Republicans Waver On Repealing Obamacare Taxes…

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February 12, 2017

Paul RyanWASHINGTON — Republicans love cutting taxes, especially if they were authored by a president named Barack Obama. But as they push their wobbly effort to erase his health care overhaul, they’re divided over whether to repeal the levies the law imposed to finance its expanded coverage for millions of Americans.

It’s a trillion-dollar dilemma – actually closer to $1.1 trillion. That’s the 10-year price tag the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office puts on revenue the government would lose if the law’s taxes on wealthy people, the insurance and pharmaceutical industries and others were eliminated.

Republicans and President Donald Trump have been edging away from their promise to quickly eliminate Obama’s entire law. Still, annulling its taxes would be a partial victory and is irresistible for many GOP lawmakers and the conservative voters at the core of their support.

“We should do full repeal,” said Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, a leading House conservative. “And full repeal means not taking the taxes” from people.

Yet voiding those levies erases a mammoth war chest Republicans would love to have – and may well need – as they try replacing Obama’s law. It’s a major rift GOP leaders face as they try crafting a health care package that can pass Congress.

208 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • Roy Fredrichsen says:

    Obamacare is collapsing on its own since more hospitals and insurance companies are refusing to honor it.

  • BOC says:

    There will be a need to primary many of the Republicans in 2018. Many are just the same side of different coins as related to their brethren across the aisle. Obama and his cronies did a great job of attaching this to many parts as it relates to our government and unraveling it will be take a yeoman’s effort by those that truly wanting this disaster repealed.

    Also, Soros money grabbers such as Ryan, Graham, McCain along with other so-called Republicans are going to make this tough road to hoe.

    When the actual number of individuals added to roles of the insured adds up to around 13 million (the numbers shown at 30+ million include people who had coverage, but lost it when this albatross was foisted upon a public that wanted no part of it) this is another government disaster up there with the likes of Medicare Part B, No Child Left Behind, Common Core and vetting of the poor Syrian Refugees.
    Draining the swamp isn’t exclusive to the left, but to those on the right as well. The current behavior of the left will take care of itself with the election cycle in two years, but it will also require removing Ryan and the rest of the elites on the right as well.

  • The Redhawk says:

    COME ON RYAN You freaks have had EIGHT YEARS to get this REPLACEMENT DONE >> you tried to destroy it 47 times >> where is the REPLACEMENT??? .. Get off your ASS and GIT IT DONE!

  • justinwachin says:

    The taxes should not be repealed until the rest of the law is sacked. Repealing the taxes will shift the burden for the subsidized and free health care onto the taxpayers.

  • Pete Bundy says:

    The republicans have had over six years to come up with a replacement plan. They took the house in 2010 and the senate in 2012. There should have been a plan in place ready for review by this new administration but it seems to be missing. So what have they been doing for the last six years? My guess is now that Trump is POTUS and Dr Price is now in we will have this mess cleaned up in the not to distant future. I have called my representatives and told them they have two years and not to waste time. The dems are coming out in full force to oppose Trump any way they can.

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  • Richard Frick says:

    Don’t let the Libers suck you in the way Obama and Pelosi did when this shell game was enacted. Intimidation and name calling by the libs is an Obama game. You know that the act was wrong from the start and Obama put his name on the unknown because he still doesn’t have the slightest idea what is in it. You all tagged enough Pork in the Act to sink the World, for your selfish interests and your promises to your lobbyist brothers. Obama slipped in Michells classmate for design IN CANADA to a firm that sucked your brains out but gave you crap to replace them. The “SWAMP” is polluted and failure to start cleaning it is unacceptable. Anything less than full abolishment is an endless pit of corruption. Are you Americans or are you just more libs in sheets clothing trying to suck in acceptance by the libs. Get it done or get out. We the people will not stop working until we have removed all of the entitlements that you granted yourselves at OUR expense.

  • ruthinindiana says:

    It is time to call our Republican Representatives in both houses and tell them enough is enough. Quit raping the American taxpayer and repeal Obamacare. Or else they go next. We didn’t vote for Trump because he was Republican. We will dump them all!

  • Netencho says:

    AMERICA!! Sorry to Burst Your Bubble….But the Damage has already been done. Whether you Appeal, Repeal, Subpeal, or Peal…. You and this country is F….U…..C……K…..E…..D! Here is why…either way…. your money is being taken.. to the cleaners. This just came Out.. MERRY CHRISTMAS!! THE FAT LADY JUST FINISHED…… SINGING!!
    Court Ruling That Feds Owe Obamacare Insurer Could Leave Gov’t On Hook For Billions
    An Oregon insurer got a leg up in a court ruling in an ongoing battle over whether the federal government owes billions to insurers who volunteered to participate in Obamacare exchanges and lost money.
    A U.S. Court of Federal Claims ruled Thursday evening that the federal government owes Moda Health $214 million in risk corridor payments as promised by the Affordable Care Act. Over a dozen similar lawsuits have been filed against the government, but this the first win for an insurer, according to Axios.
    Moda is one of several insurance companies currently suing the U.S. over the payments they believe were promised as part of the arrangements for participating in offering health insurance plans on Obamacare exchanges across the country. While Moda’s request was relatively small at $214 million, the total amount that insurers are owed under the risk corridor program has reached $8.3 billion, according to Modern Healthcare.
    By offering subsidized coverage to anyone, including those with pre-existing conditions, insurers were concerned that Obamacare customers would be sicker than the average customer and more costly to insure. The health care law’s risk corridor program was one of several ways to limit insurers’ risk on the exchanges and encourage them to offer products.
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    Under the program, the Department of Health and Human Services would collect funds from insurers with lower-than-expected claims and redistribute them to companies with higher claims. Obamacare regulations specified that those with claims less than 97 percent of their target would pay into the program, while those with 103 percent of the target claims would be able to receive funds.
    Problems quickly arose when not enough insurers were profitable enough on the exchanges to pay into the program, and there wasn’t enough money to go around.
    The program is now seriously underwater. In 2014, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) was able to make just 12.5 percent of the promised payments for the year, paying out $362 million when insurers had requested $2.87 billion in all.
    “Whether under statute or contract, the Court finds that the Government made a promise in the risk corridors program that it has yet to fulfill. Today, the Court directs the Government to fulfill that promise,” Judge Thomas Wheeler wrote in the order. “After all, to say to [Moda], ‘The joke is on you. You shouldn’t have trusted us,’ is hardly worthy of our great government.”
    CMS argues that the program was intended to be budget-neutral; insurers counter that they were promised the funds if they participated in the exchanges, and the government owes them the money whether it comes from other insurance companies or taxpayer dollars.
    The price tag for the dispute could end up figuring into the tens of millions, according to University of Michigan law professor Nicholas Bagley. After just two years, the risk corridor program is already short $8.3 billion, and if things keep going in the same direction, “total liability will certainly exceed $10 billion, and will probably be closer to $15 billion,” Bagley wrote in a blog post on the case Friday.
    While Thursday’s ruling is a win for Moda, it’s not the final say in the matter. The issue is likely to be decided by a federal appeals court, as different courts have come to different conclusions on the matter. (RELATED: House Files Lawsuit Against Obamacare Bailout Of Insurance Companies)
    In November of last year, a federal claims court dismissed a similar lawsuit brought by an Illinois co-op, Land of Lincoln, ruling that the company was not entitled to the $73 million in risk corridor payments that it expected. Land of Lincoln is currently appealing the decision, and that appeals court ruling will likely determine where insurers go from here.
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  • Cadfael says:

    If they’d like to extend their stay in Looney Town on the Potomac they had better stick with the program and get rid of the Unaffordable Healthcare Act Crime Against The American Public in its entirety; and they had better get with it soon before this law,written by morons with moronic and malicious intent, costs the American taxpayer more and causes more anguish this tax season!

