Sore Losers

by
December 14, 2016

The message on Carol Side’s voicemail went from unusual to disturbing as the stranger who left it implored and begged her to vote for Hillary Clinton.

The man said he was relaying the message straight from God, who was calling on the 538 members set to ratify Donald Trump’s victory Monday to do the right thing by ignoring the results of the Electoral College.

Then things went off the rails.

“He started uncontrollably crying on the phone, and in order to delete it, you had to listen to the whole message,” Ms. Side said. “The words were over, and I think it went on for another two minutes with him sobbing. He went in with a normal voice to someone who lost it completely.”

More than a month after Mr. Trump’s election victory Nov. 8, Clinton supporters and anti-Trump forces are struggling to come to grips with the outcome, and their frustration has manifested itself into a last-ditch attempt to convince

  • NM Leon

    These libtards need to go to their safe spaces, suck their thumbs, and pet puppies, and let the adults get on with it.

  • jandjnesbitt@aol.com

    You need a photo ID to do most everything in modern Society;…

    You don’t need a photo ID to vote, but you do need one to buy alcohol and cigarettes.

    Despite what the left has said in the debate over Voter ID laws, it’s pretty clear that you need a photo ID to do pretty much anything, and The Washington Examiner has put together a long list.

    You need one to open a bank account, or to apply for a job to fill that bank account.

    You also need an ID to file for unemployment, and to apply for welfare, and Medicaid, and food stamps.

    You need a photo ID to apply for Social Security

    And to buy a home, and apply for a mortgage, or to rent a home.

    You need a photo ID to drive a car, you need one to buy a new car, to buy a used car, heck, you even need one to rent a car.

    You need a photo ID to get on an airplane, and you need one to get married, and you need one to check into a hotel room for your honeymoon.

    You need a photo ID to buy a gun, and to apply for a hunting license and a fishing license, and even to adopt a pet.

    You need a photo ID to pick up a prescription, you need one to buy certain kinds of cold medicine, and you need one to donate blood.

    You need a photo ID to enter a casino, and you need one to buy lottery tickets.

    You need one to buy a video game that’s rated M for Mature, and you need one to see a movie rated NC-17.

    You need a photo ID to buy a cell phone and apply for a coverage plan and, in perhaps the greatest irony of the entire Voter ID debate, you need a photo ID to hold a rally or protest, such as a rally or protest against requiring a photo ID to vote.

    Read more: http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/a-long-list-of-things-you-12320312/#ixzz4Sv8Lehl5

  • Webb

    AK…Needs a Safety Pin…

  • AKLady2015

    The 24th to the Constituion, rsatified on January 23, 1964, made poll taxes illegal. If you require identification to vote, then you must provide the ID free of charge.

    • NM Leon

      Every state that requires ID also will provide one for free…idiot.

  • AKLady2015

    Trump has won nothing.
    The Electoral College elects the President.
    The Electoral College does not vote until Dec. 19.

    • NM Leon

      Go to your safe space and suck your thumb.

      • AKLady2015

        The Constitution is what it is.

  • Rodney Steward

    These Dems are sure pushing the Russian bullshi$ to the max, and actually think they’re gonna turn the tables with Hellary, or a scam to keep the Opey in! Now that Obama has his muslim brothers in the CIA helping push this crap has things going crazy!! Remember, the CIA director, John Brennan is muslim, and it’s OK to lie in their cult!

  • DrBillLemoine

    No, it’s not so much the electoral college outcome, although that’s still in question with Russian hacking everywhere and conservatives remarkably not interested in pursuing security, but the emerging administration and corruption. Commies are everywhere; government neophytes threaten both ineptitude and malfeasance; anti-government appointees presage dropping services millions depend upon; known malcontents and disruptors promise anarchy or uprisings among career bureaucrats; proven liars already misrepresent the nation and its policies; business gurus haven’t divested their interests, tax free or not. And there are many more traits that indicate to the thoughtful citizen how we are headed for trouble at home and abroad under Trump. All of this is fact and known before inauguration and hearings for the administration. That’s not sour grapes, not speculation, not guesswork–and it’s certainly not sour grapes.

    • Worried Vet

      I’m not sure but I have looked at what Obama has done about hacking and it’s pretty much zero. Now it’s a big deal since Hillary lost. Now if she had won and the GOP were saying this, I bet there wouldn’t be anyone at the top complaint, they would do all that could to ignore any topic about election fraud. I also bet 90% of the media would spin or ignore all together. I don’t see how people with common sense can’t see the obvious of so as I say not as I do the liberals expect people to take. It’s a bit wrong and immoral to me. I used to vote for who I thought was the best, no matter the party. I now wouldn’t vote for any democrat period. I can’t trust anything most of them say or their records. Just look at what this recount found in Detroit found. Voter fraud and hillary won 95% of that vote, now who did that benefit?

