Illegal Immigrants Could Elect Hillary

by
October 4, 2015

Illegal immigrants—along with other noncitizens without the right to vote—may pick the 2016 presidential winner. Thanks to the unique math undergirding the Electoral College, the mere presence of 11-12 million illegal immigrants and other noncitizens here legally may enable them to swing the election from Republicans to Democrats.

The right to vote is intended to be a singular privilege of citizenship. But the 1787 Constitutional Convention rejected allowing the people to directly elect their President. The delegates chose instead our Electoral College system, under which 538 electoral votes distributed amongst the states determine the presidential victor. The Electoral College awards one elector for each U.S. Senator, thus 100 of the total, and D.C. gets three electors pursuant to the 23rd Amendment. Those electoral numbers are unaffected by the size of the noncitizen population. The same cannot be said for the remaining 435, more than 80 percent of the total, which represent the members elected to the House.

The distribution of these 435 seats is not static: they are reapportioned every ten years to reflect the population changes found in the census. That reallocation math is based on the relative “whole number of persons in each state,” as the formulation in the 14th Amendment has it. When this language was inserted into the U.S. Constitution, the concept of an “illegal immigrant,” as the term is defined today, had no meaning. Thus the census counts illegal immigrants and other noncitizens equally with citizens. Since the census is used to determine the number of House seats apportioned to each state, those states with large populations of illegal immigrants and other noncitizens gain extra seats in the House at the expense of states with fewer such “whole number of persons.”

  • Lee

    Hillary needs to be in jail. If we have any kind of justice system doing what it’s supposed to that’s where she will end up.

  • CharlieSeattle

    The correct term is……………….illegal aliens NOT illegal immigrants!!

  • Gwen Blizard

    I have a feeling that if Hillary gets into office there woo be civil war in these United States.

  • Tammy Dorsey Berthaut

    Its why they want to keep and add more illegals. Its funny its illegal to drink and drive or beat your kids. You do those things as well as 100’s of other things you go to jail. why is it ok for these people to cross the border ILLEGALLY and be here ILLEGALLY? By allowing this it says only laws for certain people and certain crimes count. Go run a red light and see what it costs you? The punishment for running a red light is far less then coming into the USA illegally and stealing OUR tax money. This is why all our roads and bridges are falling apart. All the money goes to paying for illegals. And when they do work they send OUR money back to Mexico.

    • Mark Lahti

      The running the red light analogy is a pretty bad example. I drive a lot and am sick to death of all kinds of people running red lights all over the place. It’s not that big a deal in light of this discourse. Just pointing out that it is a bad example as it happens all the time with no consequences.

      • Tammy Dorsey Berthaut

        yeah I guess, I blame the lack of sleep and my brain not wanting to work..lol but the points still there!
        You get a ticket for running a red light and will be given a fine which can cost you a couple hundred bucks. Yet a known illegal gets set free with nothing but a pat on the back.

        We have laws and EVERY one should be made to follow them no matter the law. They can not pick and choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore.

  • Then we will Lock & Load and end this insanity! We need to run these illegal criminals and muslim pigs out of our nation! Islam needs to be banned from our borders all together, it is nothing but the Syphilis of the Soul, straight from the bowels of Hell! All Illegals are Criminals for being here illegally, amazes me that is not plain enough for the Leftist Progressive Retards!

    • Sharon Theves Vierling

      I have my CCW and I WILL use it,DON’T FUCK with MY civil rights

  • 1inamil

    God help us; if this happens our country is destroyed!

  • In California, illegal aliens are encouraged to vote, and to vote frequent and often. After I was laid off, I spent several years substitute teaching. In a Hispanic class I asked how many driver’s licenses their fathers had. The highest number was 17. California encourages voter registration with each license. With many given names, there are many possible variations of three names. Each license must have had a different name, and probably a different address. I heard that many houses were bought in different precincts with the help of government funds to provide the different addresses. The students did not know how many times their fathers voted in the last election.

  • dmttbt

    Don’t any of you see the 20 trillion dollar deficit? Don’t you see our government printing money out of thin air? That is why our money is not worth what it should be.

  • FAITH47

    IF HILLARY WIN IT MEAN SHE CHEATED. WHAT KIND OF ELECTION IS THIS IF THEY HAVE TO CHEAT? ILLEGALS ARE NOT A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY. THAT’S WHY WE CALLED THEM I-L-L-E-G-A-L A-L-I-E-N-S.

  • brtw

    Then the census must be changed to include a question regarding citizenship and proof if it. This is not a democratic vote of citizens. It’s a trick of the dems. that Obama has depended on since he opened our boarders and distributed “refugees” all over the country w/o keeping track of them. Typical liberal behavior.

    • Mark Lahti

      Just a minor correction. It is not the liberals that advocate or promote this activity. They turn their back on it, but they are not the culprits. It is the socialist/communist far left of the democrat party that is doing this. Their philosophy is that winning is the primary and only goal at any cost. They will give up all our freedoms and rights if it means they can control the country. That is what it is about, control at all costs whatever the means.

  • Bowserb

    When the supreme court (no longer worthy of capital letters) declared it unconstitutional to require I.D. to vote, that’s when we knew the republic is doomed. Using publicdata.com, my friend looked up voting records for herself (you can’t see how someone voted, but you can see that they voted or not). She looked up a specific election where she had not voted. Yet there it was–she voted…or someone voted in her name.

    The election judges may be our worst enemies (next to Obama and Islam). A small precinct with 2 or 3 there alone after the polls close. Just go through the list and see who didn’t vote, then then vote in their name for your candidate or for/against that bond issue. Not saying it’s widespread, but there was no question in this case. She did not vote, but the record says she did.

    • Mark Lahti

      The states are the ones that have control over the election process locally. We here in Wisconsin ha voter ID. As for the voter fraud. I know for a fact that it has gone on everywhere and in many different ways. The process of conducting an election has been corrupted from top to bottom by the socialists in the democrat party.

  • squeak

    We hope she is in prison wearing an orange pant suit by then… have the Police , National Guard in place at every polling place ! Time to stand up & fight the Communists running & ruining our Country, it has been too long !

    • brtw

      Except in WA state the libs have it set up that we all vote by mail. So families whose older members have died take their ballots and vote for them, and even prisoners are sent ballots and they vote. Supposedly these illegal votes are culled out, BUT the libs. “mixed up” the legal votes w/ the illegal votes and counted them all! When we have corruption in our election officials there is no fairness or legality. I also think the “electoral college” should have to vote a percentage of the total vote based on the actual vote instead of whichever party has the majority of votes, get all the electoral votes for that state. That means if I vote w/ the minority, not only does my vote not count but it’s counted the opposite of the way I voted!

      • Mark Lahti

        That is the reason that the electorial college process that is over 200 years old needs to be changed. The real vote that is the count of all people legally voting should be the count that elects our representatives. This college system is so perverted it is illegal on it’s face and should be done away with.

        • brtw

          so how is that done? By vote of Congress?? Could Obummer veto it?

    • Sharon Theves Vierling

      And BIG BERTHA loves her

  • Joseph Le Bard

    If hitlery gets in the house there’s sure to be civil unrest more so then Egyptian people throwing out the muslim brotherhood. Sign the petition 2 congress to outlaw islam N.Carolina has it on there ballad in 2016 elections http://www.petition2congress.com they will reply to your Representatives in your state.

  • Colleen Gill Rotter

    VOTER ID !! We cannot let this slip by !!!

  • I Seigel

    So according to this news story, illegal immigrants and other noncitizens are counted when apportioning the 435 seats in the House of Representatives. Therefore, the Republicans and Tea Party owe their current majority in the House to illegals and noncitizens. Why haven’t I heard a “thank you” from you folks?

  • wmagg

    And thus the reason the current criminal administration refuses to allow voter ID or the clearing of voter rolls. The current government IS the problem and needs to be removed in it’s entirety. Any illegal caught voting should face immediate arrest and prison, no trial, no lawyer, No rights of any kind,

    Just FIVE years hard labor building the fence.

  • Jim

    obama has paved the road for this, don’t forget that, he want citezenship for all these so they can vote for hillary cause she wants to run this country like he wants her to and these people will now be able to vote and none of them have been taught by our school system about our form of government and how it works, So they will vote by what someone tells them to do, click the first X and leave the rest alone that is all that matters. So, they are now educated

    • Sharon Theves Vierling

      So when they enter this country,they go through a booth and and mark an X to vote Democrap for eternity,in exchange for sanctuary

      • Jim

        You are probably more right than you think, sometimes I wonder how this is done so easy

  • Charlie Jordan

    US Army you are right; US Airforce

  • Ron Coon

    The only purpose for the counting of Illegal Aliens is for the attainment of the proper amount of seats required to toll them back to from which they came.

  • Dave In Arizona

    Since when do these illegals and other non-citizen have the legal right to vote?

  • Illegal aliens and non citizens will not be able to vote in my state. You must show a state issued drivers license or state issued ID which both you have to show a birth certificate and not a copy to get one at the polls.

    • Denise ogrady

      It should be that way in all 50 states! But then again when has Oblowhole ever cared about the constitution?

      • Mark Lahti

        Nevvvvveeerrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!

    • Mark Lahti

      Charley do you live in WI? We now have voter ID as required by recently enacted legislation. If the rest of the country were to do the same, then that would greatly reduce the chance of fraud. Unfortunately people are also allowed to same day register still. If you read my comment above, it explains the problem with that. I don’t know how that will be affected by the voter ID requirement. I hope it makes that fraud plan null and void. But we will see.

  • used_to_be_a_liberal

    Illegals, non citizens, should absolutely not have the right to vote in any election in this country, and they should have absolutely no say, no voice, no in-put into the determination, direction, or policies of this country.
    As silly as this sounds, if this is not stopped, then what is next? People in other countries voting in U S elections?

    • GetTheFactsFirst

      I am also foreign born, but I am a legal permanent resident, hoping to become a citizen when the time required by law has passed. I can not vote. Only citizens can vote. The problem described in the article is that ILLEGAL aliens are included in the census totals for each state and that total per state is used to distribute the 435 votes representing house members. A state with ILLEGAL aliens included in its census total could (did?) get extra votes that were taken away from states with a smaller portion of the total population.

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        As a legal permanent resident, welcome. You pointed out a few things, and good for you, it is good that you are paying attention, you are probably more self-educated about your soon to be new country, then most Americans.

  • Geezer Ted

    Every change for what should be the better has come at a cost of lost lives, lots of blood. We stood up on our hind legs and demanded a change. The illegals dropped on all fours, tucked their tail between the legs and scurried across our border. Why should cowards from garbage countries be allowed to determine the course of our country? Why should our lives and blood be spent on cowards. On the subject it is time for us to stop playing rent a cop to the world. Let other countries spill their own blood.

  • bobnstuff

    If it’s in the constitution it’s the law. You can’t discount any part of what our founding fathers wrote. I have heard this here over and over again. If the Republicans want to win then they must win states with immigrants in them like Texas and California. The math also goes the other way, states with very low populations get more Electoral College vote per person the states with large populations. This is what our founding fathers created so it must not be changed.

    • Pam

      “The math also goes the other way, states with very low populations get more Electoral College vote per person the states with large populations”.
      Sorry, maybe I haven’t had enough coffee yet. Or is this Common Core math? From the article:
      “That reallocation math is based on the relative “whole number of persons in each state,” as the formulation in the 14th Amendment has it.”
      We could (somewhat) relieve the imbalance if people in each state could organize a ballot issue wherein the states electoral votes would be apportioned at the exact ratio of the popular vote. Eliminating the “Winner take all” method would go some ways toward leveling the playing field. (You should like that, Bob. It would have meant an algore presidency in 2000)
      In many instances, our founding fathers codified universal truths that do not change with time. However, they were, in large part, moral and honorable men. They did not foresee (with notable exceptions) the huge moral decay of society and especially a “political class” that would be willing to do anything and everything to stay in and increase their power.
      It is more than past time to organize an Article V Convention of the States.

      • wmagg

        Well stated, However The founding fathers did foresee ” a “political class” that would be willing to do anything and everything to stay in and increase their power.” that is why they gave us the second amendment and the preamble to the constitution. They warned U.S. about what we would face in the future if we were NOT ever vigilant of the corruption of power.