  • Ray says:

    President Trump promised repeal of Obamacare. Anything short of total repeal is failure of his most basic promise. Instead of replacing, get the insurance companies to provide a synopsis of the policies it can or will offer after repeal. Also get the sale across borders enacted and make sure insurance companies can offer customized coverage and catastrophic coverage. It costs insurance companies almost nothing to keep at home or college kids on parents’ coverage until age 26.

  • Ah nutz says:

    NO MORE ‘WAVERING – BUTT BOYS. = DO AS PROMISED -OVER&OVER.

  • Mike Thomas says:

    Taxes? We were told this was not a tax! Now they are saying it is a tax, for what? So Muslims will still be exempt from having to be taxed, as the original bill stated. Please go to Google and look up page 107, Obama Care and you will find out what I am saying. Only the infidels are required to participate in Obama Care.

  • Kenneth Licker says:

    If they fail at this, we will have a one term president with a Democrat in the White House in 4 years

  • Jose says:

    I could have used the VA when I was working after retirement from the military but have to wait for months and months for a routine check up or having to sit there for hours (more than 6) just to be seen for the flu/cold/other non-emergency problem or maybe even for an “emergency” situation, I chose to pay for health insurance through my civilian employer. It was not cheap nor very expense but I would rather pay and be able to go see a doctor right away and within an hour than to get it free and have to wait hours/days/months to be treated.
    Point being: If you want service right now, you need to pay at little bit more.

  • Tiger says:

    SIGH………………………………I get so tired of this. They will get this done, it is in the works, if they defy the people Trump will name them and they will not be re-elected. Don’t you people know that Trump is against the world and the RINO many payed by Soros and McCain has taken contributions from him since 2001. Also remember the RINO went against Trump and only backed him when the RNC leader said back him or forget ever becoming president.

    Trump is fulfilling promises daily and his enemies are Pandora’s box, locked inside with t heir Deep State and Trump is prying it open.

  • JQcitizen says:

    Several plans have been proposed by Republicans. New appointee Price should, and probably will, insist than all the plans be reviewed by a
    committee composed of congress members, state insurance commissioners, insurance agency reps, doctors, and knowledgeable citizens with the goal of replacing Obamacare with a competitive market oriented plan with a safety net for those unable to afford a plan due to pre-existing conditions or with financial problems. It is time that Congress wrap their arms around the problem and stop trying to avoid the work of getting the job done.

  • maxx says:

    Even though we have a president with a spine, we are still saddled with even one too many GOP Rino elitists. The GOP still needs to be taught a lesson they will never forget. Work to abolish the GOP as a political party. It is a party of traitors and betrayals. Bankrupt them and unelect every single Rino.

  • mudguy1 says:

    If the GOP fails to repeal ALL of Obamacare this year they will lose the Senate in 2018. As Forest Gump would say “Stupid is what stupid dose”

  • CBUJAN says:

    They are dragging their asses.

  • Richard Bagenstose says:

    if they can fine you for not buying insurance what else can they fine you for not buying , this isn’t america ,how about they fine you for not buying ivankas clothing , the tax , fine , or what ever you want to call it is illegal

  • jake mccollum says:

    Doesn’t matter which side of the aisle a politician just can’t pass up a tax.

  • Webb says:

    Repeal ObamaCare Entirely…put the 700 million dollars back into Medicare and Wipe out any Taxes!
    Social Security…repeal taxing it! Quit putting funds taxed and taken from our paychecks into the General Treasury!
    Put S/S into a real Trust Fund…
    Built the Wall on our Borders, regardless of cost…Its time to Honor Promises of Solving our immigration problem!
    As for Our National Debt of $20 Trillion Dollars, If Congress doesn’t care, Republicans or Democrats, for me personally I am too going to tske on the same attitude…Our next step will be National Bankruptcy of The USA!
    ☆☆☆

    1. DrBillLemoine says:

      You do realize that financing Medicare doesn’t help those not of retirement age, don’t you? And you must know that many doctors don’t take Medicare patients because reimbursements are lower than fees, right? The small amount of medicare and Obamacare taxes you pay are not the problem. The problem is too few healthy subscribers to pay the bills because Republican governors opposed healthcare exchanges.
      I agree that taxes should not be spent on frivolous projects but that means fewer jobs for infrastructure that you want.
      Walls don’t keep out tunnel diggers or hidden drugs in most cars/trucks. Drug users in 48 states provide demand that MX criminals will supply; that includes sex traffickers because your neighbors are pedophiles or sex fiends or philanderers. Sovereign America will not go bankrupt with any such debt. Families everywhere take on much more debt in housing and cars and don’t go bankrupt. Keep it real.

      1. Webb says:

        Bill…It’s all real.

  • DrBillLemoine says:

    The entire problem with Affordable Healthcare Act (Obamacare for those who don’t know) is the financing. Sick people galore signed up for their very first health insurance bringing big expenses from pre-existing conditions now being fixed. That takes lots of money to cure, money that must come from somewhere. Government subsidies from the ‘tax charge’ to uninsured Americans is one source. Better coverage reducing health problems hence costs is another. Higher medical costs paid from insurers that comes from their profits is another. Expanding the base of premiums with more subscribers is another. Higher premiums paid by customers is the last one. Several of these factors must be addressed by Republicans and insurers who fund their campaigns to stabilize the program that won’t go away without killing many folks who would lose all coverage.
    Republicans don’t want to pay more from taxes; they can’t take the pressure from healthcare providers who face higher costs and lower profits; they want to keep relative monopolies of state bound insurance companies who can’t cross the political lines; simply buying political races doesn’t improve costs, reduce claims or enhance company circumstances. So it’s a question of getting more healthy subscribers and Republicans don’t want universal or government sponsored healthcare nationwide. So there’s the pickle. People want the better healthcare; Republicans don’t want taxes to pay for it; people can’t afford the higher premiums and copays nor want limited coverages or caps on services.
    Western democracies have fairly uniformly adopted universal healthcare as a right of their populations. When Republicans come around that that populist and left-leaning policy decision, Obamacare will get its fix. No other option is viable to prevent higher governmental expenses AND higher premiums. The healthy must subsidize the sick, or government must pay.

  • Dee says:

    We Desperatly Need More Outsiders to run against people like Ryan , McCain , Graham , and the rest of these Rino Bums ! Unfortunately Ryan and McCain were just reelected so we’re stuck for 4 more years with those Bums . Any of these Rinos in office fighting Trump on any level have to go . We elected Trump to get things done and they are Not doing that .

    1. DrBillLemoine says:

      Just who do you think in Trump’s administration can ‘get things done’ for middle Americans? Price in HHS is an inside stock trader, illegal for you and me. He opposes healthcare like ACA that saves your neighbors’ lives. Mnuchin in Treasury is from Goldman Sacs which deals only with big investors, not us peons. Wilbur Ross the billionaire can’t relate to you and me living on tiny incomes. Rex Tillerson is a Putin pal and big oilman, not familiar with you and me as roustabouts on rigs. Security advisor Flynn is cozy with Russian oligarchs, not the anti-communists like us. Betsy DeVos has never worked in public education as head of Education Department. And on and on. These are the swamp monsters you thought would drain the swamp–lots’a luck with that.
      Then we have the fraidy-cat congress afraid of not being reelected to their cushy jobs doing nothing for us on legislation to get higher wages, higher minimum pay, equal pay, better working conditions that unions once did. You oppose unions–that’s why your pay doesn’t increase much. Congress wants to deregulate Wall St. Dodd-Frank laws–that will put banks into the risky business again of gambling our deposits that produced a crash in 2008. Like banning Muslims EOs of Trump–you support lawbreaking, non-constitutional actions that will sink our country’s freedoms and personal rights. Time to wake up and vote progressive candidates into office, pragmatists who will get things done, not ideologues at either political extreme. Time for the Average American to get representation.

      1. gvette says:

        The crash in 08 was a direct result of your boy Billys housing failure. Bill, you can twist it anyway you want, but the truth is the truth.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          So for seven years when Bush 43 was in power nothing was done to fix the problem but it was Clinton’s fault. In fact was Newt Gingrich the one who took credit for the deregulation till it went south.

