Judge blocks Trump’s order on sanctuary cities

by JOSH GERSTEIN | politico  |  published on April 26, 2017

Judge-blocks
A federal judge has blocked a directive from President Donald Trump seeking to deny federal funding to so-called “sanctuary cities” and other localities that decline to cooperate in enforcement of federal immigration laws.

San Francisco-based U.S. District Court Judge William Orrick issued a preliminary injunction Tuesday barring federal officials nationwide from carrying out the portion of a Jan. 25 Trump executive order aimed at cutting off grants to local governments that won’t provide assistance to federal authorities in locating and detaining undocumented immigrants.

Orrick cited public comments from Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions in concluding that the order appeared intended to sweep more broadly than allowed by federal law. The judge, an Obama appointee, called “not legally plausible” the Justice Department’s arguments that Trump was simply trying to secure compliance with current law.

“If there was doubt about the scope of the Order, the President and Attorney General have erased it with their public comments,” Orrick wrote. “The Constitution vests the spending power in Congress, not the President, so the Order cannot constitutionally place new conditions on federal funds.”

  • roboteq

    All of this just gives Americans the sense that with enough rhetorical claims, all laws are subject to be able to be “legally” disobeyed, at least by some. By having so many laws and regulations that “some” are allowed to disobey, we have entered the Orwellian world where all animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

  • BOC

    This EO is about Cities recognizing and enforcing EXISTING laws that are already in place. This will go to the SCOTUS and be upheld as will Trump’s EO regarding the travel ban.
    This is one more move by the Progressives to judge shop and get the expected result without giving a legal opinion to actual content of the EO. The 9th Circuit is a joke with an abysmal record when their rulings are appealed.

    For all you progressives out there, keep poking the bear. One day the bear is going to rear up and the end result may not be to your liking………….

  • wmagg

    All federal funding to sanctuary cities should be set to a limit of $1 dollar per year until these cities comply with federal law. As for the so called judge he is and always has been the problem and NOT a part of the solution. If the courts advocate the violation of the law then they no longer serve the interest of the people or the nation and as such no longer matter, but in fact provide unto the people the right to ignore the courts and their demands.

  • Brad

    It is time to start impeachment on these liberal judges.

    • it would be great if we were able to ‘unseal’ the muzzie redline boys’ records, find that he was ineligible to be president, & undo EVERYTHING he instituted-including all appointments (judges + what/whoever else). Just wipe it clean.

  • Betty

    blood on his hands

  • John Freese

    Go to the Supreme court seeking warrants siting constitutional law and have them arrested. Trump can charge them with abuse of office, aiding a abetting wanted fugitives, obstruction of Constitutional Law, criminal endangerment of U.S Citizens and treason. Once the first few are found guilty and thrown in jail for 10-20 or more, the rest will comply.

  • Ted Crawford

    More judicial overreach by the 9th. Circus !! Who have all the judicial credibility of a coked up hooker from the Bowery! Darn, now I owe the Bowery hookers an apology!

  • FRENCHIE1369

    I CAN JUST HEAR MY DAD SCREAMING “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, AND TOO MUCH IS A G*DDAMN PLENTY” !!! HE USED TO YELL THAT QUITE A BIT WHEN I WAS A KID. MORE & MORE THESE DAYS, I UNDERSTAND JUST WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT. YEAH, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. ALL THESE “SPECIAL ED” JUDGES WERE BASICALLY ABSENT, OR AT LEAST QUIET & COMPLICIT THE LAST 8 YEARS. NOW, THEY’RE MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME…IN SPADES !!! THEY KEPT THEIR MOUTHS SHUT ALL THE WHILE comrade obama MORE OR LESS WIPED HIS @$$ WITH THE CONSTITUTION ON A DAILY BASIS. OH, BUT NOW ONE OF THOSE NASTY, EVIL REPUBLICANS IS IN THE OVAL OFFICE….LET’S COCK-BLOCK EVERYTHING HE TRIES TO DO !!! I SWEAR, MAKES ME LONG FOR THE DAYS OF SEN. JOE McCARTHY & HIS COUNCIL ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES. I’LL BETCHA HE WOULDN’T BE GOING ALONG WITH THIS COMMIE CRAP & HE’D NOT REST UNTIL THE PROPER HEADS ROLLED. THERE’S GOT TO BE A WAY TO HAVE THESE MISCREANT JUDGES ARRESTED, DISBARRED, & CHARGED WITH OBSTRUCTION (IF NOT OUTRIGHT TREASON) & MAKE DAMN SURE THEY NEVER GET NEAR A COURTROOM EVER AGAIN…NOT EVEN AS A JANITOR……………

  • TAM44

    That judge is aiding and abetting criminals and should be fired, so should the mayor.

