Romanian hacker Guccifer: I breached Clinton server, ‘it was easy’

by Catherine Herridge, Pamela K. Browne  |  published on May 5, 2016

The infamous Romanian hacker known as “Guccifer,” speaking exclusively with Fox News, claimed he easily – and repeatedly – breached former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s personal email server in early 2013.

“For me, it was easy … easy for me, for everybody,” Marcel Lehel Lazar, who goes by the moniker “Guccifer,” told Fox News from a Virginia jail where he is being held.

Guccifer’s potential role in the Clinton email investigation was first reported by Fox News last month. The hacker subsequently claimed he was able to access the server – and provided extensive details about how he did it and what he found – over the course of a half-hour jailhouse interview and a series of recorded phone calls with Fox News.

Fox News could not independently confirm Lazar’s claims.

  • Robert A Hartman

    Is this when (prison bound) Hillary said there were no ‘highly sensitive emails?

  • Donald Wilson

    Hillary has lied for so many years this POS couldn’t tell the truth, why you may ask, because this POS doesn’t know the difference.

  • Carl Carlson

    Reveal to the FBI one top secret e-mail that no body else could possibly have access to should verify he breached her server. Just one more piece of evidence.

  • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

    What will our corrupt system do with her? She should be in jail for the rest of her life, but don’t bet on it!

  • AKLady

    How much is this criminal being paid to tell this lie?

  • Sara

    Guccifer is awesome. He’s harmless but showing them how stupid they are.

  • Wade Owen Winblad

    Burn the witch Burn the witch Burn the witch

  • thekidde

    “Fox News could not independently confirm Lazar’s claims.” Gee, I wonder why???

    • Jon Ockunzzi

      Fox News was just being honest. A concept that is entirely foreign to you progressive socialist liberal democrat f-ups. Which is why you wonder why peckerhead.

    • AKLady

      Because thw claims are false?

  • Beverley

    The American Embassy or any embassy anywhere in the world is considered a piece of that country’s property and the Ambassador is the personal representative of that country. Killing an Ambassador and burning an embassy building is like attacking the country itself. It’s not just “4 people killed” as the press puts it. They don’t even say an American Ambassador and three members of the Embassy. What tremendous control someone has over the American media!

    • AKLady

      Embassy security is the responsibilty of the country it is located in,

      Benghazi waa not an embassy,

      Stevens declined offers of additional security – not once, but twice. That fact has been published by the U.S> Military. Army Gen. Carter Ham, then the head of the U.S. Africa Command, personally spoke with Stevens.

      • Beverley

        If it wasn’t an Embassy then was Stevens an Ambassador? I seem to have all my ‘facts’ wrong.

        • AKLady2015

          The American Embassy was/is located in Tripoli. Benghazi was a consulate. Stevens was an Ambassador.

          America desired to make Benghazi a permanent State Department facility. That was one of the motivations for Amb. Stevens’ trip. He was supposed to do something “official” at a Benghazi school. He also went there to visit with old friends in the area.

          • Beverley

            Obviously a Consulate does not have the level of an Embassy, is it also considered a part of that country’s extension or just property. Anyway, IMO the media should always use the term Ambassador and not just four men killed. Were the other three Americans high level consulate employees? Military?
            If he was visiting old friends, he must have felt secure.

          • AKLady2015

            From what I have seen in the media, it does not appear that the terrorists were local people.

          • Beverley

            Complicated. Lack of information to assure protection.

  • ivca56

    I hope he can disclose some of the emails before they get to him and kill him. I also hope he was smart enough to save those as an insurance policy. There are a lot of bodies in Obozo’s and Clintons’ wakes…

  • wiseone2

    More “secrets” WILL come out, stay tuned……….

  • Donald Wilson

    Hillary is nothing more than a lying crack wh**e. She has lied about Benghazi, she lied about the email server. Every time this scum sucker opens up her pie hole lies and more lies are spewed out. This ass hat has lied so much and for so long this carpet muncher doesn’t know how to tell the truth. This liar needs to go to prison for the rest of her unnatural life for all of the crimes this putrid POS has committed. The End…

    • Jon Ockunzzi

      Don’t hold back Donald. Tell us how you really feel.

    • thekidde

      Asshat is one word.

      • Jon Ockunzzi

        You would know, Asshat.

  • The Redhawk

    OK ….Now is the TIME for all GOOD ( but are there any) government High Positioned Elected Officials from the WH, ( or is it the white Mosque), DOJ ( unless it takes orders from the White Mosque) and the FBI to INDICT the LYING SOW of Chappaqua…for TREASON!!!!! Incompertence, and STUPIDITY, all or any of which should DISQUALIFY her for ANY elected Office!!! But provide Living quarters in Federal Proson or even GITMO.for this “THING”

    • Rodney Steward

      That would be black mosque!! 🙂

      • The Redhawk

        Has Bhozo BOUGHT the Paint YET with BORROWED MONEY???

        • Rodney Steward

          It’s all the graffiti on the interior walls by Jackson and the Saudi’s!!

          • The Redhawk

            OH so the OUTSIDE shall reamin WHITE??? There is still time until next FEB for the Mullah BHO to change that Picture….Question will bHO zo after he retires require a black Limo and a White driver or a White Limo and a Black Driver

          • Rodney Steward

            I hope the outside remains White, they’ve been working on that place ever since Obama’s been there! And U know Obama’s not having any White man driving his Limo, he don’t like the White man at all or his Constitution! 🙂

          • The Redhawk

            BUT what does he DO to the WHITE part of his EYE BALLS>>>bTW has he ever Visited the Grave of his WHITE MOM???

          • thekidde

            Fool. Eat some more right wing shit so you can spew it out your pie hole.

          • Gnowark

            Neither, a willing slave caravan will happily carry him back to Chicago, or NYC to take over the NWO (formerly called the U.N.).

          • The Redhawk

            But will he CLOSE CHICKfile??? when he CUMS to NYAWK os sO CHI

        • thekidde

          Reagan’s dead you fool.

          • The Redhawk

            so are YOU MORON!! as well as BHOZO but he keeps Spreading Manure still….

    • Gnowark

      NO, to answer “(but are there any) [all GOOD] government High Positioned Elected Officials from the WH, ( or is it the white Mosque), DOJ.” And it seems to be the latter (white mosque). That’s my former senator, promiser of 200,000 new jobs for upstate NY – none delivered, who only got 3 of her bills passed during her 8 years in the Senate (renamed a P.O., renamed a road, made an historic site). Treason, Incompetence, and Stupidity just about covers hilLIARy.

      • The Redhawk

        Hell man.. after Lying about Closing Coal mines nad Promising to RETAIN Coal miners she also OMITTED to say WHERE she would CREATE those JOBS like she Promised Upstate NEW YPORKERS who MIGHT STILL Vote for HER…GO figure how much the UNIONIZED Teachers have damaged the INTELLECT of Americans…

  • Ken says

    Wonder if HILL-BILLY Team will be able to make this witness disappear like others have in her scandalous past?

  • Richard Nicoletti

    Oh, don’t worry about it. It’s Hillary. She can do whatever she wants. Nobody’s gonna make her pay for it. Who cares if she gives our our well-guard secrets to anyone who wants to listen? Besides, she’s going to be our next president because she’s a woman.

    • Jon Ockunzzi

      Yes, after Hillary is President we won’t even need National Security. Nothing will be marked “Top Secret” just like when she was Secretary of State.

      • The Redhawk

        WE just will have to go into “RETRAINING” sessions in Arabic, Lying, and therefore be Qulaified for jobs ” somewhere” at tax payers Expense somewhere in the Global Economy with Borrowed Money since there shall not be any Jobs in the USA.for tax payers to pay for it…The LIBERAL ” for the OUR Slobs citizen” plan Promoted as “JOB Creations” based on the Obama Lies about a STIMULUS?? … nad SHI -Tlery speech baout Endin Coal mines and coal miners Jib for Retraining in Non existing Jobs seems to FIT this Sad ( sarcastic) commentary

      • thekidde

        How can you type when your last brain cell has perished???

        • Jon Ockunzzi

          I wasn’t talking to you shitbrain. I was adding my sarcasm to Richard’s sarcasm. Go troll somewhere else.

    • Rodney Steward

      And the WHOLE system wants her too, with her the Gov. keeps growing!!

      • bobnstuff

        You have it backwards, republicans grow governments not democrats, look it up.

        • Jon Ockunzzi

          Republicans reduce government dumb ass. Look it up. Go troll somewhere else.

          • bobnstuff

            http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/big-government-republicans/?_r=0

            Wrong. The republican say they will cut government but in fact they grow it.

          • Gnowark

            Please look up RINO, I think that is what you are thinking, for republican.

          • bobnstuff

            You are telling me Reagan was a RINO, so was Bush both 1 and 2. Ford was a RINO. So there were no true republicans till 2006 or so. I hate to break this to you but the conservative movement is in fact the RINO’s here and they really are not part of the real republican party. Even Goldwater wouldn’t be right wing enough for you.

          • Gnowark

            I’m saying that “The republican say they will cut government but in fact they grow it.” could properly be labelled “Republican In Name Only” From that, YOU are telling me what you think Republicans are, as well as telling me what you think I would require of Goldwater to be conservative. I know you’ve heard this before, but you ought to stick to explaining what YOU think instead of ‘transference.’

          • bobnstuff

            I remember Goldwater, That was the year I worked on my first campaign, a friend of my brother was running for school board, Goldwater was not anti near enough things for the conservatives of today. The conservative today seem to spend their time being against everything. Now the party has truly become the party of stupid and the party of name calling. I didn’t used to be that way.

          • Gnowark

            I never met [AuH2O], but that was the sign I waved when LBJ paraded past, ignoring all the LBJ sign wavers to wave at the Goldwater signs. MY memory was the LBJ supporters HATED Goldwater just as much then as the democrats hate republicans today. Do you hear yourself saying “the party of stupid and the party of name calling?” Have a good life, bobnstuff, hypocrite!

          • bobnstuff

            Did I mention that I’m a life long republican and at one time was a Ward Chairman in the party. It’s my party. I can cry if I want to.

