Trump: 20% Tax on Mexican Imports to Pay for Wall

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January 27, 2017

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President Trump intends to pay for the coming US-Mexico wall with a 20 percent tax on all imports coming from Mexico, White house spokesman Sean Spicer said Thursday.

He said the plan now taking shape would tax imports from countries “that we have a trade deficit from, like Mexico.”

“If you tax that $50 billion at 20 percent of imports – which is by the way a practice that 160 other countries do – right now our country’s policy is to tax exports and let imports flow freely in, which is ridiculous,” Spicer told reporters aboard Air Force One.

Spicer said the new tax would generate $10 billion a year and “easily pay for the wall.”

The news came the same day the president of Mexico canceled his trip to the US next week after Trump said there was no point to their meeting if mexico won;t pay for the wall.

“This is something that we’ve been in close contact with both houses in moving forward and creating a plan,” Spicer said of the tax plan, suggesting that congressional Republicans back the proposal.

192 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • CharlieSeattle says:

    Stupid idea Trump. Only Americans will pay the tax in higher prices.

    A better idea is to impose a 25% fee on all remittances (a transfer of money by a foreign worker to an individual in his or her home country) on all foreign workers in the USA.

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    Trump threatens Mexico’s biggest cash source

    by Patrick Gillespie | CNNMoney

    January 25, 2017

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/news/economy/mexico-remittances-trump/

    Mexico’s biggest cash cow is under threat from President Donald Trump.

    The country’s largest source of cash comes from Mexicans living in the United States. That is now under the microscope after Trump issued an executive order Wednesday to start building a wall on the border.

    During his campaign, Trump said multiple times that Mexico will pay for the wall. He even threatened to halt or tax cash transfers — known as remittances — from the U.S. to Mexico if the country refused to pay for it.

    “They will reimburse us for the cost of the wall. That will happen, whether it’s a tax or a payment — probably less likely that it’s a payment, but it will happen,” Trump said on January 11.

    But Mexico’s president won’t stand for it.

    “We must assure the free flow of remittances,” President Enrique Pena Nieto said Monday. Remittances are “an invaluable contribution to national development and indispensable for millions of Mexican families.”

    Remittances were likely a top issue on the table when Mexico’s top ministers met with Trump’s advisers in Washington Wednesday. Trump and Pena Nieto are scheduled to meet on January 31.

    Related: A new NAFTA deal could bring jobs back — at a cost

    Between January and November of 2016, $24.6 billion flowed back to the pockets of Mexicans from friends and relatives living overseas, according to Mexico’s central bank.

    That’s even higher than what Mexico earns from its oil exports — $23.2 billion in 2015. And almost all of that cash comes from the U.S.

    The average remittance from Mexico is about $300. Essentially, Mexico’s most lucrative natural resource are the people who leave home.

    25% of $24.6 billion = 6.15 billion. That is a lot of bricks, barbed wire and land mines!

  • Jim says:

    The fact is, this is more of an invasion into America, then a simple immigration problem, and the Border must be protected as a Constitutional issue, as in protecting Americans Both from Foreign and Domestic enemy’s.

    President Trump should sue Mexico for the costs incurred to the United States of America, as a direct result of Mexico’s failure to stop Mexico’s unwanted Citizens and criminals from the invasion.

  • MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

    What products exactly do they export?

    1. CharlieSeattle says:

      Damn fine tomatoes ripened on the vine, not chemically treated to turn red like Florida does to their shyt!!

      1. Alupara says:

        Balderdash!

      2. MyRoseHasTHORNS says:

        I remembered PRODUCE right after posting. They also have oil. BUT for the most part it seems they export humans with little education to do manual labor which wouldn’t be all bad if they respected and followed our laws.

  • Alupara says:

    Yes, the illegals come here to make a “better life”. They do it through “Reconquista”. Mexico has done little to nothing to stop the flow of heroin, meth, marijuana and all the other drugs over our border to murder our youth and the vitality of our country so that they can make room for their own.

  • justinwachin says:

    Or we could seal the border and make Mexican products come through our sea ports. At least in the short term such a move would force many of these factories to close which would put Mexicans out of work. Faced with rising unemployment and collapsing industry the Mexican president would happily accept President Trump’s generous offer for Mexico to pay for the wall.

    Mexico’s president should consider all the politicians Donald Trump defeated on his road to the White House. Since this is President Trump’s first big play on the world stage the president likely has plans to win this at all costs. In other words, it’s probably time for the Mexican president to find a face saving way to cave.

  • CBUJAN says:

    Tax should be 35%. We have feed Mexico for to many years now it’s pay back.

    1. CharlieSeattle says:

      Nooooooooooooo. only Americans pay the tax in higher prices.

      1. CBUJAN says:

        Charlie, Trump said that the tax would be paid before the product comes into the U.S. Therefore Mexico would have to pay the tax. And by the way tomatoes that come from Mexico are handled by people who have diseases and infections and who knows what else.

        1. CharlieSeattle says:

          Idiot! Taxes are ADDED, to the product cost!

  • Tiger says:

    Mexico owes us. We give them billions every year. They harbor refugees and let them cross there are video of it. Trump needs to find out what kind of deals they made with O to do such a thing. They cross over from a small town. Mexico also has borders, the Mexican president in his speech lied that they don’t believe in borders. Cross over illegally and see what happens to you. Jail, bread and water and if you have family they are blackmailed to pay big bucks Their military and police turn their backs on Cartels and take money from them.

    They can have all their illegals back. They cost us billions yearly. The border guards have found pamphlets on the border telling them what to say to get through and how to get benefits when coming here. This is going to end and Mexican people are also killed by Cartels. They had college students killed by them. It is in Mexico’s best interest to make nice with us. Personally I hold them responsible for the criminals here. They should pay every family that has been hurt by these thugs.

    1. maxx says:

      You are correct as usual. I’m all for the 20% tax on imports but I would include a surtax on all the money being sent to Mexico by those working and living here. Western Union could tell Trump just how much that is because they have been facilitating it for decades. Any money with a destination in Mexico gets taxed.

      1. conservativefactcheck_dot_com says:

        Regarding the surtax, most conservatives agree that there would instantly pop up a number of services which would simply route money transfers through another country. So rather than send it through Western Union directly to Mexico where your family would get (say) 20% less, you’d instead use another service to send it to Canada (or just about any other country), where it is resent to Mexico. As you know, the USA does not have jurisdiction to tax transfers between other countries and Mexico.

        It’s sort of like the wall — great idea, but really, really easy to circumvent.

        1. kbfallon says:

          Are you telling us that the Mexicans are smarter than Trump and his cabinet? Surely they have thought this same thing and he’s got a TRUMP card to deal them on this issue.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Either Trump hasn’t done his homework or he doesn’t care about the facts. People have been sending money to Cuba this way for fifty years.

          2. kbfallon says:

            It looks as though he should consult with you on all these issues…being that you are smarter than Trump and his hand picked team. I mean they only ran companies that earned billions of dollars…what do they know for crying out loud. You best get ahold them and let them know that, you could probably cure cancer on your day off.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            You would be amazed what these people don’t know about. As I say you can’t block money going to any other country and the proof is all the money that has gone to Cuba over the years.

          4. Retired says:

            Where is the proof how it is done other than through Western Union which is next to impossible to trace.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Transfer funds through a bank. Transferring money
            from one bank account to another is easiest if both the sender and
            recipient use the same banking institution, but this is not necessarily a
            requirement. Note that U.S. banks are not in Cuba, but rely on
            correspondent banks to facilitate transactions. Potential transferees
            should be sure their bank has a Cuban correspondent. In order to send
            money to someone who uses a different bank, you’ll need the recipient’s
            account number and routing number. Note that certain fees may apply if
            the recipient does not use the same banking institution as the sender.[5]

            You simply send the money to a bank in a country that isn’t embargoed and then they send it into the country that is embargoed.

          6. Retired says:

            You are wrong on this one, bank transfers can be traced, Did you forget about the Panama Papers and how it is done . Western Union and Money grams are next to impossible to trace plus there are limits that can be sent.

          7. bobnstuff says:

            The bank ones can be traced but not stopped. All they really need is a third party in a country that does business in both countries which in the case of Mexico is almost every country.

          8. Retired says:

            Cuba also sent people to Mexico so they could enter the US.

          9. bobnstuff says:

            Not any more. No more free pass for Cubans.

      2. Tiger says:

        My guess he is one step ahead of you and me. Going to hotfoot Mexico. They will start dancing and singing another tune.

      3. CharlieSeattle says:

        Yes. A better idea is to impose a 25% fee on all remittances (a transfer of money by a foreign worker to an individual in his or her home country) on all foreign workers in the USA.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Trump threatens Mexico’s biggest cash source

        by Patrick Gillespie | CNNMoney

        January 25, 2017

        http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/news/economy/mexico-remittances-trump/

        Mexico’s biggest cash cow is under threat from President Donald Trump.

        The country’s largest source of cash comes from Mexicans living in the United States. That is now under the microscope after Trump issued an executive order Wednesday to start building a wall on the border.

        During his campaign, Trump said multiple times that Mexico will pay for the wall. He even threatened to halt or tax cash transfers — known as remittances — from the U.S. to Mexico if the country refused to pay for it.

        1. maxx says:

          I would be perfectly fine with that too, in addition to the Wall.

      4. dmttbt says:

        The number 1 cash crop for Mexico is the immigrants who come here and then send money home to their families.That is why Mexico doesn’t want to stop illegal immigration. Does anyone even know what illegal means anymore??

        1. maxx says:

          You are absolutely correct. And they use Western Union to send the money so Western Union has all the information the US needs to get these people. The legal and illegals.

    2. kbfallon says:

      Obammie gave the govt. of Mexico …I think it was $70,000,000.00 of
      the money pulled from working people of the USA’s paychecks….it was to help them with their Southern Border WALL! to slow down the illegal immigration entering their country……,..this was done within the past year. How do ya like them apples Folks? Disbelievers can easily find the info.

      1. Tiger says:

        Yes you are correct.

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        1. Retired says:

          They sure do by taking Illegals into Mexico and giving them temporary Visas to get into the US. Did you miss out on the Hatti people going to Brazil and then through Central America into Mexico to the US border. Mexico gave them paper work to enter the US .

          1. Retired says:

            You sure are behind on what goes on , Hatti people were camped out at the Mexican border to be processed into the US . Where you sleeping through that event which was still going on this month.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            If they wanted to stop that problem all they need to do is change the law, it’s not rocket science. Before the law was changed back under Bush 43 we could just send them home, no problem but then they got all soft and caring about protecting people from being killed in there home country and made it so you had to give them a hearing before sending them back to die. After all why would someone want to come here from the most violent place on earth.

          3. Retired says:

            That goes back further than Bush.

          4. CharlieSeattle says:

            Yes, To the Reagan amnesty in 1986!

          5. Retired says:

            It goes back yo the day when the Jan. yearly registration of legal Immigrants stopped. That was to be a money saving to the Tax payer which backfired . The other part was Gov. printing in Spanish and Spanish road signs . The pushing of Spanish already started in the sixties.

          6. CharlieSeattle says:

            No Hablo!

          7. dmttbt says:

            Absolutely, the signs in the government buildings have been in both languages for years and I kept thinking,” why would we need signs in Spanish and english?”

          8. Florence Millard says:

            Well, I remember, years ago, seeing road signs in the Rio Grande Valley being in Spanish…………but, I do not see any road signs in the Spanish language here around the Houston area now.

          9. Retired says:

            Just think of the expense in printing government issued papers in multiple languages.

          10. Florence Millard says:

            They don’t need to change the law, they need to ENFORCE the law! Stay home and make your own country a place you want to live in, as the U.S. did.

          11. bobnstuff says:

            So you agree that if a person is picked up at our border and isn’t from Mexico they should be held until they get a hearing in front of a judge. While in custody they enjoy the same civil rights as an American citizen and it is the responsibility of the government to provide for their needs. As of right now there is a 60 week backlog for those hearings. That’s the law you want enforced? If we keep them in jail it cost the government around $120,000 till their hearing.

          12. Florence Millard says:

            That is not what I said. My husband was in the U.S. Border Patrol more than 60 years ago. That was not how they did it then. When they were picked up, no matter where, they were shipped back the same day, or the next. They did not have the rights of U.S. citizens then, and they should not have now either! No hearings either! Just deportation!

          13. bobnstuff says:

            They changed the laws a number of years ago. Funny thing is Obama ask to have it changed back and the republicans in congress wouldn’t do it. It was the republicans that made the change in the first place. Our immigration laws are really stupid. For all there talk about closing our borders the republicans not only have done nothing but have blocked any fixing it. The conservative in congress talked a lot but did little. They are big on holding hearings but not on fixing things.

          14. Florence Millard says:

            And, you have the proof of this, how?

          15. Florence Millard says:

            Mexico is letting the Central and South Americans come through their southern border, so it is easier for them to get to the U.S. Some have made that trek through Mexico, in a days’ time, even small children. (Now you those kids had to have had a lot of help getting here, in that short of time.) These are also the ones bringing in the diseases that were once eradicated in the U.S. So don’t tell me Mexico is stopping them at their border!

          16. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry but you have wrong information. Mexico stops more people then we do. They don’t have the same rules as we do so they can just send them back.
            http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/06/18/mexico-deports-more-immigrants-back-to-central-america-than-the-u-s-does/

        2. dmttbt says:

          I started to write an angry reply when I looked up and saw it was bobnstuff I realized it would be a waste of time. that is what bobnstuff is a waste of time.

    3. kbfallon says:

      And look at how they were already granted amnesty in the past–millions of them….the % of our population is growing by the day.

      1. Tiger says:

        Going to be bigger than the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt. No Sanctuary cities, no benefits, no jobs, because it is in our laws if you harbor, give a job to or aid an illegal knowingly you will get punished. I believe seeing Miami Dade Mayor closing down that huge Sanctuary city they know Trump will prosecute and he will stop funds.

        They can do the Mexican Jumping Bean dance out of here.

        1. kbfallon says:

          I know a few Mexicans who are here legally and they think the illegals should be DEPORTED. They say–that’s how they were down south of the border also..looking for something for nothing and not willing to do anything except complain.

          1. Tiger says:

            Exactly and my mother and grandfather came here after being interred in POW camps for the duration of WWII and because my grand a Consul and my mother born in Siberia, took them almost nine years to get their citizenship, they were registered and monitored monthly as agents came to our door to make sure they stayed put.

            Never saw two more proud naturalized Americans as them.

    4. Retired says:

      Don’t forget about Mexico Giving them temporary Visas to get to the US border and then process them into the US .So who paid the Mexican Government to do this Other than the UN and the Democrats along with non profit groups that pay no US tax.

      1. kbfallon says:

        They need to pay a steep price for that….they’ve been doing it for years.

    5. maxx says:

      Mexico built a wall or fence on it’s border with Guatemala very recently. .

  • Rock says:

    Mexico has MUCH – MUCH more to loose in this deal, 90% of what we buy from Mexico was at one time made HERE until Nafta and other “deals” were made law. Anything THEY can grow down there we can grow here and it will probably be SAFER too. How many times have there been recalls or sicknesses from Mexican grown fruits and vegetables ! Farms in the U.S. are PAID to grow absolutely NOTHING. Start the farms growing what we buy from some other country ! Mexico is NOT, nor has it ever done the U.S. any favors.

    1. maxx says:

      GM and Ford both have huge assembly plants in Mexico and Canada. There may be even more but I know about these two for sure. This might force the companies to bring those plants and jobs back on the north side of the border. I bought a Silverado 4×4 pickup that was built in Mexico and had nothing but terrible problems with brakes, power windows and AC starting within 1 year of purchase. Will never buy a GM product again no matter where it is built. Government Motors sucks.

      1. Rock says:

        I worked at the VW plant in New Stanton Pa. until Clinton signed NAFTA, VW moved to Mexico. We had a “fixture” (jig) to check the welded body assembly squareness, etc. on… The new Mexican manufactured and welded bodies were shipped to New Stanton and placed in the fixture to be checked, they were up to 1″ out of square. Had allot to work force problems down there too. Huge difference in quality. Maxx, do you know that almost 70% of GM vehicles come form China. Not many manufactured here anymore. SAD. Everything VW assembled in New Stanton had HENCHO DE MEXICO stamped on it, MADE IN MEXICO. I swore I would NEVER buy or own a VW again.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          VW moved out as soon as they had to start paying taxes. No free ride and they bug out. They got that plant for next to nothing and played Pa. for suckers.

          1. Rock says:

            They had already started paying taxes. NAFTA along with the UAW 2055 union not giving concessions as the workers had asked them to do was the reason for the closing. Ironic you would state “played Pa. for suckers”… That is EXACTLY what Mexico has been doing to the U.S. for years. It ends now.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry guy but I live in Westmoreland County and they got a five year tax break and left when it was done. And yes they didn’t like our unions either. NAFTA had nothing to do with it since the built there Mexican plant in 1967.

          3. Rock says:

            As do I… Vw got a 10 year break and left at just short of 12 after removing/crating the assembly line conveyers…. Oh, “I” worked there for almost 11 years. That Mexican plant was the Beetle plant, the Rabbit/Golf moved there just after the plant closure here… You can’t even LIE/bullshit very good, save your stories for someone that doesn’t know any better… Chrysler built the plant and also got a tax break. As did Sony.

          4. kbfallon says:

            He’s gotta be getting paid from somebody or somebody put sand in his vaseline again.

          5. Retired says:

            Paid troll just like AKLady.

          6. Retired says:

            You forgot to add Government Strangulations on our big Business. That also goes for little Business.

  • bobnstuff says:

    So everything coming in from Mexico will cost 20% more because as with all taxes they will just add it on to the price so just WHO is going to pay for this stupid wall? We are. Now The Mexicans will also place a put a 20% charge on our product going into their country making it more expensive hurting our exports. This is our third largest market for exported goods. So We get to pay for the wall in the end and it will hurt our economy on top of it. If this wall was a good idea this might be worth the cost but a solid wall that you can’t see through isn’t the what you need for this job. The border patrol has not asked for this kind of wall. Why not ask those doing the job what they need instead of just wasting money for a symbol of Washington’s stupidity. I’m not saying leave the border without protection, I’m saying do the job right and don’t start a trade war while doing it.

    1. CCblogging says:

      Mexico already has tariffs on our exports with none on their exports. You seem ill informed. Are you one of those hand wringing, bed wetting Democrats? Go Trump!

      1. conservativefactcheck_dot_com says:

        Hmmm, professionals in the shipping industry might have a hard time making sense of your post. Despite NAFTA, plenty of products going to and from Mexico already have excise taxes and other duties. For instance, Americans already pay an excise tax of about 10% on tequila. That’s just one instance out of hundreds.

        If you’re genuinely curious about how tariffs work between the US and Mexico (or the US and any other country, for that matter), check out dutycalculator.com. For a slightly less easy to use version, try https://dataweb.usitc.gov/.

        Solving tough problems like this requires smart people with smart solutions. Simply saying “Mexico has tariffs on our exports with none on their exports” may not be effective, because people who understand that this is not the case may not take you seriously.

        Look, I know that Trump fans are fans of “alternative facts,” but “alternative facts” do not solve real problems. Knowing how tariffs work doesn’t make you a nerd or a geek or an egghead, and you may want to think twice before writing things like “you seem ill informed” to people who happen to know more about a subject than you do.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          Thank you.

        2. CCblogging says:

          I don’t need your info or your lecture. Mexico’s free ride is over. We pay tariffs on their exports and they have gotten away with not paying tariffs on our goods. One doesn’t have to be a genius to understand simple math. Try again.

    2. Dr. Mike Reeder says:

      If that kind of thing even happens, it will demolish Mexican imports. Virtually everything that is made in Mexico CAN (and was) at one time made in the USA and we can do it again. We have the technology to make textiles fasted and better, we can make cars and carburetors for string trimmers better than in Mexico and we can grow crops better than Mexico. There are very few things that Mexico does we can’t at least do and mostly do better. Mexican people aren’t stupid but we’re paying for their lifestyle and they ARE another country. It’s time to honor the USA!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        We can make all those things here although some of them we never have made here in the past. Most of the things we are getting from Mexico we once got from China. The new factories that we build there in many cases are not replacing American ones but are just adding production. Toro builds their small lawnmowers in Mexico with parts made both here and there. I was upset when I learned this so I went to see what had happened. They didn’t close any factories here or cut any jobs. They have been expanding their business and needed a labor force that we just don’t have. They could have built here but then they would have ended up either using illegal immigrants like the meat companies or just automating everything.

        1. Dr. Mike Reeder says:

          I think we DO have the labor force. Labor participation now is way less than at any time in the past. What worries me is that much of the labor force has gotten so laze through the Obama years that they may not even want to work. When Made in America really meant something we actually made pretty good things. Not flawless but pretty good. In recent times the quality has gone down because (mostly) of the threat of moving jobs to lower priced labor forces. Moral has been abysmal. Where we don’t have enough labor, robots, machines and other technologies can make the difference and do it well. Robotics is a better defined technology than it was when NAFTA started. Americans by our nature, are very good at making things work. Look at lawn tractors. The quality of most of them them has gone down so far they barely work anymore. I know only about 25% of the companies that move off shore actually obtain a better bottom line. I have been to China and the way things are done there is often dangerous and NOT high tech. There is some minimum amount of technology needed to make the best products. 🙂 Thanks for the comment, I enjoyed it!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Lawn Tractor I know well and they haven’t gotten worse, they just have made cheaper ones and those are not the good as the higher priced one from the past. The opening price point has not gone up much in the last 15 years. and the bottom end stuff isn’t really any worse. I have owned a number of different brands and it is truly a case of you get what you pay for. These Tractors are almost all built in the US even today. If you want to make the John Deere Rep boil tell him he doesn’t build all his product or that it’s made out of the country. Cub Cadet is still made in the old IH factory even though they are owned buy MTD. Most of the MTD stuff is no worse then before but they tend to be cheaply made as always. Husqvarna is the other big name and they also are US made. I have owned all of these manufactures and they haven’t gotten any better or worse.My John Deere is five years old and has been used hard and put away dirty and still runs like a top. The guy behind me has one that is forty years old and is still going strong. You get what you pay for but even the $999 works like the $999 one of fifteen years ago. You see I’m was the guy the store sends out when you had a problem. So much for my rant. As far as the workforce. We have a aging population, a record number of people over 65, young people staying in school longer, a higher number of disabled(they used to just die) and of those left 10% have criminal records and or drug problems. Because of the cost of daycare it doesn’t pay for some family’s to have two working parents. We have an all time record number of job openings in the country right now. Also even though the labor participation rate is lower then it has been in years it’s still only 4% lower then it’s highest.

          2. Dr. Mike Reeder says:

            Hey Bobnstuff,

            Thanks for the reply. It sounds like you’ve really been around the lawn and garden tractor tractor industry awhile. I know a lot of those tractors are made in the US but I know a ton are built in Mexico & Japan as well. For over 23 years I’ve worked for the largest small engine fuel systems supplier in the world. We have 1 plant in the US, 1 HUGE plant in Mexico, 1 in Thailand, 2 in Japan and 2 in China. We send product all over the world and I agree that you sure get what you pay for. I bought a Wheel Hose HC20 nearly 20 years ago and it’s still running and cutting fine today. Lat year I was getting nervous that it was starting to soak a lot of minor repairs and bought a 24 H.P. Husqvarna for around $3500 with a fabricated deck. That was a mistake. Next year I may go a get a John Deere 1 series or maybe a 700 series. Yeah, they’re well over $10k but I think they’ll last longer than a HVA. Be well my friend!

          3. bobnstuff says:

            How big is your yard? I don’t care much for Husqvarna much, about half my house calls were for their product. Funny thing is I can’t think of any lawn tractors that aren’t made in USA or at the very least assembled here. Even Kabota is built here. There are some off brands of the bigger stuff that are coming in but none of the major brands are. Something to keep in mind, your old Wheel Horse was a lawn tractor not a riding lawn mower. I mow three acres with a John Deere D10 and have had zero problems. It’s a riding lawn mower though and I would never want to try pulling a plow with it. I’m one of the few people on my street that doesn’t have a Zero Turn. They are fun and fast but they are very scary on hills. A third of my yard is hill. I don’t like John Deere Zero Turns as well as Toro or Cub Cadet. My favorite Zero Turn is Ariens. All Ariens makes are Zero Turns and really nice snowblowers. Anything else with their name on it is made by someone else. As I have said in the riding lawn mower world buying American is easy. The reason I know as much as I do is I was a manufacture rep for a number of these companies for a couple of years before I came of the road. Good luck.

          4. Dr. Mike Reeder says:

            Thanks, bobnstuff. There are a very few not made in the U.S. now days but you’re right, not many. It’s very sad that American manufacturing has dissolved to the point it has. I have 5 acres but have historically only mowed about 2 or a little more. I really don’t care for ZTRs because I keep thinking I want to do a little more with my tractor, like pull a small plow or probably even a tiller. I love to garden! I may move another 3 acres in the back this year and I already know that Husqvarna won’t stand up to that. It’s listed as a Garden Tractor (GT) , it has the fabricated Deck but I need an attachment to put a tiller on it and that’s another $300 so I may just cut my loses and trade for a Deere 500 series or maybe a 1 series mini-tractor. Any comments on them would be appreciated! It’s just that it will be $10k or better!

          5. bobnstuff says:

            The Z’s are good for making tall grass short but not much of any thing else. You might want to look at the Kabota. They make a nice small tractor, not much bigger the you Wheel House but it is a real tractor. It’s assembled in the US. I have known a number of people who have had them and liked them a lot. I don’t try to get a single tool for many jobs. I have a Riding Mower for mowing with, a snow blower for the snow, a rototiller for the garden. I use my rider to haul more then to mow. I have worn out two trailers so far. In fact I should be out hauling fire wood right now. My little D110 does alright, I can haul about a hundred pounds more behind it the I could do with either my Cub or my Husqvarna. I will say though My Cub was the best mower of the bunch till my daughter did an oil change and didn’t get the drain plus tight. I have no real need for a full size tractor but it still doesn’t stop me from wanting one. The guy up behind me has a 1953 8n Ford that he uses to plow his driveway with. He has done a good job on the restoration. It would look really nice in my shed. I guess I should be happy with my 1968 snapper. After all it doesn’t take up near as much room.

          6. Dr. Mike Reeder says:

            I REALLY want a small tractor but that’s about as far as it will go. I just can’t justify the price of those 1 series Deere’s. I’m struggling with a 700 series. My sister has a Kubota (had a Husqvarna before that) and my mom has and an old 430 (or 425) Deere. It’s on it’s second engine and the deck can’t take another rebuild but mom doesn’t mow so much anymore. I think pretty highly of Kubota. My dad has a diesel SXS 4 wheeler with a dump bed. It’s ran flawlessly for over 10 years. I would really like to have a loader …… and a mower…… and a tiller ……… 🙂

          7. bobnstuff says:

            Here is the big question, Did your Wheel Horse do everything you needed? If you could get another one would it do what you need. The reason I ask is there are a lot of vintage mower people out there and they do some really good restoration on the older stuff. I have a 1968 Snapper riding mower that has been 90% restored, It’s the Forest Gump mower, same model as they used in the move. It still needs paint but everything else is like new. Have you given that idea any though. There is a shop near me that has done really go work on my 73 Troy Bilt tiller. They redid the electrical system and the thing runs like new. Also this is your chance to get a Farmall Cub. Around here you can get one in good shape for a couple of grand with a deck and a blade. The bonus is you can go to antique tractor meets. The Kabota is a sweet tractor but the price makes it a tough. The thing is a John Deere of the same level isn’t really that much cheaper. What’s sad is around here you can pick up real farm equipment for about the same price as you will pay for riding lawn mowers. I hope I helped.

          8. Dr. Mike Reeder says:

            Thanks, bobnstuff! Yes, the old Wheel Horse did (and still does) do nearly every thing I wanted. I know that Onan engine although fairly bullet proof, does not rebuild well and a new one is around $2k. I suppose I could do that and find a used tiller and still be WAY under the cost of a Deere or Kubota! Again you are right on, full sized farm equipment goes for almost less that the new John Deere’s. I like how you think! I will slow down and do some research……

          9. bobnstuff says:

            They also used a Kohler in some models. The Onam was the better engine but that the Kohler could be rebuilt. You should be able to find a Kohler that will bolt right in. Here are some places you might want to check out.
            http://www.wheelhorsecc.com/
            http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/
            http://www.farmcollector.com/farm-shows/wheel-horse-collectors-group-off-and-running

    3. maxx says:

      If the US stops importing from Mexico el presidente Nieto will be gone in a heartbeat.

      1. bobnstuff says:

        This man tried sucking up to Trump but Trump lied and slapped him in the face. Every time he tries to make nice with Trump Trump does something evil in return. Trump needs a easy enemy to blame things on just like the Jews were for Hitler. Blame it on the Mexicans. Our problems will all go away if we get rid of the Mexicans.

  • CCblogging says:

    Screw Mexico, Buy made in the USA!

    1. bobnstuff says:

      $194 billion dollars worth of goods are sold to Mexico every year, How many jobs does this create in our country? That world market goes both ways you know. We are the second largest exporter in earth. Kill exports and you kill our economy.

      1. CCblogging says:

        Sorry Bob, America is being screwed right now on our exports. Americans had better start buying made in the USA products and President Trump is moving us in that direction. I will gladly pay more to keep jobs in America!

        1. bobnstuff says:

          You are fighting the wrong country. Mexico works with us on trade, they work with us on keeping the illegals out of our country. they are fair trading partners. Our problem is with China not Mexico. And no you won’t gladly pay more for made in America, If that was the case you would be doing it today. I bet you don’t even know what we make in our country. We import thing to exploit other countries cheap labor, in return we sell them the tools to manufacture the product and in many cases the material the make it from. You may find this a surprise but we have a labor shortage in our country right now. This shortage is of people with the right skills for the right jobs in the right location. Trump wants to build a wall but there will be a big problem, no one to build it. Trump should know this since he has to import labor to build his buildings. 14% of all construction jobs in the US are filled by illegal. On the southern border that percent is much hire. Skilled labor in construction is in short supply. This problem is present in most industries today. Go talk to anyone in personal and they will have stories of trying to fill jobs. There just are not enough people to fill jobs. Now you are going to throw the unemployment numbers at me but in fact the real labor force, those that can work is already in jobs and what is left aren’t employable or aren’t in the right place. As I said we need that cheap labor if we want to maintain our standard of living. As I said up front if you want to complain, it’s not Mexico you should be complaining about or Canada who is also one of out top four trading partners. It’s China and the the EU that are doing the number on us. We had a trade deal going with a number of our other trading partners but that got thrown out with out most people even knowing what was in it, you were told it was bad so it must be. For our country to maintain our high standard of living we need trade.

          1. CCblogging says:

            It’s Mexico, China and most of the world causing us pain on unbalanced trade. Oh course I know what we manufacture in the USA. What kind of dumb question is that? The wall will be built and Mexico will pay for it. Count on it!

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Do you really know? I talk to people all the time who complain that we don’t make things here anymore while pushing a cart full of American made products they didn’t know were made here. I just bought new furniture for my living room, every single thing was made in USA except there little baskets my wife liked and they were made in Cambodia. Try buying a garbage can not made in USA.

          3. CCblogging says:

            What’s your point?

          4. bobnstuff says:

            My point is that people have been brainwashed into believing a lie and don’t know it. People don’t really care enough to find the facts. We are building a wall to keep out Mexicans who aren’t coming anymore because of the jobs created in their own country and are going to try to hurt those very jobs that have stop their coming to pay for that wall. I’m not against a fence or protecting our borders but let’s do it right and be sure we aren’t doing more harm then good. It’s our wall we should pay for it with our tax dollars that need to be collected.

          5. maxx says:

            Have you been to the border? Have you talked to farmers and ranchers in Texas who see the invaders crossing their property mainly after sundown? Have you talked to border guards? If not then you know nothing but what you read or watch on an MSM outlet. Texas tried to deploy it’s National Guard units to assist the Border Patrol. They were ordered to “stand down” under direct threats by the federal government. Why was that? It sure wasn’t because they were not needed but because the federal government doesn’t want anybody but it’s own people down there and control the flow of information.

          6. bobnstuff says:

            I have talked to the people on the borders and read what the border patrol said they needed which might be more then Trump did. The border patrol basically said they need roads to get to the border
            http://conservativetribune.com/us-border-patrol-chief-makes/

          7. CCblogging says:

            The only people that I have seen brainwashed is the people who regurgitate the left’s propaganda.

          8. bobnstuff says:

            The beauty of a good job of brainwashing is when the person swears he hasn’t been brain washed. There are people out there that believe you can spend billions on rebuilding the infrastructure, spend billions on rebuilding the military, build a $25 billion wall and cut taxes. There are also people out there that trust insurance companies to look out for your interests. A good salesman can get people to believe just about anything.

          9. maxx says:

            As Japan was rebuilt by the US they exported all sorts of stuff to the US that did not say “made in Japan” because American companies bringing the stuff here demanded it not be marked as from Japan. So how do you really know where it is from? You really don’t.

          10. bobnstuff says:

            It takes some digging but there are give a ways. If it’s made out of plastic the is a good chance it’s US made because we are the kings of plastic. If is bad for the environment it’s also a good chance to be made here. Most other countries care more about these things. If the box it came in was made in America it’s a good chance it was made here. Also there are a number of companies that just would never think of making things anywhere else. I’m a buy American first person and will keep digging till I know where a item is made.

          11. bobnstuff says:

            No we will pay for in one way or another as we should. It’s our wall, why should we think someone else should pay for it. If the wall was to protect Mexico from us their paying for it would make sense but when I want to keep my neighbors kids out of my yard and put up a fence I don’t expect my neighbor to pay for that fence.

          12. Winston Salins says:

            If your kids are jumping over the fence and eating my fruits and causing problem to my kids and property then I have right to ask you to pay for or share the cost of higher wall. If you can’t or won’t take care of your kids behavior, then they become your liability.

          13. bobnstuff says:

            In fact you don’t , all you can do is collect for the damages done by my kids and if my kids get hurt going over your wall I can sue you and will win.

          14. Winston Salins says:

            In whose court, yours or mine?

          15. bobnstuff says:

            Ours, It happened just that way down the road from me.

          16. Winston Salins says:

            My counsel says your court is corrupt and drug cartel controlled so not to attend.

          17. bobnstuff says:

            Get a new counsel because yours has some problems. Over the years I have had a number of dealings with the system and they would run much smoother if anyone had control over them. I can’t think of any part of the courts I haven’t had to deal with and as a whole they have been slow but almost gracious. There are one or two judges I don’t care for but most have been people trying to do a very tough job.

          18. Winston Salins says:

            Getting back to the basic topic; I think Mexico has dumped a whole lot of it’s citizens across the border in order to win the war against US that they had started and lost. Now they are winning in demographics by out producing children who become automatic US citizens at the expense of naive American taxpayers. They have also allowed citizens of other countries from Latin America and rest of the world to move freely through their southern border, fully well aware that they are on their way to US. American psych has been so hung up on human rights of the citizens of other countries to a point of fault of neglecting our own security and National Interests.

          19. maxx says:

            Who the hell cares who pays for it. One years worth of illegals coming here and living off the taxpayers stopped by the wall will probably pay off the cost.

          20. bobnstuff says:

            This wall will only slow things down some and only until these people discover boats and the tunnels are finished. The flow of drugs will not be effected in the least.

          21. CCblogging says:

            Ha, Ha, you don’t understand but I’ll say it again, Mexico will pay for our wall as they should.

          22. bobnstuff says:

            Why should Mexico pay for the wall? A simple question.

          23. CCblogging says:

            Why? Why Not! Because Mexico is complicit in the invasion of America by not stopping the illegal’s, the criminals and the terrorists. Mexico is sending their worse to America.

          24. bobnstuff says:

            Trump claimed this but like most of his rants there is no facts to back it up. The Mexican government isn’t sending anyone into our country. Right now the Mexicans are leaving in greater numbers then they are coming in. Also to the best of my knowledge not one of the terrorist arrested have come in from Mexico. Most were born here or came in legally. