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ObamaCare vote throws curve into tax reform

May 7, 2017

55561344The House’s passage of legislation to repeal and replace ObamaCare has thrown a new curve into Republicans’ efforts to overhaul the tax code.

The vote, which came just a week after the White House rolled out its tax reform plan, took much of official Washington by surprise. A previous attempt to muscle through the legislation had failed in March.

Experts are mixed on what the sudden progress on ObamaCare repeal means for tax reform. While some said that House Republicans’ ability to coalesce around a bill bodes well for passage of tax legislation, others warned the Senate could get bogged down on healthcare, stalling the agenda.

“This may be one step forward, one step back,” said Sage Eastman, a lobbyist at Mehlman Castagnetti and a former senior counselor on the House Ways and Means Committee.

100 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • snowyriver says:

    Obama-Care was signed into law by someone who was in the white house against the laws of our Constitution. Thus it is an illegal law.

    1. Rattlerjake says:

      The first thing that Trump should have done when he took office was to initiate a formal investigation into Buttcrack’s birth certificate. Sheriff Arpaio did 99% of the work already and turned it over to congress who has failed to take action. If the investigation culminated in proof that Ovomit is an illegal and fraud (as we conservatives ALL know he is) then all of his orders and actions would immediately be null and void!

      Trumps second order should have been to initiate an immediate formal investigation into HilLIAR-y and Slick Willie!

      This new American Healthcare bill is not a repeal, it is an amendment to Ovomitcare, making it Ovomitcare 2.0/Trumpcare 1.0 and now shifts the blame for it’s collapse on the GOP! They are fools to pass it! Ovomitcare needs to be REPEALED in it’s entirety, or just let it collapse and then repeal it!

      1. snowyriver says:

        Good comment Jake, very good comment.

  • Roger says:

    President, Donald Trump will lead us to prosperity with no help from our former failed President! He has built a cabinet of carefully selected advisors that can only help him make America, safer, stronger, more prosperous and greater than ever before! DONALD TRUMP IS MY PRESIDENT and PRESIDENT for all AMERICANS!

    Support President Trump and the United States of America will run like a well oiled machine!
    Donald Trump will be able to lead us to prosperity with no help from our former failed President! He has built a cabinet of carefully selected advisors that can only help him make America, safer, stronger, more prosperous and greater than ever before! DONALD TRUMP IS MY PRESIDENT and PRESIDENT for all AMERICANS!

    Oh yeah and he works for uis for free!

  • CharlieSeattle says:

    The RINO’s never intended to replace Obamacare, that is why nothing was ready after 7 years.

    Hell, the RINO’s never thought Trump would be elected.

    Most of them voted for Hillary!

  • DrBillLemoine says:

    Who needs tax reform when every Republican bill, lately the AHCA ‘healthcare’ bill, throws $550 billion dollars in tax cuts to the rich. And doesn’t everybody know by now that wealthy corporations and individuals pay no where near 35% or 39% taxes? With targeted and generally available credits and deductions we already have a ‘competitive’ tax system compared to the other nations always cited by Republicans as ‘better’ than us taxwise. The Ryan passed AHCA cannot seriously be called healthcare ‘repeal’ or ‘replacement’; simply it’s a tax bill, cutting the ACA tax for healthcare (and not coincidentally important benefits for ordinary Americans) in favor of increasing premiums for very sick people while rewarding wealthy people who don’t need any tax cuts or incentive bumps.

    1. Retired says:

      Have you read the bill or are you spouting what the media is putting out ????

      1. DrBillLemoine says:

        On mainstream media, it’s the same. On the far right–who knows if you read faux facts or Russian bots??? Make your point. . . .

        1. Retired says:

          I asked you a very simple question and as usual you did not answer .Did you read the actual Bill ??? That was the point

          1. gvette says:

            LOL..remember. Bill is smarter then you. If you don’t think so, he’ll tell you!!!

          2. Retired says:

            Yup, directly off of msn -Wash. Post and NY Times . It’s funny how easy one can trap these trolls .