          • Gnowark

            No, you did not mention you were “the party of stupid and the party of name calling”, but you also until recently didn’t mention your feelings about the conservatives of today, of which I am proud to say I am a tea party “member.” Again, Have a good life, bobnstuff, hypocrite! (I feel justified in name-calling since you have already assigned that).

  • Rodney Steward

    The standards have not only been lowered for the White house, but from the way congress runs itself and our country, it’s standards have been lowered to the status of our school systems!! What this woman has done would have any other person in prison for life!!

    • The Redhawk

      LOW enough to become a SEWER

      • Rodney Steward

        I’m sure the smell is there!

        • The Redhawk

          STENCH not to be Eradicated SOON ENOUGH!!

    • savage

      i’ts about a man’s name!!!!!

  • DrBillLemoine

    The writers are spending too much time in 1776 and not enough in 2016. There were no ‘secret’ transmissions from Hillary’s email server to be hacked. Anything rated ‘secret’ was classified after she sent them, a policy investigators ordinarily understand in any federal communication and dismiss charges of violating secrecy in every Department, not just State. Keep it honest, writers.

    • madhatter46

      Stop your nonsense–play Clinton word games again –maybe it’s just another define “it” paradox. Common sense (not Thomas Paine’s book though that hasn’t changed either.) didn’t change from 1776 to 2016. When was Newton hit in the head by an apple? Wasn’t that even before 1776 and still a truth today?

      • DrBillLemoine

        You aren’t relating similar things. 1776 isn’t 2016; Payne isn’t Clinton; 1776 texts aren’t emails. If you don’t understand those differences, you can’t discuss them or the issue rationally here. Clinton made no transmissions of secrets on her server.

        • Triple J Jackson

          Remember Benghazi???

        • Jon Ockunzzi

          “Clinton made no transmissions of secrets on her server.” Right, DrBill. And Bill Clinton didn’t have sex with Monica Lewinsky either. Right. Stay in denial. It is very comforting.

          • DrBillLemoine

            No evidence has emerged in years that Clinton violated any laws. Your clinging to your Benghazi bone like a mad dog.

          • Rodney Steward

            It’s true, U far left Dems. are sick, it is really a sickness!

          • DrBillLemoine

            It’s a ‘sickness’ you rubes avoid called ‘truth’ or ‘fact’.

          • Rodney Steward

            A SPADE is a SPADE, FACT!!

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Come on DrBill. You cry foul when someone calls your criminal girl a “pig” but now you liken me to a “mad dog”. If I were holier-than-thou like you I would have to say you are not a Christian. I’m a human being too you know. Besides I never mentioned Benghazi. Nope, not even once. You have me mixed up with Triple J Jackson. You TROLLS need to keep your insults straight.

          • DrBillLemoine

            It’s hard for the pot to hide behind the kettle. You are right to this extent, humans are not pigs but people may act like mad dogs in behavior. See the difference.
            About ‘Benghazi’, the whole topic and thread is about it; you don’t have to use the label. Keep it real.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I most definitely do NOT see the difference. People can act like pigs just as easily as they can act like mad dogs. As for keeping it real, the article and the thread is about how easily it was for a hacker to hack your girlfriend HiLIARy’s email server. Triple J is the only one who keeps mentioning Benghazi. Reading for comprehension is awesome. You should try it sometime you mad dog pig.

          • bobnstuff

            I can claim to do many things but with out some proof it’s just a claim. We know that most of the government sites have been hacked, there is proof of it. The real question is if Hillary’s server was safer then the governments. As of right now it looks like it was. Next we need to decide if any really sensitive info was on the server which as of right now looks like no. Just for the record the really hot stuff is not sent on line. Only a fool trusts the safety of the net. How many hearing has the congress had on this subject and how much has come out of them? It sure looks like a republican witch hunt and is sure looks like they keep coming up empty.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Finally. Somebody who wants to talk about the topic of the article. The question is not whose server was safer. The question is not how sensitive the info on Hillary’s server was. The question is whether Hillary broke the law by setting up her own server for government emails. And the answer is yes. Suppose you don’t have a drivers license and you drive a car. The question is not how safe you drive. The question is not whether or not you got caught. The question is whether or not you broke the law. And you did. If catching somebody who breaks the law is a republican witch hunt then I must not have woke up in America this morning.

          • bobnstuff

            The answer is no she broke no laws. At the time there was no law saying she couldn’t use her server. In case you don’t know it government employees use non government servers all the time. I don’t believe you understand how the internet works. Anytime you send a email out of your network you use both your server and the person receiving the emails server. The idea of a secure server isn’t really relevant since it’s not the server but the drive that is secure and that’s done with software. Everyone who uses a computer on line uses some kind of security program if they are smart. Hillary’s was not the type you get of the shelf. Her server was in a house with guards 24/7 and cared for by a company that wasn’t chosen because they were the lowest bidder. I don’t know if she know it but her data was safer then had it been in the state departments server, hard drive.

            http://pc.net/helpcenter/answers/purpose_of_a_server

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I get how the internet works dumbfk and you just nailed it. It doesn’t matter if Hillary’s security program was unhackable. She sent sensitive government emails to Blumenthal’s AOL account and my granddaughter could hack that. What the fk is wrong with you?

          • bobnstuff

            It wouldn’t have mattered had she use the official server either but the stuff from Blumenthal wasn’t all that sensitive and the stuff Hillary sent back wasn’t at all sensitive. You say you understand how the internet works then why are you trying to say that Hillary did anything different or more risky then every other government employee.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I didn’t say HilLIARy did anything more risky than the other government employees dumbfk. They are all criminals if they use their personal computers for government work. No wonder the whole world knows all our shit.

          • bobnstuff

            Have you ever looked at the governments computer system and how out of date most of there equipment is? The whole system is based on desk tops and most are at least five year old. There software doesn’t talk to other government software and they still have to use paper for many things. One of the big problems with the VA is their system can’t talk to the military’s system. They can’t transfer records. Hillary uses a Blackberry. I will say this our armed forces do get the better equipment when it comes to tech toys. Most government agencies are still in the dark ages. So yes most people in the government use their own computers, I would to.

          • bobnstuff
          • DrBillLemoine

            You must be clearer in your prose. Acting like a mad dog is not being a pig.
            No problem hacking that bygone server with nothing secret on it.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            There are at least 22 top secret emails on it. And it was hacked and emails were released to the media. Read the whole article and get out of denial.

          • DrBillLemoine

            You conveniently ignore the fact that there were no secrets transmitted by Hillary. After the fact, when others attached ‘secret’ labels doesn’t make her emails illegal.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Blow it out your ass dimwit.

          • madhatter46

            Problem with civil laws seem to be they sometimes run into a problem with morality, and the laws of nature and of nature’s God. Let’s see the Nazis had laws affecting millions of Jews–did Eichmann err? The Lenin/Stalin/Mao regimes had so many laws they couldn’t always remember them. The Queen of Hearts in Alice’s Wonderland had one law–“Cut off his head,” Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson were even Supreme Court decisions which trump even the 10 Commandments. Let’s see how about Roosevelt’s internment of Japanese Americans? —or my favorite the murdering of innocent unborn children–ever see an ultra-sound–doctor? That behavior breaks no laws– right Doctor? With all due respect, sir, I humbly disagree with you as I also acknowledge your right to express that hogwash.

          • DrBillLemoine

            In a Christian nation, you want to criticize immoral laws. Go figure. I’d reply that conservatives refuse to discuss scientific facts about global warming because it may cost you some money; so ruin people’s lives, inundate their countries, deny warming Mr. Morality.
            You do realize that none of your communists were contemporaries in control, right? Sooooo?
            Life is an ongoing compromise with what people want and what’s doable and moral. If you dabble in politics, you’ll always find it’s true. Soooo?
            So on topic, what exactly is hogwash by me?

          • madhatter46

            god bless you and thank God Almighty for co2 which helps and flourishes plant life–money has nothing to do with it –I’m 70 years old–remember the 1970’s when I was told we would be out of oil within 15 years –didn’t happen–remember when the concern was another ice age–then it had to changed to a warming –then just climate change due to CO2. I remember soldiers using DDT to delouse people in Europe and also used to kill mosquitoes (beat being sprayed by agent orange in Nam–another elite genius thought of that)–but then DDT was banned and millions are dying annually from malaria, thank you Rachael Carson–those lives were forfeited–immoral?. I listen to people tell me about my carbon footprint as they use jet planes to produce 10000 times more carbon than I, who drive my car approx. 4000 miles a year. We have never had more oil, food production has significantly increased which has kept people from starvation, and quite a few temperature monitors, especially airborne record no temperature increases in 17 years. Polar Bears are doing ok, New York isnt under water as Al Billionaire Gore ( Tolkien’s real Gollum) –talk about the privileged white guy, —What an academic record at Harvard–predicted. Yes, climate changes-always has and always will-how many ice ages before man industrialized? How does the sun affect the climate. when we increase the cost of electricity –the poor suffer the most–dung is their source of heat. Tell China to stop polluting, tell India to cut back on industrialization–ban cows from passing gas–keep them all dependent, limit their human dignity.as long as the overseers can control their plantation called Earth. Yessim, Mr. Boss. The hogwash?–how about calling and using names toward anyone who thinks or believes differently then thou. No, humans aren’t God -but so many of us love playing the omnipotent deity who never seems to get it right–but seldom suffers the consequences of their decisions–as the common folk do.
            Contemporaries in control–history means nothing
            to you? Of course not–Hegel explained. Contempories? Ok let’s try Fidel on an island just south of the Keys–where political prisoners still sit and die in cells. Let’s look at Greece–smell their streets, as bail out after bail out from others don’t solve the problem. Let’s look at Spain where in 2015 over 40% of the youth are unemployed. Let’s look at my city, Chicago, where the amount of taxpayers contribution that goes to just paying interest on the coerced debt makes it impossible to reduce the debt. Yes, at some point you do run out of other peoples money, and one day our grandchildren will ask why we were so greedy–we, the “me generation”, instant gratified generation and didn’t stop accumulating debt toward programs that dont work. If they worked God bless–heck they just create a bigger mess that requires more and bigger ineffective and inefficient government control of our lives at a lost of freedom but make sure we are free to have sex with anybody or anything–that will keep our minds off the real problems and human dignity. Please –I gave up a V/P high paying position to teach the needy in Chicago–making about 10% of my previous income–I really don’t need morality talks from people who just keep getting it wrong but are too arrogant to admit it. I contribute freely to many organizations, especially to aid the poor.Oops another minority shot in Chicago–as Obama, and Mayor Emmanuel vacation on our dime in Thailand and Hawaii–why did Harry S. Truman not have a presidential pension and now they live like kings in their self contained sterile environments feasting at the banquet like the pigs at the end of Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm? Michelle. honey, time for another Martha Vineyard trip. Hog wash all–like the movie, I’m mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore. Not unless the political, academic, and arts elite suffer with the rest of us. Take the limos away–and watch them go crazy, take their tenure away and freedom of speech guarantees and see what they think of speech codes. I am the state thy god, thou shalt not have a real God before me. Thou shalt not kill unless it’s an unborn fetus, covet, lie, steal–achieve the goal. Honor thy nanny state apparatchiks. End the draft let the hoi polloi protect us–just like chess sacrifice the pawn to save the Kings. Take your worldview and especially the arrogance and ignorance , we , the sans culottes don’t believe you know what the heck you are doing, saying, or demanding of us. It’s all hogwash –honestly the title doctor means absolutely nothing–the curtain has been pulled away from the fraud. Come join us or take your hogwash far far away maybe into another galaxy–See how long it will take to learn some humility.Join the Marines, face the elephant, learn about true friendship, dedication and the yields from living honorably with dignity and character, And when you get to heaven, St. Peter you will tell–another Marine reporting Sir, I served my time in hell under progressive hogwash.

          • bobnstuff

            Had the government not made the auto industry improve gas millage and had someone not come up with fracking we would be out of oil, a problem solve for the time being. Polar bears are not doing well because the Ice they live on is going away. Venice is flooding because of the rising water level but every thing is fine in your world. DDT was killing the birds that eat the mosquitoes as well as the bees that are needed for food production. Do you like eating? We told China to stop polluting and they are working on it. The embargo worked so well fifty years later Castro is still there. Vietnam was half a century ago and many would like to forget it. It wasn’t a good thing and didn’t end well. The world has changed and I think it’s much better in so many ways. The Red Menace wasn’t real and in fact there are only five communist nations left. The year is 2016 and there are still wars and young men are still dying. How ever I still hope people will figure out that war is not a good thing for babies and other living things.

          • madhatter46

            Enough -there are only 5 left because they destroyed themselves from within–like Venezuela is doing today. While America–a capitalistic country survived them all. Now that America is turning left–we too shall soon be a thing of the pass–isn’t that Marxist theory anyway. Utopia–here on earth–no greed? No privileges? Except for the elite pigs from, Orwell’s “Animal House. I have to watch my carbon foot print as the preachers go to Hawaii on vacation, own multiple mansions–Gore, and Clinton and they also demand the big Carbon producing Jets to ferry them on their excursions. Look,think, and believe what you want–you don’t want to learn from history-you say it’s all relative, so no matter what the “other says–it’s false? So many leftist’s governments look down on religion because of its supposedly fanatical false doctrines but then practice their own inquisitions on those who don’t believe what their ideology teaches.. What’s the difference between Mao’s “Little Red Book” and the Progressive catechisms. Look spread love not hate. Back in the 60’s wasn’t it Abbie Hoffman from the far Left who said, “You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.” Wow I’m surprised we agree—war is bad–tell that to the terrorists throwing gays off of roofs, or the Taliban stoning women for wanting an education, or the Nigerian terrorists enslaving young girls–I guess it’s ok to behead Christians though, after all they are just Christians. Yes some things are better in 2016, but some things are much worse. How far back do you go? Do you remember JFK asking as not to ask what you country can do for you but what you can do for your country. Wasn’t it a Democrat LBJ who drafted young men to be sent to Vietnam? Wasn’t it a Republican President who pulled us out of Vietnam? Who was president in the late 70’s when we had stagflation–remember that –and who was the president in the 80’s who reduced an 18% inflation rate down to 6%, Who was President when Iran gave up the hostages? Who was President when the Berlin Wall came down. Now we have an Arab Spring? A Russian Reset? China man made islands on the Asian shipping routes? Please–yes the Republicans have made big mistakes too–so why do you believe that government is the solution? Putting our progeny more and more into debt–makes things better? Again both parties do this–an oxymoron–try the term “debt ceiling.” How come 30 million are still without health insurance and you couldn’t keep your doctor, nor did your cost go down $2.500. Again–if your mind is closed to the concept of the problem with Government control–nothing i say or do, nothing that happens–let’s hope no terrorists brings a bomb across the border, would open your mind. Read Eric Hoffer’s, “The True Believer,” thoughts on the nature of mass movements—all Americans should read it–because biases and feelings seem to be a human issue not just an right or left political flaw. God bless- seek the truth–it’s found in many places–even where you may hate the most. Remember Orwell’s daily 2 minutes of hate–each tribe blaming the “othere” each tribe hating each other, while government grows, but the problems don’t go away. Who makes out–not you and me–only the elites, those politicians and their cronies from BOTH parties. Do they share the pain? They say fences don’t work–but live in guarded and gated communities. God bless you–don’t hate just the other and hold our own tribes accountable for fixing the problems for all of us not just the one tribe. Yes, Pax Vosicum–If Only!

          • bobnstuff

            I used to have a copy of The Little Red Book, I even read it. As we have seen communism doesn’t work and the number of people who believe in it grows smaller each day. The problem is pure capitalism doesn’t work either. Mao was no more right then Ayn Rand. You complain that the President flies everywhere and you believe it’s bad for his carbon foot print but in fact it’s better then having him ride in a car. When he flies it’s just the plane burning fuel but when he is on the ground he creates traffic jams and you have hundreds of cars burning fuel. As far as the Vietnam War goes Ike got us into it JFK made it worse, LBJ really made mistakes but by the time Nixon got it the will of the people made it so he had to get us out, We ran with our tail between our legs. McGovern would have pulled us out had he been elected. If you want a study on how not to fight a war Vietnam is it. We didn’t learn the lesson very well because we made the same mistake in Iraq and it looks like we may be doing it with ISIS. I don’t like war and believe it should be the last choice but I hate wars that are done stupidly which is how we seem to do it anymore. War is like any fight, the first punch is the one that counts, if done with enough force you don’t need a second one.

            As far as which President was in office when evens happened you must remember that as much as we would like to believe that he was responsible for the evens there are other forces going on in the world. Iran waited to release the hostages till Reagan was in office, Reagan had nothing to do with it since he had not been in office until that that day. Jimmy Carters economy was put in motion before he was in office and all the band aids holding it together fell off. One thing about war is it’s good for the economy, government money flowing and a shortage of labor driving up wages. When the war ends thing tend to crash. Look at the 1950’s and the ups and downs of the economy. One man, even the president doesn’t control the economy. As I said Ayn Rand is wrong. I can go on but you should see my point. As far as the ACA, it’s not a great bill and it’s not the program that it was meant to be but congress can screw up anything. The system we need is a one payer system.
            http://enterprise.netscout.com/expertise/industry/federal-government
            Two thirds of the people in our country already have a one payer system and it works better then going through an insurance company. Buy the way did you lose you doctor? I lost mine every time the company I worked for change carriers. If you lost your doctor it was because your change the companies he took money from. Had we gone to a single payer system as originally planned no one would have lost their doctor. Government can and has been the solution to many things, there are things the private sector doesn’t do well and that greed screws up. Because government isn’t a business it can do things a business can’t. It doesn’t need to make a profit and when done right can give good service. My local library is government owned and does a great job. Medicare is a good program as is Social Security, the only real problems are that we need to increase the amount of money coming in just a little but congress is scared to tell the truth and just do it. It’s not the government that’s the problem it’s the people we elect that is the problem. You must be rich to run for office so we don’t get the best we get the richest.
            Well I got to go so Peace be with you also.

          • madhatter46

            Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun–only 1 billion “little Red Books Produced.” OK never said we fought in Vietnam correctly–believe me those who did fight were the 1st to know that. My point about the presidents was only that both dems and republicans were getting us into war–and also yes, the reason for wars vary. I didn’t advocate for Ms. Rand’s “Objectivism”–all I said is that people historically seem to do better under capitalism then under socialism or communism–guess feelings on freedom influence us sometimes. Some people crave being taken care of and security and others choice freedom and liberty–both have pros and cons.When I think of capitalism I think of Milton Friedman, F.A. Hayek, and Ludwig von Misses, not necessarily Adam Smith and Laissez Faire. What else did you want to challenge? Actually I’m done—we both have so much more to do with are lives then sit here finding nuances and errors in each other’s perspectives. We can better serve our desires, beliefs, ideologies by hugging a grand child, smiling at a recluse, or going to church and thanking God for the natural rights we all were endowed with by Him. Pax Vobiscum—stay healthy, and respect those who think objectively Knowing the more we learn, the more we find out we don’t know. God bless.,

          • bobnstuff

            May God be with you, I have enjoyed our exchange. I will say you make me work which is a good thing. Just remember

            Illegitimi non carborundum.

            Peace.

          • madhatter46

            No, I won’t let them. Wow, those Jesuits were right about learning latin-lol

          • DrBillLemoine

            Smacks of a personal peeve list that you and your representatives have developed for a long time. Every journey starts with a single step. In my case when the peeves get too strong I take action. In education I had a finger in the teaching, administration and supervision pies to make schooling/education better. My kids got awards, my classes rose above the averages, my schools were recognized the best, my parents got active, my business people counseled students–you get the idea. No belly aching, no recriminations, no lamentations, no criticisms–just personal action to make a difference and fight city hall (successfully). In administration my STEM magnet school siphoned the best and brightest from public, private and parochial schools–leading to blocking from grant expansion by the sour grapes bunch.
            You get the idea–at your age, with your expertise, with your efforts and some ambition you can make a big difference, Chicago or not. Meanwhile stop your own sour grapes blocking of progress by Democrats and progressives who have led the nation out of legal segregation, into expanded civil rights for women, blacks and minorities, who have expanded social living beyond single race, creed, residence, religion limitations. In retirement I’ve worked to help others stabilize and expand their financial security, residential freedom, economic stability. What have you done beyond make your list above? Are you just a couch potato, Monday morning quarterback, watcher not doer???