          1. gvette says:

            Here’s an interesting article.
            the truth, and timeline of the bubble that burst in the bush presadency

          2. bobnstuff says:

            You link didn’t work. For some time before the crash we know that there was a problem but no one stopped it did they?

          3. bobnstuff says:

            So Clinton made some mistakes but then for the next seven years even after everyone could see the problem nothing was done. bush 43 didn’t even try to stop the run a way market he add gas to the fire by cutting taxes so not only was the private sector over spending but so was the government. It’s easy to blame some one for a problem but those that stand by and do nothing to fix it gets the blame also. By the way when Clinton was loosening the regulation many people pointed out that it was a mistake on both sides. Once Obama come into office he put restrictions on Wall St. and the banks to proven the problem coming back. Now Trump is trying to get rid of those restrictions. The very people who helped create the problems are not in charge.

          4. gvette says:

            Ahh yes, your pal Barry. He fixed things alright. Doubling our debt. Now the unfunded debt is somewhere in the neighborhood of 124 trillion.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Once again you think Obama could spend money. Where in the constitution does it give the president the power to spend a dime. All money goes through congress and all money bills start in the Republican held house.

          6. gvette says:

            Well you see, that’s part of the problem. Barry spent money that congress didn’t ok. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/23/report-obama-gave-221-million-palestinians-last-hours/

          7. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry but even if the propaganda says it it doesn’t make it so.

            “Congress had initially approved the Palestinian funding in budget years 2015 and 2016, but at least two GOP lawmakers — Ed Royce of California, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Kay Granger of Texas, who sits on the House Appropriations Committee — had placed holds
            on it over moves the Palestinian Authority had taken to seek membership in international organizations. Congressional holds are generally respected by the executive branch but are not legally binding after
            funds have been allocated.”

            http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-01-26/state-department-reviewing-221m-in-funds-obama-administration-gave-to-palestinians-in-final-hours

          8. bobnstuff says:

            Why do I have to keep pointing out that it’s congress that spends the money not the President. Read the constitution.

          9. gvette says:

            Oh please Bob. stop with Barry, and the constitution.
            Read this, and by the way, there are more.
            http://thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-violate-constitution-says-trump-will-disrespect/

          10. bobnstuff says:

            Read the constitution, you will see who can and can’t spend money. Show anytime that Obama spent a dime that wasn’t given to him by congress. The debt is congress, 100%. All the money Obama spent was on the books.

          11. gvette says:

            You didn’t read what I sent. Your nigger stomped all over the constitution.

          12. bobnstuff says:

            I did read it but I was nice to you and did push the BS alarm since 80% is just that. You did notice that even your list didn’t say he spent money without it being in the budget. You will also notice that even though the court is 5 to 4 against him the SCOTUS was very nice to him.

          13. gvette says:

            I get that. The reason I sent what I sent, was the fact you keep talking about the constitution. I sent what i sent, to let you know, your nigger never cared about our constitution.

        2. DrBillLemoine says:

          Think about it. Banks loaned money to unqualified buyers for mortgages. Remember ‘robo’ and ‘no-docs’ mortgages? When the banks went belly up, people lost jobs and couldn’t pay their mortgages–that’s the housing failure. Blame deregulated Wall St. banks–that’s Republicans not Clinton.

          1. maxx says:

            Yes indeed. Blame Wall St. Banks. Who was in the W.H. hen Glass- Stiegel was abolished? Do you even know what Glass-Stiegel was? Bill Clinton was the president and Glass-Stiegel was the law that prevented banks from playing fast and lose with bank customers money. So put the blame where it belongs, rich democrats that wanted to use customers money for risky investment schemes and Bill Clinton helped them do it. You really are a liberal moron.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Eight years after Clinton left office and no one fixed the problem. In fact they made it worse.

          3. DrBillLemoine says:

            Aren’t you forgetting that Republicans were in charge of lawmaking in congress for most of Clinton’s terms? They could have taken action but didn’t. They wanted deregulation then as now and in 2008 we suffered plenty, right up till today for base Republican workers.
            So you want Glass-Stiegel but not Dodd-Frank; doesn’t make sense–contradictory thinking. And it’s laughable you think Democrats control Wall St. banks, when they really supported Citizens United for Republicans to take control. Few Democrats are on Wall St. I was invited right out of grad school and declined to service fat cats for a living. Money isn’t my goal in life like yours.

          4. maxx says:

            Never said anything about Dodd-Frank but I did this time to remind you who signed it. But since you liberals are still blaming Bush for things he never did I can blame Clinton for approving the repeal of Glass-Stiegel. And the other disaster causing enormous economic terrorism was Dodd-Frank signed into law by your idol Bath House Barry. Just the fact that you felt compelled to state ” Money isn’t my goal in life like yours” tells me a lot. No dumocRats in Wall Street? What rock have you been hiding under? Then there is the folks in Hollywierd. Liberal and extremely wealthy and believing people care a rats a$$ about what they think. Pure delusion.

          5. DrBillLemoine says:

            Think. No president can repeal any laws. Guess who can.

          6. Webb says:

            Mortgages ask Bill Clinton and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd…
            Democrats pushed Every one should OWN a home…
            FannieMae and FreddieMac…

          7. DrBillLemoine says:

            If you ever got a mortgage, you know they have metrics and approval layers to grant that big money. If you bank didn’t abide the standards, it’s not the homeowners fault. I’m also referring to deregulation that frees banks again to make risky investments with depositors’ money, different from tangible property with contracts governing. For national stability I think everyone who wants should own their home. But within limits the banks usually secure. There is always the chance of ‘irrational exuberance’ as Greenspan said.

  • teaman says:

    Paul Ryan, the RINO who took over $10,000 from George Soros-ass and he had change his tune. There were a total of 12 Repub-A-Flub RINOs who accepted bribes from Soros-ass, such as Graham and McCain. This is the kind of crap Trump is up against!

    1. Dee says:

      Get a full list of Anyone who accepted monies from Soros out there so we can Get them Out !

      1. teaman says:

        Soros gave $202,700 to Republican presidential candidate John Kasich, making Soros one of the Kasich campaign’s top funders, according to a Feb. 5 report by WorldNetDaily (WND).s

        House Speaker Paul Ryan’s campaign received $10,800 from Soros, the same amount the billionaire invested in Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s campaign.

        Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina received $3,500 in donations from Soros Fund Management employees, according to the Center for Responsive Politics data. That includes $1,500 from Soros Fund Management executive Scott Bessent.

        Other Republican congressional recipients of past Soros
        contributions, according to the WND report, included Sen. John McCain of Arizona ($2,500); Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida ($2,700); Rep. Joe Heck on Nevada ($2,700); Rep. John Boehner of Ohio ($2,600); Rep. Ed Royce of
        California ($2,500); Rep. Carlos Curbelo of Florida ($1,000); Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa ($1,000); Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin ($1,000); Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington ($1,000); and Rep. Dan Donovan of New York ($300).

        http://www.worldtribune.com/list-of-shame-here-are-the-republicans-who-took-soros-funding/

    2. maxx says:

      Actually it is we the voters that are the problem. Conservatives know what Rino’s do. They vote like a democrat. So why do we not fight tooth and nail to rid the Republican Party of these people. If we were to threaten the Republican with bankruptcy maybe they would do something. But the GOP Establishment will not do anything to give up the power they have. We the people must do it for them.

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Here’s a little fact for you, These so called RINOs are the republican party, not the ultra right. These people have been serving the country and building the party for a very long time and they have enough support to keep being elected by both the party and the votes in general. They are the Republican party and it’s you and your kind that need to leave and build your own little party. You joined the party you didn’t create it so why should the party change to make you happy?

        1. maxx says:

          Here’s a little fact for you. You don’t know anything about me except I a not a liberal. I belong to no party, never have and never will. I support no party financially. If there was a dumocRat that actually operated within my conservative ideology I would have no problem voting for them. The problem is the dumocRat party is gone. It is the Socialist Party of America that is now calling itself the dumocRat party. Even Norman M. Thomas admitted it in the 1960’s.