          3. gvette says:

            He’s still a legend in his own mind, my friend!

          4. DrBillLemoine says:

            Good thing I circled back to read your discussion of me. Actually it’s not me telling you, but the editors and/or readers of The New York Times and The Washington Post rating me high enough for badges and special pick status. If that means ‘smarter’, I’ll take it.

          5. gvette says:

            LOL…Bill, getting anything from the left wing rags, means nothing, only to you.

          6. Retired says:

            In other words you repeat what they serve you ??? Can’t think for yourself ???

          7. DrBillLemoine says:

            I can see why you aren’t familiar with a record of excellence in comments and letters published in the media by your follow up query. In conservative blog terms, I get recognition from editors and up votes from readers for my commentary on a topic on the national and international press and online blogs. It’s generally from cogent concepts and salient points put together to add substance to the topic of concern. They are rating my thinking and explication.
            On occasion conservative bloggers and I think Russian bots question my lack of ‘up votes’ on conservative blogs, but mainstream media and readers thinking and acting independently of ideology and social pressure are favorably inclined and make it known to me. Those are elite media figures and smart readers.

          8. Retired says:

            You sound just like Obama , don’t break your arm patting yourself on the Shoulder . The elites you are talking about are the OWO and Bilderberg group . The media in the free world part is controlled by a hand full of people , we no longer have a open minded media that presents facts and not fiction . A good proof of that is the Russia ties to the Election , Clintons campaign people also met with Russian ties but that is swept under the rug .

          9. DrBillLemoine says:

            When no opining, I deal with facts and that’s what I just gave you. The media you use and reference are now infamous for false news. Tell the difference to remain credible with me. The ownership IS important for news point of view, but facts and news based on them don’t change, unless spun by political operatives.
            Knowing the news media as a reporter and editor, I know that timing and access can lead to discrepancies in news, but that does not make media not ‘open minded’ and not presenting ‘facts’. You are not drilling down on news, too readily accept first reports or color your reading/viewing from partisan perspectives. You are not being detached or objective. Apply that to your Clinton vs. Trump contacts with Russia and get a new understanding of reality.

          10. Retired says:

            Why doesn’t the honest media talk about the Clinton’s ties to the Communist as well as money laundered from them to the Foundation . Why was the Panama Papers hushed up as to all the people that were involved that had money down there ???? Panama City has turned into the largest banking center on this side of the world .

          11. DrBillLemoine says:

            You are misinformed or ignoring facts. SecState Clinton publicized election problems Putin instigated and drew his hate for ‘meddling’. That’s her tie to commie Putin. Investigative ‘mainstream’ reporters revealed Russian (maybe Trump) money laundering through Cyprus where (to me, not coincidentally) Trump’s SecCommerce Wilbur Ross was a director at the bank. There’s NO money laundering ever proven with Clinton openly and directly asking and getting foundation grants from anybody.
            I don’t know about any Panama Papers, perhaps faux news. If Panama is laundering money, it’s not for Clinton, possibly Trump. Are you simply confusing Trump vs. Clinton dealings, maybe from Russian bots or (Russian news outlet) WikiLeaks? I’ve been followed by a Russian bot for my views but you can guess why.
            Where is the real honesty between the two camps?

          12. Retired says:

            My god are you ever playing dense , Panama papers was in all major Media and quickly swept under the rug . All money coming into the US goes through certain banks and is laundered before reaching them . You never dealt with money transfers from other countries is evident . To you Clinton an d Obama walk on water and everyone else is scum . There is no honesty in the Media when they cater to only one party and the OWO with BILDERBERG Group .