          • madhatter46

            Listen, I don’t care one lick of how wonderful you think yourself to be, you are a biased, closed minded, arrogant ideologue. I, with time also became a principal and administrator – type 75 certificate in Illinois- the students I taught–not “My” students, all happened to be labeled BD or ED, and many died in the streets before they could win rewards or graduate. Parents?–60% didn’t know they had 2 parents or at least wouldn’t admit it out of shame, 30% had parents addicted to drugs, and abused their children. Less than 1% had role models from your schools. Rewards? Surviving on the streets of a Progressive Controlled Dystopia is deemed a reward or actually to many a living hell– you pompous fool. The kids I taught would have had you for lunch–your name calling would have been front and centered. Please you obviously never served in the military, or had to learn how to appreciate differences, or rely on the hoi polloi to save your life, did you? Ever face the elephant–our term for potential death. It’s a shame, you might have experienced some humility —But enough of this childish game–pigs love to wrestle in the mud. Today was Grandparents Day at my 3 grandchildren’s Catholic Grade school–God they’re great kids who respect others. Had a concert, the kids sang, and we all went to mass together to thank God, not Big Brother for our blessings, for the love, caring, and respect due to ALL humans, big or small. White or Black, Irish or Latino, educated or illiterate, rich or poor because in the end —-St. Peter will have a very different criteria for judging us besides what our political party affiliation was here on earth. I’m sure there are many D’s as there are R’s in heaven, and also so many D’s and R’s in hell. With respect I really don’t care about your judgments only what St. Peter’s book shows. P.S.—- Hope I’m in line behind Hillary though–lol—come on you can stand behind Dick Cheney’s if you like. May I end with a little Aretha Franklin here–R–E–S–P–E–C–T.

          • DrBillLemoine

            No matter the awards I won for excellence, it’s all about the students, the classes, their parents functioning better in the world. I was hired to write, teach and evaluate curriculum for your slow learners, so that’s where most of my successes came with inner city students. You survived but did your students excel–did special ed teachers ask you how their failures earned A grades, did your parents want you to represent the faculty on parent committees, did you sit with parents during school programs, did community beat down your doors to seek your help, get involved in school, make you the principal? Did the superintendent beg you to be his #2?
            It had nothing to do with politics or mayors of either party. It was personal commitment, energy and know-how.
            But you pat yourself on the back for what known results? Living among those minorities, being called ‘one of us’? No? Turning down both parties who want you elected to fix things? No? Rejecting ‘man of the year’ awards from humility? No? Your reference to heaven is quaint, but irrelevant–there are no Ds and Rs there. I’ve always had your respect. Make a point on the issue at hand, Mr. Anonymous Wonderful.

          • madhatter46

            LIke a good soldier–just fade away–I must have become an obsession for you—I really have other things to do ==spend time with your family, don’t waste it here with me–if you are really concerned for the VA–go volunteer there. O, I agree there are aren’t many politicians in heaven–sorry–it’s not my place to judge–again I leave that to God and St. Peter’s ledger. Be leery though–if you get there, as our song says–the streets are guarded by United States Marines-I’m hoping to be one—there is no such thing as an ex-Marine. Aloha –the Madhatter needs to recite the “Jabberwocky” poem to my 8 year old beautiful grand daughter. Tweedledee and Tweedledum may be there too. Where’s that rabbit, he’s late again.

          • DrBillLemoine

            As any good teacher knows, there’s possibilities in every student. It’s not obsession but reality and potential that keeps me coming back–as your post shows here. BTW check your pastor. There are no soldiers, no politicians, no guards as such in heaven. It’s unlike anything here on earth including ongoing truth, justice, peace as Christ described Himself. On earth we travel toward those goals as Christians so rise above. God Bless You.

          • madhatter46

            It’s the Rabbit Hole from Lewis Carroll–right is wrong, up is down, in is out my goodness Dr. Bill. Nonsense is deemed Sense–do our parts via humor or whatever to see through the Looking Glass- demonizing just doesn’t work for me, that’s all. We want people to listen, not to be turned off. Reason? Most college students have never had a course in logic or to question the correctness of political correctness. Have a good day–sugar works better than vinegar with so many–my goodness, they need Safe Zones, Speech Codes, enforced conformity–is that what college has become?

          • DrBillLemoine

            More than I like, and you observe, colleges deny alternate viewpoints and speakers on campus, avoid controversy and call it education. There’s knowledge to be learned, but understanding, tolerance and consideration of others once was a hallmark of higher education. I indicted narrow minded ‘Christian’ colleges in the past, but it’s apparently more widespread than I thought. We must however recall precisely who picks outside speakers for convocations and public gatherings for students. Boards of Trustees, Presidents, Provosts and Faculty assemblies must reexamine their obligations to learners for the future.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Don’t you progressive numbnuts realize that because of Obama and Hillary this “Christian Nation” will soon be a “Muslim Nation”? And about global warming. Yes, the globe is getting warmer. 2014 was the warmest year on record (which started in 1880). Depending on how you calculate it (there are several ways – I am quoting the NOAA/NASA method) the average global temperature in 1880 was about 56.9 F. In 2014 the average global temperature was a scorching 58.3 F (about 1.4 F hotter). The average 20th century global temperature was about 57 F. Other sources put the average 20th century temperature at 54.9 F

          • DrBillLemoine

            This land was sought out for its religious freedom. Are you denying that? Muslims can prevail only when Christians act like their clergy haven’t taught nor spoken any Gospel. I run across them here all the time.
            We’re talking accelerated warming since the Industrial Revolution mid-18th century burning fossil fuels. The larger cycles are millions of years long. Scientific method to determine the facts is well known and established to determine truth.

          • Gnowark

            NON-SECURED server transmitting ALL e-correspondence from State? NO USE whatsoever of government provided “secure” computers? Wiping her server after it was subpoenaed? Evidence ignored is not “No evidence.” Except to you, I guess, in defense of any progressive cause.

          • bobnstuff

            What’s a non secured server? How do you secure one? Are the government servers secure? How do you go about doing it? Do you know?

          • Gnowark

            No longer, it’s been at least a dozen years (back when 802.3 was really fast). A non-secured server was any that didn’t meet US standards for security, back in the day, coax with 100% shielding (double layer), NO access to a “general network,” only low-emission computers (again shielding). I’m reasonably sure (99.999%) that the standards have only gotten stricter in the decade after that, since general access speeds have increased 1000x and hacking can now be a career. As far as government servers being secure, I can only say that they used to be, until they weren’t; meaning if there were a semi-successful entry (anything past the gateway, but not into any data), heads would roll and $ spent, and I was just on postal data networks, not Secretary of State levels where everything is classified until it has been released. My understanding is that Secretary of State Clinton was able to assess/change the level of security classification, but there would be much paperwork, even in this electronic age where “wiping a server” might be thought of as “like dusting” by only the least trained employee, not the highest. And finally, no, I do NOT know how to hack or go about securing a government server. But having had experience in the field years ago and knowledge of the threats used to maintaining security, I can conjecture, as well as you, about security levels she was trained in and should have followed.

          • bobnstuff

            The government system has been hacked a number of times. I’m no computer tech but I know some of the top people in the field. The government tends to be a little out of date when it comes to hardware. For some reason they just can’t get it right and waste a lot of money doing it. There software is really bad and doesn’t work well with other systems. They hire the guys who can’t get jobs in the private sector a lot. They also contract out to the lowest bidder. Look at the ACA website. The guys out on the west coast that Hillary hired are top of the line.

        • madhatter46

          Please –stop the Alinsky styled tactics of demonizing disssent. Your hubris and semantics game evoke nemesis. “Fools think themselves wise, while the wise person knows himself to be a fool.” There are no lies on my transmissions said the “Queen of Hearts” or was it Bill/Hillary Clinton? When I served 6 years in the Marine Corps, 26 months in Nam–I seem to remember the constant reminders about security issues and culpability for breech of protocols. Want an honest bodycount or a statistical anomaly? Dr. Bill?-we in Wonderland care little for flaunting titles–unless demeaning to self. Semper Fi in this order: God, Country, Corps. Keep denying as they take us away.

          • Rodney Steward

            GREAT!!!!

          • DrBillLemoine

            Pretty militaristic. Nam was a long time ago; are you still living it? This is a new century. Get up to speed.
            Giving you truth and facts is hardly un-American, hardly demonizing. Keep it real, Mr. Thin Skin.
            Speaking of titles and such–I’m real but you post anonymously. Google me. Can’t do that for you to keep you accountable. Thanks for your service. How’s your VA relationship?

          • madhatter46

            Va? Don’t use it. But most of my friends here in Chicago seem to like it. The VA hospital is affiliated with the Loyola University hospital–and 95% of the vets I know who use it don’t complain. Thin Skin–you are the one who always responds with name calling and hate speech. If we were in school I would request a safe zone and maybe some bullying sessions for Mr. Bill.Dr. stop your hating it’s not good for your health. I can recommend a VA psychologist? Come on Mr. Bill smile–accept that God gave us the ability to think for ourselves, go to church maybe–it could give you some peace of mind. Finally–99.9% of all humans who experience war live with memories–it’s only a few psychopaths who don’t seem to be affected. Read your history–the Pelopponesian War, The Civil War, World War One, and Two, and from what I’ve been told even the current returning war vets–gee that is part of the new century. Didn’t the American Progressive Era also begin last century–but that’s ok to hold on to. Ok –I hope I answered your questions–I’m sure not satisfactorily but to the best of my current ability–I am old, white, privileged, evil, and wasn’t it the Progressive doctor Emanuel of Obamacare fame who said at 75 maybe it’d time to end expensive medical treatment–so empathetic?

          • DrBillLemoine

            Growing philosophical, are we? You confuse abuse which abounds in these pages for progressives from your conservative ilk with discernment by me. On the issues I bring wide general and specific knowledge to bear, something block dwellers can’t do. I’m not here to ask or answer questions but relay some light in a dark world. In a real world containing showman Trump who people flock to for his glib facility with their issues, we need to dig deeper to get the truth like my posts. Hope you can join and edify issues for the know nothing bunch reading here or writers who pander to their worst instincts in the #1 country in history.