  • MikeS says:

    Full immediate repeal is the only way to do it correctly. Anything else is political politics as usual and stalling to try to keep my money. Jim Jordan is correct. All who oppose him still do not want to do what is right or what the voter wants. Those obstinate rhinos need to be purged from government.

  • mjlong1967@gmail.com says:

    MEMBERS OF THE GOP SHOULD BE REPEALED AT THE NEXT ELECTION
    STARTING WITH RYAN..

  • bobnstuff says:

    Here is the problem, The Republicans and most of all the President makes promises without thinking them through. They promised to cut taxes and spend more money while keeping the budget balanced and cutting the deficit. On top of it we have been promised a healthcare bill that will protect everyone and cut costs healthcare costs for everyone. Finally add $23 billion just to build the Wall. The math just doesn’t work. This isn’t the first time the Republicans have gotten into this problem so you would think they would have learned. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. If you want to see who the responsible one are look at the ones that don’t cut taxes until they see just how much money is going to be needing. Fiscal responsibility once was the hallmark of the Republican party but that was back in the old days before Reagan.

    1. Dee says:

      And after the MASSIVE DEBT OBUMMER ADDED it’s just about impossible to get out of , I’m sure this was just another plan the traitor had in mind while adding it all up !

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Just when did the President get the power of the purse? The debt has to be laid at the feet of congress. The only big bill he got through was the ACA which the republicans are now having trouble repealing because of it will increase the debt if they get rid of it. Isn’t it interesting how people blame the President for the budget when the ones he has sent to Congress have been DOA.

    2. NM Leon says:

      Here is the problem. You lost the election, get over it.

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Clinton lost the vote in the electoral college, not the popular vote. Get over it. That being said all I want is for Trump to stand by his word and create a betters healthcare law that gives better care at a affordable price. He said he would. There are a lot of other promises he made, lower taxes better roads, a stronger military, jobs, an end to the divided country. We were also promised a government that would follow the constitution, no more EO’s trying to create law. All I want is all the good thing he promised in his first 100 days.

        1. NM Leon says:

          The popular vote doesn’t make any difference. Get over it.

          Don’t complain about his 1st hundred days until day 101.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            When you say that more people support him and that it’s the will of the people then it does make a difference. More Americans voted in favor of Clinton and there for supported the ACA . 47% isn’t a mandate. Right now we have the gang that couldn’t shot straight in the White House. Congress is doing what the Republicans do best, nothing. Trump needs to through out Bannon, Conway and Priebus and hire some people who know what they are doing. His own staff doesn’t trust him or his inner circle. One of the corner stones of his campaign was the immigration ban. You would think he would have had a well thought out plan on how to do it long before he even took office. He’s been saying he was going to do it for over a year. Instead he throws together at the last minute the EO that is blocked. There was no reason he couldn’t have written one that would have worked, he still can. He should have had the order checked by lawyers and experts in constitutional law before he signed it. What you don’t do is blame others for your mistakes. Attacking the judge who is in fact defending the constitution is not how adults handle things. If Trump doesn’t get his act together some it will be a long few years.

            You seem to think that only Trump supporters want to keep the country safe. Guess what you are wrong. The difference is amazingly enough is the moderates and the left want it done with compassion and while honoring the rule of law. Three years ago the Senate passed an immigration reform bill with bipartisan support. The House didn’t even look at it. Two years ago Obama went to congress asking for help in closing the border and dealing with a surge of people crossing the border but once again the House did nothing and in fact went on vacation. A while back we found two terrorist made it into the country so Obama tightened the visa process. Right now it takes 18 months to two years to get into the country with a 21 step review. Trump doesn’t believe that it’s enough but have you seen any plan on how he will improve it? He has only been talking about it for a year and a half. Trump has been talking about all the great things he will do for the country but has made no plans on how he will do them. Congress has been repealing the ACA for six years but never had the replacement ready to go. This isn’t how you get things done. At one time the Democrats were the dreamers and the Republicans were the ones that could put it together and get things done. That party is pretty much gone and has been replaced by the stupid party, the hate party, and the just say no to everything party. I want my we can make it work for everyone party back.

          2. NM Leon says:

            “Attacking the judge who is in fact defending the constitution is not how adults handle things.”

            Actually the judge didn’t reference the Constitution at all. Wa and Mn claimed that they would be financially harmed by the travel ban. The judge (who does pro bono work for refugees, no bias there) found that they 1. Had standing to bring the suit and 2. That they had a good chance of winning the suit, and so he issued a TRO while the suit is heard. The 9th Circus found that the judge was within his right to issue the TRO. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/02/04/read-washington-judges-ruling-trumps-immigration-ban/97484850/

            18 months, 24 months 120 months, it makes no difference if we cannot access the needed databases or if they don’t exist. THAT is in fact the distinguishing factor of the 7 countries in the travel ban.

            My recommendation would be to suspend issuing any new visas at all from anywhere until we review the entire system. We could make exceptions on a cases by case basis.

            I would basically not allow refugees into the country at all.

            We bear a legal responsibility to help care for refugees, http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/protection/basic/3b66c2aa10/convention-protocol-relating-status-refugees.html , but we have ZERO responsibility to let them into our country. https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/first-asylum-country/

            Provide Trump’s “Safe Zones” over there and be done with it.

            I’m sure the Trump administration is eagerly awaiting your input, why don’t you email them president@whitehouse.gov

  • otoman says:

    Ryan just needs to be voted out in the next election. He is no different than Boehner and a TRAITOR to America. Wouldn’t doubt another Soros puppet.

  • randy jackson says:

    Repeal & replace just like the dumba$$ returdlicans promised to do.
    Personally I think term limits are equal to or more important than the O-care issue.
    Draining the swamp means flushing out all the old water and replacing it with new.
    Send all the RINO’s (like McCain, Graham, McConnell, etc) home!

  • The_Frog_Prince says:

    I suggest they do exactly what they said they would do during the campaign. Just a suggestion… Th average American is mad enough already.

    1. bobnstuff says:

      They can’t do what they promised in their campaigns because they didn’t have any plans on how to do it and no one gave them a magic wand. For six years they have been putting up bills to repeal the ACA but never bothered to come up with a plan on how to do it. Trump plans to spend a lot of money and defense, infrastructure and in fact healthcare. If he was a Democrat the Republicans would force him to cut money from other places to do this but as a Republican he doesn’t have to.

      1. The_Frog_Prince says:

        Not exactly true. The new HHS Secretary has been working on a replacement, market based plan for quite some time. The Demwits slow walked his nomination but he’s at work now. Stay tuned. I keep hearing that disinformation that they have no plan but there are plans floating but no consensus plan has been adopted.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          So you honestly believe that over the last 6 years the republicans have been working on a plan? Only since November has anyone truly been working on it. Most even now haven’t a clue on what to do or even the roots of the problem. Trump ran for over a year with nothing on his web sight on how to fix the problem. We have a market based plan right now and look at how well it worked out. As of right now the Republican plan is still don’t get sick.

          1. The_Frog_Prince says:

            What I have no doubt about is you having your facts straight.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Price hasn’t addressed the main problems with the ACA and that is the cost of healthcare and the the fact that Insurance companies only want to sell to low risk people.

          3. Retired says:

            Did you read the 2700 pages of garbage or are you being like Peelosi ??

          4. bobnstuff says:

            My reading it or not has no relevance here, We are now repealing it and replacing it with a very good law, one that takes care of everyone, Trump promised. Price has job cut out for him. So far he hasn’t dealt with the true problem here, the real cost of healthcare.

          5. Retired says:

            You are forgetting the 2700 pages and what is in it , maybe you should read them to find out why it can not just be repealed , but then you think like Peelosi. The real cost of health care is due to regulations set up by the Gov. Take the non profit away from the majorety of hospitals .and you will see a reduction of cost .