          13. DrBillLemoine says:

            There is no automatic ‘laundering’ of money as you think. Deposits or transfers over $10K are questioned. Contact with foreign banks and interests is reported on tax returns. Shady banks with domestic branches like Deutsche Bank can get in trouble when evading laws–and that one was caught. But you have a distorted view of money transfers you like to call laundering.
            You may be thinking of the American Clearinghouse ACH. Nothing I’ve said reflects on Clinton or Obama in office who are indirectly involved with donations or money/financial policy. Trump by contrast does everything with a price attached. From taxes, to foundation, through university and divestment–it’s all about the money and he’s ripping off America, having never though he’d be president, only running to build his brand name. His constant troubles and personnel selections are directly related to real estate money and family as that’s all he knows. It’s not ‘scum’ but dirtbags can corrupt and are corrupt, his friends and acquaintances in business. You are looking at the wrong group thinking of honesty whether by partisanship or ignorance of facts and actions by Trump. And you’ll have to read my ongoing posts to see why base Rs, Trump supporters, think well educated media types are so hated. They seek truth and facts, not a priority with Freedom Caucus, Tea Party or base Trump supporters–are you there?

          14. Retired says:

            It is evident you are only reading and have not dealt with foreign money transfers , I have . Did you forget about all the foreign money the Clinton Campaign received and even from Communist supported countries , it was all laundered before it got to the transfer bank .Even Republicans have gotten foreign money

          15. DrBillLemoine says:

            You are confusing campaign donations from abroad which are illegal and foundation donations which are fine. It’s an easy mistake to make compounded by partisanship and the lack of depth in digging as I’ve already said. Spinners have bamboozled you unless you personally are tracking incoming foreign money which is doubtful. Remember too not to confuse or at least ask the question of countries vs individuals giving money anywhere. That’s a Trump problem where Russian and Putin or kleptocrat money is all the same under dictatorship. Are you familiar with Crete money laundering overseen by Trump’s new Secretary Wilbur Ross as I mentioned above? Why have such a crook in your cabinet?

          16. Retired says:

            You are the one confused and never give a straight answer . All you do is beat around the bush and avoid reality .Did you ever do international money Transfers ????

          17. DrBillLemoine says:

            Unless you are in the NSA, CIA or FBI, transfers of money are of no concern as those watchdogs monitor, along with banking interests under law, all ‘transfers’ that transfix you. Your question is immaterial in this tax discussion. That’s you answer.

          18. Retired says:

            So are you with your Bullshitsky ,all immaterial ! You spew a lot of left wing Garbage and Hate .Are you one of Hitler’s OFF spring that no one knew about .

          19. DrBillLemoine says:

            I’m beginning to suspect you are another Russian bot stalking me. You pursue immaterial issues, curse a lot, spew the garbage and hate you recognize in yourself and so attach to others, me. Plus you resurrect Hitler which is moot in this discussion, yet represents fascism you seem to espouse, or is it communism?

          20. Retired says:

            Hitler preached just like you are doing , and look what it got him .If you have ever met people from behind the Iron Curtain, they left to get away from your kind of thinking .

          21. DrBillLemoine says:

            More nonsense from the Russian bot. Hitler did not espouse any of my ideals and concepts aimed at freedom and individual rights for Americans. Saying it just puts you in a tiny corner of mistaken, self-centered and fact free ideologues on our far right. You are the fascist or communist, take your pick. Those from behind the Iron Curtain include democratic oriented Angela Merkel, Lech Walesa, Havel Pavlov, and other freedom fighters, strongly supporting my positions. All survived the Iron Curtain but don’t think at all like you; they think like me, obvious to anybody with any depth of thought and notions of western democracy. Right now we’re trying to rid our nation of, and the French just voted for, people diametrically opposed to you and your thoughts. Come over to our side while you can and stop the attacks on inalienable rights we support.

          22. Retired says:

            You have no clue about Merkel , she turned UN -OWO and Bilderberg Puppet like Obama and the Clintons . You support the left wing nuts of Hollywood as well as the Gay community and their life style . You would stand on the street corners and support them as well as the looters and rioters just like the Media you support . Your Friend Comey got put in his place today .