        • Pam

          “Doh!” (insert picture of Homer Simpson).
          You are EXACTLY CORRECT. I’m still pleading caffeine deficiency 😉
          Hadn’t had my second cup yet.
          Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

    • Denise ogrady

      Tell Oblowhole that.

      • bobnstuff

        I don’t have to tell the President of the United States anything about EO’s He has the power given to him by the constitution. There have only been two EO’s overturned in history. As for the votes in the Electoral College, Every state gets two plus the number of house seats so if you only have enough people to get one house seat you still get three votes. If you have twice as many people and get two house seats you get four votes so 200% as many people but only one more votes.

  • Rose Boltz

    If they are here on our soil. illegally, how can they vote? They have no rights. This is our country and I view them as aliens.

    • bobnstuff

      They can’t vote unless the use their fake papers. In person voter fraud is a myth made up to disenfranchise voters. The republicans have admitted it. Legal aliens have most of the same rights as citizens do but voting is one they don’t have.

      • wmagg

        Texas, Colorado California, Washington, New York, Nevada,
        The list of states reporting confirmed voter fraud from illegals is rampant. No section of any government has EVER said that illegal aliens are not casting criminal votes. Only the DEMS have claimed that these votes are of no real significance. Which we all know was and is total B.S.

        • bobnstuff

          Nice statement now give me a link to some hard facts to back up your claim because I can’t find them. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/06/1319633/-Researcher-finds-only-31-incidences-of-voter-ID-preventable-fraud-in-last-fourteen-years

          • wmagg

            Colorado vote counts In DENVER CO 4 districts reported more than 104 % of registered voters cast ballots, Nevada, reported more than 110 % of registered voters cast votes, California reported more than 115 % of registered voters cast votes, nearly every state with illegal sanctuary cities reported excessive votes in one or more precincts.
            What bother me most is that like many of the others out there who demand proof and data, you provide none of your own and are clearly incapable of getting the fact for your self. Perhaps you should team up with RealityCheck and the two of you could prove your ignorance together.
            Every State has vote data and this data is public
            Get off your lazy A$$ and go get it yourself just like I and every other intelligent person has done.

          • bobnstuff

            Your numbers a bogus. You are dealing with made up numbers. I checked ever one of these reports after the 2012 and 2014 election and not one held water. The worst part is they aren’t even good lies. You will not find any solid facts and will call me names. By the way the head of election in southern Ohio was really upset about the lies being told in his state.

          • wmagg

            Well the only problem with what you said is that you are a very poor lair . the fact is that every number i presented can be confirmed by anyone who makes even a half witted attempt, and has been confirmed by thousands of others. You claim to want sites and info but when it comes right down to it you deny the truth even when it is rammed up the space you keep putting you head. If you can NOT post the truth please do NOT post at all. We are all tired of your half witted lies and failure to use spell check or proof read you delusional self serving drivel.

          • bobnstuff

            If you want real numbers here they are
            .http://www.electproject.org/home
            Every number you could want. Not one state came close to 100% let alone over. Not one of your numbers are real. You can clam that they are but Facts don’t back you up. I worked my voting place and 87% was the best we ever got and that was with the republicans running buses all day to bring in voters.

          • wmagg

            I have looked at these numbers and tried to find their source , only to find that they were so heavily doctored that even their people had to admit to the facts that they were bogus. But thank you for proving my point ” I worked my voting place and 87% was the best we ever got and that was
            with the republicans running buses all day to bring in voters.” many places posted over 100% as reported both in the news and by the complaints filed by the federal election commission. Busing in voters is also illegal but was done in Nevada and many other places and shown on nightly news many times. So much for your argument, but thanks for using spell-check

            PS http://www.electproject.org/home
            is a Democratic org that promotes allowing illegals to have the right to vote. Perhaps you should choose a more reputable source to quote from.

          • bobnstuff
          • wmagg

            try again fool I live in Colorado and know the facts about that state better than then I know the others
            But just to shut you once and for all here is perhaps the best source for voter fraud info I have found .
            http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216

          • bobnstuff

            Ok, I hope you read this one, It makes no case for voter Id but one very good case for regulating who can collect voter registration and for a national registry of voters as well as the registry of deaths sending a list down stairs to the election board, all these things are good ideas. Non of these problems are in person voter fraud. As far as the motor voter in Calf. my guess is the person taking the photo asked everyone to register with out even thinking about it. You numbers of voter turn out are still bogus but Thank’s for the link, They did missed a few by the way and some had fact change later on and in most cases there is more to the story but all in all it’s a good site. .