        2. maxx says:

          We don’t need a damn replacement. Health care is not a government issue. Not mentioned in the Constitution. No laws are needed. PERIOD. Repeal it and allow the insurance companies driven out of business to resurrect the policies they had with a few changes. That could be done in a matter of months. I worked for health care providers and it is not rocket science specifically because the government is involved. Repeal the law and let the private sector get back to work. This entire repeal and replace situation is government created B.S.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            My guess is you have either insurance through your employer or government insurance and have had it all the time. I say this because had you been buying real insurance before the ACA you wouldn’t be in such a hurry to go back to being at the mercy of the insurance companies. If you look at what the private sector has been doing even under the ACA you might notice that they are driven by one thing and one thing only, seeing just how much money they can squeeze out of the public and how little they can do in exchange.

          2. chw2000 says:

            Dear Bob, I did buy health insurance BEFORE the “ACA” went into effect. AND BOB, my premiums increased by over 80% thanks to ACA. Once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You just make up crap and put it on here just so you can read what you say and make yourself think you’re the “smartest kid in the room”. You’re not Bob.

          3. Retired says:

            Not only did premiums go up but now people have less coverage and more out of pocket expense .

          4. Retired says:

            You forget who created the monster of the insurance industry , just like everything else the Government stuck its nose into.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Had the government truly regulated the industry we wouldn’t have the mess we got. Can you name any other country that has a worse system. We pay to much and get to little. Try making an appointment to see a specialist. We called in December and they squeezed us in, in April. and that’s just for the test.

          6. Retired says:

            Get the Gov. out of health care along with the lawyers [ ambulance chasers ] and that will reduce the cost. The Reason it takes so long to get a Appointment is also thanks to the insurance industry , the high cost of malpractice insurance and long Hrs. many DR. face . so we are not getting enough new Dr. . It all goes back to the Insurance Industry.

          7. maxx says:

            Sorry to have to burst your delusional assumptive balloon but I never had employee provided insurance or government insurance. I was/am self employed which means I paid even more taxes than you did. No employer paid half of my SS and Medicare taxes. And since you know so little self employed folks pay “self employment tax” which is basically a penalty for wanting to work for oneself. Of course the insurance companies still in business are raping the people. If you owned a business that the government mandated everybody must purchase their product you would be happy to oblige. Note however, the insurance companies that were oh so eager to support the ACA and being part of the :exchanges” have been dropping like flies which was the whole purpose of ObamaCare; to force the country into single payer socialized medicine. Obama even made a speech where he admitted that very thing. It’s socialism at it’s best and most repressive.

          8. bobnstuff says:

            I spent thirty years self employed but I had my health insurance through my company and I had a great insurance agent. I got into a industry group and my insurance wasn’t bad back in the day. You should have had a better accountant and a better lawyer to set up your business. I lucked out on my first business in that I was in business with my brother and his wife’s family was heavy with lawyers. Through her brother in law we got a great lawyer and we incorporated. Best thing we could have done. I managed to stay with the same insurance for my next two businesses. It wasn’t till business number four that I had to go out and buy insurance on the open market. I bought a policy that covered very little and was very lucky that I never found out just how bad it was. As far as the self employment taxes I paid it without complaint. I got enough tax write offs from the business that I was still ahead in the long run. I really miss those tax write offs.

            The US is the only developed nation that has businesses paying for it’s employees heath insurance. It put us at a disadvantage. Figure what an employer puts out in costs that other countries employers don’t have to do.

            As far as the companies dropping out, it’s basically just two but they were everywhere. They were trying to black mail the government to let them merge by saying if they couldn’t merge they would drop out of the exchange and the government said no. This is just one of the problems with using private insurance companies. As a rule insurance companies are blood sucking rip off artists. They will try to suck you dry. As far as I’m concerned I would much rather deal with the IRS then any insurance company.

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        3. Retired says:

          Bobnstuff is always right Just Ask Him , he will set you strait ??

          1. The_Frog_Prince says:

            I recognized he is a loon right away.

          2. Retired says:

            Left one that pretends to be Republican.

      2. Retired says:

        You keep forgetting that ACA was 2700 pages of garbage that have to be cleaned up before something can even be brought forward, something you left wingers do not understand . As the SC ruled it was a tax and not a healthcare . Get the government out of making health care laws and allow Insurance to cross borders or districts.

        1. Tiger says:

          My friend our problems run so deep and the fight is so entrenched, it’s web so huge, it’s very existence so established God Help Us.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRFN5CfZuN0

        2. bobnstuff says:

          They don’t need to read the law to repeal it, They just need to write a replacement law that fixes the healthcare industry and provide healthcare to everyone who needs it at a price they can afford. As far as insurance company crossing borders, they do now if the market is big enough. All you are going to do is make a few companies even bigger and give worse service. In my area the two best health insurance companies are both local. Best prices and the best service.

          1. Retired says:

            There is more to the bill than you are willing to understand,

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Oh I understand that most of the bill could stand if the republicans wanted to fix it but they have to repeal it all because of the fuse they have made over it. The big problem for the Republicans is that if they repeal it they loose the taxes that pay for it and end up in the hole. Then if they want to pass their own bill it’s unfunded.

  • spokencitizen says:

    The tax mandate is the most harmful part of the damned law. It is the biggest once a year tax ever imposed on the public who can’t even afford the insurance …..Jesus ,,,get rid of it please

    1. DrBillLemoine says:

      The answer is universal healthcare where everybody pays a little. Get used to the idea.

      1. carpkiller says:

        Dr Bill, do you know anything of which you speak.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          How would you like to pay 20% less for you health insurance, right now, today. That what a universal healthcare system you do for you with out taking one thing from you. Instead of feeding profits to the insurance industry you would pay noticeably less to the government. The added bonus is the government at least has to pretend to care if you live or die.

          1. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

            How would you like to DIE waiting 8 months for non-elective surgery OR have to fly to another country and pay out of pocket to get it done sooner?

          2. bobnstuff says:

            And just why would that happen since we have 40% under government insurance right now and it’s not happening. I also guess you have never had your insurance company say no to you.

          3. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

            I paid my own Doctor bills without insurance for over 35 years. Others HAD the same option.
            ACA removed that option, took money that could’ve gone to my healthcare away and doubled what the plan(NOT insurance) i used cost. No sympathy/no empathy for those wanting European style deathcare!
            REPEAL the mandate NOW, keep the pre-existing condition requirement active and replace the bill in the next 6 months to a year. Those already covered would remain covered. Those of us not wishing to be taxed for something we don’t want and refuse to use will be vindicated!

          4. NM Leon says:

            We voted the possibility of your system down last November. Get over it.

          5. NM Leon says:

            Bullschitte. Talk to the Canadians who come here for healthcare. Talk to the British who die in filthy hospitals unless they can afford Harley St Docs.

          6. bobnstuff says:

            Here is something I ran into the other day. It would seem that when a person comes into the US they are asked the reason for their visit and the number that say healthcare services is very small. http://www.businessinsider.com/ivanka-trump-donald-trump-immigration-report
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/07/01/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-canadian-health-care-in-one-post/?utm_term=.0fb46350bb7a

      2. maxx says:

        Where in the Constitution does it say the government is responsible or authorized to provide health care or health insurance? That would be nowhere except maybe in some socialist country. In case you never studied history the United States of America is not a socialist country and the 2016 election said so loud and clear.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

          I think keeping us alive and healthy would fall under Promote general welfare.

          1. NM Leon says:

            We the people of the United States voted your bullschitte down last November. Get over it, you lost.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            In fact only 47% voted for this and they were promised Repeal and replace.

          3. NM Leon says:

            Actually only 25.5% if you want to be technical, and repeal and replace is the plan.