  • exoticdoc2

    Pretty sad when the so-called judges, appointed by the worthless Obamanation of course, are siding with the criminals who are defying our laws.

  • Jose

    Budget cuts are needed so why not start with all the “free” money that the states are getting in support of ILLEGAL INVADERS. Make sure that if federal funds are provided based on the number of “citizens” then make sure that the count is only of “citizens” not every ILLEGAL INVADERS OR their CACA (oops, meant DACA) bestarfds.

  • Thomas Goss

    I hope one of these god dam ILLEGAL ASSHOLES he’s protecting, CUT HIS THROAT.

    • C. LeSaint

      DON’T use thy LORD GOD’S NAME IN VAIN!!!

  • nokabosh

    The president has the authority and duty implicit in the Constitution to stop funding mayors or entities that are performing illegal activities associated with harboring illegals contrary to Federal law.

  • Jose

    Does californication not want to be a separate state? so why are those judges passing judgment on the USA. They should stick (it up theirs) to ruling within their own deviate state.

  • maxx

    Isn’t it time that federal judges learn that the president has more official power than an unaccountable to the people appointed judge? The Courts job is to interpret and uphold laws legislated by Congress. They have no authority to rewrite or overrule them. That is why we have a “separation of powers clause in the Constitution”. This activism at all levels of the judicial system must be eliminated.

  • nokabosh

    These activist judges ignore the Constitution. Money sent to sanctuary cities is not a “debt” to be paid. It can be withheld at any time. .

  • Ramon1710 .

    Judge William Orrick appointed by the bathhouse Monkey. That says it all.

    “Trump was simply trying to secure compliance with current law.”
    Morelike getting these subversive freaks to begin compliance with current law.

  • champion2211

    Time to fire this judge as he will not uphold the Constitution and laws of this country. Arrest and prosecute.

    • bobnstuff

      The problem for you here is the judge is up holding the constitution here. Trump once again didn’t get it right with his order and then to make matters worse he opened his mouth.

  • Bob S

    Tell San Fran that Hellen Waite is in charge of their grants. If they want the grants go to Hellen Waite.

    • Orris herland

      Just get out of them hell hole cities , leave them with all the Illegals, and see how long they last.

  • Leslie Woodhull

    Of course it would be a STUPID SAN FRANCISCO JUDGE THAT WOULD DO THAT!!! GET RID OF HIM NOW!! IMPEACH THAT IDIOT NOW!! Actually, I’M REALLY GLAD THIS A@@ DID THIS. BRING IT TO THE SUPREME COURT!! NOW THAT WE HAVE GORSUCH, THIS PEE-ON JUDGE WILL BE OVER-RULED FOR GOOD!!!

  • Rachel

    Does this mean states can ignore all federal rules they disagree with? EPA threatens to hold highway money if states don’t enforce air rules. Based on this ruling, I do not think they should be able to. Same with transgender rules.

    • Harry J Schaubel

      Sure. All you need is an Obama judge and you’re home free.

  • Peter Pihun

    Another liberal a-hole judge. Some idiot liberal judge will always block a republican’s order. That’s what these anti american morons do.

  • Tbear

    It is time to break up the 9th Circuit.

  • CrustyOldGeezer

    Just send in the US MARSHALS to arrest the ‘judges’ that have actively blocked PRESIDENT TRUMPS executive orders that ENFORCE EXISTING LAW and deliver them to the nearest Military Base to face a Military Tribunal.

    Their actions are a DIRECT VIOLATION of the Constitutional Assigned Powers.

