More guns in hands of law-abiding citizens will make U.S. safer, NRA members say

by David Sherfinski  |  published on May 30, 2016

Riots had broken out when Al Parsons was attending summer school at Louisiana State University soon after the Gun Control Act of 1968 passed, and someone was beating on his apartment door at midnight.

“I looked at my buddy. I said, ‘None of my friends are coming this time of night,’” Mr. Parsons said. “He says, ‘Mine either.’”

Mr. Parsons, a 67-year-old retiree from Indiana, said he had recently asked his father to purchase a pistol for him — a buy he suspects would now be labeled an illegal “straw purchase.”

“So I picked up that gun and I walked to the front door, and I opened it, and I stick the pistol in the first one’s stomach,” said Mr. Parsons, the former CEO of the Insurance Federation of Minnesota. “I said, ‘Can I help you?’ There were three on one side, two on the other, and [he] said, ‘Oh, no, we must have the wrong place.’

  • Bob

    I have often said that more people have died in Ted Kennedy’s car than by all of my guns. Guess I have to up date that one. How about more people have died opposing the Clinton than by all of my guns.

  • generalJed

    Mr. Cleverfun: A lot of us “good” citizens carried switchblades and .25 automatics (I carried three!) to deter crime. I even taped a .45 automatic to my hand at night to deter home invaders (and it did). I saved a cops life, and my next door neighbor’s life. The Democrats used to say that chaos was their best friend, because it kept them in office. They cared nothing for lives, except for the Daley family, who had 19 bodyguards with submachine guns. Even though anti-gun Mayor Richard M. Daley is no longer Mayor of Chicago, the State of Illinois still pays his 19 bodyguards 1.9 million dollars per year!

  • The Rev.

    People are blind to the fact that once they took God, Jesus, and the Holy Bible out public School, and this Lawless Govt. The crime rate have climbed out the window. They replaced carrying a Bible with carrying a Gun. Guns have always been part of this Nation for Freedom.The separation of Religion and States is not a Law. A Liberal judged came up with this in 1946 from reading Thomas Jefferson’s personal letters. He was not anti-Christian as he was also a Minister (Pastor) and help services to some 800 people every Sunday at Capital Hill. Where is the separation? The Govt. use to pay the salary of the Ministers of the Churches. In fact the Govt. is still paying Ministers to preach (Now) called Chaplains in the services and given a rank. There is no separation. The U.S Constitution was signed my many Christian Ministers. The Mayflower came with Christians to preach and pray with Christian Bibles called “THE GENEVA BIBLE”. The first thing they did upon landing was put a Cross on the Beach. Many States at that time had Religion tests to become a Public servant. More Liberal lies to promote Sin, and crime. No one has enough guts with the truth to stand up to the Liberals and the One World Order. God Almighty stands in their way. We Christians must take a stand before they made Godless slaves of us. GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • ONTIME

    So far and until I can foresee real change in criminals, I’d say the NRA has this one down pat and places like Chi-Town, Baltimore, Ferguson, Detroit and so on are a real good reason to tell the idiots that are anti-gun to live specifically in those gun law areas of failure…….let us all know when your clear on the concept…..

  • Cleverfun

    More guns in hands of law-abiding citizens will make “US” safer…

    Sounds Like a GREAT Bumper Sticker to me!

  • MidnightDStroyer

    The 2nd amendment is the one cornerstone Right that allows anyone to have any other Rights at all. How can an unarmed person have Free speech, or Free Religious Expression, or can keep a Claim of Property when there’s an evil person with a gun to their head?

    The Right to Self-Defense is evident even in the Natural World: the bird can fly away, the turtle has a shell, the tree has a layer of bark against severe weather, the lion has teeth & claws against the scavenging jackel that wants to steal the lion’s food…Humanity has the ability to make *tools* & the gun is a tool of self-defense.

  • MoonBeamWatcher

    Howz about attacking the outlaws!
    ONE YEAR in jail for unlicensed gun. PERIOD, no exceptions!
    Says NOTHING about using gun in a crime! Just possession.

  • robert sanders

    I would like to know what the CDC has to do with guns. I own several weapons and there not sick. I clean them every time I target practice with them and oil them really good. I then take a clean cloth and wipe them really good. I check them for any kind of cracks and nicks and there are none. The barrels are crystal clean and the triggers work great. So why does the government want the CDC to analyze guns. Waste of tax payers money if you ask me. But then, Obama waste a lot of things in this country. What I am still baffled at is, whos the real dumbasses who elected this idiot who thinks hes a president. Think ill go back to cleaning my guns a little better.

    • Cleverfun

      Next question… why does the CDC have oversight on the Cruise Line Industry and why do ALL of the passengers keep coming down with the same “off-the-wall” illnesses on any given cruise??? I mean, it’s a ship right… why not the Coast Guard?

      Things that make you go hmmmmmm…

      • robert sanders

        think about it

        • Cleverfun

          right!

    • Daniel W

      This is another ploy by the liberal gun grabbers to equate gun ownership with sickness.

  • ToniStimmel

    If you want more armed good citizens you must 1st change the laws that only protect criminals:

    1) Outlaw civil law suits by the actual and would be criminal perpetrators and their accomplices and the bystanders for damages for all actions of the actual or would be victim(s) and innocent bystanders in defense and attempted prevention of a criminal act and attempted capture of the actual and/or would be perpetrator(s) and accomplice(s).

    2)Outlaw all criminal charges against the victim(s) and/or innocent bystanders without proof of preexisting personal malice against the individual casualties.

    The legals bills of all the victim(s) and innocent bystanders are to be covered by the plaintiff(s) or the legal authority(s) bring the suit or charges.

  • Wayne Thorson

    Our forefathers that wrote the 2nd Amendment didn’t have to contend with the machine gun type weapons we have now. They made gunslingers check in their six shooters on the edge of town. They couldn’t imagine someone taking out 20 people in less than a minute like we have today.

    • Strider-51

      Wayne, surrender your cowboy hat.

      • Wayne Thorson

        Sorry my hat bothers you. I just like throwing my hat into the ring. I do know how it upsets those far far right Republicans.

        • Strider-51

          Wayne, the hat does not bother me, its the thought possess that is going on in your noggin under the hat. I can imagine that next you will propose to outlaw expert shooters because they have an unfair advantage. Western hats are a symbol, one you do not deserve.
          Semper Fi

          • Wayne Thorson

            That’s just an opinion of a far far right Republican. The far far right Republicans in my home town hate me a lot more than you do. I am the most hate person in my home town by those far far right Republicans. I have written letters to the editor in my home town and I have bragged about how I wear that crown proudly. That hat is a symbol of my crown. Your hatful words that you throw at me are blessing. That’s how I look at them.

          • Bill Hartman

            The State of California did, in fact pass a law labeling various rifles, including most AR-15 223 rifles, as “assault weapons” and requiring all such be registered. Years later, they changed the law and made those weapons illegal to own and made sure that all who had registered them gave them up. So yes, the intent is to disarm the American people.

