IRS finally reveals list of tea party groups targeted for extra scrutiny

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June 6, 2016

More than three years after it admitted to targeting tea party groups for intrusive scrutiny, the IRS has finally released a near-complete list of the organizations it snagged in a political dragnet.

The tax agency filed the list last month as part of a court case after a series of federal judges, fed up with what they said was the agency’s stonewalling, ordered it to get a move on. The case is a class-action lawsuit, so the list of names is critical to knowing the scope of those who would have a claim against the IRS.

But even as it answers some questions, the list raises others, including exactly when the targeting stopped, and how broadly the tax agency drew its net when it went after nonprofits for unusual scrutiny.

The government released names of 426 organizations. Another 40 were not released as part of the list because they had already opted out of being part of the class-action suit.

  • J.B. Young

    Has anyone been fired for this? I think not. Our government is full of criminals!

  • Rick Rogers

    when your “non Profit” sends more then is allowed on elections then hell yeah your going to get target. I just wish they had done it a hell of alot sooner becasue their “Crossroads” type pacs were breaking the law

    • MyronJPoltroonian

      Oh, thanks for the reminder. I forgot that Unions are “Non-Profit”.

      • Rick Rogers

        your comparing Apples to Oranges. United States federal tax law, specifically Section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code (26 U.S.C. § 501(c)), exempts certain types of nonprofit organizations from having to pay federal income tax. The statutory language of IRC 501(c)(4) generally requires civic organizations described in that section to be “operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare”. Treasury regulations interpreting this statutory language apply a more relaxed standard, namely, that the organization “is operated primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and social improvements”.

        As a result, the IRS traditionally has permitted organizations described in IRC 501(c)(4) to engage in lobbying and political campaign activities if those activities are not the organization’s primary activity.

        By late September 2010, tax-exempt non-profit groups had spent in excess of $100 million on the mid-term elections, more than double the expenditure from a similar point in the election cycle four years earlier. This made their primary goal political campaigns Not Civic Betterments and Social Improvements. So they should not have Tax Exempt status and should be required to pay taxes on that money they took in. That what it is in a nut shell.. So what you have is a group of Republican Congressman trying to protect Tax Cheats. I thought Republicans were against that sort of thing??

        • MyronJPoltroonian

          Thanks for the lesson on the erosion of the concept of “Equality Under the Law”. “We, the Frogs” (no French aspersions cast nor intended) done been boiled and we don’t even care. How sad for our once, “Liberty and Justice for All”, loving nation.

          • Rick Rogers

            There was no Erosion. They were breaking IRS Rules. Blatantly. There were also a few Democratic groups that would looked at as well but no one seems to want to mention that. IF your neighbor was selling drugs (I.e. Breaking the law) are you going to complain when the cops come to arrest them. They were targeted because of their actions not because of their names after it was found that the majority were Conservatives groups they started looking. If they had not they would be condoning Tax Cheats. When You look under one rock and find bugs it stands to reason you might want to look under a few more rocks in the area/

          • MyronJPoltroonian

            Bullshit! They didn’t start looking a “Progressive Groups” until it became clear that, “The cat was out of the bag”, so to speak, of their one sided delays and denials of groups that were of a conservative bent. That is a proven fact, at least it is if you believe the IRS’s own timeline the investigative committee’s uncovered.

          • Rick Rogers

            Actually documented fact in the congressional Record. Those Groups were cheating and they deserved to have their tax free status pulled.

  • ADRoberts

    When the targeting stopped? Are you kidding. With the cover of the radical liberal news media, why would it stop.
    Lies. All lies. And the first one was “the most transparent presidency in history. Now it IS transparent. Whatever Obama says, you can be sure that it IS a lie.

    • empty pockets

      No, that was telling the truth…as far as it went. He merely left out that it would be the most transparently CORRUPT, ILLEGAL and DISHONEST regime in history.

      • ADRoberts

        That is a twist. You see, for HIS transparency to work, you have to have really low IQ, low information, easy to deceive people out there.
        Yes, he is transparent to US. But not to those who are taking fro us taxpayers.

        • empty pockets

          “Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. They don’t know because they don’t WANT to know.” Aldous Huxley

          We see it in Obamites, Hillary’s hooligans, Bernie’s bozos and even far too many of Trump’s supporters, the tantrum throwers.