          • wmagg

            and the site is

          • bobnstuff

            your link, Discoverthenetworks.

          • Sharon Theves Vierling

            Notice ALOT of ACORN in states.certainly interesting NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CROOKS

          • wmagg
          • bobnstuff

            Townhall and Inquisitr are both untrustworthy I have read Townhall a few times and Even when he gets it right it’s wrong. Inguistr is new to me but as soon as I O’Keef’s name as a main source came up I lost faith. O’Keef makes Republican Porn. More fiction then fact. The National Review is an other story, very right leaning but not as much a bunch of liers as most. They are big enough that they can do a story and the back ground. I found it interesting to see their take. I discount anything they said about O’Keef but will think about the rest. I still say that the case is being made for better record keeping and communication. We need a national data base for voters. The more I read the more I’m convinced. You still haven’t come up with the numbers you claim of over 100% turn out but once again thanks for the links.

          • dmttbt

            If you caught the action on the protests and store robberies and burnings, the majority of the protestors were bussed in from other places. You may also recall that when the new black panthers were at the voting places with clubs in hand to convince people to vote a certain way, they were released when the trial came up because they were black. Really have you ever?

          • dmttbt

            You are a plant to aggravate honest people.

          • dmttbt

            I remember you, you are the one who says stupid things like fact check it and see who is telling the truth. I did not have sexual relations with that woman and that depends on what is is. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. Do you recall these statements? They were repeated many times. What does your fact checker tell you on these?

          • wmagg

            good point I looked back thru many posts and found similar BS posted by this uneducated moron “bobnstuff” He does not seem to be able to tell the truth and has no respect for the facts. Just another leftest moron

          • Mark Lahti

            Reading the discourse between you two guys and that liberal troll “bobnstuff” has been quite fun and interesting. For the 2008 and the 2012 elections and few more in between, I was an observer. For the two presidential elections I observed large 12 passenger vans coming into the polling place I was assigned to observe. For those of you who don’t know, poll observers are not election officials. Our job is to watch what happens at the polling place and to report any irregularities that we see happening. During both elections when I observed those vans coming in, I was watching who they were bringing into the polling place. In every instance they were all black. In every instance they went directly to the same day registration table to register to vote. In every case all they had to prove residency was a sheet of paper. I was able to see some of those from time to time and they were all utility bills. In WI that is all that is required to prove residency. In now way, shape, or manner were any of them required to prove any type of citizenship. Residency was the main concern here as many people were coming here from out of state to vote. More often than not to vote multiple times. All the vans had Illinois plates on them. I was asked by the election official at my site, who was a lawyer there to insure the system rules were all being practiced, to follow the vans to see where they went next. I followed a number of those vans during the course of the remainder of the day. Every one went from our polling place to another polling place where they people did the same thing again. That being going to the same day registration table, registering and then voting…..again. My point here is that I personally witnessed voter fraud going on in both presidential elections. I have to reason to make this up or lie about it. My reports were submitted in writing and then nothing happened as a result of that reporting. We have a predominately democrat government here and they also make up a majority of the election board. So “bobnstuff” can go stick this no fraud bs in a place where the sun don’t shine. I know it goes on and they are getting away with it. It has destroyed my faith in the election process in my state and my country.

          • Sharon Theves Vierling

            OH ,I so believe this,not shocked at all,soooo much corruption in this Country and NOBODY seems to want to fix it and WHEN a demtard gets in not IF,unless a true miracle happens,We, the United States ,are going to falter just as Obastard as been planted to destroy our wonderful Country and the republicans let him.SHAME on them,we the people elected them to help us save OUR Country and they FUCKED us over.

        • John Last

          Loved Colorado.
          Glad I’m not there now,
          I heard the place got “californicated”!!!

    • Ace Dragon

      IN CALIFORNIA, JERRY BROWN ASS GAVE THEM DRIVERS LICINSES. SO THEY CAN REGISTER TO VOTE. I THINK WE NEED VOTER ID. MAKE IT SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AMERICAN BORN BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOU SHOW THAT AND GET A VOTER ID CARD. THIS WILL WEED OUT ALL ILLEGALS FROM VOTEING.