          • Wayne Thorson

            Sounds all right to me. Nobody needs anything more than a 12 gauge to protect himself.

          • Bill Hartman

            You said “That’s why the NRA keep trying to push this idea through that you being a law abiding citizen will lose your right to own a gun. We live in a Democracy. This can’t happen.”

            Now you are saying that you personally want it to happen. That you are OK with the duplicity of using registration as a step toward confiscation. That the NRA’s position is exactly correct, and you are a part of the effort to make it so. Are you liberals even capable of forming an honest thought?

            And what does being a democracy have to do with it? Among “democracies” (actually, republics), only two that I know of have traditions and laws supporting civilian ownership and possession of military grade arms – the US and Switzerland. Not coincidentally, two nations which have avoided being invaded or changing governments in over 200 years.

          • Wayne Thorson

            I know this might come as a shock to you but we re-elect our this countries administration every 4 years. Your fears can only happen under a czar or king or some ruler that is in for life. When there are just many Democrats that own guns as there are Republicans why aren’t they brainwashed like you? I will tell you. The fire arms companies own the Republican party. They know they will lose gun sales if there are more stringent laws against felons owning guns. Wake up and smell the roses.

          • Bill Hartman

            No, gun ownership is not as common among Democrats as Republicans. And by what strange logic do you believe that only a czar or king or other lifetime ruler could enact a wide-spread gun ban? To the contrary, a single session of congress can make something illegal. Obamacare was opposed by a considerable majority of Americans, yet it passed. The mere fact that a majority of the population supports something doesn’t protect it.

          • Wayne Thorson

            You forgot to mention that when 91% of the American people wanted background checks on firearms sales that the Republican run congress voted it down. They were all bought out by the gun lobby. The fire arms companies own the Republican party.

          • Daniel Wright

            I proved to you that more Republicans own more firearms than Democrats but you now lie about the numbers again.You are a first class idiot Wayne. If Hillary gets in and appoints several anti-gun supreme court justices that could spell the end of the second amendment. Supreme court justices don’t have four year term limits. They are there FOR LIFE!!!!!! By the way Forrest,Obama has acted like a King using executive orders and regulations effectively bypassing congress. That IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Wayne Thorson

            Gosh I hope you are right. Hillary will do the right thing. I won’t have to fear going out at night and run into some hot shot Republican with a gun in his hand.

          • Daniel Wright

            So all those black gangsters in Chicago are Republicans?

          • Wayne Thorson

            Well of course they are all Republicans. Republicans think it is all right for felons to own firearms. What a dumb question.

          • Daniel Wright

            You don’t care how stupid you look,do you? Are you serious?

          • Wayne Thorson

            Yup.

          • Daniel Wright

            All the black gang members in Chicago are Republicans?

          • Wayne Thorson

            You said it. I didn’t.

          • Daniel Wright

            It was a question Wayne,not a statement. Questions end with these??????????????,not these………… Is that plain enough for you, Forrest Pinhead?

          • Wayne Thorson

            Barney, are you still allowed to carry that one bullet in your shirt pocket?

          • Daniel Wright

            Stupid is as stupid does……..Forrest.

          • Wayne Thorson

            Well if your still carrying that bullet in your pocket would you say that is what stupid does. I would.

          • Daniel Wright

            Yes Wayne. I would too. The fact that I don’t do something that stupid and am trained in the safe use of firearms just goes over your pointed little head. Even Forrest Gump knew how to use his weapon properly. I must apologize to that fictitious character. He is much smarter than you and he doesn’t even exist. That is a pitiful fact. You are a natural born idiot. The sad part is that you actually think you are smart. SAD.

          • Wayne Thorson

            Yes it takes a special smart person to figure out how stupid they really are. So what is your problem.

          • Daniel Wright

            That makes ZERO sense. Your problem is you are dumb as a box of rocks. My problem is that an idiot who will remain nameless.[YOU ] keep trying to out debate me. When you have a squirt gun and I have a Barrett .50 bmg. You know what the outcome will be. Still you keep coming for more. Sad.

          • Wayne Thorson

            Yup it sure sounds like a David and Goliath story to me.

          • Daniel Wright

            That proves your idiocy.

          • Wayne Thorson

            You better watch out for my sling shot. It is deadly.

          • Daniel Wright

            Your intellect certainly isn’t

          • Daniel Wright

            What gives you the right to determine what firearm another person can have? Who do you think you are,God?

          • Abel

            “Assault Weapon” is such a general term. Any weapon, including a homemade zip-gun or a hammer, that is used to assault someone is an “assault weapon.”

          • Daniel Wright

            I think that you are more likely the laughing stock of your town. Intelligent people don’t hate you, they know they are dealing with a moron and consider the source. You have much too high of an opinion of yourself. You don’t deserve it.

          • Daniel Wright

            What thought process?

        • Strider-51

          Surprise, surprise, i am not a republican nor a far far right anything. Just a free thinking American that takes his freedom seriously.

          • Wayne Thorson

            Surprise, surprise, You are a far far right Republican. My hat wouldn’t bother you if you weren’t. With a temper like yours you should check your guns at the edge of town.

          • Strider-51

            Wayne, you really do not know me. You must believe that all who support the 2nd are right wing. In that you would be wrong. Me having a temper, again you do not know me. But, if that floats your progressive boat and you need that to support your ill informed stance, i will let you live with. As the commercial states I am the NRA. When I was young I wore a couple of stetsons and a few other brands out working horses in Colorado and none of my friends had had the fear of guns that you have. Like I said its not your hat, its the flotsam under it.
            Semper Fi

          • Wayne Thorson

            I have no fear of guns. Only when they are in the hands of felons. I have a lot of friends that own guns. I know there just as many Democrats that own guns as there are Republicans. They haven’t been brainwashed into believing someone is going to take their guns away from them. The fire arms companies own the Republican party. That’s why the NRA keep trying to push this idea through that you being a law abiding citizen will lose your right to own a gun. We live in a Democracy. This can’t happen.

          • Strider-51

            Wayne, look your probable an ok guy but you really are a tool for the progressive left wing. And a very ill informed one at that. Last year obama through the ATF tried to outlaw 223 ammunition. It was not done through congress, it was done through rules by the ATF. You may not know but 223 is the most common long rifle ammunition. Hillery has said that gun confiscation as in Australia is something she would like to look into when she gets elected.
            So Wayne give it a rest until you get better informed about the subject. Have a friend take you to a range so you have a little knowledge about guns. Read the constitution. Look at the CDC studies and others. Come back when you are not such an uninformed tool for far far progressive left.
            Semper Fi

          • Wayne Thorson

            It is obvious you get all your information off of far far right Republican blogs. They have brainwashed a lot of weak minded Republican voters that don’t have enough common sense to figure stuff out for themselves.