          • madhatter46

            You must really like me-you come back. How about a little Lewis Carroll–“The Queen of Hearts, she made some tarts. All on a summer day: the Knave of Hearts, he stole those tarts And took them quite away.” Thanks for all the attention-Adieu to you , and you , and you–o the Alps in the morning dew do do. I voted for Cruz–but haven’t pick a winner for President in a long time.

    • Rodney Steward

      This pig has a death trail as long as a Trailways bus, and her top aids are muslim, and you’re OK with this Bi! This thing is EVIL, her NWO foundation is EVIL, WAKE UP!!

      • DrBillLemoine

        The ‘pig’ you reference is a human being just like you, so your comment shows you are no Christian or charitable soul. Clinton’s advisors are worldwide, nationwide and advice is not about religion but national governance today, international affairs as SecState. Your bigotry is offensive.

        • Jon Ockunzzi

          Your pious self-righteous attitude is offensive.

          • DrBillLemoine

            What exactly is either ‘self righteous’ or pious by asking you to treat another human being as human?

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I was referring to how easy it is for you to judge whether other people are Christian or not. You have to be pretty sanctimonious to do that.

          • DrBillLemoine

            It’s called discernment in the bible, detecting fellow Christians by their behaviors. Your condemnations are not Christian, has nothing to do with any sanctimony. What about the topic?

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Yes, what about the topic? You have said the topic is hacking Hillary. You have also said the topic is Benghazi. What will the topic be in your next post? You are soooo confuuused!!! Having trouble with the voices in your head? Get a brain, jackwagon.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I’ve tried to stick to the topic and another raised Benghazi. Make a point on the topic yourself.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            OK, here’s a point. Some of Hillary’s emails WERE leaked. If you read the whole article you will find this.
            “Writing under his alias Guccifer, Lazar released to media outlets in March 2013 multiple exchanges between Blumenthal and Clinton. They were first reported by the Smoking Gun.” Now do you think Hillary is a criminal? Or is the Smoking Gun just another lying media outlet?

          • DrBillLemoine

            The entire point with Hillary emails is not what you say, it’s their confidentiality or secrecy label. No hacking or leaking can reveal secrets that aren’t there.

          • Gnowark

            So your answer to Jon Ockunzzi’s “Now do you think Hillary is a criminal? Or is the Smoking Gun just another lying media outlet?” is the latter? The label isn’t the question, the status of their secrecy is, regardless of the label the secretary of state chose to remove and ignore.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Original emails by Clinton were controlled for content by her without secret stuff. We have to question the source of the ‘leak’ for motive, not Clinton. If hacked or leaked, Clinton is absolved for such original materials, if hacked or leaked beyond herself, it’s illegal by the perpetrator, not Clinton..
            Clinton alone cannot remove labels from secret materials under law and State Department practice.

          • bobnstuff

            You do know that he knows what he is talking about and just because you don’t doesn’t make him self-righteous, it make him right.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            You do know that I don’t give a crap about whatever it is that either one of you are talking about.

          • bobnstuff

            Then why do you keep posting in reply? If you really don’t care stop talking.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Because I am exposing you for the jackboots you are.

          • bobnstuff

            So you do care. LOL

        • Triple J Jackson

          Remember Benghazi.

          • bobnstuff

            Do you even know where Stevens died? do you know the cause of death? Can you even find the city on a map? I do and can.

          • Triple J Jackson

            Yes and I also know the events that led to the attacks and I also know who lied about why it happened and who was responsible and the Clinton that straight up lied to everyone including the family’s about it. So give yourself a cookie because you know the geographical location of Benghazi. I give you a gold star. But You or me even having knowledge of a sinkhole country where our country men were murderd really is irrelevant. What is though is that a person responsible is running for president. And you have people that think “What difference does it make” ! Now everyone’s jumping on Trump for everything. ..And that horrible Deed Hagerly Clinton did seems to be forgot too Easley. And I’ll say it again. Remember Benghazi! Because it could be someone you love that she refuses to protect next time. Think about that! When your pondering on locations of Shit hole Muslim countrys.

          • bobnstuff

            How did the Stevens die? Was he shot or did they light the building on fire and some of those Muslim you choose to hate so much pulled him out of the fire and took him to the hospital, he didn’t make it but not because those people didn’t try. Had his hired guards not blown it he wouldn’t have ended up there but he had the best Mercs money could buy. We could have send a dozen Marines for the same cost but Stevens didn’t want to be noticed. You blame Hillary for telling the families that the attack was because of the video and in fact the video was part of it. I hate to break this to you but the SS does not set up security, it’s not her job and Hillary wouldn’t have known what to do anyway. If you need to blame someone blame the guy who’s job it was to keep Stevens safe, the station chief. You see I remember Benghazi. I really hate to get into this every time but since you have forgotten what really happened and instead have excepted Fox News telling of the tale.

          • Triple J Jackson

            All it would have taken is one call and NONE OF THOSE AMERICAN’S would have died. And yes maybe a Muslim pulled his body out (they damn sure didn’t stop the killing) and and sure wasn’t Girl scouts doing the killing! All it would have taken is for Clinton to pick up the phone and tell one of our commanders to engage. They were less than 20 mins out. There is ALOT to the attack. But as Hillary would have you think it was because of a ANTI Muslim vid. Of course blame anyone But the Muslims that did it. And I can see very clear you are all for her and Muslim murder. So why don’t you go BACK to your country Benghazi or what ever sand trap your from. Because American’s are sick of being told “Don’t hurt the Muslims feelings”
            Remember Benghazi! Everyone do your own research! And you see who’s to blame and it damn sure ain’t the Countrymen that were murderd All of them! Those mercs as you call them were American they had family and should have been backed up!
            Boobsnstuff I don’t care what you think because when American’s are killed and you act like it’s their fault for trying to defend themselves tell me all I need to know about your views. May you be washed in pig blood and all your goats go blind.

          • bobnstuff

            Did you know that help was sent and got into the airport with in an hour and then took four hours to get the local government to let them go into the city. The story you are being feed is not very complete. The closest real help about four hours away and in Italy. The story about the guys being told to stand down isn’t really as it’s told. The guy that was told had a bad arm and would have been of no help but he wanted to do something. I spent about a week reading everything I could because the stories just don’t add up. There were people about fourteen mills away but they would have never made it through the city alive and even if they had they really didn’t have the numbers our the equipment to do much but die trying. The media has tried to make this all Clinton’s fault but there was little she could have done. From what I can find she left it in the hands of the experts and trusted them. That goes for the security going into to it and handling the clean up. The facts were not all that clear until a few days latter but the media pushed for an answer. If you look at what the President really said not what the editors chopped it down to he was vague about facts at first. I’m not a big Clinton fan and wish there was someone else but Trump is worse. I have read a lot about him and the more I read the less I like him. I may not vote for president this time unless a third party candidate shows up.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Then why do our SEALS say they could have been there in minutes and saved everybody? And here’s how Stevens died. He was beaten and tortured for hours by peaceful Muslims before the building caught fire. I have pictures of these terrorists dragging him bloody down a hallway and other pictures of a fn Muslim jabbing him in the balls with a cattle prod. He was probably dead before the building was burned.

          • bobnstuff

            You have fake pictures. There were no Seals in Libya so that’s another lie. Go look at the reports from the hearings and not the ones on the fake news stations, Think about it, The republicans have been trying to get Hillary for years and had they anything that they could use they would have nailed her to the wall. The best they could come up with was she didn’t use the government server for her email. If you don’t want Hillary for president go after what she plans for the country, go after how she would run the country but building the hole thing on lies and half truths isn’t the way to do it. It also would have helped had they found a better candidate to run against her.

        • Rodney Steward

          Being Christian doesn’t have anything to do with having a little knowledge of a murdering POS that should be hanged in public! This Bi in just another Obama, and U better watch what U wish for, U and everybody else that falls for another socialist will pay like the rest of us!

          • DrBillLemoine

            There’s no ‘murder’ here, no capital crime. You are deluded in that thinking. You also ignore your Constitution’s aim to ‘promote the general welfare’ some call socialism. Leave the slogans alone and get an education.

          • Rodney Steward

            Socialism is what we have to RID in this country!

          • DrBillLemoine

            The topic is hacking Hillary.
            You want to cut half the aims of the Constitution out???

          • bobnstuff

            So you want to get rid of public school, fire departments, public roads, the departments of health and all those socialistic things in our country. You are repeating thing you have heard but don’t really understand. The reason we have a government is to provide service to all for the public good.

          • thekidde

            bobnstuff – Might be a waste of time trying to convince morons of reality, but keep trying. Even getting through to one who’s teetering on right wing nutcakeness is one less wingnut.

          • Nanasfj40

            DrBillLemoine:
            No, YOU need to get an education. The phrase “Promote the general welfare” is in the Preamble but has NOTHING to do with giving the government carte blanche. In Article I, Section 8, it says, “Congress shall have the power…to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.” This also has nothing to do with giving the government the power to do anything it wants. Please read Federalist #41 by James Madison. People complained that the phrase meant the government had the power to do anything they wanted. Madison disabused them of this notion by stating, “But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not ever separated by a longer pause than a semicolon? For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recitation of the particulars.”
            The phrase “promote the general welfare” DOES NOT give the government the power to do anything they want, including welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, Social Security, Obamacare and all those social programs you find so enticing. People who know our Constitution know those ARE socialist ideals and are not allowed to be performed by the government. You are wrong and conservatives who think these programs are socialist in nature are absolutely correct. Now, I’d like to educate you on something else. You’re probably a liberal and love abortion. Read the Preamble…it states it is to “secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.” Posterity means succeeding generations…people not yet born. Whether they are in the womb now or will be in 100 years, the Constitution protects them. Therefore, abortion is unconstitutional.

          • bobnstuff

            I didn’t know that the Federalist Papers were part of the constitution. I though they were written to get some states to pass it and that there was more then three people writing the Constitution. I also thought that it was the SCOUS that decided what the constitution meant. I could be wrong.