      • dmttbt

        WE can’t do anything, we depend on our politicians to do it, that is why I say we can’t do anything.

        • Mark Lahti

          You are exactly right. We tried the ballot box twice. In 2010 and again in 2014 we ousted the democrats and some of the rinos to give us the majority across both houses of congress. What did we get for that? Absolutely nothing!!!! They all rolled over and played dead to the HTNIC or Obama for all you folks in Rio Linda. Our hands have not just been tied they have been chopped off. We are at the mercy of a tyrannical government. We do have recourse under the constitution. However that would require that we the people step up and take control back from this tyranny. I, for one, am ready to stand with any and all those willing to take that action. Are we ready America?

      • James H. Humphrey

        That would be the thing to do but, it ain’t gonna happen! It takes a majority to make that happen and right now we have to many RINOs plus the Demcats. They will not pass anything that will affect their wallet (read re-election, etc). I totally agree, birth certrticate that can & will be verified before you get a driver’s license, or any kind of picture ID. If you are not a citizen and can prove it, you don’t get $hit! If you have to have an I.D. to get everything else, what is the problem with getting I.D. to vote, oops forgot, Democrats don’t want voter I.D., they like for unregistered and dead voters and the ability to vote more than one, to keep them elected, this country has gone to hell.

    • brtw

      that’s why conservatives call them “undocumented demos.”
      That what Obummer wants and has been working on for 7 years.

    • John Last

      Hello Rose .
      Greedy , corrupt polititions empower them to vote.
      This isn’t Our Country- it belongs to the pols (polititions).
      WE belong to the pols !

  • US Army Retired

    First off their illegal aliens not immigrants and they have no right to shape our politics. Armed guards at every poling place. Every state has National Guard use em. The time has come to stop this non-sense.

    • John Last

      You’ve just been promoted “Top” !!!

    • Jack

      Thank You for your service,and I hope every state governor reads and follows your advise/suggestion.

  • VirgoVince

    WHY should illegal aliens have any control of OUR RIGHTS, they have NO rights here and if OUR immigration laws had been followed, we wouldn’t even be having this problem, nor this conversation! EVICT ALL 3rd world garbage!!

    • Jack

      Hopefully,your eviction includes,the totals of current judicial/legislative/executive and scotus,and of course ALL their cohorts/minions/etc./etc..AND include ALL who believe/hope the article is a possibility.

  • TexRancher

    The socialists (corrupted former democrats) appear to be determined to bring civil war to this country again…….

    • wmagg

      then lets give them what they want. Then we will all see just how they will follow their own gun control agenda.

      • dmttbt

        You seem to forget we do what they say and they do what they choose.

      • John Last

        Laws don’t apply to the elites, even IF they did (laws), elites would just write another that would negate their crimes.

    • Bowserb

      Ayn Rand, ahead of her time, from “The Nature of Government” 1963:
      “We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.”

      • ken51136

        In other Words, as we already know; we are under a Dictatorship with Obama and the Socialist Democrats in Washington. Hillary would love to step in and continue Obama’s legacy / plan.

      • John Last

        George Orwell, too !!!

    • I Seigel

      The socialists won’t get too far with that plan. Because it’s the fascists (corrupted former Republicans) who have all the guns!

      • Mark Lahti

        If that is all it took was having all the “guns” then you are right we would have everything all under control. Unfortunately it has not come to that yet. But when it does, then you will be right and we will take this country back from all you socialists.

        • I Seigel

          That’s good. I’m so much more at ease now that I know the country will be in good hands.

      • John Last

        I’m happy to be American.
        The “other” labels do Not apply, to me.
        Both Parties are corrupt, and the “independents” numbers are growing.

        • Sharon Theves Vierling

          TRUMP 2016

    • John Last

      Damned right !
      They forget, they lost one already !!!!
      lol

  • Arthur L. Trevallee

    I guess that the people will get what they vote for, one way or another! The path to communism has never been pretty, that’s for sure!

    • wmagg

      neither has the path to FREEDOM

    • brtw

      Unfortunately those who don’t vote for socialism/corruption will also get it.

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