      • DrBillLemoine

        Clearly you are reflecting reality. Trump, as the beneficiary of hacking, won the election whether directly or indirectly. Mr. Obama has done nothing so far, although he did say his response might not be noticed by the general public.
        At this point I believe we can’t/won’t know the extent of effects of Putin’s hacking efforts–news of international spy services showing the Russian was directly responsible for such efforts because of Hillary’s sanctions and confrontation of Russian propaganda. It’s just not feasible to pinpoint sources when they are spies under cover today from many nations. But they do concur in blaming Putin directly. Remember its moderate Democrats, not liberals, in charge in the executive branch and they have been checked for 6 years by stick-in-the-mud Republicans. Hence Obamacare deteriorated without needed modifications; executive orders resolved pressing needs when congress wouldn’t/failed to act; needed reforms in taxes, immigration, jobs, paychecks were stonewalled by congress. I’m just thankful that we are not in austerity budgeting that’s killed European nations, recession or depression that Bernancke and Geithner resolved; national security industry bankruptcies that the Fed avoided.
        And there’s no proven voter fraud that you report; in a severely impacted city like Detroit under a State appointed fiscal czar with so many minority voters, it’s no surprise that many election districts are close to 100% in favor of Hillary, just like Obama before her. That’s more reality from MI-R Gov. Snyder’s severely partisan Republican rule which eliminated democracy in a handful of cities choosing fiscal czars to rule and other decisions that changed water supplies in Flint that poisoned thousands of residents. That’s also reality, so either be partisan and selective in your news reporting, or be real and trustful of legal things like voter registrations. You can’t have it both real and phony at the same time.

        • Worried Vet

          First I had a top secret clearance during Vietnam. Second I understand the rules and how to find facts, I don’t assume anything. Third one thing for sure with tons of proof, is liberal policies don’t work and never will. There is no common sense with the idea that spending money will solve all your problems. When any business has to borrow money to keep running, most will set down and try and fix the causes that put them in the shape their in. That’s called common sense, where you don’t throw good money after bad. If they borrow from a bank, that bank most the time will want an action plan before lending. Now if our so called politicians were held up to the same standards, maybe our debt wouldn’t be to the point of us going bankrupt. This country has been ran by elites for way to long. They worry about two things staying in power and getting richer. Most don’t care about the public until election time, and that’s only registered voters. I have never put phony information out. I do research, since I don’t believe any of the media. This day and age we can’t take it for granted the media is fair and not without some motive to further their agenda. I am sort of a history buff about WWII since I had many family members who served. Just look at the history of the Nazi’s and how they took control and how that turned out. They started out and finished still using propaganda starting with the young people in schools being brainwashed to adding laws making it against the law to think for yourself. Many thousands of free thinkers died because they didn’t like the Nazi’s and spoke up. The liberals for years have taken over colleges, have control from elementary to high schools, and the media. The PC crowd have taken over period. When a Christian couple can be sued out of business because they refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding, it’s time to look long and hard. That used to be one of our greatest freedoms you can’t use religious beliefs when hiring or firing but it can be used to ruin Christian lives. To me that’s one set of rules for certain people and another for the others. I have no problem with gay people, I have good friends that are gay. We have had many chats, but they don’t try to force it on me or take me to court for what my beliefs and rights are. This PC crap is causing nothing but hate and division and that’s wrong no matter what people think. The media thrives on this, to make money and most are die hard liberals. People on the view can say what they want, to me they should thank god they live in this country. Most any other country they would be arrested or worst. Maybe it’s time we start being happy we live in this country instead of fighting. The liberals calling people names instead of a real debate, just makes this country worse. I have yet to meet a die hard liberal willing to debate honest facts. I have seen real brainwashing and it’s effects and believe me liberals and brainwashing have much in common.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Much confused thinking here. Your security clearances has nothing to do with today’s hacking that didn’t exist in your time.
            What ‘rules’ do you understand, a blanket statement that needs proof here to be believed.
            ‘Liberal’ (a term used loosely by those with sloppy thinking) economic policies saved us from Depression in 2008-9, thanks to our president. Regulations by rather conservative Fed governors stabilized our monetary system and solidified banks–more ‘liberal’ policies than your deregulations.
            If spending money doesn’t work, why does Trump want a public works program on infrastructure, costing up to $4 TRILLION dollars, the grandmother of all spending programs?
            I’m for effectiveness and efficiency, always used them myself in public service. Private businesses borrowing money are not the same as government works. ‘Shovel ready’ projects still take many months, even years to plan, bid and execute, something impatient conservatives still don’t understand in public.
            BTW the USA cannot go bankrupt. If by elites running the country you mean educated, get used to it. All of Trump’s appointees are highly educated, so you are simply anti-intellectual.
            I agree about ‘some’ politicians simply staying in office and doing nothing. You might apply that standard to recent congressmen in the Freedom Caucus, elected by base Republicans, but not held to account.
            Considering the Nazis, you might want to compare Trump and family to them gaining power. Striking similarities with media treatment, oppression of dissidents at Trump rallies, retribution on tweets and media interviews toward former campaign opponents, extensive use of family and ideologues in his administration, etc. His bromance with commie Putin is noteworthy.
            Finally you must be very careful about info sources to make valid conclusions. Much false news is out there, manipulated by Putin, alt-right and other nefarious actors.