          4. bobnstuff says:

            At this point repeal and replace is all we have but the replace must come with the repeal. This should have been put together years ago but we elected a bunch of idiots to Congress. Had the Republicans not tried to hang Obama with the ACA by naming it Obamacare and refusing to fix it we could be over with this and have a working healthcare system right now. Much of the ACA will be in what ever bill the Republicans come up with. Even Trump has said that there are things that we need to keep. Personal I still some type of single payer plan would be the best choice, not because I’m a socialist but because I like things that work and I really hate dealing with the blood suckers in the insurance industry.

          5. NM Leon says:

            Why would the Republicans want to “fix” a law that not a single one of them supported?

            Obozo “hung” himself with the appellation when he worked so hard and lied so much to sell it, though he never got a majority to support it. In the most recent poll, more are against single payer (44%) than are for it (40%) http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/questions/pt_survey_questions/december_2012/questions_health_care_exchanges_december_10_11_2012

            If you like things that “work” you probably want to keep government out of it as much as possible. Everywhere single-payer has been implemented the overall quality of care and time to treatment has suffered.
            http://stats.oecd.org//Index.aspx?QueryId=49344

            https://www.statista.com/statistics/282401/density-of-magnetic-resonance-imaging-units-by-country/

            The “blood sucking” insurance industry is largely a myth. The insurance industry is possibly the most highly regulated in the country with profits limited by law. Your premiums are NOT Insurers profits. Profit is derived by investing the premiums in “Prudent Man” (No Risk) investments. Premiums by law have to very closely match benefits paid. To raise your premiums the insurer has to go to the state regulators and plead their case showing that premiums aren’t covering costs. ALL costs have to be covered by premiums meaning that ultimately all costs are shared by all policy holders (why it’s called MUTUAL insurance). That ultimate truth pertains whether it’s private insurers paying from premiums or the government paying from taxes, the difference being that government is historically less efficient at any enterprise.

            The ideal system for most people, me included, would be one where the consumer gets the tax break instead of the employer, risk pools are allowed to be nationwide (larger risk pools mean lower costs because risk can be more accurately defined), and catastrophic insurance is all that’s required, and tax advantaged HSAs are allowed. People would pay for small stuff out of their pocket or HSA with any unforeseen major stuff taken care of by the catastrophic policy.

            Call me cold hearted, but I personally balk at the idea that I should pay for your Diabetes and Congestive Heart Disease treatment caused by your poor lifestyle choices.

        2. DrBillLemoine says:

          Ever read the ‘preamble’? It says government promotes the general welfare–that’s healthcare when millions were being shut out of decent coverage by private health corporations. Remember ‘no preexisting conditions’; how about ‘caps on expenses’; etc? ALL western civilized nations provide healthcare as a right. What makes you think we are different, like a dictatorship, or corporate plutocracy? The very phrasing you overlook is ‘socialist’. And only 40% of the country voted for your idea, if that many.

          1. NM Leon says:

            What makes me think we are different is that we the people voted your bullschitte out last November. You lost…get over it.

      3. NM Leon says:

        We the people voted otherwise last November. Get used to the idea.

  • A natural born American says:

    It seems that BO (before obamacare) people had to choose between eating and paying their bills. AO (after obamacare) people were forced to choose between paying their bills and paying obamacare — to hell with eating. Michelle always did accuse us of being too fat anyhow, isn’t that why she put our children on starvation diets?

    1. DrBillLemoine says:

      Those ‘grownups’ are about to cut your social security and medicare programs. They want rich CEOs to pay less in taxes, meaning you pay more. They want to gamble with your bank deposits producing another Great Recession eventually. Taxes are the price you pay for freedom and personal rights. Try a low tax dictatorship like Venezuela or Russia or Cuba for comparison. Gotta keep it real.

      1. maxx says:

        As I posted earlier. Don’t forget about the “grownups’ going to push grandmas’ wheelchair and her over the cliff, stupid liberal. If you want socialized medicine go to Canada or England. They have it and Canadians come to the US to get health care their socialized medicine won’t provide.

        1. DrBillLemoine says:

          Specialized healthcare is an American specialty, the reason so many doctors come here (even from Canada) to practice. Ordinary care is what you overlook here. Your ‘grandma’ story is what repealing without replacement Obamacare is all about. So you would do it. Shameful. BTW personal example, my aunt stayed in Canada to get coverage better than the USA in Parkinsons, Alzheimers and congestive heart troubles. Those are not specialties.

          1. NM Leon says:

            You are so full of schitte. If your aunt immigrated to Canada it wasn’t as a Parkinsons/Alzheimers/COPD sufferer.

            http://www.cic.gc.ca/ctc-vac/getting-started.asp

            Why do you persist in telling such obvious lies?

          2. DrBillLemoine says:

            Do you know what you are talking about–Parkinsons, Alzheimers or immigration?

          3. NM Leon says:

            If you go to thew web site, you will find that if you are old enough and sick enough, you are NOT eligible to immigrate to Canada.

        2. bobnstuff says:

          Do some fact checking on your Canada story and you might just fine you have been lied to. The number of people coming from Canada is in fact very small and everyone who says different have nothing but the”I say Canadians” stories to support their stories.

          1. maxx says:

            Don’t need to do any checking I have blood relatives and ancestors living there for over 100 years. I get my facts from people on the ground not from wherever you get your info.

      2. NM Leon says:

        Social Security and Medicare are programs designed to keep people dependent on government.

        1. DrBillLemoine says:

          Pure political posturing. Both are valuable retirement and/or disability programs of long standing.

          1. NM Leon says:

            Social Security is certainly long standing, but it’s still a Ponzi scheme. Has been since the day it started. It was designed to keep people poor and dependent.

            Thirty some odd countries have privatized their equivalent of Social Security and 100% of them pay a far greater ROI than the Ponzi based systems (and have survivability).

  • TexRancher says:

    The People have spoken loud and clear; We want ObamaCare gone, lock, stock and barrel! We didn’t have those taxes BEFORE ObamaCare and we sure don’t want to be paying them afterwards! That’s just plain THEFT! Plus we don’t want anymore reminders of Obama our first Subversive president!

    1. Mike Shannon says:

      Repeal Repeal Repeal

      1. DrBillLemoine says:

        Go ahead and kill subscribers to ACA. Live with that after repeal.

        1. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

          The ACA cost me my ‘Plan’, ‘my doctor’ and my healthcare! The cost of insurance further eliminates the possibility of also affording or paying for deductibles or healthcare. So when the mandate is killing me and mine, I really have zero empathy for those that chose to subscribe. Choices like elections have consequences!

          1. DrBillLemoine says:

            Your problem is solved if everybody like you joins ACA. That makes the pool large enough to afford everybody’s ailments, keeps costs low including negotiated drug costs–you know, it’s called economy of scale in shopping; the large economy size costs less per unit.

          2. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

            I don’t qualify for subsidies and can’t afford the most mediocre plan available, add in the deductibles and I absolutely can afford NO HEALTHCARE because I’d be investing ALL my disposable income to insurance.
            KILL THE MANDATE!

          3. DrBillLemoine says:

            Count your blessings if you don’t get subsidies. Your income is too high. I tell my clients to check their priorities and budgets, their spending habits and comparative costs including college students. So tell us what the comparison is to your tax penalty so we know just how rich you are.

          4. NM Leon says:

            I pity your “clients”. They have a math challenged idiot for an adviser, and are (presumably) actually paying for bad advise.

            Many people have LOST coverage since the Obozocare roll-out. My daughter has always payed for insurance as a small business owner. As of 4 months ago she can no longer afford it (AZ). Basic insurance would cost MORE than her mortgage and if she could afford the insurance, her deductible would be $10,000. Absurd.

            And she doesn’t have a tax penalty, and neither should anyone else. The way the law is written, the penalty comes out of your refund. If you have the brains God gave a fence post, you should not ever get a refund (refunds are the money you loaned the government interest free), and therefore will never pay the penalty. The IRS holds back the penalty from future tax refunds.There are no liens, levies, or criminal penalties for not paying the fee, so simply do what you should be doing in the first place so that you never get a refund, and you will never have to pay the penalty.

          5. DrBillLemoine says:

            Aside from your continuing persecution of me, you should realize there are OTHER healthcare programs in the nation besides ACA. I too aimed to provide health insurance for small business employees. It’s a personal and business choice. My own physician doesn’t provide and loses workers regularly who want coverage. Of course larger group policies are cheaper.
            Many people with low incomes are exempted from ACA and its penalty, no biggie.

          6. Retired says:

            Funny more are against YOU than with you ??

          7. NM Leon says:

            Absolutely no one here has ever been with him. Zero upvotes in more than 15k posts has to be some sort of record.

          8. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry you forget me. I’m the other educated person here who doesn’t by the line of the RWNJ.

          9. NM Leon says:

            Did you get a PhDumbschitte degree too?

          10. DrBillLemoine says:

            Truth as in education doesn’t wait around for approval.

          11. NM Leon says:

            Oh, poor little troll feels persecuted.

            The problem with Obozocare is that it is not actuarially sound. It never has been. It was designed to fail with the plan being that then “the fix” would be single payer, which was the goal in the first place.

            Too bad, so sad, you lost, we won, Obozocare goes away.

          12. Retired says:

            That’s what Medicare is.

          13. DrBillLemoine says:

            Stay tuned. ACA isn’t gone yet and its been tried 60+ times before Trump.

          14. NM Leon says:

            Want to put your money on it? Have a bitcoin wallet?

          15. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

            @@ rich-yeah-lmao- try one paycheck from losing everything

          16. DrBillLemoine says:

            I counsel people from a business perspective on income and expenses, budgets and financial means. Actually most people have a choice; make better choices for you–or hire me to help.

          17. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

            Thanks but no thanks, which btw is exactly what I first said about Obamacare BEFORE Pelosi and her AsturdBays shoved it down everyones throats.

            YES I do have choices, I’ve recently achieved extremely important self set goals 🙂 and it appears a wonderful world of real employment opportunities will be rapidly opening under this new administration!

          18. NM Leon says:

            That is frightening if true. You should be ashamed of yourself preying on the disadvantaged. I guess FL must not have fraud laws covering scam CFAs.

          19. DrBillLemoine says:

            I don’t seek clients in retirement. They simply find me or get recommended.

          20. NM Leon says:

            Presumably you do charge them, for which you should be ashamed since neither the Florida Office of Financial Regulation, Fl NASAA, or the CFA Institute has ever heard of you.

          21. DrBillLemoine says:

            Good advice has no limits.

          22. NM Leon says:

            Does the FOFR know that you are operating without licence or certification?

          23. NM Leon says:

            517.12 Registration of dealers, associated persons, intermediaries, and investment advisers.—
            (1) No dealer, associated person, or issuer of securities shall sell or offer for sale any securities in or from offices in this state, or sell securities to persons in this state from offices outside this state, by mail or otherwise, unless the person has been registered with the office pursuant to the provisions of this section. The office shall not register any person as an associated person of a dealer unless the dealer with which the applicant seeks registration is lawfully registered with the office pursuant to this chapter.

          24. Retired says:

            You won’t get through to these clowns who spout off how great the ACA is as most never read what is all in it, they just repeat what the media tells them and have no life experience with the ACA. Talk is cheap until they are in your shoes.

        2. Retired says:

          The death squad is waiting for you , you are old and you wont get certain treatments because it might only give you six month or a year more to live. So go ahead and die is the insurance motto.

          1. DrBillLemoine says:

            That’s why SCOTUS should never have ruled that corporations are people. I don’t know anybody but you that says go ahead and die, no more treatments. I have a health committee to insure against that if I’m incoherent.

          2. Retired says:

            Evidently you have not been refused medicine because the insurance co refused to pay for it . That never happened before the ACA unless you had a HMO . Now the latest is you must try Physical therapy before you can get treatment . Just like the Insurance Claim you can get Brand medicine , but they don’t tell you how many hoops you must jump through to get it even if you Dr. orders it. The Dr. has to go through a lot of paperwork and most will not do it.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            What world do you live in? We once had an insurance refuse to pay for a medication because it was experimental, the only problem was it had been on the market for thirty years. If you never had to fight with your insurance company before the ACA it was only because you were very lucky.

          4. Retired says:

            Wrong again this all happened after ACA . I have had the same coverage for over 25 years . They refused a Medicine that I have had for over 20 years and all of a sudden they would not pay for it and the substitute was not effective . The second time the Insurance said I do not have the health issue the medicine was made for , a good thing the Dr. had samples.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            In 2008 My wife tried to get her thyroid medication. CVS refused to pay saying it was an experimental drug even though she had been taking it for thirty years. It turns out that their people were trained to turn down a percentage of medications even if they should be covered.

          6. Retired says:

            That would be your Insurance and the contract they have with CVS or the tech put the wrong info into the computer.

          7. bobnstuff says:

            CVS was the insurance writer, They did prescription insurance. They have their central phone claim center just up from where I worked and I know people who have worked their. Mark, at Walgreen’s is great and he has gone to bat for use a number of times.

          8. Retired says:

            That does not make sense as to who your Insurance is that had the contract with CVS. Since the days of HMOs, insurance has dictated as to where you get your meds,

          9. bobnstuff says:

            My Hospitalization was wit Etna and my Prescription coverage was with CVS but I could get my meds anywhere. I’m a expert on health insurance companies, I have had seven different companies in the last 17 years. I have worked in the same location since 2000 after I sold my last business but I have worked for four different companies and the last one changed carriers twice and added a second choice for my last year with them.

          10. DrBillLemoine says:

            No, I spent most of a career arranging for end of career support including healthcare. Never been refused for medicine and that was before AND after ACA. I had both group and individual policies at times. I can’t relate to your situation.

          11. Retired says:

            I think you already have arrived at Incoherent .

          12. DrBillLemoine says:

            Out of ideas on the topic?

          13. NM Leon says:

            “That’s why SCOTUS should never have ruled that corporations are people.”

            Are you ever right about anything Billy?

            Corporations have been considered to have corporate personhood since Roman times when they had publicani that received corporate status (habere corpus), which included a grant of limited liability for investors.

            In the US, corporate personhood has been established as black letter law since at least 1819 in Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward.

          14. DrBillLemoine says:

            Around 1819 only the elite were involved in politics–with their elitist money, not corporations. We’ve come a long way since then; you should study some more.

          15. NM Leon says:

            Get a grip, Billy Boy. We’ve come a long way since Rome too. Corporations have always been assumed to have corporate personhood. To ascribe that to SCOTUS just showcases the depth of your ignorance (again).

          16. DrBillLemoine says:

            Sole proprietorship and partnerships are different from corporations. Somebody failed to distinguish with Citizens United, including you.

          17. NM Leon says:

            What on earth are you on about? Sole proprietorship and partnerships are different from corporations? No schitte Sherlock, and corporations have ALWAYS been assumed to have corporate personhood. That’s from ancient Roman times to the present.

            I don’t know why you libtards complain anyway, the Dems have been the greater recipients of corporate largess for a number of cycles.

    2. DrBillLemoine says:

      The ‘people’ you reference are neighbors who never got healthcare before and won’t give it up. Are you paying such high taxes you want that? Taxes are not theft; it’s the price you and I pay for freedom and personal rights. Get over it. No country is tax free except Saudi Arabia; you like Sharia law?

      1. maxx says:

        Right and the Republicans are going to push your grandmothers wheelchair over the cliff. Don’t forget that one.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          No they aren’t that would mean actually doing something. They will instead just leave her sit there till she starves to death.

          1. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

            WHY aren’t YOU taking proper care of your own granny?

          2. bobnstuff says:

            I did but not everyone is as lucky as mine was. A example is 10% of all elderly in Texas live in poverty.

          3. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

            100% of their families and local communities should fix that!

          4. bobnstuff says:

            They don’t care enough to fix anything.

          5. NM Leon says:

            They have been taught to let the government (Dems) take care of what would normally be community and/or family responsibility.

          6. NM Leon says:

            Yeah, because they were trapped into a f ucked up pretend “retirement” system. Social Security.

            Thank the Dems for virtually all the poverty in the country. Poverty equals dependence, and the Dems get their votes by keeping poor people dependent on their “largess”.

          7. Retired says:

            Now you are talking about the ACA and insurance Industry.

      2. NM Leon says:

        You aren’t very good at facts, are you? Besides Saudi, there’s Bermuda, Monaco, the Bahamas, Andorra, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, and the Cayman Islands.

        WHAT we pay taxes for is up to we the voters. We the voters made it loud and clear last November that we DON’T want Obozocare. Get over it.

        1. DrBillLemoine says:

          I’m surprised you think of your listed nations as western democracies. Think again re what I said.
          You are overlooking, in your partisan fever, the fact that most voters were for ACA–and Hillary. Louder and clearer. Get over yourself.

          1. NM Leon says:

            ” No country is tax free except Saudi Arabia; you like Sharia law?”

            So you think Saudi Arabia is a western democracy? You are even more stupid than you appear.

            You lost, we won, get over it.

      3. Bob says:

        If taxes are the price I pay for freedom, then why is my neighbor’s freedom free when I work and all he does is lay around all day and collect a welfare check provided by me.
        Seems like the more successful you are, the more expensive your freedom becomes.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          You do know that income taxes isn’t the only tax you pay, right. I bet they pay as high a percent of their income in taxes as you do.

          1. Bob says:

            According to that logic, the food I buy should cost more because it should be based as a percentage of what I make, also the house, car, school…. yep with that kind of logic we should all quit our jobs.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            In our country most taxes are based on a percentage, Sales tax is a percentage, wage tax is a percentage even property tax is based on a percentage of the value of the property. You do have some fixed taxes like gas taxes is based on the gallon not the price. Poor people pay all those taxes. Just like you. Since the poor spend every dine they get there is little money not taxed. Your 401K isn’t taxes till you take it out. If you save your money instead of spending it you pay no sales tax on it until you do spend it.

          3. Bob says:

            The subject was taxes being the price you pay for freedom and personal rights and why it costs higher earners more than the rest.
            So freedom and personal rights cost is earnings percentage based? For some it’s free and for the really productive it’s expensive because it’s worth more for having the opportunity to work harder and be more responsible. Then not only can you provide jobs for others, you can pay for more to sit home and do nothing.

          4. bobnstuff says:

            The more money you have the more it costs the government to do those things you like done. In my area the local government has been buying up larger tracts of land to keep people from building on it. It costs less then putting the services in and maintaining them. No one builds less then a $250,000 home in my neighborhood. The richer you are the more the government has to spend and the more you are taxed. Poor people don’t need airports, they can’t afford to fly, they don’t need stadiums since they can’t afford the tickets.

          5. Bob says:

            Hence the problem. We should all pay for what we use instead of everyone paying for the benefit of the few. You want a new stadium? Pay more for the tickets to the game. You want streets and utilities? Pay for them. You want better health care? Work harder and pay your own way. The government shouldn’t be in the business of subsidizing your way of life much less your life.
            Remember, ultimately, all laws are enforced at the point of a gun wielded by the state.

          6. bobnstuff says:

            You seem to believe that hard work means more money. That doesn’t line up with my experience. The hardest jobs I have had paid the least and the easiest paid the most. Ever worked the line in fast food on a Friday night? Have you ever made hay? How about mopped floors. Hard work and made harder by a boss that doesn’t want to pay overtime. Minimum wage jobs are mostly the hardest. On the other hand I make $100 per hour reading business plans, I don’t have to write them, just review them. Easy money. The easiest money is as an actor doing commercials. You sit all day eating and talking with the other actors and you might have to spend an hour in front of the camera. Then every time they use the commercial you get a check. So tell me that just working harder means you can afford health insurance. Also do you believe that people obey the laws because of someone with a gun. Ever heard of the social contract theory of government?

          7. Bob says:

            I bet you’re wrong.

          8. bobnstuff says:

            I did the math a while ago. Take a look at where the money of someone making say $40,000 would go and see just how much they would be paying in taxes. Then look at some one making $100,000 per year spends their money. A much smaller percent is spent on heavily taxed items. Do the math.

          9. Bob says:

            Ok, let’s start with this, a married couple with no children and no deductions…
            40k=$1968 or 4.9%
            100k= $11,368 or 11.4%
            So 2-1/2 times the income=almost 6 times the federal taxes.
            Add 2 kids and the 40k pays no taxes at all while the 100k still pays $9368.
            FICA and Medicare percentages are the same.
            Your turn.

        2. DrBillLemoine says:

          To whom more is given, more is expected. It’s called progressive taxation, a well-established principle except among rich Republicans. When taxes look high, consider the 90% tax rate under Republican Eisenhower. Any advantage gained by the rich is due to the rights, freedoms and protections of our nation so they owe more payback than the less successful citizen. Freedom isn’t free. Besides, unless you are also working poor, you can afford the very few cents you pay for national welfare. Don’t be a cheapskate in the face of immense freedom you enjoy.
          You DO realize that nothing is free? It isn’t the welfare recipients getting Obamacare.

          1. Bob says:

            You really are a socialist.

    3. maxx says:

      The tax was nothing but Ovomits way of forcing more redistribution of wealth. It was never about health care. Health care was only used as a hammer to control our behavior. We all know anything the government gets it’s hands on will be a disaster. Keep government out of health care except for setting guidelines to curtail the cost which are caused by the people dispensing the health care and the machinery being used. The real costs of the electronic equipment that every site does not need to have is so over blown you would be shocked. A hospital charges 10 times more for a MRI than a private company that does the same thing. Why is that? Enormous physical plant costs. Hospitals are exploding all over the country. Why? Not a real need for bed space but the profits are gigantic and the owners are greedy.

      1. Bob says:

        Pass a law making health insurance illegal. Go to strict fee for service. Make a loan for what you can’t pay for out of pocket. Watch health care costs go way down now that everyone becomes aware of the prices and competition kicks in big time.

        1. maxx says:

          Do you feel the same about life insurance and car insurance and homeowners insurance? I’ll bet not. Doctors go into the business like lawyers because these are necessary jobs and pay extremely well. I used to go for my annual physical for $50. Then it doubled for exactly the same service. What costs did my doctor incur to cause his service to be worth more? Probably none. When ACA came in the same physical is now $185.00 for about 20 minutes of his time. He claims it is all due to the additional paperwork/computer work required for ACA. The charges we are paying are totally arbitrary based on what the public will allow. Labor charge to work on your car is typically $85.00 per hour. I wrote large rmainframe computer software. Far more sophisticated and complex than an auto mechanic is required to do. Never made anywhere near $85.00 and hour. Businesses like doctors are just plain greedy and use the “whatever the public will bear” mentality and they all have us consumers over a barrel. Laws to make insurance illegal will not solve anything and have the potential to bankrupt everybody but the healthiest and wealthiest. Are you ready to take that risk?

          1. Bob says:

            Doctor’s visit price rose because insurance and health providers administration cost 40%. Then Obama added on top of that because now you pay for the uninsurable too.
            Ask your doctor if he’d lower his prices to avoid making insurance claims.
            And no to making car and homeowners insurance illegal because there’s no pre existing clauses. If you drive carefully and avoid accidents your rates are low and your rates aren’t based on other’s cappy driving…. and with the exception of auto liability, there’s no government mandate.

          2. Bob says:

            I have no problem with car and home insurance as long as there’s no government mandate. Yes, I know you’ll respond that the government mandates car insurance but it’s liability insurance only and your costs are largely based on how you drive.
            And yes, I’ll take the risk of no health insurance once it’s illegal. Cost will be much less. Just ask your doctor what his fee will be if you pay in cash.

          3. Bob says:

            As far as getting paid more for doing less….Looks like society sees more value in the work you do as a mainframe computer geek than having their car fixed….unless the government is subsidizing you. Are they?

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