          Willful ignorance is averse to facts. They’ve made up their minds. They get angry if you try to confuse them with those inconvenient facts that prove their beliefs wrong.

          • ADRoberts

            Excellent.
            One extra term: Selfish agenda.

          • empty pockets

            True.

            Each lives in a world of One Special Snowflake communicating in “tweets” but with a single question: “what about ME?”

          • ADRoberts

            To change a life PERMANENTLY for the better, change the CENTER of the life to be Jesus Christ.

  • downs1

    Some people are getting upset with my comments; however, I will persist in telling the truth as long as I am able! We are seeing the results of what our leaders have done and not done! They have not told us the truth! They have used us for their personal gain! They have deprived us of our constitutional rights to practice our faith openly in public! On the other hand, they have allowed the Saudi Government to set up an indoctrination program in our public schools to indoctrinate our children into Islam! They have allowed a man to hold the Office of President of the United States who is constitutionally ineligible to hold that office! As a result, our nation is failing! A complicit media has spun the truth and has helped to dumb down the people. The Bible is truth, and it clearly states that “we will reap what we sow!” It is no surprise that we are in serious trouble as a nation. So serious, in fact, that many very thoughtful and knowledgeable people believe that this once-great, powerful and godly nation is finished! I agree!

  • DrBillLemoine

    It’s hardly a ‘political dragnet’ for the IRS to review decisions and groups classified under erroneous definitions of law and subsequent granting of tax exemptions using a mistake. First, someone in IRS’s Cincinnati office wrongly interpreted the law on classifying election related tax exempts. Tax exempt organizations are prohibited from political activity, but mistakenly they were permitted by faulty interpretation. That led to classification of several political and partisan PACs to be classified as tax exempt when they should be. IRS correctly discovered the wrong definition of a single word, changed its rules for determining tax exempts and is rightly reviewing recent tax exempt groups that are conducting political activities for this year’s election. There’s nothing wrong in these latter actions, to correct a mistake whether made deliberately or not to make all tax exempts legitimate and uniform. That Tea Party groups are targeted for wrong classifications is not political but legal action. No tax exempt organization from this point forward should conduct any political activities as some Tea Party PACs are now doing.

    • Cled B. Painter

      DrBillLemoine,
      That is the most LAWYEARLY statement I have ever read!!!!
      Please reread what you said and explain how it makes a LICK of sense.
      You wouldn’t be a liberal would you.
      Cled

      • DrBillLemoine

        In short I said the IRS made a mistake interpreting law and is reviewing PACs wrongly classified as a result.

        • Worried Vet

          It’s getting old when a liberal does it it’s called a mistake or what difference does it make. When a conservative does it it’s called racist, or illegal. Now am I the only one who sees this as wrong and bias? The media goes along with liberals, I think that’s called propaganda or was during WWII. We now are raising wimps who don’t understand what life is all about. When there are no winners and losers how does that prepare children for the real world? There are winners and losers. Liberals know that and do anything to win. I do know if anyone with an open mind does the research liberal policies don’t work. Their cities and states are broke and in serious debt. I wonder how anyone with common sense can think it’s OK to keep spending money until we’re destroyed. I don’t get it.

          • Timothy Thompson

            You strike a good point the addage liberalism is fine until they run out of other peoples money, well they’ve run out of money for sure but somehow they keep spending. I’m afraid we literally are going over the cliff and somehow the Washington crowd thinks they are imune from this disaster but they are not. We are all going to hell in a handbasket.

          • Worried Vet

            Yep and what’s sad is we are allowing it. We keep voting idiots in when we should be looking at someone different. Do research find out then vote, not just vote because of the name.

          • Worried Vet

            Thanks and I believe Margret Thatcher said socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money. When will we get that? After the bottom falls out or worse. This is why it scares me for my family. The media and the country are talking about bathrooms when they should be demanding Congress stop spending money we don’t have. Fix the debt without destroying what’s left of this once great country.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Words DO have meanings, so sloppy prose and rhetoric is a cover up and should be called out like lately. Sometimes words mean ‘mistake’ but pols can’t admit to them ordinarily. So Lerner claims 5th Amendment. Or maybe she deliberately qualified partisan PACs as tax exempt hoping no one would notice, or lower downs would take the blame. Sometimes its bias or bigotry. But are you calling Rush, Beck and Hannity liberal media? That charge is nonsense depending on the editorial board or publisher. You have to dig for the motivations.
            On your ‘winning’ issue, nobody with ambition I know is deterred by getting awards. Nobody who finishes out of the money is made to feel like a loser; that’s a good thing so’s not to discourage weaker competitors.
            I’ve weighed party policies for decades and make my decision by the election–normally favoring movement toward a ‘more perfect union’. That’s all Constitutional decisions that recognizes we are all in one society and must pull together despite subsidiary differences that uneducated or untraveled or unexperienced people hang onto as dividers.
            For states and localities, budget balancing is good. The nation has so many various income sources and stellar (#1) standing in the world, we can run deficits like any household buying cars or a house with loans and mortgages. There’s no destruction in our future except like 2008-9 when too large to fail banks overplay their risk boundaries.

