Repeal Obamacare? An “Act of Cowardice”…

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January 3, 2017

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Democrats mounted a pre-emptive attack as the new Congress gets ready to meet Tuesday, accusing Republicans of “cowardice” for what is expected to be an early-session effort to repeal Obamacare.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Republicans will pay a political price if they move to dismantle the Affordable Care Act.

“You break it, you own it,” said the California Democrat, who is preparing for her fourth straight Congress in the minority after losing her speakership in 2010 as part of an anti-Obamacare backlash.

Although the congressional session begins this week, the heavy lifting will wait until later this month when the Senate turns to the business of hearings on Donald Trump’s presidential Cabinet nominees and the House begins work on the agenda that Speaker Paul D. Ryan, Wisconsin Republican, has been plotting for a year.

In the meantime, Congress will attempt to leash President Obama, slamming him for refusing to protect Israel in a U.N. vote on settlements last month and attempting to limit the effects of regulations imposed in the final days of his administration.

  • I was broken Nancy as you shoved it down our throats, even the guys that created it admitted it was a Pyrrhic and in future would prove to be a disaster. How stupid can you be, when you don’t read what you promote and then defend it as if you knew what it was.

  • maxx

    “You break it you own it?” It has been broken since it was illegally manipulated into existence by the democrat party by Harry Reid in the first place. Go back and read the history of the process used. It started as an approved House Bill regarding military benefits and was totally changed into the ACA by Reid and company. 1300 pages of changes were involved. Even if a single word in the original bill was changed, by legislative law it must be sent back to the originating chamber for “reconciliation”. The senate never returned the bill back to the House but voted on it immediately after changing it. The Repuklicans in the House knew this was done yet did not even challenge it. So both parties are guilty even though not s single Repuklican voted to approve it in the senate because Harry Reid used the nuclear option to change the senate rules. If you don’t believe this information do your own research. That is how the democRats got the ACA into law. That is why is needs to be eliminated and the politicians that voted to approve it outside of the normal procedure should be prosecuted.

  • rowleya

    Obamacare is just very Very very Late Term Abortion.

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  • Luke

    Her party paid the price, that’s why more and more demwits are being voted out all across America..And I don’t appreciate that trash calling the American people cowards, it’s just proof of what a sorry lot demwits are…

  • William R. Sullens

    With Pelosi at the helm for the DemoSocialists, they will surely sink further into the mire than they already have. Pelosi, Reid and Obama do not deserve to have any legacy preserved, as the years they have been in power, have been some of the most disastrous years that the United States of America has experienced since becoming a Republic. Thank goodness that Donald Trump and the Republicans can right the wrongs that have been inflicted by the Obama administration over the last eight years.

  • Ken says

    Leave the unAffordable Care Act there BUT remove the mandatory insurance, taxing powers, save the insured money and NO taxpayer funding. Like your doctors – if you like the ACA you can have it – if you can afford the ACA you can have it – Then tear up the Government Medical Price List that is insanity.

  • wmagg

    The cowardice was in the way the CRIMINAL DEM’s passed the worthless bill known as Obamanation care. This was just like it’s name sake, a looser from the very beginning. Forced upon the citizens of this nation by a criminal action and a criminal administration, opposed by 78% of the people of this nation and known to be a failure and unsustainable from the very start.. REPEAL the entire thing and make the Pelosi eat all 2000+ pages of it.

  • KayO

    Those communists and socialists will say anything, regardless of whether or not it makes sense. Obamacare was written by communists and designed to fail. It’s designed to ration health care. They’re just mad because they didn’t get to finish the job.

  • Roy Fredrichsen

    Nancy Pelosi said of the O’Bama Care Bill, “We had to pass it to find out what was in it”. Now that it is NOT working as promised, she wants to keep it and SHE isn’t covered by it. If Congress had to be covered by it, increasing premiums and decreasing coverage, they would want to dismantle it, too.