          23. DrBillLemoine says:

            You are proving clearly to be a Russian bot. You ignore that Merkel grew up in communist East Germany and yet leads western democratic Europe and European Union. You forget that conservative Ronald Reagan grew up a union leader Democrat. You show you did not grow up in an evangelical church that disregards Gospel saying to love everybody including gays but not their lifestyles before you were ‘Retired’. That spells godless communism without facts or historical knowledge. Despite my posts you still think I would not support all those who prefer western democratic and Christian living but that does not include criminals and barbarians in the streets. You are one grossly confused individual, inconsistent and negative in pursuit of your agenda that does not include preference for law and order as I do.
            It’s a separate but related issue that tonight we have emerging a clearer picture of coverup by our president and company as possible traitors, at least Constitution and lawbreakers under investigation. Watch for resignation or impeachment, mark my words.

          24. Retired says:

            You are funny ,was you the Class clown . I know Merkels history quite well ,probably more than you . She lost it when Kissing UN butt , but people like you do not see the Damage it has done in the last few decades . Do you ever talk with people in the EU to see what is going on there ??? NO So you admit to being Gay ???

          25. DrBillLemoine says:

            Only a Russian bot would make basic spelling and punctuation errors. Only a bot would state the opposite of what’s common knowledge for decades about Merkel who leads the European nations. Only a Russian would degrade the United Nations that preserved European freedom and peace with NATO since 1945. Only a Russian bot would claim damage for a wildly successful Eurozone for 70 years against my source(s) in banking and finance. And only a bot smear agent of false news would accuse another of being gay when clearly over 1000s of posts, I am not.
            Watch out for push back that Putin and his Russian cadre of thieves already face for their illegal intrusions.

          26. Retired says:

            You are a part of the commie party ,plus you can’t see the difference of NATO and the UN . Two different groups .The EU was going down hill I the 70s already , that is how far back I have had contacts over there .How many contacts do you have other than what the Media tells you .

          27. NM Leon says:

            Only an absolute idiot would display such abysmal ignorance of what a “bot” is and what it’s characteristics would be.

            As usual, you live up to the appellation, Bullschitte Billy.

          28. Retired says:

            Is that what the NY Times and Wa. Post tell you . You have never dealt with international transfers . Answer a question and stop writing BS

          29. Rodney Steward says:

            I don’t believe you got NO ANSWER from old Doc my friend! He’s just another bobnstuff-it!

    2. Rodney Steward says:

      Old Doc, how about Obama and his EVIL rich friends at Wall Street, you know, the very rich you’re talking about, paying YO BOY $$$4000,000 to make a boring speech! MY, MY, DOC, how does it make you trained Monkey’s feel!!

      1. DrBillLemoine says:

        No rich Democrats are out there all the time looking to cut their taxes or get more exemptions/deductions. Why can’t you see the obvious difference? When it comes to any evil, Wall St. Republicans outnumber Dems by far.
        It’s those fat cat Repubs running banks and hedge funds who are paying, another hint to you that your thinking/complaint is cockeyed. Boring to you, is analysis, trends, bigwig contacts, state of government, business and economics to them and me that clarifies macroeconomics I wish I could hear. Regardless I make money trading even competing against the high speed computer boys and insiders Obama speaks to. All my fat cat Repub business leader friends proudly display signed and framed photos of them with presidents. I’m not that big or have a big ego.

        1. Rodney Steward says:

          MY, MY DOC, I believe I hit a nerve with you, let me guess, you and YO man Obama may have a lot more in common than I thought, YO wife named Big Mike too!! And why would the have a loser to speak, unless he was ordered by his boss, Soros to do so!! Again, do away with the Dr on the name!

          1. mrpoohead says:

            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/05/trump-healthcare-australia-better-malcolm-turnbull Finally the Duck is honest – we have the worst healthcare among our peers; that’s before and after Obamacare.

          2. Retired says:

            Thank the Insurance industry and the lobbyist for that .

          3. mrpoohead says:

            Plutocracy – when the same industrial bodies and conglomerates own both parties you are only representing the 5%.

          4. Retired says:

            It’s your Demon Rats that do not see Congress is bought and paid for .