          • Worried Vet

            Top secret clearance is something I do understand, even though some rules have changed. Hillary broke many laws for someone so far up the ladder, who should have known better. Really fourth in line and she can’t remember and lied and ignored the proof of what she did was wrong. I am very careful what I read, saying that the proof is looking at any large city or state ran by liberals. They are broke and getting deeper in debt, and also wanting to defy federal laws to keep felons here. They are going to spend more money to fight the laws in place. Taxpayer money. Cities like Detroit, Baltimore, and the whole state of California are broke to name a few. Now look at the numbers of how they voted. Look at who has been in charge for decades and the inner cities are in really bad shape. Obama has spent more taxpayer money than all presidents before him. Trump seems to think he can pay for his projects, so we should give him a chance to prove himself. We sure as hell gave Obama a chance. I can’t find very much he did anything that was a benefit for Americans. I have seen lots of shady things happen, and people need to ask questions and not ignore it because of loyalty to the democrat party. To me this loyalty is insane with all the proof that should make people want to know the truth. I don’t vote for one party, never have. I don’t believe in all that, I want to pick the one I hope is best. I do know all this crying and the CIA refusing to show Congress will keep my from voting period. The issue of Russia was brought up when Trump said he would keep them guessing after the election. Hillary called it horrible and other things now with the losing they have went crazy about Russian hacking. When you see them trying to change the elections along with the rules,, it’s time to give up on all of them. I call the elites the power brokers that worry about getting richer, staying in power and not living under the laws they pass for us. The attitude that they know better how to run our lives and they don’t have to is wrong. I don’t care how much money they have, their no better than any of us. Most of them look down on poor and working people. Wikileaks proved that. I have yet to hear one denial those emails are fake. I have yet to see proof they are fake. All I have seen is democrats pissed off because they got caught, and we the people have a right to know the truth. We should have all the information possible before we vote. I would bet that if just most the truth of what they hide from us came out, the people would run all of them out of town. That what elites are. They lie and hide from us anything that will upset their power and money. That goes for all parties and the media.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Nobody has filed any charges against Hillary, not congress, not FBI, not Justice, not private individuals stalking her for years. Yet you hang on–why?
            Despite the best efforts of Congress, FBI, Putin and more, no proof exists as you want to believe. What you read tells everything about you–singularly narrow and limited to partisan boilerplate judging by your post and presumed knowledge of secrecy. Get up to speed–2016.
            Are you blaming Hillary and her foundation for controlling and manipulating large cities, states, ignoring what laws, public monies, or just liberals? I guess the demented rate equal opportunity and justice under the law, revenue sharing within states–you???
            Bush2 spend surplus into $15 Trillion of debt with his congresses. Obama–$4-5 Trillion. Your math stinks.
            Also, you ignore the role of Republican or conservative fat cats who have bought the congress and states we now enjoy as ‘do nothing’, ‘know nothing’, enable 50% ownership of the nation’s assets and diverting 52% of current income into their pockets. The only thing Dems have caught is the flu from that corruption of money, internal malpractice in the DNC, failure to relate good policies to ordinary Americans. That’s not Hillary alone.

          • Worried Vet

            I include all of them. You proved my point Hillary is above the law. Keeping top secret info on an non secure server is against the law. Sending or receiving top secret info using a non secure server is against the law. Lying to the FBI is against the law. Lying to us claiming she didn’t send or receive classified info is immoral. Hiding or deleting classified or any department info is against the law. No one pressed charges only because she is a Clinton. There are many examples of people in jail for doing much less. Trump hasn’t been charged or convicted of any crimes but the media and liberals have him in jail if you listen to them. So tell me how is that fair. Oh never mind your either a paid troll or ak lady with a new name so I block people like that. When they can’t see the truth and have tunnel vision, and keep spouting spin I see on TV so don’t bother responding.

          • Helland

            Who were the two Congressmen recently convicted and sentenced for fraud?

            Will I see you at the Trump rally in Orlando this evening?

          • NM Leon

            “‘Liberal’ (a term used loosely by those with sloppy thinking) economic policies saved us from Depression in 2008-9, thanks to our president.”

            You have zero comprehension of economics. No wonder your financial services business failed, you are an idiot, Billy Boy, and even the far left says so. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/3/1/1069679/-Did-President-Obama-Save-Us-From-a-Second-Great-Depression-NO

            “If spending money doesn’t work, why does Trump want a public works program on infrastructure, costing up to $4 TRILLION dollars, the grandmother of all spending programs?”

            Let’s see, because infrastructure that was designed with a 20 year life-span is sometimes 60 years old? Because two or three nukes above the stratosphere (or a natural EMP as happened in 1859) would fuse our electric grid, eliminating all electrical power in the U.S., killing tens of millions, putting us back in the horse and buggy age without horses or buggies?

            What do you think Trump is trying to fix with massive spending? What do you think spending money “works” on? Your (bastardized) Keynesian bullschitte says public spending will ameliorate a recession (though John Maynard never advocated borrowing the money to spend), do you think we are in a recession?

            “Considering the Nazis, you might want to compare Trump and family to them gaining power. Striking similarities with media treatment, oppression of dissidents at Trump rallies, retribution on tweets and media interviews toward former campaign opponents, extensive use of family and ideologues in his administration, etc”

            Treatment of the media? You mean the media that we have conclusive proof colluded with the Hildabeast campaign? How would you think he should treat his proven enemies.

            Oppression of “dissidents”? You mean like this? http://www.theamericanmirror.com/clinton-campaign-losing-patience-bill-rape-protesters/ Oh wait, that’s a Hildabeast rally.

            Do you understand the meaning of the word “retribution”? It would be difficult if not impossible to punish someone with Twitter.

            Yeah, Hitler had so many family members in his government it’s hard to identify them all…oh wait, he had two low level nephews that were captured by the Soviets…that’s it.

            As for ideologues, can you say Obozo?

            “Finally you must be very careful about info sources to make valid conclusions. Much false news is out there, manipulated by Putin, alt-right and other nefarious actors.”