          • Strider-51

            Wayne, now i’m brainwashed and weak minded and republican and have no common sense? You assume to much and you do know what’s is said about that. You do not know me….. as i have said i believe in the Constitution and in the bill of rights. For that I have to suffer your abuse? Really! I think not. But, I guess that is what is to be expected from folks of your ilk.
            Put it bed there wayne . You can’t win this one.
            Semper Fi

          • Wayne Thorson

            Okay, if it makes you feel better about yourself. You win.

          • Strider-51

            Wayne, I felt good about myself long before you came on the scene and Think of it, I did not need your permission.
            Semper Fi

          • Wayne Thorson

            Well you got it. And you are welcome.

          • Daniel Wright

            He won because he was right. For a 70ish man you sure act like a child.

          • Abel

            Strider-51: Wayne is like a child; you can tell them, but can’t tell them much. You’ve done a fine job of trying, but there is little that can be accomplished when you argue with the uninformed; it just gives him more to spew about and his catharsis is going nowhere. Good night, have a good sleep.

          • Daniel Wright

            It’s obvious that you are the brainwashed one.

          • Abel

            Amen!

          • Abel

            We live in a democratic Republic, and considering what is running the country it damn sure can happen! Try thinking, for a change.

          • Wayne Thorson

            Yea, some gut by the name of Trump is running for president and there is a fool born every minute. And these fools eventually grow up to vote. Just look at all the fools supporting Trump.

          • Daniel Wright

            It’s a pity an idiot like you can vote.

          • Abel

            The hat doesn’t really fit you. Try a hoodie.

          • Daniel Wright

            Wayne thinks Zimmerman stalked and murdered Trayvon.

          • Daniel Wright

            You make the stupidest comments in the history of the internet.

          • Abel

            I’m not a far right anything either, just a conservative nationalist, but I’m a US citizen. I respect you as an American and hope you are either a US citizen or want to be one. We need folks like you.

          • Strider-51

            Tks,Abel. I am a US citizen as all my ancestors have been since 1776. My family has supported every conflict (war) with spent blood this country has been part of. Sorry, I felt like bragging please excuse me.
            SEMPER FI

        • Cleverfun

          By “far right Republicans” do you mean people who have sworn an oath to serve & protect the United States Constitution & the Bill of Rights or even better, be willing to give their own lives so the rest of you can live in Freedom?

          I guess that I am a “far right Republican” while at the same time, I am very ashamed of the horrible job that the US Congress is doing…

          The American people are good people and give a lot to the rest of the world… it’s the politicians doing the harm so lets have a conversation about term limits.

          #AMERICANSFORTERMLIMITS

    • Cleverfun

      Our Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing Wayno and that’s why it’s understood that the average American Citizen is entitled to have “Civilian Versions” of US Military Weapons… that’s why it is the way it is now except occasionally, some dumb azz uses a weapon of such to harm a multiple amount of people.

      I’m 50 and when I was a kid, nobody and I mean nobody did that so why now? We also didn’t have the extreme violence in movies and violent video games plus our teachers read us verses from the Bible every day.

      One of those verses was, “Thou Shalt Not Kill”… amazing how well it worked back then but the same Bleeding-Heart Liberals that took that away from us wanna disarm us too!

      • The Rev.

        Thy shall not kill is in many old bibles, but the word kill has been taken out and replaced with MURDER, ASSINATE, AND HOMOCIDE. It means that we can not ever kill something to eat. God send armies out, We could not defend our self either.. Taking a life is pulling your salvation on the line judgement day. Your right Liberals just read the bible to use it against us, but not for there own personal life. “too bad” I am in NRA, and pulled 6 years of service. .

        • Wayne Thorson

          There is no doubt all 3 in the picture are far far right Republicans. Look at that smug look on their faces.

          • Cleverfun

            That’s funny Wayno, and speaking of “stooges”, how long have you been a stooge for the Libtards?

            My other question is how does it feel having your leading Democrat for POTUS (and the Clinton Foundation) under investigation by well-over 150 FBI Agents? Can anyone say R.I.C.O.

            The shame must be unbearable… and oh, check out my new Avatar… I can see the future!

          • Wayne Thorson

            They are investigating the wrong people. They should be investigating the George W. Bush administration. Telling the American people that he had inside information Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Everyone knows what this false information cost this country. I don’t even have to talk about it.

          • Cleverfun

            For once Wayno, I agree with you… the whole thing was a scam just like 9/11

      • Wayne Thorson

        Yep, it just goes to show you. We have to go back to the olden days and make everybody check their guns at the edge of town.

    • Bill Hartman

      What a misleading load of crap. “Machine gun type weapons that we have now” are not (with rare exceptions) in civilian hands. Implying that semi-auto weapons are “machine gun type” is a dishonest manipulation of the truth. Fortunately, few people are fooled by such statements any more. Four six shooters could (and still can) “take out 20 people in less than a minute”. Check your guns as the edge of town? Huh? What, they maintained a booth at each end of town 24 hours a day? You really believe that the typical Old West town was a gun-free zone? Some taverns were gun-free, as are some today.

      • Wayne Thorson

        It’s a good thing we have laws protecting us from gunslingers like you. Don’t take your guns to town son.

        • Abel

          Laws don’t protect you from gunslingers, gunslingers don’t obey laws; guns don’t kill people, people do. With the increase of “Road Rage” should we ban cars? Cars don’t kill people, people with road rage kill people. Car salesmen push car sales to whoever has the cash, no background check or even a drivers license check, so why do we worry so much about gun shops selling guns? You have about a 9000 times better chance of being killed by a medical procedure than a gun, should we ban doctors? Get things in perspective.

          • Wayne Thorson

            No one gets in their car with the intention of killing someone. They are called accidents. Why don’t you think of something original to say. Every thing you say has been heard before. By the way if those people didn’t have a gun in their hand they wouldn’t commit murder. It just makes it so much easier to do because they are lazy. Most all of them have a power control problem. Put a gun in their hand and it makes them feel like a real big man.

          • Daniel Wright

            So you think that only guns are used in murders? You are the one parroting Democrat talking points. You haven’t had an original thought since you became a Democrat. I see that you think that Guns somehow turn ordinary people into mad killers. If that were true the population of the US would be zero. Get a brain. You are a monumental idiot!!!

          • Wayne Thorson

            You accuse me of thinking that guns somehow turn ordinary people into mad killers. I have said there just as many Democrats that own guns as there are Republicans. So it is only Republicans that gets turned into mad killers. Democrats have more sense and don’t get that superior feeling with a gun in their hand. Makes sense to me. I spent 20 years in the service so you can have your stupid ideas. You are welcome.