          5. mrpoohead says:

            I’m hoping that anyone in Congress is academically bright enough to know it is bought and paid for – there is no choice; conservative or Conservative. What’s the difference? LGBT, abortion and gun regulation – why bother?

          6. Retired says:

            Have you herd Brain Smart common sense Stupid and money buys them

          7. mrpoohead says:

            I know they’re bought – why do you think they went into it?

          8. Retired says:

            Dr. of Bullshitsky .

          9. Rodney Steward says:


        2. ezekiel22 says:

          Doc, I am not too sure about your lack of ego. You constantly talk down to people and as an educator you know that shuts people down from learning. If you were to be more even handed in your criticisms it will help.

          To me both parties are as corrupt as they come none of them deserving trust of anyone including you. They are so damned busy deceiving us they are hurting us. You are going to have to point out their hypocrisy more and not just republicans. You better start pointing out multimillionaires like Pelosi, Schumer, Fauxahauntus, McCain, Graham, when they say one thing and act out another. Have you studied the open borders issue past the side show in Congress? Have you taken note who has reversed positions and when besides why? Please do! Those idiots are doing the bidding of fat cats you cry about. Ask yourself how open borders benefits them. It isn’t hard.
          Ask yourself why Bush screwed up Medicare Part D and when Democrats had Carte blanche in Congress to pass ACA they chose not to straighten it out? Any ideas? Judging by the lack of depth in regards to hearings held with epi-pen and AIDS drug that are dirt cheap it is not hard either to figure who was on the take. Both sides.
          It does not take a genius to see that right now we have a collective dog and pony show going on with but one goal and that is to deflect. Why is the idiot media trying to paint Trump in one way while ignoring Hillary? Calling him all but a Russian collaborator yet ignoring the connections Clinton has with the Russians? The media makes a big deal out of a out of context quote yet ignores the antifa fascists that Hillary is aligning herself with? They are the ones that stand down orders are given so they can assault people and burn up property because they don’t like certain speakers? She should be condemning them in certain terms. So should you. They have had university professors injuring and assaulting people which should have upset you. The same people that are supposed to extol the virtues of free speech shutting it down! Disgraceful and they should have tenure stripped and be fired!

          1. DrBillLemoine says:

            Do you ascribe ‘ego’ to pastors or sunday school teachers/bible study leaders? No, they are dispensing scripture, not talking down to anyone as you state. My difference is in avoiding citing chapter and verse because I life in a lifestyle–with all Gospel. I am aware of what you think because I’ve seen how the Word does turn people off and drives them away or ‘shuts people down’. That doesn’t mean you stop teaching and preaching. Too many pastors have abandoned scripture to water down the Word and keep a congregation that supports them with titles and gifts. It’s an earthly problem–another ‘head’ problem. I always titled and never gave it a thought including extra gifts that ministers thought was a bit too much for ordinary parishioners. The solution–make me the finance committee member and church treasurer ultimately. All the while, I proposed modern world financial procedures for budget making with related decision making that were rejected for no particular reason. I was also rebuffed for facilitating donations by credit card, a method of making contributions that was later adopted. You keep walking in scripture anyway.
            The rest of your long list of grievances is pure politics which I’ve discussed with you before, yet you persist in refusing to dig down to facts and motives that make big differences in Trump and Clinton. You prefer to equate the two when the facts and issues are quite different–below the surface.

          2. Retired says:

            You can not educate a Democrat as the Majority have a one track mind .

          3. Rattlerjake says:

            You mean “EMPTY” mind – lobotomy is even better!

          4. Rattlerjake says:

            Actually Doc is somewhat right. Our country is foolish to think that it is ONLY demoncraps that are evil. Our government and the corporate big wigs are ALL scum who participate in “CRONY CAPITALISM”. Their whole intent is more, more, more for themselves. The entire tax system is designed for the multimillionaires/ billionaires to keep more and more of their profits while the smaller businesses and other actual tax payers are destroyed or kept in check. The rest of the government programs/grants/subsidies are also designed to be awarded to the mega-corporations as well which prevents competition from the “little” guy! When is the last time government bailed out a convenience store, a small farm, or a hometown hardware store?

        3. Retired says:

          That is why Obama Fined the Banks instead of the leaders that created the 2008 crash , that was well planned decades ago that the Government bail out the lending institutions when Democrats came up with the 0 down payment. Then forced manufacturing out of the country with controls and restrictions . There are still foreclosures do to lack of good paying jobs .

          1. DrBillLemoine says:

            Fined banks? In fact Republicans wanted those banks to go bankrupt, while Geithner/Bernancke/Obama reconstituted them, stabilizing and undergirding them with quantitative easing that produced repayments and some profits from banks. There’s no profits in closing doors of gigantic banks…unless you are Mitt Romney via his Bain company that gains millions from shuttering businesses. That’s why he isn’t president.
            I also think you’ll find that offshoring of companies is due to their desire to cut overhead, namely employee wages that are cheaper abroad than in America.
            Over time up to 2008 Great Recession you’ll find it’s deregulation that produced risky bank investments in credit default swaps and ‘low docs/no docs’ mortgage lending that burst the housing bubble and crashed the banks and the national/world economies. You have to dig deeper on all your issues to get real reasons and factors for what you whine about and attribute wrongly to Dems.
            As far as jobs, it is Republican congresses that refuse under Boehner and Ryan and McConnell to fund jobs via infrastructure upgrading/renewal/hardening (against cyberattacks), not Democrats who tried shovel ready spending that got misunderstood by Rs. Even ‘shovel ready’ projects require planning, bid letting, contractor hiring and lead-time activities to implement, something Rs don’t know and those of us formerly involved in urban planning well understand. Every political subdivision has capital projects lists all of which take some time–even many months or years–to implement when ‘shovel ready’. My guess is that’s the problem with Solyndra investing, no time allowed to develop by Rs.
            There is no such thing as ‘free market’ unless you permit sweatshops like New York City into the 70’s or, non-subsistent wages like Latino farm workers under Cesar Chavez in CA. Rs lately have refused to repatriate overseas profits of corporations or build such national revenues by proper lawmaking and regulations. Stop being so superficial in your thinking to get real answers to your concerns. Truth is, even your elected Republican majority legislatures don’t think long-term and people suffer–workers with wages stagnant since Reagan; women earn 70 cents to every man’s dollar; 90% of national income going to the richest Americans; 50% of all national assets owned by fat cats; etc.
            No depth or foresight in thinking.

  • zoehoney says:

    My opinion is when they crammed this ILLEGAL bill down America’s throats they should be able to UNDO all of it with the snap of their fingers. This bill has to be loaded with ILLEGAL “stuff” JUST START OVER. Undo it like they created the thing behind closed doors without 1 GOP vote. That seems illegal to me.

  • Webb says:

    Fact…Obamacare was headed down the drain. The AHCA…will either work or not. We had 7 years and Billions wasted and burdened with a Mandate and Taxes
    CAN THE AHCA be any worse…Lets wait and see!

  • Rodney Steward says:

    Seem the swamp can’t do more than one thing at a time, under Obama they didn’t have to do anything, not even all his UnConstitutional acts because he had that big fat Race Card in his back pocket! Now they’re having to work a little seems to be more than they can handle!

    1. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

      Agree with all except ‘back pocket’
      That race card was right in his lapel for all to see. Placed right about where others wear their Flag pins.

      1. Rodney Steward says:

        LOL, I totally agree 100%, for the WHOLE world to see that fancy card!

    2. Retired says:

      That is because he was Half and Half playing the race card which the Democrats swallow hook line and sinker like the fish they are .

      1. Rodney Steward says:

        Absolutely nailed that one brother!!

  • Not_Easily_Impressed says:

    Is this correct? Because Trump is “only one guy” he can ONLY do one thing at a time. He could not ever possibly fight on two fronts? This is a stupid viewpoint that is designed to create some sort of response. Perhaps an emotional reaction? Pathetic in the extreme.