          • Thom Austin

            Great post.. just Google FAILED SOCIALIST COUNTRIES.. Venezuela is literally swimming in a
            petroleum sea and their people are starving in the
            streets and drinking contaminated water while the
            socialist regime “takes care'” of them ALL equally!

          • Worried Vet

            Thank you.

        • Cled B. Painter

          What WORD was wrongly interpreted?
          Why did it take three years to release the list?
          Do you mean SHOULDN’T instead of should, in your comment “That led to classification of several political and partisan PACs etc?
          Who were the PACs that should not have bee exempt, were any Republican?

          • DrBillLemoine

            “Political parties; campaign committees for candidates for federal, state or local office; and political action committees are all political organizations subject to tax under IRC section 527 and may have filing requirements with the Service.” The word made political activity of non-profits optional instead of forbidden.
            As I said, several Tea Party PACs supporting candidates applied for and were granted exemptions wrongly.

        • MyronJPoltroonian

          LOL! “Doc”, in Politics, “Honest” and “Mistake” are Oxymoronic and never to be used in the same sentence.

          • DrBillLemoine

            More suspicious talk, undermining your credibility. Many politicians are honest and admit to mistakes. It just doesn’t sell media space to publish such items. Your cynicism invades your thinking and distorts it.

      • maxx

        Just look at his “mug shot”.

    • mudguy1

      Sorry but it was not someone from the Cincinnati IRS office. Orders came from higher up than than that office. Why do you think Learner plead the 5th?

      • DrBillLemoine

        Cincinnati did the classifications as their assigned task, but I don’t know who made the interpretive mistake–whether Cincinnati or ‘higher up’. Do you?

        • mudguy1

          Ask Learner?

          • DrBillLemoine

            Lerner’s a prime target reinforced by the 5th Amendment claim. If it was an honest mistake, she could have admitted such and corrected the errors. Hiding anything is suspicious.

        • Thom Austin

          I hope you do not drive a car on public streets.. those SOCIALIST BLINDERS your’re wearing would be a safety hazard for the rest of us.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Just remember those public streets you appreciate are paid from socialist and liberal taxes too. You aren’t being fair in drawing the ‘blinders’ line.

    • Rodney Steward

      Ignorance is a Virtue, but Stupid is forever! And U are one full blown Kool-Aid drinking DEM!!!!

    • Thom Austin

      Have you completely stuck your head that far up a dark place??
      Planned Parenthood has been making outrageous contributions
      to the Liberal, Socialist, Marxist Democratic Party for YEARS.
      Just Google it.. it’s there for ALL to see.. your’re an IDIOT OBAMABOT

      • DrBillLemoine

        It’s good not bad for me to donate to candidates and organizations that make my life better or assure my financial stability. PP Planned Parenthood does that for low income women in healthcare. No surprise. For the sake of a tiny amount of abortions, conservatives through out or would abolish all PP outlets, a clear anti-woman move. Who they contribute to is a distraction from real reasons here. Plus words and political systems are quite precise and your list isn’t precise, just right wing propaganda. Think for yourself.

        • Thom Austin

          PP is supported by OUR tax dollars and if you don’t see anything wrong with them giving Liberal, Socialist, Marxist DEMOCRATS millions of hard earned tax payer dollars then perhaps you should REREAD your own post, claiming that such contributions by tax exempt organizations were ILLEGAL (a non-existing word for Democrats).. illegal is only used by them to describe anyone who is sick of their palpable intent to destroy America.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Aside from your partisan attack on Democrats, you should consider that social security, medicare, Medicaid, food stamps and other programs conservatives use right along with liberals are paid by tax dollars. Your line ruling them in and PP out is strictly arbitrary.