  • Richard Frick

    Another in the long and exhaustive “BULLYING TACTICS” that we became familiar with under the Obama destruction processes and executive orders. The Asses will never change. If you don’t like what they attempt to shove up your rear, threaten them and make them back off. Too late polka, your time has come to an end and your total lack of judgement is irrelative and unheeded. Wallow in your own slop.

  • Ramon1710 .

    You want cowardice? You want laziness? You pass socialized medicine before anyone had time to read it, like Pel-lousy did, and exempt yourself and the rest of the Congressional elitists from having to suffer under it.

  • PBHayes

    Obama, Pelosi and the rest of these ignorant Democrats have already paid a huge political price for Obamacare and everything else this incompetent lazy traitor did over the past 8 years. Fixing this huge mess will take very hard work but it must be done and done quickly.

  • Mike

    The most unconstitutional worthless plan ever, Doctors don’t like it, people hate it, you can’t keep your old doctor. It CAUSTS WAY TO MUCH, and for people who don’t make a lot of money, and can’t afford some type of healthcare, you Screw them by taking money from their taxes to help them succeed in life. Yea that’s it Screw the people harder because their are so many great paying jobs.

  • libertybells2

    What a loose cannon. Isn’t she the one who said, ‘we have to pass the bill so we can see what is in it?” A more stupid,, infantile statement ever made. Who signs a contract, and then reads it? Only Pelosi..a dumber than dumb idiot.

  • Jose

    I wonder how many of them are on board with obamacare or do they have insurance being paid by the taxpayer with an election of a private doctors that are specialist on whatever their ailments are instead of just a GP like the rest of us.

  • Tiger

    Do I hear a cricket. Irrelevant.

  • Webb

    “You Break It, You Own It”…Pelosi is so blind that she Can’t See it was Broken, when it got Passed…Lets face facts this law was passed on Lies, Deceit and Broken Promises to all Americans. Plus Government Overreach with A Mandate forcing Us to Buy a Product!
    America is on the Verge of Bankruptcy…With Obamacare added to our N/D, it pushes us closer to Bankrupting America!
    REPEAL OBAMACARE AS PROMISED ☆☆☆

  • justinwachin

    Hey Nancy, the Republicans are already paying the price for wanting to repeal Obamacare. Their efforts made them the majority party.

  • Bob

    Let’s not get distracted. Health insurance hides the cost of health care so we get ripped off. Go to fee for service and then competition will drive the costs down. Or you’ll be able to shop the service and pick what you can afford.
    Right now we don’t see the effect of our choices so we blindly choose what we can’t afford and we get robbed. It’s “free” so we ignore the costs until the insurance goes through the roof.

  • goldie

    Boy is she right that we own it – who does this demented woman think paid for this fiasco but the American people? So the people own it, nancy, and we elected representatives to fix your mess. Shut up and go away.

  • used_to_be_a_liberal

    Obama Care has never been just all about health care coverage. There are over 2000 pages in this law that draws you in, then punches you in the head. Apart from the obvious flaws in this thing, there are the hidden aspects that no-one has spoken about. This thing called Obama Care, if fully enacted would have the power to control every aspect of a person’s life, and rights. It is a dirty, underhanded document that if it were properly examined could, would, and should scare the hell out of every American Citizen.

  • Bob

    Name-calling Nancy, I’m sorry to break it to you….but you just aren’t relevant anymore.

  • texexpatriate

    I’m not the Speaker but if I was the Speaker we would first establish things so that Democrats could not obstruct things and then proceed to roll them over. We’d treat them just like they treated the GOP the past eight years. All their objections would get filed in the trash can. Democrats aren’t even genuine Americans. They’re a new category of America-hating slime.

  • Rick D.

    Anyone who said that “we have to pass Obamacare to find out what’s in it” has zero credibility when it comes to making assertions as to what should be done by Congress. She is a joke!! What a pitiful excuse for a leader! Get a real job!!

  • The_Frog_Prince

    The California kook has been trash talking since 2010 about how the Democrats are going to retake the House, the Senate and maintain the Presidency. None of that has happened nor will any of that occur any time soon. She needs to stuff something in her bug mouth that will keep it shut. Here’s how much the Dems have accomplished under Oblabber Mouth. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/96e0243aa4026de165efd94540bb978885ae4be7b96d8fdee047d99ce14c2ae3.jpg

  • Timothy Thompson

    Obama with the help of communist Democrats signed and passed Obamacare knowing it had little to do with improving our medical systems but take over control and power of the American people forcing them to buy into their scheme to destroy what most of us had a great insurance with HMO’s that worked for most of us nicely and was cost effective. Most of us through out employment programs. Obama being a true marxist communist and Muslim supporter knew what he was doing and just won’t give up till we kick him out of his office once and for all.

  • itsfun

    My biggest worry is “RINO” They may not have the guts to fix the Obamacare tax. The electoral college landslide provided a clear mandate from the citizens of this nation, but the RINO’s are afraid to make any liberal mad. The mandated coverages are a damn joke and rate killer. That is just one example of what needs to be fixed.

  • James in Texas

    Simple answer! We will not fall for “Single-payer Insurance” from the Federal government, Period! Why you ask………”If our Federal government overtook ownership of the the “Rock of Gibraltar, within a week it would be the “Pebble of Gibraltar” and working almost as good as Odumbocare is working!

    • Webb

      Truth Be Told…

  • Bill

    We must repeal obamacare……cause we see what’s in it……..

  • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    We were lied to from git go. Pelosi is a damn liar we’er worst off today with this OBAMACARE THAN WE WERE BEFORE IT WAS SAID YOU HAVE TO PASS IT TO KNOW WHAT’SIN IT.

  • Patriot47

    Not repealing Odumbocare is the real act of cowardice.

  • RuFus92

    Pelosi has broken the government to many years now. We wouldn’t be needing to repeal this Obaminal bill if she had done her job right in the first place and rejected this bad excuse for progress she saddle us with.

    • Karll

      Her “job” was to “Gruber” us.

  • Richard Bagenstose

    hopefully from now on they will read the bills before they pass them , pelosi remember , we have top pass it to find out what’s in it ,obomacare is a money pit , everyone pays and they get to steal it, and no one has insurance they can afford to use, un;ess you live in poverty , witch they already are on welfare and get insurance from that any ways, the whole thing was a scam , just like oboma is

    • Mike Thomas

      Pee Lowsee is like many in Washington, Socialist’s, N.W.O. Elitists.
      Congress and the house during that time were Demon Rat controlled, they knew what was in the bill. Please go to google and look up page 107 of the health care bill and read about the word, Dhimmitude. Muslims are exempt from having to have it, while we, the infidels, have to take it or be fined or jailed.
      They were just showing U.S. their transparency, as Obuzzo said they would be.
      We now know that every time a Demon Rat opens their mouths they are Lying!

  • Karll

    I don’t know about how “cowardly” an attempt at repeal would be, but the dirty tricks they used in passing such an unconstitutional boondoggle and continuing to defend the monstrosity definitely takes some brass balls.

  • Wingedgodd3ss

    Republicans really need to not wimp out on this or they will feel the backlash. Democrats are already feeling it from pushing this abomination through to begin with. That’s why they lost the house the senate and presidency.

  • Just1Saddletramp

    The twenty million people the Dems are counting as the gainers on Obamacare are the illegals and the welfare people

  • Pete

    The best healthcare system on the planet was the United States healthcare system prior to the ACA. Was it flawed? Yes of course it was!! Did the ACA make it better? The US voters said on November 8th 2016 a resounding “HE!! NO”. Now the instructions to the new Congress are crystal clear: “Scrap the ACA and replace it with something that works or in the election in November 2018 WE WILL HAND YOU YOUR DAM_ HEAD”.

  • MikeS

    The price paid by GOP for killing obamacare will be minimal compared to the price they pay if they either wait or don’t. KILL IT NOW!

    • maxx

      I’m hoping that the GOP is scared to death not to act as the people just mandated. But they are also very good liars and have proved it over and over by the continuous betrayal by the likes of Ryan and McConnell. These two people in particular need to be closely watched. I would not trust either one to do the right thing.

  • Mort Leith

    THIS is what these DUMBycrats want to continue to support ? ? ?

    OdumboCare

    I’ve paid for my wife and my insurance for over 20 years. And we had great insurance before we were forced off of it because it was deemed that we didn’t have Maternity or Birth Control, we’re 60 btw.

    Our original insurance not only covered Dr. visits and prescriptions BEFORE we met our Deductible, and only cost $725/month (which I thought was high back then), I had tons of Doctors I could choose from.

    After only two years on liberal-NA Z1 insurance (OdumboCare), our cost went up 82% to $1,320/month!

    Now, next year our cost has gone up to $1,900/month! ! ! !

    (44% from last year alone, mine individually going up 56%)

    160% HIGHER than our original insurance!!!

    • Bay0Wulf

      Sorry ML … part of the Creation of the ACA/OCare was due specifically to people like you. Yes. Seriously.

      As the Boomers get older, they are (or were) frequently “locked” into plans that they’ve had for years … or longer … that the insurance companies (or HMOs) couldn’t “Force” them off of because of promises they’d made when trying to get you as a client.

      However, as you age, the insurance companies begin to be in a position where they’ve gotten all the profits out of you that they can, and are now starting to have to pay out … and THAT simply could not be allowed. They were STUCK by the assurances they’d made to you but they WANTED a Way Out of Living Up to Them.

      Along came the concept of an “Affordable Care” Package. Its something that the US Citizen supposedly had been hollering for for decades … Socialized Medicine … its something some Politicians had been pushing for years … not only did it Sound Good to the Constituents … it Sounded GREAT to the Insurance Companies Who Have Tremendously Deep Pockets (aka Donors … or Bribes)

      When Obama and the Senate & House (Pelosi) Pushed the ACA through, they pushed through a package that had LARGELY been written by the INSURANCE COMPANIES …

      Language had been inserted to make it Completely Impossible for People to “Keep Their Insurance Plans” regardless of what the Politicians proclaimed. One of the points was that most insurance before Obamacare was “Catastrophic Care” because of High Deductibles and THAT could NOT be Allowed … Okay so You Could NOT Keep that Plan … Or … it had to cover prenatal and natal care or abortions or Female Disorders when you’re male … or children up to 26 when you have no children … or “pre-existing problems” … ANY of a Dozen Reasons DELIBERATELY Inserted to Throw YOU and Others Like YOU “Off Your Plans”.

      So … You See … they HAD to “Throw You Off” and CANCEL YOUR PLAN so that they could FORCE YOU to Get a NEW PLAN and Make You PAY MORE for Less Which was the PLAN from DAY ONE

      I wish it were some Sad Sick Joke … but Its Not … Its Simply True

      • Roy Fredrichsen

        BayOwolf – You forgot to mention O’Bummer “borrowed” funds from Social Security to pay the writers of the “Affordable Health Care Bill” so the Senate could pass it in the middle of the night so the Republicans could not object to such a massive fraud. Will O’Bummer pay Social Security back the funds he “borrowed”? Like the rest of his promises, probably not.

        • ourzoo10

          ..

        • Harry J Schaubel

          They also wrote $500B into the plan just to pay it for another year.

        • Bay0Wulf

          RF … unfortunately I think I already am way too “long winded”. If I put all the various things into any one given response,
          I doubt anyone would read it …
          I think Disqus would have a Fit …
          I would start to think I should write a book … (that would not reach enough people to make a difference)

          I simply try to make the point as clearly as possible with as much support as necessary … with information I am completely comfortable with its truthfullness … and even that goes too far.

      • maxx

        The ACA was not written by insurance companies and was not written in the 21st century. It was originally written in the 1990’s when Bill was in office and he gave Hillary the task to try to pass socialized medicine back then. The bill written by Hillaries staff and company was rejected by the people and Congress but was never discarded. DemocRats archived the document and brought it back and used it as the ACA. The insurance companies jumped onto the bandwagon because now they had every American as a mandated customer. They also had guarantees from the government to reimburse them for any monetary losses. There isn’t another business that would not take that kind of deal. Actually there is, the ethanol industry operated the same way. ObamaCare was never about health care it was/is the greatest wealth redistribution scam ever devised by the socialists. What is never mentioned is just how many people that would never buy their own insurance are now being insured for free. That money comes from everyone else’s higher costs.

        • ipsd48

          Seems the ins companies got snookered too, as is reflected in losses by the 4 largest insurers over the past 2 years.

        • Bay0Wulf

          maxx … most of what you have written from about the first 5 sentences is basically correct from my studies of this fiasco.

          However, the Insurance companies did, in fact, have a hand in writing the ACA. Their fingerprints are all over it. This is not merely Hillary’s original “Bill” that was dusted off and resubmitted. There was a lot of new stuff in there … stuff that could only have been written by highly “interested parties” (ie. Insurance Companies)

          It is also never mentioned that of the 19 million “Newly Insured” is over 11 Million that were switched onto MedicAid (Charity Government Health Coverage) which comes out of the Soc Sec Funds … when looked at carefully the actual numbers of “Newly Insured” due to the ACA/OCare is something around 2-3 million TOTAL …

    • Tiger

      Right and my husband’s gone off the wall also and yes he now has to pay for women who he is not married to.

      Time to take it down, plus it contains much more than medical in these thousands of pages it is a really terrible document. Sorry for your problems.

      • maxx

        The only “cowardice” involved here is if the Repuklicans don’t have the stones to get rid of the most destructive and socialistic law ever passed illegally. The method used to pass it by Harry Reid and company should have been challenged by the repuklicans in the senate immediately after the text of the original bill changed but they sat by and let it happen. That was the first act of cowardice.

        • Tiger

          Just heard Pence told the Republicans that President wants a Bill on his desk by Feb 20th. Will be easy because bill after bill has failed due to O. Now they can throw them out there and they will stick.

          Also learned today Trump’s team is on the border they want meetings with all the top people in charge, they want to see any and all EO’s that O put to them and they found out Bush had the National Guard on one part of the border and O removed them, so that is coming back quick. Trump is working fast, he has his ducks in a row I just fear for his life as the Shadow government looks on and sees every dream shattered.

    • Roy Fredrichsen

      Yeah, Mort – You forgot to mention that the I R S will collect the premiums whether you pay it or not. They’ll take it out of your Social Security.

  • bobnstuff

    If the Republicans repeal the ACA without having a plan on dealing with the fallout they will get the blame. Rates will stay high and go higher unless the congress comes up with something to stop it. Just saying no doesn’t cut it. It doesn’t matter who you want to blame, what matters is who gets the short end of the deal. It won’t be the insurance companies you can be sure of that.

  • Andy Palmer

    Has there ever been a more tone-deaf bunch. Maybe they really are clueless about what a disaster Obamacare is. They keep crowing about twenty million people who got health care due to this abomination – (actually it was fourteen million) but they fail to recognize that the premiums and deductibles are so high that, in effect, those people have no effective coverage at all.

    • Wingedgodd3ss

      Not only that but at least 20 million lost healthcare. All they did was change who has care-not get more people covered.

    • Karll

      Simply put, they ruined the health insurance and health care of 100+ million people to provide cheaper or free services to perhaps 20 million.
      All democrat ideas end up with the same generally dysfunctional result.

  • Dan

    Nancy….did you read the bill yet to know what’s in it? You own it and it’s broke.

    • Karll

      Nancy p has the attention span of a gnat.

      • goldie

        If she’d shut her mouth once in a while, maybe she would learn something. Or she could have another shouting match and disrupt the meetings of the House again. I’m sure that was great fun for the ‘queen’, as opposed to the “insignificant” other representatives. This woman is demented.

      • Tiger

        And a brain the same size.

        • Harry J Schaubel

          I’m reporting both of you to The Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Gnats! And also make you pay for the counseling they will all need!

          • Tiger

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    • Tiger

      Even if they did they would have passed it this thing is thousands of pages long and includes much more than medical care. The public just doesn’t know how this bill is so threatening to much more than their health.

      I am glad she is back to business as usual assures another win in 2020.

      • Karll

        It’s not like old nancy is going to improve with age, is it? LOL!

        • Tiger

          I hope not but for all the botox and other injections she might be pickled.

      • ourzoo10

        The most important thing in the bill, that many do not realize, is that it is mostly about TAXES…That is b/c it was passed with 51 votes…That is why Judge Roberts said it was OK, it is a tax…Nothing about healthcare.

        To not be about taxes would have required a majority vote.

        • Tiger

          It is about making it National and that was Stalin’s number one legislation and we know how that turned out. Take a look at Solzhenitsyn’s book “Caner Ward” there ya have it.

  • Wes

    The ACA is broken and the Democrats own it. Wake up! That’s why we the people left the party of Obama and Pelosi in shatters from local to federal levels. You did all you could to destroy America. Now get out of our way and let us restore our wonderful Nation to greatness. There are consequences for elections and the liberal progressives can either come with us, or rust away like an old vehicle until it is hauled away to the junkyard.

    • Karll

      And their lap dog media will be screaming all the way.

    • maxx

      I would prefer to have the liberal progressives who do nothing but practice subversive activities removed from society. If you are against our Constitution form of government you should not be allowed to partake of it’s benefits. They should be forced to leave the country. Go find a socialist dictatorship that will welcome them.

  • David Stewart

    The woman needs s lobotamy; put the stolen funds back in Medicare; already have seen the effects of the theft in my coverage, or lack of!

    • Wingedgodd3ss

      Too late-I think she already had one…

      • Ramon1710 .

        Removing the frontal lobes would make her more placid.
        On the other hand, while It reads like a dream order for a wild frat party: Maker’s Mark whiskey, Courvoisier cognac, Johnny Walker Red scotch, Grey Goose vodka, E&J brandy, Bailey’s Irish Crème, Bacardi Light rum, Jim Beam whiskey, Beefeater gin, Dewars scotch, Bombay Sapphire gin, Jack Daniels whiskey, and Corona beer… That single receipt makes up just part of the more than $101,000 taxpayers paid for “in-flight services” – including food and liquor, for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s trips on Air Force jets over the last two years. That’s almost $1,000 per week.
        Methinks the party witch has rotted her cerebral cortex.

  • regulus30

    Nancy; you mean like you have done to our medical/insurance system with your unilateral assumption of 1/6/ of our economy;; how those rates looking today Pelosi, kind of exploding are they not; you idiot.

    • The_Frog_Prince
      • regulus30

        politicians love to spend SOMEONE elses money don’t they?

        • maxx

          That is certainly true of all of our socialist (liberal) politicians. That’s how they buy votes to stay in office. And we taxpayers provide the bribe money on top of it. They call it “government welfare benefits”.

          • regulus30

            the troubling part of this scenario is the reluctance of blacks to accept the fact they ARE “STILL SLAVES TO THE DEMOCRATS”, ONE WONDERS WHY THESE PEOPLE do not want to get a job and get an education and get some self respect.

    • maxx

      She could care less because like every other member of Congress they are not held to ObamCare. Harry Reid made sure they and their staffs were exempted. The government provides the Cadillac plan for them.

      • regulus30

        just another example of the DC elitists attitude towards WE THE DEPLORABLES;

  • patanzalone

    Nancy is out of touch with citizens. She told a senator on the house floor he was insignificant. She doesn’t even know what is in Obamacare. It was forced on people. You either bought it or paid fines. This did not help the middle class. They pay for it but do not benefit from it. It needs to be reworked to help everyone not just low income people. Affordable health care for us all.

  • gerald Hughes

    You bet your bippy we own it it, you pickle mouth biatch.
    Tell you something else, the republican party is history if they do not immediately start repeal, not interested in hearing the replace garbage, repeal it or else, we will leave the republican party lying in the weeds.

    • bobnstuff

      I sure hope your aren’t relying on the government for your healthcare. Once the ACA is gone then they will start on Medicare. The Republican healthcare plan is DON’T GET SICK!

      • Pete

        Listen! As clearly as I can state it: “Repeal & REPLACE Obamacare”. All of the negative horse hockey about throwing grandma over a cliff is pure hype that is half a century old socialistic lie. Even the MSM has gotten tired of using it.

        • bobnstuff

          They are all set to repeal but have you seen any plans for replace? This is a lazy group in congress and writing a health care bill takes a lot of work. In all the times they have voted on repealing the ACA have you ever seen a bill to replace it? Trumps idea is to deregulate the industry thinking that it will magical fix everything. The regulations are there for a reason. In case you don’t know it the insurance companies are not your friend, they just want as much money as they can get.

          • gerald Hughes

            Of course they do, you fing cretin, they are in business.
            The governmnet owes you parasites nothing and business owes you parasites nothing.
            You want their product pay for it, if you don’t want to pay for it do without.

          • Harry J Schaubel

            Understand. bobnstuff is a Hillary Snowflake. He still is convinced ACA is the best deal in the world.

          • Brad

            The entire medical industry is an f’n mess, and I don’t see it getting fixed with anything efficient. Not the doctors and nurses who are at ground zero. They’re just as frustrated as us. I mean at the top. The gov’t always says it’s about insurance, how are we gonna pay for folks’ insurance. Here’s what they don’t address; the hospitals and pharma companies who are making this whole thing unaffordable in the first place. The charges are obscene due to lack of competition, so a hospital charge master can basically charge you what they want. Some people say there is competition, that you can go to any hospital you want to have surgery. I suppose, but is the surgeon you trust going to be there, in Thailand? No. And when it comes to emergencies, when your appendix, or your heart, has one foot in the door, and one on the tracks, or you’re in a bad accident, Can you tell the EMT, “Hey, wait a minute until I get online to read reviews of hospitals, and see how much they charge to sew on a leg, so I can tell you where to need to take me”? Hell no, they take you to the nearest place that can stabilize you. I call it the medical monopoly, and you can be charged anything for their services, and drugs. Also, the gov’t has fueled the outrageous fee phenomenon for hundreds of years with how they ran medicare. Medicare would only pay a certain percentage for a certain procedure, so the medical industry learned the game really quickly and started marking up their fees to cover the percentages they weren’t being paid. So, the gov’t screwed us by proxy, which is some consolation I guess, being they usually do it directly. This became a cycle, with enormous ever increasing fees being the result. It’s even worse now, with large hospitals buying up all the little ones in rural areas, eliminating what little competition that might’ve been there. Someone also has to pay for the illegals in the country who can’t, be it by medicaid, or just tacking it on to another patient’s bill, hidden in increased fees. I knew a person who made six figures whose job was auditing medical codes for a large hospital. To me that’s insane, and the sick people are stuck with the bill. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not in favor of caps on salaries, and people should be paid a good wage for the work they do, but would a person in that sort of capacity in a, let’s say, large manufacturing corporation, be making that much money? This wouldn’t happen if their was any real competition among the hospitals. The insurance companies, too, from what I was told by someone who was higher in management at a couple insurance cos (not medical insurance, though), is they are crooked as a cat’s ass the further up you go, at the least the ones where he had worked. Bring in the most premiums you can, and deny as many claims as you can, and put an f’n duck or some clown on tv to make you think they’re “on your side” because they make you smile sometimes. It’s just a huge scam, along with pharmaceuticals, who also have the gov’t in their pockets, so I don’t see that getting fixed either.

          • ipsd48

            So you want to replace a socialist healthcare system with a socialist healthcare system. Just don’t GET it, do you.

          • bobnstuff

            I’m sorry but having the government make you buy insurance from private companies isn’t very socialist. I really don’t care what the system is as long as it works.

      • MikeS

        obamacare is what is killing medicare. Get rid of obamacare right now and Medicare can be repaired.

        • bobnstuff

          Medicares problem is they need more money to do the thing they are doing. If ten years ago the would have raised the with holding by half a percent everything would be fine today. If the raise the top level you have to pay into it by $50,000 dollars the problem would go away. You insurance company gets 20% to do what medicare does for 9%. Why do you think the insurance companies want to privatize it. Most business would be very happy to make 20% but the insurance industry wants much more and as long as the ACA limits them they will buy anyone they can to get rid of it. In case you didn’t know it the insurance industry is not losing money, take a look at their P&L statements. Look at the bonuses they pay. The ACA needs fixed or replaced with a program that works but we must not throw the baby out with the bath water. Who should you trust, a person who’s name you know and who you can vote out of office or a insurance company who’s only interest in you is your money. Before the ACA insurance agents did not have much respect and were look at with only slightly higher regard then car salesmen.

          • MikeS

            You are half right/half wrong. I will focus on the worst part. obamacare needs to die a quick and brutal death. Then, we fix whatever. obamacare is a destructive force designed to kill our Nation from inside. It needs to go quickly on day one regardless of anything else.

          • bobnstuff

            You have a boat, not a very good boat but it is still floating. You want to get rid of that boat before you get another even though you are in the middle of a lake. I read a lot from both right and left media and have never found proof that the ACA is costing jobs, never. There are a lot of stories saying it is but no facts to back them up. I have no problem with the republicans replacing the ACA but they need a plan NOW if they want to do it. They have had how many years to come up with a plan? The only thing the republicans in congress are good at is renaming post offices. First you get the new boat before you jump out of the old one.

          • MikeS

            You are in dreamland. obamacare needs to go today with no hesitation, boat or no boat. It is killing us by the day. Get a clue boo boo.

          • bobnstuff

            I’m not poor but if it wasn’t for the ACA my wife wouldn’t have insurance, thirty years ago she had he Thyroid removed and with out the ACA we would not be able to get insurance for her at any price. I had to stay working to get her coverage though my job even though I was retirement age. With the ACA we can get her insured. If you took the time to check out why the cost of medical insurance is going up you would find that the ACA is not the real reason. They were going up before the ACA at a fast rate and will go up even faster once the ACA is gone if something isn’t done to control costs. I’m not saying the ACA is all that great but no ACA without a replacement will be much worse. Before the ACA the number one cause for personal bankruptcy was medical bills. When a company has to write off money how do you think pays the bill?

          • MikeS

            Again, you are half right/half wrong. Your wife needs help. obamacare is the wrong way to get it. obamacare makes all the problems you cite worse for everyone. As costs continue to escalate in obamacare, who do you think is paying the bills. It adds to problems we already have and takes advantage of a weakness in our Country to help ruin us. obamacare needs to go 1st and foremost. It is actually preventing us from solving the real healthcare problems we have and accelerating national bankruptcy. Kill it. Then, start looking at how to fix Medicare. Then, fix Medicaid. But, KILL IT!

          • bobnstuff

            I don’t guess you have read any of the reports that point out that it national debt goes up without the ACA not down. This bill saves the government money. Go look at the reports. Cost will continue to go up with or without the ACA because the costs of medical services keep going up. Our system of healthcare is the worst system on the planet, it costs more and gives less then any other countries. As a good old school Republican I want the most value from my dollar. our present system doesn’t give me that. The ACA helped a little by limiting how bad the insurance industry can rip you off but I don’t like the fact that other countries get better services for half the cost. I really don’t care what system we have as long as I get good healthcare at the best cost. You do know the heath of the country is important to everyone, sick people don’t contribute to our GDP. The ACA wasn’t created for the very poor, it was created for everyone else, even those with real money.

          • MikeS

            Read it all. All points to kill obamacare now and quickly. There are much better solutions to our debt issues.

      • gerald Hughes

        You know, we really do get tired of you scum, no, that is not right, we have become tired of you parasItes.
        When I w as about 20, I realized that some day I would want to quit working, I started saving money, then.
        Then along comes the ticks, you and the rest of the worthless liberal dem bloodsuckers.
        You are a fool if you have allowed yourself to become dependent on the the government to take care of you.

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