    1. Pete says:

      The media hotshots, primarily due to a fixation on “normal” bureaucratic waffling, keep underestimating the Trump administration. It shows they really aren’t half as smart as they think they are.

      1. PatriotGal says:

        Pete, you nailed it! I am so sick of the lame-stream propaganda machine and the libtards. They didn’t get it right before the election; yet they spew the same idiocy having no concept of how OUR PRESIDENT Trump works. They are sot in their ways of mediocrity while he is head and shoulders above and ahead of them.

        1. Retired says:

          The media can not keep up with trump so they spew anything that comes to mind . It’s time to get the media out of the halls where the elected have their office .

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      2. Not_Easily_Impressed says:

        Thanks for responding! You are so correct. It makes me laugh, a sick hollow laugh.

    2. Retired says:

      Trump can function on many things at once , it’s congress that can NOT .

      1. gvette says:

        You are correct. They can’t work at the speed of Trump. The fact that most on either side, don’t like him, not withstanding!

      2. Not_Easily_Impressed says:

        So true! They are totally captive to the meme of the moment.

  • bobnstuff says:

    Tax reform will get done, they have 3.6 million people waiting to have their taxes cut and those people have the power to push it through. The rest of the people really don’t matter as much. Look at the people pushing for tax reform and see who will get what. The tax reform bill of 2017 will be every bit as good as the healthcare bill.

    1. Rodney Steward says:

      Remember Bro., we have a Patriot in the White house now, and not a hater of America and our Constitution!! You may learn to like him as much as we slowly learn to hate YO Bro!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        So just what action in Trumps history leads you to believe he is a great patriot? His service in the military, his putting America first in his business dealings? Where in his past has he proved to the world his love of country.

        1. Retired says:

          Why are you Being Stupid , Don’t you see the game the Children in Congress are playing It is nothing but obstruction that is going on in both parties , what are they so afraid of ??? Are some going to get exposed to the criminal acts in their legislation ???? We could have had a national health plan instead of the monster ACA at less cost . But the Insurance lobby – Hospitals and medical professionals have fought that for decades .

        2. Rodney Steward says:

          He did go to a military school from the 5th grad till he graduated and was really a good football player! And where was it that Obama went to High School, or even grammer school? How many businesses has Obama created, none that we know of! Who’s building the military back that was almost destroyed by Obama! Sorry bobby, you are a loser again!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Being sent to military school because your parents can’t handle you hardly make Trump a patriot. Had he gone into the military after leaving school it might have been different, To bad that his school went bankrupt, they asked Trump for help but he said no. If creating businesses proves you are a patriot then all those 7/11 owners must be great patriots. So who did build up the military. Trump hasn’t done anything yet and unless congress give him some money he won’t be doing much. We have up dated our hardware a lot. We have the strongest and newest navy. we have a new fighter jet coming on line, we even have a new tank in the works. We could cut our military spending in half and still be out spending every other nation on earth. If you think our military has been gutted look at just who cut the funds. That being said we are still the greatest military on earth.

            Not that it matters but Obama went to junior high and high school in Hawaii Before that he went to a Catholic School. His first year and a half was in Malaysia’s public school No one had to send him to military school. I wonder why we haven’t seen Trumps School records? I guess he had them sealed. We know he wasn’t top of his class. Sorry Trump has done nothing that would make him a patriot. He did collect money for the Vets and he even gave it to them after he was forced to by the press.

          2. Rodney Steward says:

            I liked that link, at least it showed proof of Trump and school that no one can pull up for Obama, except the fake news BS, and it even made Trump look better than Obama also, that was great bobby! I just hate it that you don’t stay informed no better than you do on many issues! The down sizing of our military has been on the news for a long time, where have you been! Trump has made this country feel better than it’s felt in many years, unlike Obama that most really hated! That’s why it cost you over a thousand seats nation wide, Obama and his to finish us off, Hellary Clinton, both from the belly of the BEAST!!