    US courts only have jurisdiction over “Legislated” laws.

    I’m certain that a Group of Military Offices will be able to explain the LIMITS judges have in the performance of their Duties.

    IF their decisions are “Political agenda driven”, THAT would be an act of Treason against WE, THE PEOPLE.

    • podunk1

      THANK YOU! Sanity in this country is LONG OVER-DUE!

    • bobnstuff

      So do you support the Constitution? It’s that constitution that give congress the power of the purse. They say where the money goes. Trump is a President not a King. Also there are some other laws that keep local law enforcement from doing the Federal governments job. We are a country of laws and even when you don’t like them they still need to be followed. Trump is still learning how government works. He can’t unilaterally do things. He has to work with congress on things, good luck with that.

      • CrustyOldGeezer

        oh golly…. oh gee….

        I have been taken to task by a jeenyus

        I suggest you enroll in the Hillsdale College FREE courses on the US Constitution.

        As the executive, the President has a great deal of latitude on what expenditures are “Necessary and Proper”.

        And you are quite correct, we DO NOT HAVE a “king”.

        But why didn’t you notice that in the last 8 years.

        Perhaps your ‘talking points memos’ failed to tll you to complain about a corrupt emperor and his UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTIONS?

        • bobnstuff

          In this case he once again got it wrong and has stepped out of his zone of powers. You will notice that Obama spent very little time in court with his orders. He understood the law and how to write an EO that worked. This is what you get when you put a businessman in the White House who doesn’t understand how things work in government. You may not like Obama but he was a good lawyer and know the limits of his powers. He pushed the limits at times but he understood just how far he could go. Trump has never figured this out. He has spent his whole life in court because of it.

          • nokabosh

            Obama never presented a case in court. He spent what time he did in a law firm with his feet up on a desk writing a book on himself on a laptop. The other lawyers despised him. And several of Obama’s EO’s were reversed. Others should have been but activists judges he had appointed took no action.

          • bobnstuff

            Out of the almost three hundred EO’s only eight were reversed. Courtroom law has nothing to do with writing laws. One is a type of theatre and the other is knowing the rules. You do also understand that there are a lot of judges on the bench that were appointed by Bush. For a lot of Obama’s term there were more republicans on the bench then democrats. Right now only a third of the appeals judges are Obama appointments.
            https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2016-12-29/barack-obama-president-and-lawyer-in-chief

          • kbfallon

            He loaded the courts with his “Butt-Buddies” to do just what they are doing. This will all be overturned in court—but it will take time and that’s what they wanted to happen….tie it all up in court.

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            Poor ‘bobwasstuffed’.

            Perhaps you can explain where the bammie keeps his license to practice law?
            moochell keeps his/hers/its?

            Perhaps you failed to notice that complaints filed against his actions always got referred to one of his political appointees?

            Or maybe you have failed to notice that every ‘judge’ that has blocked PRESIDENT TRUMPS Executive Orders have been financial donors to obama?

            Are you aware that the current ‘judge’ actually BOUGHT his appointment through “bundled’ political donations, as well as some pretty hefty personal donations to obama?

            IF there is any person that “has not figured out” where the ignorance and stupidity lies, you can look in the mirror to get a glimpse of him.

          • bobnstuff

            Trump can’t write an executive order that passes the courts. Get over it. After all no one in Trumps cabinet bought their jobs did they?

          • CrustyOldGeezer

            PRESIDENT TRUMPS ‘problem’ with the courts is the CORRUPTION in the Courts.

            Yes, I do know that it makes you feel bad that the corruption is so bad that even the media can’t keep it hidden.

            And yes, I do know that you need a diaper change evreytime I set you down for one of our little chats.

            And you should know by now that I have no concerns for your feelings because I do not pay for your diaper cleaning service, and I do not do the changing.

            Deal with it!

      • chw2000

        We are a country of laws and states and cities do not get to choose which of those they will and will not enforce. That’s the point. When a mayor orders his police to not cooperate with federal officers, then the law is being violated and, in my opinion, that mayor should be arrested. What’s going on with these cities IS a crime and needs to stop!!!