          • Nanasfj40

            As I’m sure you know, The Federalist Papers are not part of the Constitution. They were written to explain the new Constitution to the people so it would have a better chance of being adopted. The Supreme Court is supposed to “interpret” the Constitution. But in recent decades, they have taken to making law and nobody has stopped them.

          • bobnstuff

            People have been saying the same thing about the Supreme Court for over two hundred years. It’s been a while since I read them all but I find the greatest supporters of the Federalist Papers have not read them but take others word for what they say and mean. #84 says we don’t need the bill of rights and our rights are protected by the main body. You don’t hear Glenn Beck talking about that one. # 78 defends the power give to the courts. I’m sure Ted Cruz my not agree with that one. What has made out country strong and kept the constitution in place is the ability bring fresh eyes to it and make it work for today’s world.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Keep it real. Nobody said anything about government carte blanche. YOU read the old federalists. I’m living in the 21st century. We the People decide today what is doable under the constitution. You want a dictator?
            And, yes, social programs are necessary today. You want what is not American or un-American. You are a good ‘fall in line’ republican.
            The constitution speaks to the living, what’s going on among citizens, not the unborn. I don’t approve abortion but recognize its place in society. And I follow scripture; what are you following?

          • Nanasfj40

            I follow the Constitution and contrary to what liberals believe, it’s NOT a “living Consitution” that changes with the times.

          • thekidde

            You are dead wrong. Read the founders. Many described it as just that. BTW how do YOU follow the Constitution? Just curious.

          • Gnowark

            thekidde: You are live wrong, and probably have made it into a lifestyle.

          • DrBillLemoine

            The Constitution has always reflected and guided the American people. is what they say it is via 3 branches. You realize if it was unchanging, you would not be voting, probably confined to home and hearth raising children. That’s all.

          • Nanasfj40

            Dr. Bill,
            How fun. You’ve tangled with the wrong person and fallen into my trap. Listen folks: He thinks the Constitution has “always reflected…the American People.” He also thinks the Constitution ” is what they [the people] say it is via 3 branches.” So it changes with the times, right Bill? WRONG! If it just morphs into something more timely, why did we need: (1) a 13th amendment to outlaw slavery?
            (2) A 14th Amendment? The Constitution would just have “evolved” to make slaves citizens. (2) You said, “you realize if it was unchanging, you would not be voting.” And how was the Constitution changed? Did someone in the 3 branches just change the Constitution as you say it happens? No, they went through the amendment process! If the Constitution has always “reflected the American people and is what they say it is via 3 branches,” why would they have needed to pass the 15th Amendment, giving women the right to vote? (4) And here’s the kicker: Why would the founding fathers have included Article V, which sets forth the way to change the Constitution? Read Article V. Changing the Constitution is a long and arduous process. The founders made it that way to prevent people like you from just changing it willy-nilly! The Constitution is not just a “guide”, but the “Supreme Law of the Land.” How can citizens follow “the Supreme Law of the Land” when it is constantly changing according to the whims of a select group of people! Hell, they even used the amendment process to do nothing more than prohibit liquor in the USA! No, the Constitution is not “what they [the people] say it is via the 3 branches.” It is what it says until AMENDED!

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Quit saying keep it real. You sound like a moron. Wait…

          • DrBillLemoine

            If you stick to truth and facts, I won’t have to tell you to be real.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Everything I write is fact. And I don’t mix them up like you do asshole.

          • Nanasfj40

            If the Constitution “speaks to the living” than why did the founding fathers establish it not only for the living but for people not yet born?

          • DrBillLemoine

            I’m sure you’ve heard campaigners and officials talk about the effects of law on their children and future grandchildren. It’s common talk if you pay attention.

          • Nanasfj40

            You follow scripture? Where in the Bible does it say its okay to kill innocent, unborn human beings? And why does it need a “place in society.”

          • DrBillLemoine

            The Old Testament for Jews says in Moses’ Ten Commandments, ‘Thou shalt not kill’. Gospel describing Christ’s Way says in his fulfillment 2 Commandments for Christians, ‘Treat others as you want them to treat you’, meaning no killing. Jehovah and Christ also provide us humans with ‘free will’ to follow him as we would, and to kill others as sinful. Christ will provide the final justice at Judgment Day. We should not kill anybody including the unborn but it’s our choice, if you understand Gospel.

          • thekidde

            So, just crawl back into a cave? The document was written and intended to be a “living” document. One that could be amended to deal with the future. Guess what, it works.

          • thekidde

            Well said. Many on this post have no idea the values promoted in the Constitution.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Thanks. So many posting don’t know or misunderstand the Constitution, some evade its provisions and some (like republican senators) ignore it’s mandates. Keep thinking straight.

          • thekidde

            Your ignorance of reality is apocryphal. Also, being Christian only proves gullibility and brain washing.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            DrBill is the real self-proclaimed Christian in this thread and you keep agreeing with him and defending him. So what does that make you? A Troll?

        • thekidde

          Well said!

    • Richard Nicoletti

      Dr. Bill, you are blind. We were better in 1776. Today’s politicians suck. How do you like Pelosi and Boxer, and, of course, Killary? Are you behind those clowns? ” Let’s pass it so we can see what’s in it.” “General, please address me by my title.” (Boxer, after a 4-star general addressed her as M’am. “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners out of business.” Referring to the people who live by the profession of mining coal, and have been suffering mightily. Are these your people?

      • DrBillLemoine

        I like my creature comforts today–no return to 1776. There’s no comparison of 1776 patriots to pols today.
        Those WOMEN are clearly disdained by you, while they are only (Pelosi) doing their jobs, or (Boxer) insisting on respect from a hat-in-hand financial subordinate, or (Hillary) looking forward to a pollution free globe. Why do you not agree?
        But what is your position on the issue–are you a bait and switch republican, so untrustworthy?

        • Rodney Steward

          You just named the 3 biggest lying sluts in the history of politics! WOW, you’ve taken the Kool-Aid and made popsicle out of it, last longer I guess!

          • DrBillLemoine

            The issue is Hillary emails. You bring in irrelevant issues and people. Get off the sauce and smoke and pills.

          • Rodney Steward

            You broughtem up, I didn’t!! And I don’t do any of those things Sir! And the sauce is Kool-Aid right!!

          • DrBillLemoine

            Poster Nicholetti brought them up, not me.
            Stick to the topic.

        • I Seigel

          It’s clear that some of these morons really do think we were better off in 1776. Small government. No problems with gun ownership.
          Let’s return to those days. Much shorter lifespans, single-shot pistols and rifles, no infrastructure to worry about, just 13 states and a couple million people. Paradise.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I like my creature comforts today. No regression. Actually 1780s were not so rosy with Articles of Confederation guidelines. Government too small. Ever visit a colonial town and houses? Pretty primitive.

          • MarcoPolo

            Of course you must be joking?
            Returning to such primitive understandings of things might satisfy some mindsets, but it does nothing for moving forward socially, culturally or politically.

            I’d agree, the Government has outgrown it’s pants, and changes could be made, but we’re also talking about people’s JOBS.

            I’m guessing ‘you were jesting?!

          • I Seigel

            Jest or sarcasm. Take your pick.

      • Nanasfj40

        Like my mother said back in the 1960’s, “We don’t have Statesmen anymore, they’re just politicians.”

      • bobnstuff

        You know nothing about coal mining or you would understand that it a dying industry and a few people are making big bucks on the backs of the miners. Those people want to get every last dollar and could care less about the health or well being of the miners. By spending money to help those people get new and better jobs all come out on the top except the people who are destroying our earth and the miners for a buck.

    • Carl Mayo

      you’re kidding, right?
      please tell me that was only sarcasm.
      nobody could actually have such a callous attitude toward national security.

      • DrBillLemoine

        Nobody is more security conscious than a SecState. She dispensed no secrets under that label via email. Don’t you keep up with congressional committee reports?

        • Jon Ockunzzi

          At this point, what difference does it make?

          • DrBillLemoine

            The sole purpose of republicans keeping the email drumbeat going is to make weak minded voters think Hillary is not truthful or presidential material. That’s a big difference.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Doesn’t matter if you are a Republican or a Socialist or a Bullmoose or a Whig. Hillary is not presidential material. There are at least 16 books about her written by Secret Service agents who were assigned to protect her when Slick Willy was president. The agents all considered it punishment duty to protect her. She treated them like dog shit on the bottom of her shoe. Look it up. You don’t even have to buy a book. Many of her quotes are on line. And she has the gall to say Trump has a bad mouth (he does but that’s beside the point). Hillary may be a sweetheart in front of the cameras but when they stop rolling she is a nasty foul mouthed evil bitch. And that’s a fact, Jack……..ass.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Of course you realize those military/police types are cut from the same mold–conservative. Small wonder they bring an attitude to the first family of liberals and you repeat it in your posts without cause.

    • Francisco Machado

      Any communication from a foreign leader or state department to our State Department is classified at its creation and remains so until released by the source. It has to be released by the sender before it can be declassified by our State Department, including Hillary. That includes the mundane, like “The PM will be arriving at LaGuardia on flight 301 at 1430 hours.” or “I’ll meet you for tea at Lindy’s, eleven this morning.” Consequently, Hillary may have the authority to declassify every communication she originates, but she does not have the authority to declassify documents coming from foreign powers. They have to declassify them first. In any case, if Hillary never received or transmitted classified information as Secretary of State, what purpose did she serve? (O.K., I realize the purpose she served had nothing to do with the title). There is also evidence showing that she deliberately directed that the “classified” heading be removed from information and the information be transmitted without it. That failure is undeniable. Note that others have been prosecuted for far less.

      • DrBillLemoine

        The issue is not secret foreign transmissions but what Hillary sent. Don’t mix issues. BTW there’s a process for declassifying stuff, not up to Hillary alone.
        The sole issue is her transmissions, so you are confounding a simple issue.
        Comparing the SecState to others is irrelevant. Very mixed up post by you.

      • bobnstuff

        You mean like all the stuff Snowden gave us. The State Department is so secure isn’t it. Did any of Hillary’s email end up in the news. The only ones that the press got they got from congress. One other little thing, isn’t the state department the ones that decide if something is classified and wasn’t Hillary the head of that department?

        • Jon Ockunzzi

          If you read the whole article carefully you will see that some of Hillary’s emails were leaked. Allow me to cut and paste. “Writing under his alias Guccifer, Lazar released to media outlets in March 2013 multiple exchanges between Blumenthal and Clinton. They were first reported by the Smoking Gun.” Reading for comprehension is wonderful isn’t it.

          • bobnstuff

            He hacked a AOL account belonging to Blumenthal, my 11 year old grandson could do that.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            And he found emails from Hillary’s “secure” email server to and from Blumenthal’s AOL account that your 11 year old grandson could hack. I rest my case.

    • Triple J Jackson

      Keep it Honest Bill! Seems like America has been tell Bill to keep it honest along time.
      Two words for you because I don’t really care or better “What difference does it make” what she did on her E-mail. What matters is these two words
      REMEMBER BENGHAZI!!!!!

      • DrBillLemoine

        YOU remember Benghazi. State Department has analyzed and fixed all issues attached. It’s partisans who continue poking the dead disrespectfully.

        • Rodney Steward

          Yeh, and if U like your doctor U can keep him too!

          • DrBillLemoine

            The doctor I choose may not accept my insurance coverages. Likewise the insurance I like may not have my doctors on its list. Keep it real.

          • bobnstuff

            Every time my company changed insurance companies I lost my doctor or I could pay them myself so…
            Do you even know when Obama said that. The bill hadn’t been passed yet or even finished.

        • Gnowark

          Well, of course drbillylemoine. This isn’t like when DOJ investigated Nixon, this is now when there are no longer any e-mails that say “classified,” just the ones that say “remove the headers that say classified and send it away as a regular e-mail” (paraphrased). Another success for subterfuge, by subterfugian hilLIARy

          • DrBillLemoine

            Difference–Nixon was a crook from the get-go; Hillary is not at all, never was.
            You are making up a story when the committee record by republicans is clear–nothing illegal.

        • Nanasfj40

          Yeah, the State Department as “fixed” all issues regarding Benghazi…like hiding emails that showed Hillary, Susan Rice, et al lied! YOU need to stop drinking the Kool Aid and “get real.” Conservatives think while Liberals just “feel.”

          • DrBillLemoine

            It’s a pipe dream of you and conservatives hating Hillary. There’s no evidence of anything being hidden. YOU keep it real.

  • Robert Trusty

    It’ll be about time this lady pays for all her crimes.

    • Jill Graves

      Robert, nothing is going to happen to her, she did not commit a crime, if you did it, it would be a crime. If she did it then it was okay, just ask most liberals.

      • Robert Trusty

        Hey we can hope can’t we?lol

        • Ken says

          Hope and keep the pressure on the FBI and talk about it – she keeps escaping justice by making it “go away”

        • The Redhawk

          it is all that Obama makes AVAILABLE via HIS DOJ ( AWOL at Present)

          • AKLady

            What?
            You are making no sense, whatsoever.

          • The Redhawk

            that proves that YOU ARE STUPID!!

          • AKLady

            Only stupid one here is you.

          • The Redhawk

            Are you one of those MEDIA MATTERS PLANTS packed in Horse-S*it???… or is SHI-T-lery paying you???

          • AKLady

            Childish vulgar language.
            .
            Come back and talk to me when you can speak and act like an adult.

          • The Redhawk

            You’ would not know an Adult if it smacked you in the Face.. BTW still Kneeling to give BJ’S???

          • MarcoPolo

            The nice (AK)Lady simply asked you to mind your manners. I don’t think that’s so difficult……is it?

          • MarcoPolo

            The absenteeism of Bush was eight-fold that of Obama.
            So be fair in your denigration.
            Go Bernie Sanders, GO!!!!

          • The Redhawk

            Sure go LENIN , GO Mao…way to go Ben Rhodes…you MORON!

          • MarcoPolo

            Unless you can describe the connection to your reference to Communism, Democratic-Socialism is not what you think it is.
            Specifically, the Fire Department, Police dept. Public School systems are ALL Democratic-Socialist systems, and we all seem comfortable with that!

            So why such negativism over an improved system?

          • The Redhawk

            Guess you were not EDUCATED in HISTORY after all.. the Desvriptions are in SECOND GRADE HISTORY BOOKS.. LOOK thatm UP

          • MarcoPolo

            I’m apparently not as smart as you, as I wasn’t introduced to History class until I was in fourth grade.
            And even then, Communism was just something we used to duck under our desks to avoid.

            As for academia, you might want to check your spelling before posting. But then, I don’t mind being taught new words.

      • madhatter46

        Aristotle wrote, “we hang petty thieves, while we elect the big ones.” Shame on “We, the People.”

        • AKLady

          It takes one to know one

          • madhatter46

            O yeah–well my daddy is bigger than your daddy and my mommy said to tell you–sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me–how’s that for childish responses? Peace and happy thoughts.

      • itsfun

        She is proving she is above the law.

        • bobnstuff

          Like Trump!

          • mfrench

            Do tell. It appears you admire a woman who has broken the law too many times to count, and let our Americans die in Bengazi. Disgusting person. She deserves to rot in jail.

          • bobnstuff

            How may Americans has Trump killed, do you know? How may companies has Trump destroyed by not paying his bills. How any foreigners did Trump bring in to take jobs from Americans so he could save money.

            I keep asking people if they know what Stevens died from and how sending more people into harms way would have helped. I’m no great Hillary fan but I do hate people talking about things with out understand the whole story.

          • itsfun

            How many people have died because of Hillary? How much foreign money for her foundation has she taken for favors?

          • AKLady

            Why do you need to tell this lie?
            Why do you embarrass America this way?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to lie?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to repeat lies?

          • itsfun

            First I asked 2 questions? Second, when 22 Top Secret United States documents are compromised people can die. Names of agents are on such documents, those agents can be killed by enemies. Try doing a search asking for lies told by Hillary, and then tell me why it is acceptable for Hillary to lie.

          • Gnowark

            What some call a lie, is in reality to everyone else, a very inconvenient truth to the accuser,
            Reality has a way of spoiling a dream-world.
            I am NOT a progressive, I have no reason to lie.
            I am not a socialist. Goebbels, a National Socialist, said ““If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”

          • thekidde

            The asshole Trump (Drumpf) has declared bankruptcy a dozen times, but he’s rich – explain that. As far as Bengazi goes, shit happens in war zones. A rescue attempt was underway but too late. Did you forget “war is hell”?

          • bobnstuff

            Lets keep it to the facts, he only declared bankruptcy four times. The banks bailed him out a few times that were not bankruptcies.

          • AKLady

            When was the last time a bank bailes you out?
            Have you seen the ads for Trump brand soda on QVC?

          • Rodney Steward

            Your a D’N LIE, there was no rescue planned! You think war’s hell, U hadn’t seen it yet!

          • Gnowark

            And the Clintons were “dead broke” when they left the White House (probably why they had to steal White House furnishings when they left). Good thing they live in USA, they were able to get a hundred million dollars since. I can’t explain either, or I’d be rich and powerful, also.

          • bobnstuff

            By Trumps standards they were. Bill ran up a bunch of legal bills while in office. They weren’t worth more then a couple of hundred thousand dollars.

          • Gnowark

            “Legal bills while in office,” inplies legal difficulties that I cannot imagine honest, upright, decent people having to pay (unlike Nixon or Obama). If I recall, hitlery herself described she and blue-dress-bill as being “dead broke,” without any comparison to Gates, Soros, or Trump. Or did I just miss that you really appreciate hyperbole?

          • bobnstuff

            Had Bill just said he had gotten a BJ from the girl and made her out to be a slut he would have had no problems but he did what a gentlemen was raise to do and said she had done nothing. He should have thrown her under the bus and destroyed her as a low life tramp who would trap a married man into an act in a weak moment. It’s funny that Trump is trying to use Bills action against Hillary when he brags about sleeping with married women and is on wife number three after cheating on one and two. Maybe someone should look at his wife’s history since she will be the first lady.His wife will make history as the first wife of a president to pose nude.

          • itsfun

            They also were able to make a 850 thousand dollar down payment on their house when they were “dead broke” Makes me wish I was dead broke.

          • bert shaw

            BOB GO-N-STUFFIT UP YOUR AZZZZ from a former U.S. Marine and Viet Nam Combat Veteran its people like you that make me ashamed that I fought to give you liberal azzzzholes a voice

          • bobnstuff

            A guy who slept in the mud to save us from commies. When you came home no one cared. Trump sure didn’t. He can’t remember which foot kept him out. He believe that going to military school is equal to your service. This is the guy you support. And you call me an Azzzzhole.

          • AKLady

            What commies might that have been?

          • bobnstuff

            The Domino Theory. Better dead then red!

          • bert shaw

            YES!!!!!

          • Rodney Steward

            Don’t forget, Bill-Bob Clinton went to Canada, he was a draft dodger, or a big PU, or what ever U want to call the HOE hopper!

          • bobnstuff

            I like Bush Jr. He couldn’t even bother to show up for his service. Must be nice to be the son of the head of the CIA.

          • The Redhawk

            HEY MORON did you ever PILOT an F-111 Delta wing unstable jet fighter at MACH 1????

          • bobnstuff

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/12/uselections2004.usa2
            GW Bush’s lost year. Mach 1 with a hangover.
            Must be nice to be part of American Royalty.

          • The Redhawk

            Face book , Cliton Foundation or just a STUPID planted in Horse S8IT plant???

          • MarcoPolo

            You needn’t brag about the Military Industrial Complex and your attachment to it.

          • The Redhawk

            So are you from the Clinton Foundation?? face book?? or Media matters?/ a paid potted in HORSE S*it plant??

          • MarcoPolo

            I speak only for myself, but I’m glad to know you are familiar with manure, and it’s magical powers to assist growth.

          • The Redhawk

            Sure enough, the GROWTH of Socialist FUNGI that only can come from Horse Manure..Perfect for Progressive Libtards to meet their Cousins

          • The Redhawk

            SLICK fled to Russia while Draft Dodging in England at the sime time that SHILERY was being Inducted in the Alinsky ” KILL AMERICA” commie Doctrine!!!

          • AKLady

            It is vulgar bigots such as yourself who shame America.
            The only things Vietnam provided for Americas was a lot of graves and $ billions for the Military Industrial Complex.

          • The Redhawk

            Still giving BJ’s for a living are you??

          • MarcoPolo

            Funny that you didn’t realize that those Wars were completely unnecessary, and dare we admit (even admitted by Jeb Bush and others) that Iraq was a “mistake”!
            So when my draft number was outside of the last call-up in ’73, the climate of War by those Hawks seeking Empire building was finally being swayed away from more destruction and wasted deaths. Hallelujah!

            One should ALWAYS be ashamed to fight a War declared by Asshat War Hawks! You are smarter than that, I’m sure, but Thank You for your service nonetheless. This is a great country, and we DO need to defend it. That’s why I fear candidates like Trump.
            True, Hillary is a War Hawk too!
            Go Bernie Sanders, GO!!!

          • The Redhawk

            SEMPER FI bro….. Time to “STUFF” libtards1!!

          • The Redhawk

            he’s another one of those Clinton? Media matters? soros paid POTTED PLANTS IN HORSE MANURE!! IGNORE them and they’l wilt!

          • Rodney Steward

            As U said below bootystuff, lets keep the facts straight, Trump has killed no one, and how do you know that Stevens couldn’t have been saved! Beck had the men on his show that were there on the ground ready to go, 3 hrs before he was killed, and were told to stand down! They said they were told that 4 times!! Now, who’s fault is it, the black house thug, or the lying slut! Don’t look like you know whole story either! It truly is a disease!

          • AKLady

            Trump and his daddy have made thousands of poor people homeless. Both he and his father have been sued by thw DOJ for rental discrimination.
            There can be no doubt that homelessness kills people.

          • Rodney Steward

            The same thing the DEMS are doing with the blacks!

          • bobnstuff

            http://www.nydailynews.com/news/substandard-construction-trump-soho-led-fatal-collapse-city-sources-article-1.344771
            This guy died because Trumps company violated safety standards to save money. You will also find a mob connection.

            The Guy on Becks show was later found to be a fraud.

          • Rodney Steward

            The Guy as you are saying, was 4 GUYS, they were all part of the same team ready to go, but were to NO! And pretty sure that the order came from both, the brown clown and the slut, after all, they were running guns to terrorist, and dead men can’t talk, and spill the beans! And I hate it the guy died, but SH happens!

          • bobnstuff

            I’m sure that the president was called and said let Stevens die. Here is something to think about. How does a person get an order while standing at a airfield in Libya? Do you think that those four man had hot lines to Obama or Hillary? How did they get there orders? Ever thought about that. I don’t suppose you know how they were planning to get to Benghazi do you. We had no planes at that airport. Don’t you ever wonder about these things. Now the last place one should go looking for facts or the truth is Glenn. He has stated that he is not a news show but an entertainment show. He will sell you gold though

          • Rodney Steward

            First off, you have a commander that U get your orders from, he gets his from the base commander, and from there its who ever is his boss, it’s called chain of command, and like all other rescues, we use CHOPPERS, and yes there were plans in the area! n ask for fly overs from a couple of jet fighters, this sometimes makes the crowd leave, but that was refused also! I spent 12 years in the military and know how it works! What have you ever done half way good for your country, anything, or have you been an Obama type, loser! You don’t have a clue about Benghazi, like I said, the left is a sickness!

          • Rodney Steward

            Benghazi was a set up!!

          • bobnstuff

            And where was that chopper? We had non in Libya, the closest one of ours was in Italy. We had no base in Libya, no planes, no nothing. We had to borrowed a plane to get people there from our embassy.From what I can find it was this borrowed plane that our four hero’s where told they couldn’t get on. See now you are thinking about how the order would have gotten through but there is one problem here. No one other then those four men ever heard the order. In this case there would have been at least four people involve in this order and there would have been a paper trail because you can be sure everyone of those people would cover the butt on this one. In all those hearings no paper trail has been uncovered. Doesn’t that seem strange to you. As I say I’m not a big Hillary fan but in this case I think there is a lot of people trying to hang this on her and make it seem a lot different then the facts. In the past this would have lasted a week or two and then we would have moved on. Fox News has way to much power when they can get the government to waste millions of dollars on this one event.

          • Rodney Steward

            LOL, You would make a great story teller, and along with the sickness of be a Dem, comes the UNINFORMED part, sad! I told you the truth, you can keep trying to twist it anyway possible, but this is the norm for the Obama clown, after all, he finds out everything from the news when we do, what’s you problem, no TV!

          • bobnstuff

            I’m not a big Hillary fan as I have said but the stories on the right wing media made no sense so I started digging and there are a lot of things in the story that doesn’t add up. Forget Hillary and any involvement, look at the stories that have been told by different people and check out the reality of things. We have no military in Libya. We have no bases near Libya. We had no way to quickly get troops there. These are things you can check. Stevens know that the area was not secure and choose to go anyway. He had done things like this in the past and believed he would be safe. He didn’t fear the locals, The station chief know there was a problem and sent letters saying as much but Stevens didn’t back him up and no one wanted to admit that Libya wasn’t safe. This is were Hillary should be taking the beating. She trusted Stevens view instead of the person who know what he was doing. Those four guys on Mr. Becks show most likely would have died if they hadn’t been stopped. The orders didn’t come from Washington for them to stand down, no one has ever proved they did. It was the guy in charge on the ground in Libya most likely that said to stand down and sent them to protect the Embassy. There are a lot of people saying a lot of things and facts are not always easy to find but I try to look for what makes the most sense not what helps or hurts Clinton. It will make a number of historians very happy in years to come trying to make order out of this. Who knows I might just try writing the book myself.

          • AKLady

            Why do you need to tell this lie?
            Why do you embarrass America this way?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to lie?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to repeat lies?

          • Rodney Steward

            You’ve always got these same lines and they fit you real well also!!

          • AKLady

            Why do you need to tell this lie?
            Why do you embarrass America this way?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to lie?
            Why do you believe it is acceptable to repeat lies?

          • MarcoPolo

            If people ever really reviewed History, they’d see that deaths at Embassies around the world were immensely worse during the administrations of: Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II, than during President Obama’s.
            Yet, that seems to be the only thing people can remember! Hmm!!!

          • itsfun

            nope Trump hasn’t made our national security at risk, or lied to the families of the Benghazi murders.

          • bobnstuff

            Trump lied to his wives and everyone else. What Hillary told the families turned out to be true but you didn’t get that memo did you. What favors are you talking about, name one.

          • itsfun

            Is there a man alive that hasn’t lied to his wife at one time or another? Hillary did lie to the families. Every family has said that. All the families are not going to lie about something like that. She lied and you are trying to tell people she never did. Next you will say she didn’t lie about dodging bullets when she was getting off the plane in Bosnia.
            http://liberallyconservative.com/hillary-clintons-laundry-list-of-lies/
            https://byteboy.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/list-of-ten-hillary-clinton-lies/

          • Rodney Steward

            These Faaaaaaar left idiots are truly sick puppies!

          • used_to_be_a_liberal

            or broken any other laws, go have some from with the hilda-beast, go see what she will do for you, or rather to you.

          • bobnstuff

            Look at the fines Trump pays, If it was you or me we would be in jail. Unlike Hillary he has been convicted in a court of law.

          • used_to_be_a_liberal

            List them, show them.

          • bobnstuff
          • itsfun

            I did a YAHOO search asking what crimes has Donald Trump been convicted of. The search came back with no convictions of crimes. I did a search asking how many time has trump been fined. He got fined for buying a wig from a company that used a endangered animal hair. The Taj Mahal Casino was fined, but Trump did not run the resort or its holding company. They use his name only. He does have a 10% interest in the company but has no management power in it.

          • bobnstuff

            I gave links above, do you need more?

          • bobnstuff

            The charges go back a number of years and Trump own it for most of them. He lost control with his last bankruptcy.

          • bobnstuff

            Yet, he is trying to though.

          • AKLady

            Really?
            You are incorrect on both counts.
            There has been a global outcry since Mr Trump made his ignorant remarks.

          • itsfun

            Mr Trump has done nothing to put our national security at risk. He didn’t allow 22 top secret documents to be hacked. He didn’t down size our military. He didn’t tell countries the exact date our military would leave, so the enemy could just build up their strength for that date. If there is a global outcry, it is because the piss ant countries know that Trump won’t take their crap and bow down to them.

          • AKLady

            Sounds like Christ’s second coming.
            Tru,p hearlds the end of the world

          • itsfun

            Nope; just sounds like someone that is tired of Hillary being above the law.

          • The Redhawk

            RIGHT MORON!! RIGHT ON…

          • The Redhawk

            another Planted in Horse S*it Clinton plant on media matters payroll, is that what you are??

      • AKLady

        If he did it, there still would be no crime.

    • 7papa7

      Actually it is long past time that she pays for her crimes from murder to lying to congressional committees to white water and the list goes on and on and on and on. The one absolute is that she will be meeting the perfect judge at the White Throne judgement and you can NOT get away with anything from Jesus.

      • Ken says

        Don’t let her off the hook NOW just because God will deal with her later. An attitude of don’t worry about it – God will take care of her for us. The time is now – God can finish it later.

        • 7papa7

          She does need to be dealt with now but under an obama administration I can’t see that happening even though it should happen. If it gets delayed and we get a decent president then it will be dealt with.

    • The Redhawk

      If she were a mid range Gov’t worker she’d had been JAILED years ago …BUT Lynch of DOJ is taking Orders from BHOZO to Delay since BHozo needs a great amount of CYA…. WE LACK an HONEST and Working DOJ nad AG for 7+ years after r all…….

    • itsfun

      I would never call her a “lady”

    • Irv Cohn

      Lady,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,????????? I can think of a lot more appropriate terms for her. Irv

    • savage

      it’a man,you english speaking olny ignorant!

      • savage

        I have to apologise to you.I didn’t know you’re writing about hitlery clinton.That’s because you named her a lady,wich she isn’t.ladies are not as ugly as her.

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