          • Cled B. Painter

            Are food stamps and other programs paid for by deductions from pay checks like social security and Medicare are? PLease don’t lump social security an Medicade in with the other REAL entitlements.

          • DrBillLemoine

            ALL are real entitlements, or social programs. Federal funds for all those things come partly from income taxes. You are looking too narrowly only at things paid IN PART by direct payroll taxes but that’s not the whole picture.

          • Cled B. Painter

            I and many millions of seniors who paid SS for 40 plus years will disagree.
            SS was considered retirement insurance and if the government hadn’t stole it for other “social” programs, it would still be self supporting. Medicare was a boondoggle and probably the first step toward obozocare that is designed as a social program. Only working people who pay into Medicare should receive benefits, though the tax payer does have to contribute to support it, now Medicade is a true social program where mostly people who pay none or little income tax get benefits. Why are they “entitled”? What have they contributed or done to be entitled?

            Now if you cannot see the difference in intitlements (we are entitled because we paid for them) like SS and Medicare, and social programs where tax payers pay for them but non tax payers or low tax payers get the benefits, I am wasting my time discussing this with you.
            Let me help you a little here, a true social program should be defined as one that take from the haves and gives to the have nots. This works fine until the haves desid they have been shafted enough and become a have not, now where are the funds going to come from? The government? Where does the goverment get the funds? At this time in history, they borrow them, but when no one will loan to the government where will they come from?
            As I am 76 years old, a registered Petroleum engineer and have provided for my family and educated two children and am still self sufficient, I think that I have earned the right to be heard.
            Cled

          • DrBillLemoine

            Your inhumanity is on display for all to see. One purpose of our government is to promote the general welfare. That’s all social programs that serve many purposes–all laudable from a Christian or ethical viewpoint. That you don’t support anything but self-supporting(questionable anyway) social security and medicare because of tiny tax contributions every payday is sad. If a nation can’t take care of its own people, it isn’t much of a country, especially when the governing document specifies it as a goal (along with defence). Get a heart and support your countrymen.
            Your second paragraph is pure republican baloney. Those that have benefitted the most from American structures should pay the most and they don’t. That’s the whole Feel the Bern campaign. Nobody who’s a fat cat can complain until their tax share is 90% like under Eisenhower. How much do you think it costs to live well in America? Most of the nation struggles with stagnant paychecks for decades and plenty are earning below the poverty level. You are inconsiderate at best not to care that conservative policy ignores unequal opportunity that needs fixing with Democrats in charge of government. Yesteryear I started to be an engineer but realized my forte is with people, not formulas and numbers like you. Good for you providing as breadwinner. You ignore the inequities that prevent many from attaining your good economic status. That’s why I’m a Democrat. Most of the nation supports my position from the last two presidential elections and probably the next two.

          • ezekiel22

            Most of the nation struggles with stagnant paychecks. That is true. That is also the exact opposite what obama was preaching just three days ago. The fact that democrats need inequality on the employment front is despicable. The inner cities of major metropolitan areas are in need of opportunities that will help lower crime and save lives. Cookies and tea programs are a failure. It is stupidity in practice to throw roadblocks to companies like WalMart and ChicFilA that would and have tried to establish in cities like DC and Chicago. It kinda signals other companies to stay away.
            You and cankles want to ban firearms or confiscate them lying to people by telling them that it will reduce “gun Violence”. Neither of you will take responsibility for the innocent lives lost from the bad guys being armed. Like hypocrites you will just dismiss deaths as collateral damage.
            You claim also many politicians are honest and admit mistakes. I guess that omits Killary and obama as honest politicians then.
            You also have stated that the reason for the rise of Bernie is the fact that politicians do not listen to the voters. That is true and also for the rise of Donald Trump as well. It is a political revolution that you better hope succeeds that is going on now. For the moment I am not holding my breath. The reason? That is easy. The abject failure of the DoJ to prosecute political criminals now. Cankles should be indicted over multiple counts by now just on information that is public knowledge. The DoJ should be prosecuting Lerner and others in the IRS for using it to stifle political speech let alone impeding an investigation. At this point in time it could become a more violent revolution and why not? Even local police are being told to not protect certain portions of the citizenry just check Chicago and San Jose. They both have democrat mayors. The visuals are terrible. If you want to blame someone I have a list that you will not fully appreciate but it is honest.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Pick and choose your battles. You jump into the middle of a thread and the middle of my last post. What is the meaning of ‘democrats need inequality on the employment front’? The issue is equality only between the sexes getting paid the same for the same work. Otherwise, the point you keep missing, is equal opportunities via schooling(charters of conservatives don’t get better achievement), training(some trade unions don’t take non-white apprentices), and merit promotions(typically subjective according to the boss’ whim). Desegregation started with a noble goals, equal not separate school facilities. But there was no enforcement mechanism so human nature took hold and we still have too much segregation and inequality in education, training and promotions.
            I don’t know of any ‘cookie and tea’ programs, only night schools, technical college free admissions, and bias free human testing.
            Again, NOBODY WANTS TO BAN FIREARMS OR CONFISCATE THEM, with targeted exceptions of lethality criteria. You are lobbying against a huge law enforcement infrastructure to boot. I’d like to hear your plans to disarm criminals. lol
            Finally the fat cat-subsidized politicians will never hear their constituents till we get their money out of politics. And let’s hear you support Sens. Warren and Sanders trying to take down too large banks, try crooked money managers and rid regulatory boards of ‘bought’ monitors. You are watching too much Bruce Willis and Clint Eastwood to expect revolution. Precisely what ‘dirty harrys’ are told not to police certain areas. It’s nonsense. Actually I blame you for supporting the very things you rail against, for electing folks who maintain the fat cat’s status quo, for ignoring the plight of real Americans who aren’t to your specifications.