        • bobnstuff

          The laws are clear here, the Federal government can not make local law enforcement do their job. Also they need arrest warrants just like the locals do. Until ICE starts playing by the rules the locals can blow them off. You will notice that ICE is complaining to the press but they are not arresting anyone for not helping them. The Mayors know the law and until it’s changed by congress they will do as they wish. As far as where the money goes the President has limited powers here. That’s what the judge said in this case and it will hold up in the higher courts.

          • maxx

            If you have any knowledge of the Constitution Federal laws supersede local laws unless local laws are stricter.

          • bobnstuff

            If you check congress has never passed a law that give power to enforce federal law to the locals. There are agreements between some states to do so but not all. This is why no one is in court for not arresting people for being here illegally.

          • chw2000

            Bob, you need to read article 4, section 4 of the constitution. It’s clear enough that anyone with an 8th grade education can understand.

          • bobnstuff

            “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.”
            So tell me how this has anything to do with local law enforcement enforcing Federal law? If anything it puts the ball in the Washington’s court.

          • chw2000

            It should be pretty clear that the “Executive” ( President Trump ) has a is intended to “protect each of them against Invasion”. Illegal entry to the US, IS INVASION. I know you liberals don’t want to recognize it for what it is.

          • bobnstuff

            I guess that it’s the federal governments job to protect against invasion, as stated in the constitution, not the local government. We also have an unfunded mandate going on here. If the federal government wants a local government to do their job then need to pay the cost of it. There are also some problems with the law in this case. Present law is weak and pretty hard to enforce. This was worded on a few years ago but the republicans in the house blocked it. The bill had border protection and stronger laws making deportation easier. To bad Obama supported it, that meant the house republicans couldn’t even debate it.

          • chw2000

            The federal government is NOT asking the local government to do their job. They are simply asking that local governments NOTIFY them ( ICE ) of illegal immigration. Then ICE will do THEIR job. It is not complicated, it’s called cooperation. I know that’s a difficult concept for a liberal to grasp!

          • bobnstuff

            If they violate the trust of the community their job of enforcing the laws is made harder. Our system is based on trust. Rounding up illegals are not their job. If the people they serve don’t trust them because they are afraid of being turned in they just can’t do their real job to serve and protect.

          • chw2000

            You really should change your screen name to BSBob. Illegal is illegal. So, if i want to drive 80 MPH thru a school zone, it’s ok because if i get pulled over I won’t trust the police? You and your liberal friend are a joke. Tell me BSBob, are you a citizen or are you here illegally? You are certainly trying to protect the illegals who have BROKEN THE LAW! I guess you dumb a$$ liberals don’t understand that.

          • bobnstuff

            If you drive 80 mph in a school zone the member of ICE will not be pulling you over since it’s a local law and as a rule federal agencies don’t enforce them. My problem is with the law as it is written, it’s a weak law and is hard to enforce. If being here illegally is a big deal then the law should have real penalties for both the person breaking it but for those that help then break it by employing them. In Texas you can hire an illegal to do yard work or house keeping without breaking state law. Being here illegally is a misdemeanor. Driving through that school zone at 80 mph is a bigger crime under the law.

          • chw2000

            Ok, bad example. I’;ll give you that. The point is that laws are laws and need to be enforced. If local law enforcement refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement, then local law enforcement has broken the law by aiding and abetting criminals. That should be quite obvious to everyone. It’s not an option for local law enforcement to choose what laws they will enforce and what laws they won’t enforce. I think you would agree with that. And, everyone keeps saying the immigration system is broken. It is NOT broken. It is simply not being enforced. You can argue for stronger laws but the law is not the problem, lack of enforcement is the problem.

          • bobnstuff

            the SCOTUS says states don’t have to enforce federal law.
            https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-1478.ZS.htmlhttp://volokh.com/2013/05/07/a-constitutional-law-lesson-for-steve-benen/
            The police and more important the DA’s have always picked which laws to enforce and how they would enforce them. Ever heard of prosecutorial discretion?
            http://thelawdictionary.org/prosecutorial-discretion/
            Also have you taken the time to look at the present immigration laws. They are pretty much useless, unenforceable and weak.
            http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html

          • chw2000

            Bob, please change your sn to BSBob. The law is the law. and yes i have heard of prosecutorial discretion. Please know that in my life time *(73 years) i have known and still know many lawyers, police officers and elected officials on a first name personal basis. I assure you Bob, police officers are not allowed to use ]prosecutorial discretion as their personal discretion. When it comes to illegal immigration, THEY ARE ORDERED BY THEIR SUPERIORS NOT TO COOPERATE WITH FEDERAL AGENTS. That is NOT what you refer to. That is pick and choose what laws to enforce. And, I would suspect the SCOTUS will ruling on something similar very soon. As for the LAW, it is not up to you and i or law enforcement to decide if a law is weak. The LAW IS THE LAW. No Mayor, Governor, or police officer or ACLU attorney has ever rendered a verdict or been allowed to give a thumbs up or thumbs down on any law. The law needs to be enforced and local and state law enforcement needs to cooperate with federal law enforcement. Once again, you’re wrong and your argument does not “hold water”.

          • bobnstuff

            I guess you have never been pulled over and given a warning instead of a ticket. That’s prosecutorial discretion. Being in the country illegally is the same level of crime as speeding. As I have pointed out local police not required to enforce federal law, I gave you a link to the Supreme Court case.
            The SCOTUS has supported the use of prosecutorial discretion in immigration law.
            http://immigrationimpact.com/2012/06/27/in-arizona-case-supreme-court-affirms-legality-of-prosecutorial-discretion/

          • chw2000

            Apples and oranges BSBob. Go back to the liberal spin tank. Bye bye./

          • bobnstuff

            To be present in the United States of America without permission is a misdemeanor the same as a speeding ticket. Check the law. If they can prove you jumped the fence it’s $500 and six months in jail. Only half the illegals in the country can in illegally. The law needs changed. I have given you the legal rules on the subject. The SCOTUS say the local police don’t have to enforce the law, the law says they must have a hearing. The SCOTUS also has given these people legal rights. These are facts. If you don’t like them then have the laws changed but this is what the law says right now. You keep saying the government needs to do things but they have laws that they can follow and they do. You will notice the lawyers aren’t the ones making the case. You have people like Rush and friends telling you things that are not based on facts. Our President instead of trusting his own people gets his “facts” from TV. You seem to believe that I like having people here illegally, I don’t but I also understand why they are here and the problem with trying to get rid of them. We need immigration reform. We need laws that work in this matter. Those that say we simply need to enforce the laws on the books have never bothered to read them. The State of Texas has a law saying that you can employ illegals in some jobs. You might have noticed that it wasn’t challenged in court.

          • chw2000

            Dear BOB, the federal government is asking for cooperation. You dumb a$$ liberals don’t get it. That’s obvious and disgusting. I hope one of those “misdemeanor” illegals rapes your wife or daughter. Perhaps then you’ll understand. THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY! Now, go away!

          • bobnstuff

            The federal government can ask all they want but unless the laws are changed they can’t make the local government inforce their laws. I’m amazed at how little you really know about things. If you fear your wife or daughter being raped you should look at your friends, family and neighbors since they are a hundred times more likely to do it then an illegal. One in ten women on college campuses will be raped. As a rule those here illegally are more law abiding then everyone else. They only break one law.

          • chw2000

            You are a total idiot and I will no longer converse with you. Go to hell Bob. You have no concept of reality. Bye BSBOB!

      • Harry J Schaubel

        Except that in relation to Immigration the PRESIDENT has the say since it’s his ultimate responsibility to decided who is allowed entry into our country. NO JUDGE has that authority.

        • bobnstuff

          This is about stopping funds not about immigration. Money is congresses power. Also there are even limits on what the president can do about immigration law. He can’t go against the constitution when enforcing the laws.

          • Harry J Schaubel

            No. It’s about stopping illegal immigration. It’s about stopping Criminal Mayors from ignoring Federal Laws in favor of a few more illegal votes.
            Illegal Aliens HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION. The US Constitution is for AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!! Illegal Aliens are Criminals. Aiding, Harboring, or Abetting a criminal is a crime in itself.

          • bobnstuff

            Go read the constitution. The powers section is pretty clear. As far as being here illegally, yes it’s a crime but only a misdemeanor like a parking ticket. Even still there is this thing called due presses. this means you need things like warrants to arrest people and hold them. Under present law locals don’t have to inforce immigration law. If you don’t like this get the law changed by congress. That being said this case isn’t about immigration but about funding. Funds given by congress are under the authority of congress and not the President. Also in the US we give anyone in the country most of the same right as citizens, always have. It’s been established case law for almost our entire history.

          • Harry J Schaubel

            Under present “LOCAL” laws they are not enforcing immigration laws. That is still a violation of Federal Laws.

          • bobnstuff

            Not all federal laws are enforced by local law enforcement. There are rules on this. Immigration is one of those laws that the locals have the say over what they do about them. That’s how locals get around it. You might notice that no one is being arrested for not enforcing the laws and all Trump can do is threaten to take money away from them and even that doesn’t seem to be one of his powers.

          • It’s not “due presses”, it’s ‘due process’.

          • bobnstuff

            Thanks, I’m having a fight with spell check.

          • nokabosh

            The Constitution gives Congress authority over immigration. Congress has given it by statute to the Executive. Thus Trump has the authority to enforce those laws. Also the authority to not fund illegal activities by mayors and others to harbor illegals.

          • bobnstuff

            Trump can only enforce the laws as written, he can’t change them. The laws on the books today aren’t very good or very strong. Obama ran into the same problem and asked for stronger laws but the House said no.

        • bobnstuff

          Just did some reading and Immigration is not a power given to the President alone but shared by both the president and congress since it come under the treaty part of his powers. Read Article II.

      • maxx

        Oh, would that be like Oblowhard and his “I have a pen and I have a phone” attitude and his constant circumventing Congress?

        • bobnstuff

          He was a lawyer and know just how far he could go before being slapped down by the courts.

          • Harry J Schaubel

            Actually he was a DISBARRED Lawyer. You know. A Lawyer who violated the law for his own favor.

          • bobnstuff

            Obama has never been disbarred. You need to check your facts better. He has put his license into an inactive status since he and his wife are not practicing law at this time. It was never taken from him.
            http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/the-obamas-law-licenses/
            I also went to https://www.iardc.org and checked.

          • Bamy-boy was NOT a lawyer. Both he & his hubby, moochy, had been disbarred.

          • bobnstuff

            Sorry you got bad facts. Never was either disbarred. https://www.iardc.org
            http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/the-obamas-law-licenses/

          • Ted Crawford

            It’s twisted little minions such as yourself, that allow Leftist despots to destroy ever more of the fabric of American Society. Ultimately it will destroy America Herself. The greatest system of government ever conceived by humankind! There are two cause for people to act so counter intuitively, they either act out of ignorance, or stupidity. You certainly aren’t ignorant!

      • Ted Crawford

        Funny, you didn’t have any problem when Obama issued his Dreamer EO. Remember Immigration is also an issue mandated to Congress by the Constitution!

        • bobnstuff

          His EO was well written and with in the limits of his powers. He know it couldn’t be anything but a temporary waver, a delay in enforcement. Reagan did the same thing. For either ones EO to become permanent they would need congress to act.

          • Ted Crawford

            How telling! You consider it perfectly fine, even laudable, to usurp the intent and purpose of our Constitution…..just as long as one uses the disingenuous rhetoric of ‘legalese’ !
            Perfect example of why the term ‘Progressive Logic’ is considered one of the worlds ultimate Oxymorons!

          • bobnstuff

            Do you know what the term progressive even means? The progress movement was a Republican movement in the beginning but now there’s a new republican movement and Trump is the product of it. The bowel movement. His followers are now the ultimate oxymorons. So if someone takes an office that he only got on a technicality is he a usurper?

          • Ted Crawford

            As a recovering Democrat, I’m very well aware of what the term Progressive means, as practiced by todays Democrat Party! They have taken the worse tenets of several far left ideologies, Communism, Socialism, and Obama’s favorite, Marxism, and compressed them into an egregious system designed to collapse America’s system and replace it with total government control. IE: just one, of many, struggling banana republics, easy prey for the NWO despots.
            Once again, ‘Progressive (il) logic rears it’s idiotic head, It’s perfectly fine to wield the Constitution, like a weapon, when you fell it serves your disgusting purpose, when it doesn’t, you excoriate it!
            The Electoral College was designed, by our wise Founders, with YOU, and those of your ilk in mind!!

          • bobnstuff

            You really have bought the tabloid conservative line. Name one thing Obama ever did that was communist. You do know what that word means I hope. You have latched onto just about every crazy belief people like Alex Jones has put out there. Your NWO is a myth created to mislead the weak minded. You once again show that you don’t even understand what the progressive movement was or is today. Go read up on Teddy Roosevelt, a good republican.

            Don’t you feel strange defending the electoral college after people like Trump damned it for all those years.

          • Ted Crawford

            No Teddy Roosevelt was not a “good Republican”, he was a Liberal Republican.
            To name what Obama did that is Progressive, is simple everything. From PPACA thru his egregious attempt to usurp the First Amendment!
            I’m well aware of the NWO, I first encountered it when working for Pat Schroeder (D) Colorado, in 1970. There is nothing mythical about it. Then, given we had only Conservatives and Liberals in positions of power, I discounted it as ever being a possibility in America. Now with you Progressives it’s a very real probability!
            For your information, throughout the entire 2016 campaign I was a ” Never Trumper”, I didn’t decide to vote for him until I actually had the ballot in my hands, because the alternative was just too grossly unacceptable!
            I have many differences with president Trump, as I did with President Kennedy. I disagree with his Tariff policy, and the Wall, for example. That being said, he IS the President. If, as I believe, he is making mistakes they are simply mistakes and not intentional attempts to destroy our country as was the case with Obama!

          • bobnstuff

            You didn’t give an example of some communist action on the part of Obama. Obama is a progressive, which is a good thing. We need forward thinkers leading out country, not people who want to take us back to some mythical glory days. The problems Teddy Roosevelt faced are very much like those of today. Wealth being concentrated into the hands of the few and money taking away the power of the people. I have spent my life running businesses, and because of that I have zero respect for our president. He’s not a good leader or for that matter a good businessman. What he is good at is selling. He sold people the idea that some how in the past the country was greater then today and that he could take them back to that time. He also used two groups of people as the scapegoats for everything that is wrong. The Muslims and the Hispanics. He has had help in selling this myth from the tabloid media and it’s stars. Alex Jones, Mr. Hannity and their friends that paved the way for him. Now we are stuck with him and the sheep that follow him. I’m no Clinton fan and was very unhappy with my choices last November. I supported John Kasich in the primaries. As far as I’m concerned in Kennedy’s case if he hadn’t been shot he would have gone down in history as one of the worst presidents. Trump is a lazy president. He make lots of nose but does as little as he can. His EO’s are just one example of this. They are badly written and not well though out. He clamed to have a healthcare bill but never came up with it. He want tax reform but can only come up with a wish list. He want everything to be great but doesn’t put the time or effort into making thing happen. Everything with him is off the cuff and not well planned out. He doesn’t check his facts or have others check the before he say things. He doesn’t even remember what he said five minutes ago. I’m no bleeding heart liberal but I expect a lot more form the President then we are getting.

    • Harry J Schaubel

      Don’t stop with the Judges. Arrest the Mayors for Harboring, Aiding, & Abetting Criminals. And since this “Judge” is an Obama appointee, like Oregon’s & Hawaii’s, it IS Political.

      • elmcqueen3

        You got that right…this judge is a political activist for the liberal leftist in this country…otherwise known as…”Democrats”.

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      • CrustyOldGeezer

        I had no intentions of letting the ‘gubbermint offishulls’ off the hook.

        They have the same problem and every one of them should face a Military Tribunal.

        There is a lot to be said about public hanging of corrupt politicians that tends to clean up the messes they leave behind.

        How about a “Mobile Gallows” mounted on a semi trailer and set up in the town square for the Friday Night Special?

        You could remove them a dozen at a time.

    • kbfallon

      Hey”Geez”….just don’t send them their money….let them keep checking the mail box. Let them “sue”.

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