            Really? We know you aren’t talking about the DNC or Podesta emails since number one they were all factual, so what false news has Putin “manipulated”? Inquiring minds want to know.

        • NM Leon

          We haven’t seen any evidence of actual “hacking”, we know that Podesta was stupid enough to fall for a phishing scam (not hacking) and there have been rumors that the DNC emails came from a whistle blower.

          In any case, whoever gave the material to Assange, it was all factual.

          If Trump won (as you say) because of Wikileaks, then he won because the voters found out THE TRUTH about Hildabeast and the DNC.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I trust your Polish contract grantors are reading this stuff from you. You aren’t likely to see actual evidence of any hacking–that would jeopardize lives of spies and informants and methods of data collection by CIA, etc. You really are a smear artist; no reputable informant would angle news like you do.
            And you think Russian hackers who supplied Assange wouldn’t/didn’t ‘fix’ the facts they handled??? How naïve of you.
            I haven’t claimed Trump won because of hacking the DNC or Podesta. Nobody knows that. What’s emerging is the question of why you trust commie handled data. Are you a covert commie like Trump and his supporting ‘useful fools’??? You call that ‘truth’?

          • NM Leon

            “I trust your Polish contract grantors are reading this stuff from you.”

            What on Earth are you talking about? When do you think I ever worked for the Poles? You need to take your meds.

            “You aren’t likely to see actual evidence of any hacking–that would jeopardize lives of spies and informants and methods of data collection by CIA, etc”

            You are an ignorant fool who understands exactly zero about IT Architecture. Spies and informants don’t identify hackers, IT professionals do, and the methods for doing it are well known and taught in school.

            “You really are a smear artist; no reputable informant would angle news like you do.”

            Too funny coming from a serial slanderer like you.

            “I haven’t claimed Trump won because of hacking the DNC or Podesta. “

            Really? wasn’t it you that wrote: “…Trump, as the beneficiary of hacking, won the election whether directly or indirectly.”

            You need to go take your meds, you’re losing it.

    • NM Leon

      What hacking are you referring to, Billy Boy? You mean the hacking of Hildabeast’s server? That wasn’t technically “hacking” since she put all the (classified) info on the server out in the open for anybody to see.

      “All of this is fact and known before inauguration and hearings for the administration. That’s not sour grapes, not speculation, not guesswork–and it’s certainly not sour grapes.”

      And you are a delusional fool. Got any evidence to back up your bullschitte or are you depending on the totally worthless “common knowledge” crap again?

  • CharlieSeattle

    It’s the death threats and pictures of your kids at school the electors get that is not reported on here.

  • Ramon1710 .

    “The man said he was relaying the message straight from God”

    He sounds demon possessed. Just the sort of person you’d expect to follow Hillary…with a personal message from Satan, even.

  • Tiger

    The resulting display of stupidity, weakness, anger, violence, insipidness, exaggerated fears not only from H and O followers but from their leaders living off of and sucking the blood out of America for the past 8 years, clearly shows that beyond a doubt these people deserved and needed to be defeated.

    Luckily the Strong survived to take charge and weed this garden of weeds and thorns out and to bring sunlight and warmth to a dying garden called America. Whose seeds laid quietly awaiting the gush of nutrients that contained, honor, dignity, respect, integrity that it needs to bloom again.

    Trump delivered and he took the weeds and thorns and he buried them and he choked them out and will continue to do so until that Shining City on the Hill is seen throughout the world again.

    Long live Freedom, the Republic and long may we Stand.

    Something to share with all of you. I am on International blogs I get this daily the world celebrates our blooming forth into that bouquet of sweetness called America.

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    Snakesborough22 minutes ago
    New PR would not help for something that is rotten throughout. The christian world has created great art thanks to christianity, the muslim world has created great art despite islam. That is quite a big difference. No amount of PR will solve this. Thank you kindly for your message. God bless the USA and thank you for voting in Donald Trump, he is going to be a good president. Best wishes from the Netherlands (a country saved for democracy and freedom and prosperity by the USA heroes, and we thank the land of the free and the home of the brave for this, we will not forget!)

  • Starr Jim

    The Demo’s can’t help it, it’s in their DNA!

  • Tyronne Shoelaces

    You know, I had suspected the liberals/communists/democrats were insane. I no longer suspect it any more.

    • Worried Vet

      They have to be insane, I don’t think all of them are stupid. Being insane is the only reason to keep throwing good money after bad, when it isn’t working. We are 20 trillion in debt and that’s freaking insane. That should be the definition of insanity.

  • Mike Thomas

    These poor little snow flakes all need to spend 16 weeks in marine boot camp,
    Then maybe they will understand why we are a free nation and learn how to respect those in authority. Better yet, let them go live in Cuba, Mexico, China or North Korea for a year. Should they like it they can stay there.

    • ABO

      They wouldn’t last ten seconds in boot, Mike. And add Venezuela to the list just so they have more choices.

    • James

      Mike; I think you have it backwards; let them go to some third world communist/socialist country first, then put them in boot camp with the promise that if they fail boot camp, they will be shipped back!

    • Worried Vet

      Yes right they would start crying for mommy, quit and then sue for being abused and no safe space. I seen a college kid on Tucker Carlson last night claiming to be a socialist. He kept repeating on the one percent and how hard it is, he has no idea how real life is. If we have any type of major disaster, these cry babies will have a break down, especially if we lose power. They will be drawn up in the fetal position because they can’t use their phones.

    • Jeanne Stotler

      Agree, Semper Fi

  • Rock

    Clinton followers are instructed to slice their throats the morning of Friday, January 20th and spirtually follow Hillary to CLINTON HAPPYLAND… The spaceship will load with said believers spirits and leave during the Trump inauguration. If you follow Hillary, PLEASE slice early to ensure a spot on board ! That is all….. The usual Clinton Koolaid will be handed out during the flight..

  • Not A Farmer

    I
    do not understand this mentality that College Students need to have dogs on
    campus and coloring book to get through events that do not go their way. Have people really raised such week minded
    children? If you do not like the results
    of the election, work in your political Party to make it more appealing for the
    text election

    • MyRoseHasTHORNS

      I agree with almost everything EXCEPT the work with your ‘political party’. I strongly believe that we should work in our neighborhoods/communities in religious and secular groups to make a better place for all/using suggestions and assistance/volunteerism from ALL without pandering to anyone! We need more Mentors and sponsors and LESS political party shenanigans.

      • Worried Vet

        Since morals and prayer have become bad in schools this is what we get. PC crap was destroying this country and most of the world. Now it can change, maybe Trump will get rid of it or most of it. I hope liberals keep crying and keeping people like pelosi in power, we will own 2018 elections and Trump will win by a huge margin in 2020.

  • aztex7007

    Anyone feeling bad for them ? Give them fish head and rice !

    • James

      Give them fish and head lice!?!

    • Rachel

      Fish heads, fish heads rolly polly fish heads yum?

  • Larry

    This interference with the election process is totally out of hand and these people should be prosecuted. This is moral decay and is getting out of hand.

    • Jeanne Stotler

      I fully agree, this has gotten so far out of hand, it started in 2004 when they got away with illegal votes, got worse in 2008, BUT then people realized that you cannot have 110% of voters voting one way(Ohio) and Machines being counted in Spain , time to bring back the Constitutional Republic.

      • James

        Amen to that; I actually made a sign for the window of my car which states that!
        BRING BACK THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC!!!

      • Roger Mark Wood

        I cannot imagine that things would have gotten this bad had our leaders followed our laws on valid VOTER ID! The swamp still needs draining.

        • Jeanne Stotler

          You are right, the BS that has been spewed about “How hard it is to get an ID” is just that. Ever since WWII ID’s have been required in Gov’t. Bldgs. and before 9/11, ID’s were required to get on a plane, they had to match the name on ticket. I have had a drivers lic. since 1950 and a picture on it since in the ’70’s, my nurses ID has a picture, as does my passport and none put me out more than a few dollars, nor did I need to go far out of my way. From what I have read those who are poor can get an ID free, Excuses, excuses is all the Liberals can spew. I live in Va., we must show ID, and be able to recite info on Voters reg., this year Soros’ machines were gone as well, still I am sure there was some fraud, mostly illegals who register in DMV, which should not be allowed unless a deputy registar is present.

          • AKLady2015

            Well, Jeanne, live a nice, isolated life, probab;y in a middle-to-upperclass suburb. You own a car, thus you have a drivers’ license. You obtain that ID at the license agency located just down the street in the shopping center.
            .
            The individual living in the BIG CITY does not own a car. They do not have a drivers’ license. The nearest place to obtain an official, picture ID is a long ways. If there is no bus servoce to that area, it is a long walk.

            More importantly, charging for such an ID would be a criminal act. You see, it would equate to a poll tax. Such taxes have been illegal since 1964.

          • Webb

            Boo hoo…

          • NM Leon

            You should learn about a subject before you comment on it. In every case where ID is required, the state will provide an ID for free.

            In every state where voter ID has been passed, minority turnout has increased.

            The Dem objections to voter ID are because it makes it harder for them to commit election fraud. They try to tie the “race card” to it so that idiots have a talking point.

          • AKLady2015

            Assume, assume, assume.
            Your posts strongly suggest that you have not registered to vote in the last 10 years.
            It is interesting that you speak for 50 states, when you probably have never left the one you are in.

          • NM Leon

            You are truly an idiot libtard. I have lived and worked all over the world (including fishing, ranching, and oilfield in AK), and have been a voter in AK, CA, CO, WY, NV, CT, IL, TN, NM, and TX.

            https://www.vote.org/voter-id-laws/

          • AKLady2015

            My parents were career military, my husbands were career military. Two gave their lives for their country.

          • NM Leon

            Okay…and your point is?

          • AKLady2015

            I have lived, attended school and/or worked in almost every state that has a U.S. Military base.

          • NM Leon

            Okay…and this is relevant to this discussion exactly how?

        • AKLady2015

          Voter ID for what?
          Choosing an Elector?

          • NM Leon

            Registering to vote, voting in person, absentee voting.

            You should get one of your co-workers to assist you with your (mental) disability.

          • AKLady2015

            Each of your posts suggest that you have nwver registered to vote, let alone voted

            Proof of citizenship is required when regiestering to vote. At that time you are isued a voter identifcation/ registration card and assigned a specific place to vote.

            Each polling place has a list of registered voters aythorized to vote at tha lcation. If you are not on the list, you arew given an absentee balot to complete.

            Absentee votes are veified.

            You should not have skipped Civics Class.
            Maybe you can get someone to help you find the voter information web page for your state.

          • NM Leon

            Newsflash, we have 50 states and DC, all with varying rules. Many states do NOT require proof of citizenship when registering, merely an assertion (usually a checked box) that you are. In many states the legitimacy of absentee ballots are NOT verified.

            https://www.vote.org/voter-id-laws/

            You should refrain from commenting on subjects about which you are totally ignorant.

          • AKLady2015

            Voting rights of citizens in the District of Columbia differ from the rights of citizens in each of the 50 U.S. states. The Distriict could not vote in Presidential elections until 1961. They still do not have representation in Congress.

          • NM Leon

            Newsflash, voting rights in just about any of the states differ from voting rights in just about every other state. States make their own rules.

          • AKLady2015

            You should not have skipped Civics Class.

          • NM Leon

            You should have attended it. You are an idiot.

          • AKLady2015

            You really should actually look at the site you use as a reference.

          • NM Leon

            Here’s just two from that site you think I didn’t read:
            Maine

            If you’re not voting for the first time in Maine, you don’t need to provide ID to vote in person.

            If you’re voting for the first time in Maine; submitted your registration by mail; and didn’t provide a copy your Maine driver’s license, Maine state ID card, or a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or government document that shows your name and address when you registered, you may need to show one of these items to vote.

            Absentee voters do not need to provide ID.

            Maryland

            If you’ve voted in Maryland before, you don’t need to provide ID to vote in person.

            If you’re voting for the first time in Maryland; submitted your registration by mail; and didn’t provide a copy your Maryland driver’s license, state ID card, or a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or government document that shows your name and address when you registered, you may need to show one of these documents to vote.

            Absentee voters do not need to provide ID.

            It is idiotic to even pretend that “Proof of citizenship is required when regiestering to vote.”, unless you believe that a utility bill is proof of citizenship.

          • AKLady2015

            Newsflash, Maine and Nebraska are the only states that proprtion their Electoral College. The other 48 states are winner takes all of the Electors.

          • NM Leon

            Yes, and your point is?

          • AKLady2015

            Trump does not, in fact, have the majority vote.

          • NM Leon

            Trump does have the majority electoral vote (the only one that counts), and how exactly are Maine and Nebraska relevant to that?

          • AKLady2015

            No, Leon, he does not.
            The Electoral College does not vote until Dec. 19.
            Maybe you should go back nd look at the 2000 election results?

          • NM Leon

            Care to put your money where your mouth (or keyboard) is? I’ll bet up to 10,000 Bitcoins that Trump wins next Monday.

            Put up or shut up.

            https://www.betmoose.com/

          • AKLady2015

            The Electoral College does not vote until Dec. 19.
            Maybe you should go back nd look at the 2000 election results?

          • NM Leon

            Too funny, I wouldn’t be proposing a wager on the results if they were already in.

            Do you have to practice to be so stupid or does it come naturally?

      • AKLady2015

        Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.
        Tedious, boring, repetitive …

        • KT

          Then stay the hell out of the comments

          • AKLady2015

            You need to practice more, you have not yet gotten the adult part down.

          • TheMADGun

            Speaking of adults, you’re acting like a repititive child!

      • KT

        My question is…How come the electoral voters are not kept secret? Why? Is their information available to the public in the first place? I am thinking this is the first mistake we have made….they should have never been revealed to the public. Maybe, there should be an amendment to the this effect.

        • Jeanne Stotler

          Agree, and. Should be treated just as jury tampering, these threats are Scarry as libs make their own rules, they get names,adresses,and phone numbers of these vol. Then threaten them, this gets nastier by the day.

          • downdraft

            Jeanne, I appreciate your side of the equation…it sometimes is a risk to speak your thoughts, especially face to face with friends and others…

            …but here we are all offered a vehicle to express what we may otherwise withhold from a face to face encounter.

            Having said that, while I might not be on the same page always with all these comments that are offered here in this site,…I will try not to attack anyone who does so…nor attempt them to be silent!

            Sometimes when someone purposefully criticizes others and their opinions, its main purpose is to discourage you from voicing your thoughts, especially thoughts that are the truth, which others will benefit from.

            To me, that is the major reason others attack destructively…the “truth” hurts their cause, and desire for control.

            So, if I were to engage with one who attempts to silent me with insults, I will ignore them…

            ….if I chose to engage, I would simply be reducing myself to their level…i.e., never argue with an idiot!

            Keep it up, I enjoy your thinking.

          • Jeanne Stotler

            I started following elections as a child, I was home sick and listening to FDR on radio. Not understanding what it all meant, I asked my mother questions and she explained to me the goings on, in a language I could understand. Living in DC area I was exposed to the effects of War (WWII), politics, and being an Army Brat, Military protocol. What I see today is VERY scarry, to bad most have not read Bill of Rights, Constitution and Dc. of Independence, or been taught REAL AMERICAN HISTORY. I am a Mayflower descendent, my grandmother’s side is French Huegenaut that came here 1685, so my roots in this country run deep, and names on my family tree are found in true American History books. I am proud of my lineage and very disappointed in what I see and hear today. The old saying is true, :Elections are meant to be lost by one side< and it's time that someone with a brain says ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN, after all it's , WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION, not one party or one group of people,It's the majority.

          • downdraft

            Interesting…you are from the same era, and lineage as I…not exact, but close. WW2 I was just a kid; Roosevelt was an icon;…
            My mother was from Louisiana, and her ancestors were of French Acadian (a Fontenot) who were unceremoniously removed from Acadia and shipped by the British to Louisiana and Texas, etc,., becoming known simply as Cajuns (because “Acadians” was too cumbersome for most to pronounce, thus Cajun was the short version)…
            …I am a graduate of The Citadel in Charleston (I guess I’m a “Red Neck”) S.C., a retired Air Force officer having served in North Africa, and my oldest daughter is a fighter pilot, a test pilot, and the exec’ officer for a 3 Star…(I would never attempt to fly in front of her as I taught her to drive and know the damage she can do).
            Your grasp of your heritage is impressive…and I would also pray that some how we can encourage those who immigrate to here to embrace this country as their new and chosen continuation of their heritage…
            …like you and me, they come here but some how can still cherish their ancestry…but America demands little… for such total freedoms which it offers them it only asks for honor, honesty, love, and a willingness to defend it.
            You are a walking history book.

          • Jeanne Stotler

            I love History, thanks to my Mother, and Grandfather who kept and passed down records. I remember when in HS I saw a note book on Mother’s desk and curiosity got me, I saw the beginning of the family from Hereford, England, and how important he was in this new land. I asked her what she was doing and she said that while at work in Library of Congress, she found out more about our lineage. Recently I was watching the Movie “Sons of Liberty” and a familiar name kept coming up, I pulled out my copy of Mayflower ancestry and found that name, the one in the movie was great grandson of the first one. I proceeded to contact “Mayflower Society” and found out that this link was indeed true and on more exploring that this person was VERY important in the outcome of the Rev. /war. My French side is also involved in that war and I was lucky to find an Inn in NJ, where Washington’s troops gathered prior to going to Trenton, this Inn belonged to my 6th gr. grandfather and his sons, in Militia, led Washington to Trenton, as Gen. Washington was not familiar with that part on Jersey. Families like ours formed this Country and we will fight to preserve it. Thanks for your service, and that of your daughter. I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT DRIVING, I still dread driving with second son, he’s wrecked more cars than the whole family combined.

      • Philomena

        More Votes Were Recorded in Detroit Than There Are Voters

        Jill Stein’s recount turned up a problem in Democrat districts – not what she hoped for.

        Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have.

        Election officials in Michigan found that 37% of precincts in Detroit tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books.

        Hillary Clinton won Wayne County over Donald Trump 67% to 30%.

        • Jeanne Stotler

          I read the same, I think the main reason recount was suspended was that it would have showed up a huge Dem.fraud,it backfired on them, giving Trump more votes.

    • Roger Mark Wood

      Your damn skippy it’s moral decay due to never being taught how to think for themselves. That’s how your decay sets in.

    • AKLady2015

      The Electoral College elects the President.
      The Electoral College does not vote until Dec. 19
      Trump has won nothing.

      • Larry

        You are a sore loser and that the name of your game.

        • AKLady2015

          What has that remark to do wtih
          Constitutional Law?

      • NM Leon

        Suggest you go to your safe space, suck your thumb and pet puppies. Stay out of the adult’s way.

        • AKLady2015

          The Constitution is what it is.
          If you do not like it, msybe you should move to another country.

          • NM Leon

            Too funny, a libtard idiot citing The Constitution. Newsflash, Trump won the general election to choose electors. He won enough districts to obligate 306 electors to vote for him, the idiot left’s pathetic attempts to subvert the process notwithstanding.

          • AKLady2015

            Too funny, a right-wing know-nothing running their mouth.

            in 2000, Gore won the popular vote, the Electoral College elected Bush. In 2016, Clinton wo the popular vote. The Electoral Collage has not yet voted.

            Trump’s controversial actions and irresponsible demeanor, from his inflammatory, childish tweets to his refusal to receive daily intelligence briefs despite his lack of policy experience make his unfit to be President. Then thre is the Russia’s interference to help them determine whether Trump is fit for office.

          • NM Leon

            Uh, newsflash, we have a representative democracy and the electors are the representatives we elect to do our bidding. The Electoral College has elected every president we have ever had, not just GW.

            “Trump’s controversial actions and irresponsible demeanor, from his inflammatory, childish tweets to his refusal to receive daily intelligence briefs despite his lack of policy experience…”

            Were not enough to keep him from winning.

            Go to your safe space, suck your thumb, pet a puppy, and let us adults get on with cleaning up your mess.

          • AKLady2015

            You cannot engage in adult conversation.
            Trump has not yet won.
            You do not seem to understand how your government actually functions.

          • NM Leon

            I understand how our government functions very well. It’s you who seem to be delusional (not to mention a little schizophrenic). Trump has won the election to choose electors, and those electors will officially vote him into office on Monday.

            Deal with it.

          • AKLady2015

            Leon. Leon. Leon … go back and look at election 2000.
            Bush dd not have the popular vote.
            .
            You need to look up “Faithless Electors”.

          • NM Leon

            ‘Oh, and Leon, none of these men had the popular vote: John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison and George W. Bush”

            You need to look up a list of the presidents of the United States of America, ALL of those men were presidents.

            Deal with it, it’s called reality.

          • AKLady2015

            You need to look up “Faithless Electors”.

          • NM Leon

            You need to look up “delusional”.

            If your idiot plan to convince electors to not vote for Trump were actually successful,, do you seriously think that all of those electors would vote for Hildabeast? if not, then the absolute theoretical best you could do would be a House vote, which would elect Trump.

            You lost, we won, elections have consequences, you can come along for the ride but you’ll have to sit in the back, so deal with it (or don’t, your co-workers should be able to help you with your mental disability).

          • AKLady2015

            Gore won in 2000..
            The EC elected Bush.
            I’ll wait and see what they dcide.

          • NM Leon

            If you had attended that Civics class, you would have learned that the EC elects the president.

            Gore LOST the Electoral College vote in 2000, and Hildabeast will LOSE the Electoral College vote next Monday.

            If you don’t think so, are you confident enough to make a wager on the results, or are you just spreading schitte?

          • AKLady2015

            If you had attended elementary school, you would have learned how to read.

          • NM Leon

            So just trying to spread schitte, and not at all willing to put your money where your mouth is.

            No surprise there.

  • Webb

    Republicans / Conservatives have Endured 8 years Of Pain from Democrats and Obama..
    Identity Politics, Rules and Regulations Glore, Government Overreach from A Mandate in Obamacare, A DOJ that became Political and did not follow the Law, Executive Orders instead of Congress Legislation…and on and on!
    Sore Losers…Let the Progressives Enjoy A-L-L of the P-A-I-N Possible…
    ☆☆☆

    • AKLady2015

      Blah, blah, blah, lie, insult …repeat ad nauseam.
      Tedious, boring, repetitive …

      • Webb

        AK,
        Thanks for your minute reply…
        ☆☆☆

      • NM Leon

        So why are you reading it, not to mention commenting? Says something not very complimentary about your mental health.

        • AKLady2015

          The Electoral College has not yet voted.
          In 2000, We the People elected Al Gore.

          • NM Leon

            Yeah, President Gore was so…oh…wait a minute.

            You are truly an idiot.

    • KT

      Don’t forget the Race card that’s been played over & over & all the political correctness….we have had to eat daily!

      • Ericajellis

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      • Webb

        Without fail…Daily!
        I no longer pay attention to the old worn tattered race card…Identity Politics doesn’t Work!

      • AKLady2015

        Yes, the Repubs played that game for 8 long years.

    • Bay0Wulf

      Almost but not quite …

      “We the People” who identify as democrats, republicans, independents and other … Have Endured EIGHT (actually More) years of Pain brought to Us by the ESTABLISHMENT (DINOs & RINOs and Other Sneaky Types)

      This Election was WON by the PEOPLE and LOST by the ESTABLISHMENT …

      There are many more Battles to Come as the Establishment will NOT Simply Go Away …

      Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that all Republicans are “Good” or all Democrats are “Bad”.

      LOOK at who was and is opposing the Concept of a Trump Presidency (Ryan, McConnell, Romney, McCain … as well as Pelosi, Clinton, Reid, & Etc …)

      LOOK at WHO and then … consider the labels

      • Webb

        Agree with your post…100 percent!

    • downdraft

      There is another way of looking at how the Libs look at the results of Trump’s victory, and the subsequent “Trump” majority now in both house and senate:

      On one hand we perceive the race as a political one, where two political sides pit against each other, like a football game.

      In our case we won, they lost…and we are tempted to shake hands with the losing opponent and all is well.

      But that is not the attitude of the Dems/Libs…they have not finished the race yet…and will continue their aggressiveness until they do win again, and thereafter.

      So, with them, its a business…it is their way or the highway! It is not being a poor loser, that has nothing to do with it, it is a lust for power and control on a continuous basis…

      …and to hell with sadness, crying, bitterness…those are not part of the Lib agenda…WINNING and DESTROY are!

      What has changed? The change is from our side, and we now call it “Trump”…Trump we shall see is not used to losing and then crying…to him, as we have seen, continues the fight to remain the victor, and we shall not in my opinion see him let his aggressiveness nor his guard down!

      That is a characteristic of a “Junk Yard Dog”!…and the Libs are not used to his kind as an opponent!

      • Webb

        Well Stated…
        Thanks…

  • Roger Mark Wood

    It is a pyhcological illness developed over time by drinking ANY koolaid without mental backbone examples by any significant ones in your life during your impressionable and formative years. This is a result of a societal break down in our moral fiber as a nation, but foremost as individu humans.

    • Worried Vet

      When they are taught tunnel vision instead of common sense, it’s creates tunnel vision. When liberals learn rational thought and common sense will cure stupidity.

      • gvette

        The one thing you can’t teach, is common sense! As we know, liberals posses none at all.

        • Worried Vet

          Amen. The more liberal the more they only know spin and lies, no truth or facts. I gave up trying to debate hard core liberals since their stuck on stupid.

          • gvette

            LOL…yes, one in particular on this site. I think you know who I mean!!

          • Worried Vet

            I blocked that troll long ago. That lady is really stuck on stupid like she is in love with hillary.

          • GREYGHOSTCSA

            Would that be either AKLady or Elizabeth Whitaker?

          • Jeanne Stotler

            Blocked both

          • gvette

            I’m not an abusive person, but I do get pleasure from winding her up! Yes, she is a hard core DemonRAT!

          • Worried Vet

            She isn’t a democrat. She is a propagandist.

          • gvette

            She’s that, that’s for sure!

          • NM Leon

            Synonyms

          • KT

            I think..she is a homosexual, heckler….really a guy! That is my guess!

          • Worried Vet

            You could be right. I wonder about them being a paid hillary troll.

    • Tiger

      It is a well laid plan of rats and men that brought us to this abyss. It is the strength and conviction of the Real Americans with a Real Champion that brought us out. Stay vigilante it ain’t over the fat ladies still singing..

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