          3. bobnstuff says:

            We brought home a lot of troops in case you missed it on the news. If you are fighting a war you don’t need as many soldiers. If you don’t have the troops you don’t need the officers. Yes we have a smaller army but that doesn’t change the fact that we still have the strongest military on earth. We should never hit the levels we were just 15 years ago. Just as in manufacturing we have cut our needs. An example is the Virginia class sub only take 113 people to man it. If you believe Trump looks good your values are not any better then his. Less then half the country feels good about having Trump as president.

          4. Rodney Steward says:

            Yes, when Opey brought home TOO many troops, then came ISIS that was formed!!

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Why did we bring all those troops home from Iraq? We had to leave the country thanks to a deal GW Bush made. The end date was set before Obama took office. He did in fact try to stay longer. The roll back in the size of our military was in fact an act of congress.

          6. Rodney Steward says:

            NO, NO, NO, NO, this one of Obama’s main campaign promises, that he was going to end the war and bring home our Troops, but like everything else, he didn’t know what he was doing or lying again!

          7. bobnstuff says:

            No, no, no, he tried to stay longer and not take all the troops out. He wanted to leave 10,000 troops there but Iraq’s parliament said no.The troop withdrawal started in 2007.

          8. Roger says:

            Right and his birth certificate was issued by a hospital that didn’t exist when he was born!

          9. bobnstuff says:

            Keep drinking that Kool-Aid. You have been suckered.
            I really makes no difference now, he was elected twice by the majority of voters in like our present president.

          10. mrpoohead says:

            Trump – successful inheritor and bankrupt.

          11. Rodney Steward says:

            When some and lose some, that’s how you learn, from your mistakes!!

          12. mrpoohead says:

            “When” what?

        3. Roger says:

          Each and every day of his adult life! More than 30 years before he ran for President he was talking about how America was getting screwed on trade by China and other countries! You don’t have to serve in the military to be a patriot! He attended military school and that is more than most Americans do! Only about one percent of the population is serving in the military at almost any time, less than 10% during WW2!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            No he didn’t talk about our problems with trade until he found that suckers would vote for him if he did and he’s not doing it anymore in case you didn’t notice. China is now our friend in Trumps eyes. You might notice that he has his products made over seas.

            Back in the 60’s like today problem kid are sent off to military school. Trump didn’t choose to go, he was sent. He was pulled from a leadership position over his fellow students and give a desk job. He must have loved that school a lot because when they needed money to stay open he wasn’t there for them.

            If Trump loves his country so much why did he give so little back. Where are the hospitals and schools with his name on them. Tell me about all the affordable housing he has built. Lets hear about how he gives back to the country that has given him so much, oh wait he is trying to but congress still hasn’t lifted the sanctions on Russia yet. Both his sons have bragged about all the money they have gotten from Russia to build golf courses and other prodjects.

          2. Roger says:

            If you don’t think Trump was talking about trade years ago and how the United States was getting ripped off by Japan and other countries, you need to take a look at a video of now President Trump in 1988 on the Oprah Winfrey show, the same show on which he said if he did run for President, he believed he would win! IMAGINE THAT!

    2. Retired says:

      Our elected have been talking Tax reform for many Decades and it has not happened that people pay a fair share of taxes , whether it is the little guy or all the way up to corporations . The rich will not give up the tax breaks but the middle will lose them ..

      1. bobnstuff says:

        The rich want more tax breaks and lower taxes. As long as we keep electing millionaire to congress we will never get a fair tax code. We have the best government money can buy.

        1. Retired says:

          To much wheeling and dealing instead of taking care of the USA first .

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Stop that we can agree on things you are throwing the universe out of line. That said you are right.

      1. Rodney Steward says:

        Brad, bobnstuff-it is a true Maxine Waters idiot!

        1. Brad says:

          Bob and I aren’t exactly on the same page, or even the same book, but I thought I’d say hi.

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