the Benghazi attack.1

            Podliska said the committee turned all of its attention to Clinton and the State Department after it was revealed that she used a private email server as secretary of state. The move de-emphasized other agencies involved with the attacks and their aftermath, according to a draft of his complaint.2

            Podliska was fired after 10 months on the committee. He disputed what he said were the reasons given for his termination: So yes, you could easily say he was a disgruntled employee. But does this mean you should take what he says with a ‘grain-of-salt?’

            1,2, http://www.thestate.com/news/politics government/article38709705.html#storylink=cpy

            “Hillary lied when she said “no one was close enough to get there in time?” Convince me.
            Because, I was very careful in my observations when this part of the scenario was raised. And while you’re pondering this. Please keep in mind the republican/tea party was performing their agency budget cut brigade, which ran rampant throughout capitol hill before and after these tragic events. The house republicans refused, repeatedly, to approve additional/needed funding for agencies that were struggling to operate efficiently and effectively. You had the administration screaming for more funds for embassy operations, especially for security purposes, which fell on deaf ears. It reminds me of the Flint Water Crises, ‘bleed them dry’. Oops, backfire!

            ” I know there are several units within the theatre that could have responded?”

            Not in a timely fashion. If what you say were true, and we both know it isn’t, the senate-select committee would have pounced all over it. As desperate as they (R) were (are) for any kind of win to justify their existence and waste of taxpayers money, in the $ multi-millions. Darrell Issa (R-Vista,CA.) just squandered these funds, to no end.

            “…….Even if it was a pair of F-16s from Italy, they could have strafed that area around the consulate ?”

            Yep, you were a grunt. This tells me you know every little about military science and strategy and tactic maneuvers. The embassy situation bordered more on a close range combat action, not a drop everything on my pod Vietnam action. This is the same thinking conservatives have regarding what to do in Syria, “Strafe-Em”. If civilians get killed in the process, we just ‘chalk-it-up’ as collateral damage. Boy! Dick Cheney just loved this phrase.

            “Even if it were true you ALWAYS dispatch the help and if they can’t get there in time,…?”

            Oh! so you know it’s true. But they should have went through the motions. I don’t remember any military tactics being taught like you just suggested here. Maybe I’ll ask a friend of mine who went through the same school as myself. He’s a retired Army General now, let’s see what he says.

            Here’s what denying financial resources to agencies create:
            America’s in-demand global force against terrorists is showing signs of stress and appears to be gliding toward a decline in readiness, says a Pentagon budget overview on special operations forces.
            With the end of U.S. military operations in the Iraq War, the thought was that fewer deployments would give some relief to special operations forces after a dozen years of overseas fighting.
            Rowan Scarborough – The Washington Times – Tuesday, March 11, 2014

            I think the Obama administration can make a case that it has not been sitting on their hands when it comes to fighting terrorism. W. Bush definitely sat on his and ignored the real enemy, especially when it came to 9/11. The president went after Hussein and said the man that was responsible for the New York disaster, bin-Laden was an immediate concern of his. Go Figure!

            By the way, the saying goes something like this, “….pissing on my leg and telling me it’s raining outside’.

            Have a good day!

          • Mister Vice

            You wouldn’t know a mushroom cloud (where did you get THAT idiom?) or smoking gun if one fell on your empty noggin’.

          • BOC

            Republican speak (lie). Google: Conde

          • BOC

            That’s Condoleezza “Condi” Rice.

          • BOC

            It’s no idiom, check those within your party who said it. Hey, why ask me, Google it.

          • BOC

            “……..looking like a fat, ambitious, greedy pig?”

            This type of rhetoric hurts your credibility. How can we take you seriously when you tantrum like this?

          • Mister Vice

            Oh, did I hurt your sensibilities? I’m sorry. If I talk nice about your uncaring and self-serving leader will you grant me some of your precious creedence?

          • BOC

            My sensibilities and/or emotions, as you point out are solidly intact and have always been. I’m sure my threads represent this claim, check my archives. Yours, on the other hand…………

          • Mister Vice

            Good for you. Your moronic comments do not cause me any fear and I know that you are really simply jealous…

          • BOC

            Of what! You can’t establish any arguments or positions.

          • BOC

            Jealous of what? Because where I’m positioned, I really do not see any downside. Speaking of down, I believe you are ‘under my feet’.

      • dstudie

        How about treason? Murder?

    • BOC

      You have a crises, trying to come-to-terms with reality. The FBI is not focusing on her. If there was a case it would have been brought years ago.

      • Mister Vice

        Simple-minded twit. That swishing sound you hear is the wind tunnel effect caused by the vacuum between your ears!

  • Txmissy

    If the hildabeast is elected, this country will finish its “transformation” into a Communist nation. Don’t be fooled by her lies. She’s not a “progressive”. She’s a totalitarian and would be Hussein O on steroids.

    • Mister Vice

      I think she only wants the title and the power. I don’t think she really feels compelled to actually do anything with that position. She has hinted as such claiming she intends to “carry on all the great work started by Pres Obama”. Clinton-speak for I will put the Oral Office on autopilot and spend time hobnobbing with heads of state or rubbing elbows with royal families around the globe. What a waste of oxygen!

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