          • ezekiel22

            Sorry doc but you stated before that you wished all guns were gone. Before that you wanted gun insurance. Cankles wants to allow people to sue the firearms industry because people use them stupidly. That would close that industry in this country. There is also the extended background checks you are so happy about. The proponents of that little bit actually desire to eliminate any grandfathering in of present gun owners. That is defacto confiscation. As it is now there have been instances of gun confiscation in states such as louisiana and Vermont. You wanted to know my plan to disarm criminals with a little LOL. From what I understand now there are laws on the books that forbid felons from possessing firearms of any sort. Since that is not working how are any more laws going to help? Disarming the presently lawful owners is not the answer. Some are actually using them for self defense. Making it more difficult just hurts them.
            You mentioned apprenticeship programs;( trade unions), that do not accept non-white applicants. Be specific. If that were so they would be in court already and that you know.
            You cite Warren and Sanders as attacking the too large banks. Look at them just a bit closer please. Look at their money. Sanders wife was the president of a failed college which she was instrumental in ruining. Her salary and his money is another story. Warren on the other hand lives in a 3 million dollar mansion as well as has a lucrative part time professorship. While Sanders may be honest to what he claims Elizabeth Warren I doubt. There is a program abetted by laws in effect in Australia that I do fully support that would greatly diminish the power of banks in this country upon the individual. The great part is that it is completely free market so should have support of both parties. Unfortunately both parties are bought and paid for. Pelosi and Reid have both delayed and amended regulations to suit their fortunes. Yes, I could prove it.
            I wished you would listen to the news and note that I gave you cities that the police were told to not interfere with the so called protesters. You know the ones that according to ABC News are paid up to $3500. Whether you like it or not there is a lot of slanting of the news coverages. Please please note I cited ABC News a definitely left leaning news organization.
            I do not have enough time to watch Eastwood movies nor Bruce Willis. Nice try but a fail. I have told you before many times that the ignoring of the citizenry by policymakers and representatives will have consequences. When the law is applied in an arbitrary manner the citizenry loses confidence in not only the law but the government and its apparatus as well. If the law shows partiality and representatives in the government both president and Congress ignore the people then you need to show recourse that will give results. Dems had both Houses and ran roughshod over people. Reps have both Houses and ignore people as well. I may not like to see violence happen but I can see a train coming down the tracks.

          • DrBillLemoine

            My choice would be declare the National Guard the Constitutional militia and limit guns to them. Use the government for insurance.
            Actually I led a jury that couldn’t pin drug dealing on a felon but sent him to jail for weapon possession. It does work. Private citizens would like to believe they protect their families with weapons but it’s a fiction.
            IBEW and Printers trade unions don’t take blacks.
            Banks need breaking up, are bigger now than before their Great Recession debacle despite larger reserves. You realize only rich people can run for U.S. Senate–Sanders and Warren and 98 others. I fault those 2 for not raising a stink sooner.
            The rest is supposition, guesswork, personal bias, and faulty thinking. In the end there’s no ‘train’ coming and would be put down like all other insurrections from G. Washington’s time.

          • ezekiel22

            Your choice on firearm limitation is blatantly unconstitutional for sure. You did miss my point though when you related about the drug dealer going to prison for possession. He still had the gun regardless of the law. Also you do not read the actual stories of people using guns to save their lives and others as well. Not so much a fallacy as a truth you abhore.
            Should you not initiate a civil rights lawsuit against those unions?
            The reason those banks are bigger now is because of policies and deals made by the Obama bunch hands down. The BAC deal was a real job of coercion.
            I do not do supposition. You just will not admit facts. After all I did cite the resource for you to check freely. Stephanoupolis did just bring out that cankles wants to basically abolish guns and refused to admit that we have the right to carry a gun. San Jose sheriff belongs to a racist group called La Rasa. No small wonder he did not protect Trump attendees.
            You still will not answer a the question. What are people to do when their government abuses and ignores them and the law itself flaunted and abused?

          • DrBillLemoine

            Guns scare women and children in public places. That’s enough for me, though it won’t happen to ban them. Repubs are too scared to oppose and dems aren’t in charge of congress to pass another Brady bill.
            Gun safety laws could make it harder for crooks to steal guns or pass them to others legally. Needs work.
            I worked for IBEW writing curriculum. It’s unlikely that many/most minorities would want to be electricians with the high requirements. YOU sue the unions.
            Actually Obama policies stabilized and saved banks in 2008-9’s crash. Now regulations are relaxing again, regulators formerly banking employees are lax in checking so banks expand. Breakup is the only way to moderate retail-investment banking with risks. Your folks would abet bankruptcies and lost of investor/creditor money–not good for consumers.
            If you ever attended Mardi Gras, you would see enlightened crowd control, hands off, and no head cracking like your old George Wallace bunch during desegregation. Get a heart and compassion.
            LaRasa is hardly racist, merely another interest group for oppressed people like NAACP.
            I’d challenge you to name anything done by government at any level that ‘abuses and ignores’ you. What specific ‘flouting of law’ oppresses YOU? It’s simply political sloganeering by you.

          • ezekiel22

            I would embarass you concerning La Raza. I actually checked them out both historically and by their statements. I suggest you do the same. You drink too much kool-aid without questioning.
            Doc you are purposely trying. You are feigning ignorance for some inane reason. I ain’t got time for the Jesse jackson sloganeering as you accuse. You claim to know the issues so show it!

          • DrBillLemoine

            Scared of LaRaza? Bet you cite Margaret Sanger talking about Planned Parenthood too! It’s nonsense when you show you aren’t up to speed. Same for base Repubs citing founders saying it applies to today’s Constitution. Government is fluid and changes with the parties in charge and their policies. Question today’s issues, not yesteryear.
            You apparently don’t recognizing the slightly more sophisticated sloganeering you spout. It’s right wing boilerplate with your twist, but still a form of ignorance.
            Recognize too I’m entitled to opinions–mostly grounded but some not. Guess you don’t like free speech, favor censorship.

          • ezekiel22

            Just what I thought. You do not know what La Raza stands for or its goals. Your ignorance must be bliss. PPs actions speak louder than its words. Those that ignore their murder do so at their risk.
            You chide those that are Constructionists when it concerns the Constitution. Considering that it is a basic contract with the nation I find it amusing but not surprising you think so foolishly. You as a businessman could not and would not operate under a living and breathing contract that changes meanings on whims. Words have meanings that people should be able to trust and not have them depend on a bunch of lawyers out for personal gain.

          • DrBillLemoine

            You cling to a government is like business fallacy. When the people change their government, we all adjust equally, hardly by whim; actually contracts can also be modified by mutual agreement not whim so you live in stagnant thinking or an economic rut.

        • MyronJPoltroonian

          Er, could you put an actual number to that word, “Tiny” you attributed to the abortions Planned Parenthood performed as a part of their “Health Care? An annual figure for the past decade would do – “Doc”

          • DrBillLemoine

            The latest figure I have is about 3% of PP total budget, none of it by federal law from taxpayer money.

          • MyronJPoltroonian

            And what is the actual number (as I asked you for) of aborted, “Unviable Tissue Masses”, does your innocuous sounding figure of “3%” translate to? Or are you too “Uncomfortable” with the concept of telling the rest of the world what the reality of “3%” really means in raw numbers of destroyed, unborn children?
            Addendum: A vastly disproportionate number of which, by the way, are of African-American mothers. I wonder if you realize you’re fulfilling Margret Sanger’s stated goal of eugenics used on the black race when she formed Planned Parenthood?

          • DrBillLemoine

            You can google for more specifics. I’m not your researcher. My position is that tax money isn’t paid for abortions (which I abhor) by federal law, and it’s a tiny portion of PP activity (to support women’s healthcare–a good thing). Your racial breakdown makes your position suspicious as does your reference to the founder whose aims are long since gone and never enacted.

    • Bill Hartman

      DrbillLemoine: But they approved liberal groups during the same period. Nice try, but we ARE talking about using the power of the federal government to give one political party advantage over another. This is political corruption at its worst, like something out of a third-world banana republic. Your interpretation says that all political groups should be denied tax free status. If they applied that equally to all, then there would be no issue.

      • DrBillLemoine

        I don’t know who published the list of conservative groups, but it should include liberal tax exempts wrongly classified as well.
        The impact of the Cincinnati office was to wrongly permit more conservative than liberal groups to be tax exempt. Right about the corruption. All political groups equally must pay taxes according to the law; it’s not me.

  • Tiger

    “What difference does it make?” Hillary sure said a mouth full there an most likely the only truth that ever comes out of her trap.

  • James in Texas

    Well, according to my Republican Congressman, who is more of a Lawyer than a representative, is still telling me that “The President has done nothing that is worthy of Impeachment”, What???? All of us need to look at our elected Rep’s and if we find that they spend their time “buttering their bread” and letting the people be “put in their place”, so to speak. Our form of government is based on their Oath, ethics and principles and if we don’t demand that they do so, well, we need to look in the mirror and asked ourselves………”What was I thinking”! Both individuals should be impeached, and one of them should go to prison, now!!!!! But, I truly wish both of them were destroyed, both personally and loss of all future benefits.

    • Rocket Doc

      WHO IS YOUR REP???

      • James in Texas

        That is between him and the folks of District 5 in Texas. We are the one’s who must replace him. DC is so corrupted that it only takes 3 to 5 years to destroy a good person. That’s why I believe that “Term Limits” are all that stands between losing this country or taking it back!

    • Rodney Steward

      Pockets are being padded with MONEY somehow! The Whole country can see that Obama should have been gone a long time ago, but congress CAN’T!!

      • maxx

        The guys in the House were afraid they would be called “racists”. The democommies in the Senate would never vote to convict. Impeachment should be up to the people not our MISrepresentatives. Sorry but in this instance they were strictly playing politics. It had nothing to do with the facts we all witnessed every single day.

        • Rodney Steward

          I can see your point about the PC game on the race card, but we’re called racist everyday anyway! There has to be a limit to how far your willing to let a person bring your country down, and we’re almost at rock bottom!!

          • empty pockets

            Their cowardice apparently has yet to reach its bottom limit.

          • ADRoberts

            According to the Bible, at the end, the situation they cause will be so bad and then THEY, themseives will claim to solve the problem. And then these “patriots” will rise up and put the very ANTICHRIST in charge.
            Yes. In selfishness and desire for security, America WILL embrace the very essence of wickedness.

            It is already happening. How else can ANYONE vote for Sanders, Clinton OR Trump?

      • empty pockets

        It’s a carrot/stick set up. If they go along and get along they are rewarded with committee placements and their amendments not being ignored, monies being diverted for their districts. If they stand on their hind legs like humans with spines, they will be demonized, isolated and derided, any power stripped from them.

        They serve themselves, not the people and the country.

      • Retired

        If the man was white he would not have survived.

      • James in Texas

        They are all getting very rich at the federal trough, only one answer……………….”Term Limits”, Now!

    • empty pockets

      Seems “high crimes and misdemeanors”, even treason no longer mean what WE thought they meant. Sadly, I get the same cowardly non-answer from mine. And it IS cowardice. They’re afraid of WORDS said about them and WORDS that would be said about them. They fear that more than they fear us and our disgust with them.

      • James in Texas

        Exactly! And, that is why it is up to the people of your District to make him understand that he is “Toast” if he doesn’t start understanding that “He works for you, not the other way around”!

    • ADRoberts

      Someone needs to drive a little intelligence into your “representative’s” head with a baseball bat.
      The presidents PRIMARY job is to enforce the LAWS passed by Congress. And just the numerous laws that he refuses to enforce concerning the border and immigration give PLENTY of SOLID reasons for impleachment.
      If you haven’t gotten it by now. YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IS one of them now. Time to primary him and get another “conservative” who will also likely be bullied, bought or intimidated into refusing to take action.

      • James in Texas

        I have not voted for him these last 3 elections. That’s how DC works, they cover his back, he covers their back!

    • Dolores Adams

      As far as I’m concerned Obama has done a lot of things that should qualify him to be tried for treason. Your Republican Congressman should be voted out. He must be a RINO.

      • James in Texas

        When he was first elected he was rated as a 100% Conservative, lately around 69% and still falling. I quit voting for him 3 elections ago, but he is now an established insider which is the way “they make the game run”! We are going to lose this entire country if we don’t get “Term Limits” in place!

        • Dolores Adams

          I really listened to him when he was campaigning and when he said he wanted to fundamentally transform American, I really didn’t know what he meant, but I soon found out. I used to be a democrat, but after he was elected, I switched parties. I never did trust him.

          • James in Texas

            Ms. Delores, I am assuming that you are talking about Obama, and you are not alone. Millions of folks listen to his words and were fooled into believing that he meant to make America better! He did not, what is a ‘fundamental change”, it is a “Complete change” of everything to “My Way”. Fundamental change gave us Communism, Socialism, National Socialism (Nazi”) and any other form of government that allow one person to take complete control of the lives of every single person under his/her reign! And that means that you will do as you are told or you will just disappear, Period!

    • Lawrencemn

      You’all need to head on over and check out my book Once-Other. What has been done, and is on going, will happen again even if we clean up the mess to one degree or another. Only Once-Other takes us to a New Political Civilization that embraces our Founder’s and our Constitution and ironclads our Rights against the deterioration it’s been subjected to these last several decades. Alinsky, Lenin, and Marx will dance on our graves should we fail to rescue ourselves and our Rights. We don’t really have much time. Violet revolution will hand our country to the enemy for that is what they want, what they need.

      • James in Texas

        I do not believe that I can “check-out” your book from my local library! But, I will search for it on the Web or Kindle and take a look! As for a violent revolution, I hope and pray not, but I will not stand idle and allow the current politicians to destroy our nation for their own wealth and power!

    • Sharron Freitas

      You must be referring to Bush!

      • James in Texas

        I can’t reason why you would think I was referring to “Bush”, whichever one! I was only stating my disappointment in my Congressman! Have a good day!

    • reggie

      I had read an article, that stated he cannot be impeached because he’s not the president. By his refusal to be properly vetted, it is assumed that he is not qualified on at least 1 point. If concovermyazzgress would do their jobs, he could go to prison for a very long time, and ALL rules under his domain would automatically be null and void.

      • James in Texas

        Reggie, our politicians have found a way that allows them to “change anything that could/may/would/should cause them to be held accountable to their Oath in less than 30 seconds. This is call “The Good-ole Boys” meeting where they just agree on a new rule or law that gives them cover against any attempt by the people to interfere with their self-dealing theft of wealth from the Treasury. Our problem, we are just not smart enough to understand that they have put us “in their place”, which I can not find anywhere in the Constitution!

        • reggie

          Disgusting. Never thought i’d see our government sink to such depths. No, it’s never been perfect, but it used to be pretty good and it used to work to bring everyone’s standard of living up.

          • James in Texas

            These are sad times when we see folks who should know the difference between good and bad. The part that fries my pie is the way they stand and lie to our face, and 30 minutes later they are saying……..”Well, you just took it out of context”! I always look back to Ike, the day before D-Day. He sat down and wrote a mea culpa if the invasion failed. Now, that’s a man of Principles!

  • Bob

    Wow, the “transparent” Obama admin would use a branch of the Federal Governments to attack a political rival? And they would block the investigation for more than 3 years? I thought only “bad” Presidents, like Nixon and almost every other Republican since, would do something like this. After all, the Democrats have accused each of this type of behavior. Why this sounds almost “Clintonian”.

    • Tiger

      You don’t know the half of it because I listened to the Congressional hearings on this, on the refugee and border problem and the Iran Deal. O has done more than enough to have him Stand Down but we don’t have anything but RINO in Congress.

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