          • Daniel Wright

            First you are wrong. More Republicans own guns than Democrats. That is a FACT!! You just said that Republicans are turned into mad killers by their guns. I didn’t accuse you of saying it. I pointed out that fact.If I addressed you as Wayne Thorson would that offend you? Lastly,what does being a truck driver in the air force have to do with firearms? You already said that you don’t have a gun. I have had several firearms over the years. I have never fired a shot at another human. You insist that I am a typical Republican,[I’m not]. Why isn’t a mad killer like me in prison? Shouldn’t I have several murders under my belt? IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Wayne Thorson

            Before I retired I owned an antique mall. I bought and sold several guns. I feel fortunate that none of those guns were used in any felony that I know of. I wonder what the guy that sold Zimmerman his gun feels like now. I can’t believe that murderer is going free. There must have been all Republicans on that jury. Traven Marten sure didn’t get no justice there. Zimmerman is a good example of why we should have background checks on all purchases of guns. He shouldn’t be allowed to own a gun again. I bet he is a Republican. What do you think?

          • Daniel Wright

            What do I think? I think you are a brainwashed lemming that refuses to see both sides of any story the media spoon feeds you. A lemming that will follow the Democrats over the cliff to oblivion.

          • Wayne Thorson

            No you are wrong again. Zimmerman stalked Travon. When Travon had had enough of this stalker he confronted him and they went to blows. Zimmerman was getting the worst end of the fight so he pulled out his gun and shot Travon. Travon just left his apartment to go to the drug store. Zimmerman left his apartment with his gun looking for trouble. Zimmerman keeps getting in the news being the bully type person that he is. Beating up his wife and father in law ect.

          • Daniel Wright

            What idiot did you get that horsehit from. Trayvon {not Travon] was in Zimmerman’s neighborhood casing apartments and got caught. Zimmerman was a known member of ths lical neiborhood watch. He had a legal registered firearm. You are a mental case at best. A useful idiot parroting the left’s lies. Do some research for a change, or are you just too fucking lazy??

          • Wayne Thorson

            Do you watch the news? Zimmerman has been in the news for beating up his wife and father in law. He thinks he is above the law. Just like a lot of Republicans. He is what anyone with common sense would call a bully. He is going to hurt someone again. It’s in his genes.

          • Daniel Wright

            That doesn’t make him a murderer. Bully’s are what Bill and Hillary sicked on Bills victims but that’s OK with you. After all,They’re Democrats and ALL Democrats are above the law,right?

          • Wayne Thorson

            Bullies like you and Zimmerman all stick together and pick on smaller guys. You think you are impressing other people but your not. It just makes you feel big. Just like you, you think it makes you feel big by carrying that firearm.

          • Daniel Wright

            I have never been a bully. I actually was the victim of bullies in school. I hate bullies. Bill and Hillary hired professional bullies to harass Bill’s victims. I don’t carry My weapons Forrest,they are for home protection against the bullies you love.

          • Wayne Thorson

            If you weren’t a bully you wouldn’t be sticking up for Zimmerman. You would show some compassion for Travon.

          • Daniel Wright

            I’m not sticking up for anyone. I am merely informing you of the facts. Zimmerman was acquitted by a jury who knew those facts. Even a black woman on that jury admitted that his guilt couldn’t be proven by the prosecution.She believes he got away with murder but strangely voted for acquittal. The proof is here in the LEFT WING DEMOCRAT rag,the Huffington post. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/george-zimmerman-trial-juror-b29_n_3654183.html

          • Wayne Thorson

            Yup you far right Republicans sure know how to stand your ground. I can’t believe a jury of obviously weak minded Republicans actually fell for that. And like you don’t even have any sympathy for that 16 year old kid that just left his house to go to the drug store and back and not looking for trouble. It takes a bully type mind to think like this. Zimmerman on the other hand left his home with a gun in his pocket just looking for trouble. He stalked a black 16 year old boy and confronted him. He found out he bit off more than he could chew and shot that 16 year old kid. Travon didn’t have a gun so he couldn’t stand his ground. Now he is under it.

          • Daniel Wright

            Now you try to depict Trayvon,[you misspelled his name again],as a child. He was an experienced street fighter and known criminal. He was seventeen,not sixteen and outweighed and towered over Zimmerman. He thought his fighting ability would prevail over the smaller Zimmerman. If he were a little stronger he may have been the killer. If you would pay attention to these details you would know the truth but then again Forrest Gump is a mental giant compared to you. Maybe you just can’t help it. In order to read the news you must be able to read. PS :if you really cared about the dead crook you would at least try to spell his name correctly. I don’t believe you really give a shit about him or you would at least do him that simple courtesy.

          • Wayne Thorson

            For someone like you that denies that you are a bully you sure keep talking like one. All the nit picking you do about my spelling ect. shows what a bully type person you. Zimmerman is a proven bully and you stick up for him. Bullies stick up for each other. So you can keep standing your ground Barney.

          • Daniel Wright

            Pointing out your lack of education is me trying to help you. There are remedial English courses in every city. I’m not the one disrespecting Martin.you are the one too lazy to learn to spell his name. As for bullies have you ever heard of Jack Palladino? Look him up.http://1984arkansasmotheroftheyear.blogspot.com/2012/02/hillary-jack-palladino-and-terror.html

          • Wayne Thorson

            Barnet, I have dealt with bullies all my life. I don’t need to have someone point out to me what a bully is. Anyone who takes Zimmerman’s side is a bully. Bullies have no compassion for the victim. Trayvon was the victim in this matter.

          • Daniel Wright

            He was the one beating someone to death. The jury doesn’t agree with you. Are they bullies too?

    • Daniel Wright

      And your point is?

  • CharlieSeattle

    When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!

    • Cleverfun

      Lots of Outlaws have guns… it’s called, “Chicago”

      • CharlieSeattle

        Chicago, where is that?

        Do you mean …ChIraq or ChiCongo?

        • Cleverfun

          I’m pretty sure Chicago is in Illinois… maybe you should “Google” it!

          • CharlieSeattle

            Is it in ISISnois?

          • Cleverfun

            That’s funny considering that’s where the Big “O” got his political start!!!

      • robert sanders

        and los angelas, new Orleans, Nashville, ohio Kentucky , tenn. , texas, wash. I think everyone has outlaws in there cities state towns . you learning anything

        • Cleverfun

          Yes I have… ISIS tried pulling their s#i* in Ft. Worth during a “Draw Mohamed” contest… the bad guys had AK-47’s (probably donated by Fast & Furious) and the Texas Deputy had a 45… the bad guys had a very bad day that day and got to go to Mecca.

          #DONTMESSWITHTEXAS

          • Daniel Wright

            They went to Saudi Arabia?

  • millerstwo

    Bottom line is that our very wise Forefathers thought enough of our RIGHT as American citizens to “keep and bear arms” that they actually made it the 2nd amendment not the 3rd, 4th or 5th but the 2nd amendment only after our basic rights of freedoms of speech, religion and the press.
    The dolt Marxist Dumpocraps would want us law abiding hard working citizens defenseless against the criminals who could care less about gun laws as they have probably obtained their guns illegally anyway! Or perhaps the ‘MARXIST’ Dumpocraps want us defenseless for more sinister reasons maybe the same reasons that Hitler, Mao and Stalin took guns from the hands of their citizens prior to the complete loss of their freedoms!
    Judging by the so called leadership ‘ruling’ America today consisting mostly of lying hypocritical Marxists and Muslim traitors I’m holding on to my guns!!!!!!

  • Marilynn Reeves

    Our society has come to point that we must go back to the ways of the Old West.Thanks for the Change Obummer.

  • ADRoberts

    “Pounding on the door.” Yes, the only thing that made it the wrong door was the awareness that they were about to DIE.
    Two things prevent violence.
    1 God taking control of a wicked life.
    2 Surety of death if you continue to attack and harrass.

  • McFerguson

    Notice how polite the door-knockers were when they saw that Mr. Parsons was armed. Proving once again that “an armed society is a polite society.”

  • bobnstuff

    If more guns really make the country safer why does the NRA try to stop the CDC from studying it. If the NRA had faith in the statement they would be pushing for real studies on the subject of gun safety instead of just using folklore. We do know that countries with less guns have fewer gun deaths. It looks like most gun deaths are in fact mental health issues. I’m a gun owner but I really don’t want the crazy guy down the road to have a machine gun.

    Also why is it the gun rights people working so hard to make people fear their own government that they elect. It’s not the government that is shooting people, This is our government they want you to fear, the guys you get to pick but they want you to trust them even though you have no control of them and they are getting rich off your fear. Think about it.

    • Larry

      You sure ask the dumbest questions. Look around, open your eyes, the government is the problem along with their henchmen. Who you elect is not what you were promised, and they should be working for the people,but we are getting stomped on and they get rich. If you knew what you think you know, you would realize you don’t know anything.

      • bobnstuff

        You know I have looked around and keep looking for those henchmen you talk about. Who are you talking about? Have you had a lot of dealings with the government? I have and I can’t say I have ever fealty stomped on and in fact I feel I have been treated very nicely, even when I was in the wrong. Open your eyes and stop believing the myths. Obama is coming for your guns but hasn’t taken one yet.

        • Larry

          Yes I have been around the government as a Probation and Parole officer and reserve Police officer and seen how the politicians go into office with meager financial balances and come out very wealthy. Why do these people spend millions of $ for a small salary and then (like Hillary plead her self as poor and sometimes living on limited money) The administration is crooked and our fore fathers of the constitution saw this greed possible and gave us the second amendment to protect us from all these people who know whats best for us and we don’t know anything.

          • bobnstuff

            You have been around government, first hand knowledge, things you saw not what people have said they saw, but first hand knowledge, what kind of government do we have and what are the people who do the real work like. From you description you yourself are part of the evil system and should be feared since you are the one coming to get me. Should I fear you? If some fool in Washington said to come collect everyones guns would you or your co-workers do it?

            I have read a great deal of the history of our founding fathers and protecting us from greed was not something they were involved in since one of the big reasons for the revolution was the greed of our founders.

        • Strider-51

          Bob, you have led a truely remarkable life! Surprising you made it this far with those blinders on. You probably don’t know what blinders are, look em up (hint, they are for horses and ass’s).

    • Old goat

      You are so full of ——-! There are a myriad of studies to back this statement up and this does not even consider common sense. Yes it is common sense that an armed society is a polite society.

      • bobnstuff

        So you say but have you ever seen one, a real study not just a bunch of stories. I haven’t. Common sense says a armed society is one that has no problem shooting each other. Chicago is an armed city, see how polite they are to each other.

        • Retired

          Most of your shootings in Chitcago are done by under age gang bangers. Your CDC study would be so lopsided , that it would be beyond belief.

          • bobnstuff

            A CDC study would most likely come to the same conclusion that many studies after Sandy Hook that Mental illness is the real problem and you need to find a way to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. Guns are the real problem but as long as groups like the NRA fight to stop studies you will never know it. Information make us free and ANY group that tries to stop the search for facts should be questioned as to motive.

          • Retired

            It takes some one to pull the trigger, the guns do not shoot by themselves. It’s nut cases like you that does not understand that.

          • bobnstuff

            I agree it take a finger to shoot. From what I understand over 60% of those fingers belong to the mentally ill. How do we keep those people from killing themselves and their loved ones. You are in more danger from your family then from strangers. What can be done to save those lives?

          • Climax

            Its called population control, Darwin theory of evolution, survival of the fittest, what ever you want to call it.

          • bobnstuff

            I guess that you believe that we should just let people die. I sure hope I’m on the side of the fittest.

          • Retired

            Most states have laws preventing nut cases from owning guns, and those that have used guns to kill were not their own. your 60% is off the wall figure.

          • bobnstuff

            Over 60% of all gun deaths are suicides, sane people don’t shoot themselves. Another number of gun deaths are family members shoot each other. I think shooting your wife is pretty crazy but who am I to say. The HEPA laws keep the mentally ill from ending on the no buy list plus you can still get a gun without a back ground check in most places in our country.

          • Retired

            The only way to get a gun would be steeling one. You are way outdated on gun laws just like your 60%. Gang bangers get their guns illegal through straw buyers and not from gun shows. Are you a DemoRAT ????

          • bobnstuff

            62% of all gun deaths are suicides. I can get any type of gun I want without a back ground check, legally. You still can buy from private owners. http://smartgunlaws.org/universal-gun-background-checks-policy-summary/
            I’m an ex ward chairman in the republican party.

          • Retired

            You sound more like a democrat with your gun law push than a republican??

          • Strider-51

            A republican ward chairman in Chicago would be called a liberal in any other part of the country.

          • robert sanders

            that means he sweeps the floors

          • Strider-51

            Bob, you state that sane people do not commit suicide. Get real. Your ignorance is truely mind boggling.

          • Roger

            If a person has a mental problem, a family member or someone close to that person knows and that is where the help has to begin! If people continue to not want to get involved, damned few problems are going to get solved!

          • Strider-51

            Where did you get the 60% there bob. Out of your ass?

          • Roger

            Right and someone with an actual brain would come to the conclusion that gun free zones invite shootings like Sandy Hook! Every mass shooting that I ever heard about, took place in a gun free zone! Even the Ft. Hood shootings were in gun free zones at least to this effect! I was in the Army, albeit a long time ago but I see no reason why the procedure for firearms to be different now than it was then. Military rifle were placed in a rack that was locked and only the platoon leader had a key. Personal weapons were supposed to be stored in the arms room and could be checked out when leaving the post and were supposed to be checked in on return, of course this didn’t always prevent shootings! I can recall one incident when I was stationed at Ft. Rucker, Alabama, one of my room mates checked his personal weapon out and on return he did not check it in and was able to get it into the barracks in a binocular case and he used that pistol to kill another room mate. I only mention is in case someone else was at Ft. Rucker during the early ’60s. If so I would like to hear from you, especially if you were one of the guys that got to wash, strip and repaint the 105’s everyday!

        • Snoopy

          And yet, Chicago has some of the most strick gun laws in the country.
          Chicago, NYC and D.C. have the most strict gun laws in teh country AND the highest crime rates. Go figure!

          • bobnstuff

            Not any more. but even when they did the suburbs did have those same laws and there were two gun shops providing most of the guns to the city. Here you also have one of the myths. NYC is safer then most cities.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_%282014%29

          • Snoopy

            If you wish to believe that, be my guest. What I left there I made sure there was nothing I would EVER have to go back for!

          • The Rev.

            Nations with strict gun laws have the highest crime and terrorist attacks..See: England, Mexico, all of Latin America…All controlled by the Mafia with guns.
            They took God out the this Nation. See the results.

          • Snoopy

            Rev – If ya wanna compare FOREIGN countries, I think it is Sweden where the government actually issues a weapon to their citizenry at the age of 18 and then gives them lessons on maintenance and use. THAT country boasts the LOWEST crime rate IN THE WORLD!!!

        • Roger

          You don’t need studies, what are they anyway but another story! All one needs to do is open their eyes and remain vigilant! Tell me sir, if you opened your door and there was a person there with a gun aimed at your belly, what would enhance your chance of survival? A gun in your hand or an empty hand?

          • bobnstuff

            If I was stupid enough to open my door to someone with a gun I would deserve what I got but since it’s not likely I don’t think I will live in fear. I don’t know were you folks live but I’m sure glad I’m not there. Why would you choose to live in a place that you need to be armed?

        • Strider-51

          Again, you show your ignorance. With Chicago’s gun restrictions it is difficult to carry and not break the law. For that reason i do not go into the city anymore. My tax dollars go someplace else that is gun friendly.

          • bobnstuff

            Why not just go someplace were the people are friendly so you don’t need a gun?

          • Strider-51

            Bob, are you really that nieve. Our society is much more complicated than you seem to think. Hard to believe you were a ward chairman in Chicago. You have fallen for that eutopia on earth BS. Evil does exist and always has since Eve and the apple. And you will never legislate evil away. I have confronted evil in my lifetime more than once, prepared and unprepared. I will never be unprepared again. Situational awareness at all time and one in the chamber. Really are you that sheltered.

          • bobnstuff

            What makes you believe I’m from Chicago. I live in Western Pa. I have traveled to Chicago, lots of good people there just like New York City. Many people here seem to only see the bad in things, I choose to look for the good and find it. I fear no evil and get along well everywhere I go. I need no gun to protect me and fell sorry for those that are in places that they feel a need for one. Not once here have I said anything about taking anyone’s gun but the Gun lovers are so much in fear that they seem to attack anyone how even brings up the idea of limits on gun ownership. Back before the takeover by the gun companies the NRA supported common sense gun laws.

            In my family , between my brothers and our children there are at least a hundred guns but as far as I know only my niece’s husband has ever had a back ground check to buy one, he’s a cop. I still find the idea that more guns make for a safer world, Does more cars make the road safer? I don’t believe just everyone should have a gun, my one daughter should never be allowed one, she would shoot someone for sure.

            I don’t own a hand gun, I see no reason for one, I’m not a good shot with one and find then to be the most likely weapon for someone to get hurt by. If you want to defend your home a 12 gauge is far better.

            I’m not anti gun. I’m anti stupid people with guns, one of the reasons I teach my children to shot is so I know they understand gun safety. One day when my son was almost twelve I went to pick him up at a friends house and sitting on the table was a loaded hand gun. The kids dad had left it there. He had gone out somewhere and left two boys with a loaded gun. My son was never aloud to visit that house again. Stupid people with guns.

        • MoonBeamWatcher

          Detroit just made it EASY to secure a Conceiled Carry Permit and CRIME IS PLUMITING DOWNWARDS!
          If you haven’t been CONVICTED in the past five years of a VIOLENT crime . . . LOCK and LOAD.

        • Donnie Buchanan

          If you leave Detroit, DC, New York, and Chicago out of gun crime statistics, we would almost have no crimes. Now, bob on that and stuff it. You don’t have to have a gun but I choose to and mine have never hurt anyone.

          • bobnstuff

            I have a few guns. My Dad taught me to shoot when I was twelve, I taught my son to shoot when he was twelve and next year my grandson will learn to shoot since he will be twelve. I shoot a group you can cover with a half dollar. My grandson wanted a wooden gun to play army with but it had to be a Springfield Carbine. It turned out pretty good so now he wants me to build an M1 Grand. That being said I still question the idea that more guns make us safer. Your post leads me to believe that you haven’t checked your facts. You top list is wrong. New York isn’t that bad these days. It’s not in the top ten.

        • Michael

          Now that is funny bobnstuff, you talking about common sense!

      • robert sanders

        the problem with bobnstuff is that hes a wimp who has never been in the military service. He thinks it is ok for some bad guy to go up to someone and kill them with out any kind of defense weapon.

      • GenEarly

        Just be armed and ready, Mr Goat. Time for debate is about over, steady and fire when they attack. Not to worry over that, Tyranny will attack, they can’t help it, always have, always will. God bless, CYA.

    • McFerguson

      I have thought about it. I conclude that the 2nd Amendment gives me the right to own a gun for my personal protection. The SCOTUS decision in Washington v Heller affirmed the meaning of the 2nd Amendment just a few years ago. That wording, according to the Constitution itself, shall not be infringed. And nobody in the United States, unless specifically authorized, can own a “machine gun,” meaning a fully automatic weapon that sprays bullets as long as the trigger is depressed. And if the CDC really wanted to study the issue of gun deaths, the NRA couldn’t stop them. John Lott, an economics professor and author, has done studies on the issue and found that more guns in the arms of responsible citizens mean less deaths, not more. It seems to me you’re just a liberal gun-owner with a guilt complex. Get over it…

      • bobnstuff

        So you do support limited gun control. A young man down the road from me who now is in jail had a AK 47 that was converted to fully automatic with little work. I’m told it isn’t hard to do.

        You are wrong about the NRA trying to stop the CDC. They have worked to block all collection of information for any reason on guns by the CDC.

        • CharlieSeattle

          False! One CDC study was completed.

          • bobnstuff

            Limiting the sale of automatic and simi-automatic weapons that can be converted to automatic as well as cop killer bullets would make seem reasonable to me.

          • robert sanders

            simi. you cant even spell right.

        • McFerguson

          Every right has some restrictions. For example, one cannot yell “Fire” in a crowded movie theatre. It’s common knowledge and it’s also common sense.

          So how did John Lott collect all that statistical data? You’re trying to tell me that the NRA, a private organization, can completely stand in the way of the Center for Disease Control (CDC), a powerful Federal Government Agency that draws its money from a government appropriation? If CDC was unable to collect the data, it’s probably because Congress stopped them from spending the money on such a futile task, not because of the NRA efforts. I think your information is bogus. Besides, the NRA is as impotent against the CDC as Obama is against ISIS.

    • Climax

      CDC, do you even know what that stands for?

      • bobnstuff

        Do you understand that a mental health problem is a disease and fall under the Center for Disease Control as well as the National Institute of Health. People are dying. guns are the tool used to cause those deaths. Should we not try to find a way to reduce those deaths?

        • snl

          Well, I do wish they’d come and remove your guns.

          • robert sanders

            that will be the day, PILGRIM.

          • Strider-51

            Well said snl. He seems to be the exact type that should not have a gun. Untrained and uninformed.

        • Burtucus

          So we should outlaw knives, scissors, ropes, razor blades, hammers, baseball bats because all have been used to kill someone or commit suicide. oh, lets not forget anti-freeze and any other poisons in your kitchen cabinet.

        • robert sanders

          I thought they were going to analyze knifes that kill people. oh no , I didn’t know they were after guns that kill people. How about cars, telephone polls that might fall on you, metorites, space junk. dangerous stuff.

        • Strider-51

          Do you really think that taking guns away will end the deaths? Some other “tool” would replace it. Where do you stop outlawing “tools”, hammers, knives, broken bottles ? Do you really think taking guns away will end the killing spree in Chicago? Prohibition worked real fine there did it not! Wake the hell up.

        • Climax

          There are already laws in the books that call for not allowing mentally imbalanced people from owning or having guns.

    • CharlieSeattle

      Not true! One CDC study was completed.

      CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama
      by Kyle Wintersteen | August 27th, 2013

      http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/cdc-gun-research-backfires-on-obama/

      what does the CDC’s first major gun research in 17 years reveal? Not exactly what Obama and anti-gun advocates expected. In fact, you might say Obama’s plan backfired.

      Here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” released in June:

      1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:

      “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

      2. Defensive uses of guns are common:

      “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

      3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:

      “The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

      4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:

      “Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

      5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:

      “There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

      6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:

      “More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

      7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:

      “Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

      Why No One Has Heard This

      Given the CDC’s prior track record on guns, you may be surprised by the extent with which the new research refutes some of the anti-gun movement’s deepest convictions.

      What are opponents of the Second Amendment doing about the new data? Perhaps predictably, they’re ignoring it. President Obama, Michael Bloomberg and the Brady Campaign remain silent. Most suspicious of all, the various media outlets that so eagerly anticipated the CDC research are looking the other way as well. One must wonder how media coverage of the CDC report may have differed, had the research more closely fit an anti-gun narrative.

      Even worse, the few mainstream journalists who did report the CDC’s findings chose to cherry-pick from the data. Most, like NBC News, reported exclusively on the finding that gun suicides are up. Largely lost in that discussion is the fact that the overall rate of suicide—regardless of whether a gun is involved or not—is also up.

    • CharlieSeattle

      Not true! One CDC study was completed.

      Tuesday, 09 July 2013

      CDC Study Ordered by Obama Contradicts White House Anti-gun Narrative

      Written by Bob Adelmann

      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15941-cdc-study-ordered-by-obama-contradicts-white-house-anti-gun-narrative

      Obama had announced at the beginning of the year his push for three major gun control initiatives — universal background checks, a ban on “assault weapons,” and a ban on “high-capacity” magazines — to prevent future mass shootings, no doubt hoping that the CDC study would oblige him by providing evidence that additional gun control measures were justified to reduce gun violence. On the contrary, that study refuted nearly all the standard anti-gun narrative and instead supported many of the positions taken by gun ownership supporters.

      For example, the majority of gun-related deaths between 2000 and 2010 were due to suicide and not criminal violence:

      Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.

      In addition, defensive use of guns “is a common occurrence,” according to the study:

      Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.

      Accidental deaths due to firearms has continued to fall as well, with “the number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents account[ing] for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

      Furthermore, the key finding the president was no doubt seeking — that more laws would result in less crime — was missing. The study said that “interventions,” such as background checks and restrictions on firearms and increased penalties for illegal gun use, showed “mixed” results, while “turn-in” programs “are ineffective” in reducing crime. The study noted that most criminals obtained their guns in the underground economy — from friends, family members, or gang members — well outside any influence from gun controls on legitimate gun owners.

      Also, the report noted that mass shootings such as the one in Newtown, Connecticut, have declined and “account for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths.”

      • bobnstuff

        Thanks for the link, I will read it tonight, I have looked for this but I must have missed it. Thank you.

        • CharlieSeattle

          It disproves all your BS!

          • bobnstuff

            I already said thank you for the link.

        • CharlieSeattle

          CORRECTION:

          You looked for this but must have IGNORED it, to keep facts from disproving your BS!

          • bobnstuff

            Why are you being this way? I said I looked and didn’t see it and thanked you for the link. It’s this kind of thing that makes the reasonable people in this debate look bad. Should I look at all people who are anti gun control as jerks? People are dying from gun shoots. How do we stop the deaths?

          • CharlieSeattle

            I read all your BS, that’s why!

          • Strider-51

            Look in the mirror, the jerk is looking back at you.

        • Strider-51

          Got to take those blinders off Bob and bring a little light in.

    • Strider-51

      I cannot believe you own a gun, you know so little about them. I bet you have clips too.

    • Michael

      “It’s not the government that is shooting people, This is our government they want you to fear, the guys you get to pick”

      WELL LET US SEE ABOUT GOVERNMENTS NOT SHOOTING PEOPLE

      More people have been killed in the 20th Century by their own
      governments than by all wars combined.

      Mass-murderer Pol Pot, who was run to ground some time ago in the remote jungle of northern Cambodia, was the leader of the notorious Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot ordered the killing of at least one million ‘class enemies’ in the Cambodian Killing Fields. THOSE PEOPLE DIDN’T HAVE GUNS!

      Under Lenin and Stalin, the Soviet government became the greatest
      mass-murderer in history. Lenin’s collectivization and purges of 1921-1922 caused 4 million deaths. In 1932, Stalin ordered the Ukraine starved to enforce collectivization and crush Ukrainian nationalism. At least 8 million Ukrainians were murdered. Others
      resorted to cannibalism. NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HAD GUNS!

      From 1917 to Stalin’s death in 1953, the Soviet Union, worshipped by leftists around the world as the acme of human political accomplishment, shot, tortured, beat, froze or starved to death at least 40 million of its people. Some Russian historians
      claim the true figure is even higher. THOSE PEOPLE DIDN’T HAD GUNS!

      In an ugly spasm of deja-vu, Russian troops slaughtered 80,000 Chechen civilians in the 1990’s. THOSE PEOPLE DIDN’T HAVE GUNS!

      In China, Mao Zedong had 2 million ‘class enemies’ shot
      when the communists took control. Another million Tibetans and Turkestani Muslims were ‘liquidated’ from 1950-1975. During Mao’s crazy Great Leap Forward, in which China’s farmers were collectivized en masse, an estimated 30 million or more people starved to death. Another two million are said to have been killed in Mao’s Cultural Revolution.Total: 35 million dead. THOSE PEOPLE DID NOT HAVE GUNS!

      Hitler was responsible for the deaths of 12 million civilians, half of
      them Jews. The Nazis exterminated people because of race; the communists because of class or nationality. Hitler killed with gas; Stalin with bullets, cold, and hunger. THOSE PEOPLE DIDN’T HAVE GUNS!

      Some two million German civilians were killed in 1945, and at least
      200,000 died in communist concentration camps from 1945-1953. The victorious Allies handed back 2 million anti-communist Soviet citizens to Stalin in 1945: he had half shot, and the rest sent to Arctic death camps. THOSE PEOPLE HAD THEIR GUNS TAKEN FROM THEM SO THEY COULD BE ELIMINATED!

      During World War I, the Ottoman Empire slaughtered or starved up to 2 million Armenians, the first great genocide of the new century, BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T HAVE GUNS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

      There are many other examples. But just the figures cited above amount to almost 100 million deaths this century — deaths that were not caused by war or revolution, but by the conscious decision of tyrants, politicians, or bureaucrats to murder great numbers of their own people for reasons of ideology, religion, race or land.

      100 million people murdered by governments this century; 75% by
      communist regimes — to about 38 million killed in all wars and conflicts.

      So why should we fear our government?

      “Government is, like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”
      – George Washington

      But I guess you might say that all those people weren’t shot by their governments, right bobnstuff?

      By the way I don’t want the CDC studying guns because we have enough money being wasted by our useless politicians as it is.

    • Cleverfun

      It’s not about other Countries ya goofball… the United States had a great war against Great Brittan and then there was this little document signed between the two called, “The Treaty of Paris” which was the precursor to the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution. It also defined the boundary’s of what would become, “The United States of America”.

      The United States is NOT like any other country and they have not been down the same road as other nations of which you speak. Those other nations also do not live under our Constitution that so many soldiers on battlefields both near and far gave their lives for.

      Also, who do you know that has a “machine gun” or are you full of S#iT? Machine guns are very hard to come by and I can promise you that almost no one has been killed by one in a very long time.

      Finally, as far as “fearing the Government” goes, A certain amount of fear is a good thing; besides they give the American people lots of reasons to fear them… If you cannot figure this out my friend, please crawl back into the hole of which you sprang

      .

      • bobnstuff

        The gun belongs to a young man who is now in jail again, 5 to 10 this time. His nice neighbor the gunsmith took his semi and made it fully automatic. He will not be coming back since they sold the house. It’s not the AK 47’s or the AR 15’s that are the problem. It’s your basic hand gun that does the most carnage. People don’t kill themselves with long guns much. Where did all those hand guns come from? They were legal once but somehow they got into the wrong hands. We have laws but they are very hard to enforce.

        I have read a lot of history and the view of what the second amendment is interesting. There have been surprisingly few cases in the SCOUS involving it. It wasn’t that long ago that most people believed it meant that we need a non professional military, a citizen army and that the government could not disarm them. For the first few years of our country this was the case. The first use of the militia was the Whiskey Rebellion, by the time they got to Pittsburgh it was over. By the War of 1812 we had a standing army.

        If you fear our government there is a pretty good chance you are trying to do something that is not on the up and up or you have been told that they are to fear so many times you believe it. I don’t fear the government, I obey the law and pay my taxes. I also know just how few people there are to enforce the rules. The only reason our system work is because people choose not to break the rules, there are not enough police or military to make the country do anything that the majority doesn’t believe in. We can’t stop people from doing drugs. we can’t enforce the gun laws. It’s the social contract theory of government. John Locke theory of how the government works. He also gave us “Life, Liberty and Property” and the base of our constitution. As long as enough people believe in the government it will stand but when enough people are convinced that they should fear our government it will fail. There are people in our country that are trying to bring down our country from with in and it looks like they are succeeding. You should be more afraid of our government failing them of it doing something to you.

  • Sal Belardo

    It’s better to be judged by 12 then carried by six!

    • Climax

      I like that saying.

  • Daniel W

    Okay to explain this so that even a moron can understand it??? A gun in hand is worth 10 cops on the phone. When you have only seconds to live the police are only minutes away(actually your dead when they arrive) Fact.
    Here is another hereto fore unknown little tidbit: the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect US Hey wait minute, yeah I thought like everybody else that they were here to protect and serve. (REALLY;) Who is going to protect US???? take a wild assed guess???

    • Snoopy

      They usually get there just in time to write a report and arrange for someone else to clean up the mess!

    • Donnie Buchanan

      I have been saying this for a long time. The courts ruled on this a couple of years ago. They figure that if their duty is to protect, they could be sued by all whom they didn’t protect. I have never depended on any other to protect me or mine. The 2nd Amendment IS my protection.

    • Michael

      Mr. W.
      You’re right. I am a Police Officer in a major city in Texas
      and I’ll tell you flat out, even though we would love to be able to get
      there in time to save the day and take out the bad guy (after all that’s
      what we really joined the force to do, not write tickets and reports),
      it is akin to a miracle if we can. There are too few of us, to many
      calls, and invariably we are more than just a few minutes away. Most of
      the time all we can do is do a report as infuriating as that is for
      us. If a citizen wants real protection they should arm themselves,
      train to use that weapon, and familiarize themselves with the deadly
      force laws of their state. If you have to use deadly force, to protect
      yourself, or others, you still might face criminal, or civil, action
      that may cost you but as Mr. Belardo above succinctly stated, “better to
      be judged by 12 …”. I would much rather be doing a report on a
      failed robbery where the bad guy is being loaded into the ME’s van.
      Unfortunately there are some of you reading this who live in States,
      Cities, or other jurisdictions that deny you the right to self defense
      but let criminals run rampant (and of course we know criminals obey gun
      laws). To you I can only say I’m sorry and I hope you can change the
      laws that endanger you or move to a saner local. Finally, to those who
      read this and disagree due to a mawkish ideal of utopian gun control,
      all I can say is — keep thinking that when you are being robbed, raped,
      assaulted — fantasy can sometimes keep your mind off the bad things
      going on around you. Maybe it will hurt less.

      • Strider-51

        Mike, well said and i appreciate your service to your community.
        Semper Fi

        • Michael

          Thankyou Sir, and to you as well for your service to our country.

  • Raymond J Ambrozaitis

    OK Corrall !

  • regulus30

    two words;;;;;;;;;;;;;KENNESAW GEORGIA.

    • Climax

      Two more words, “It works.”

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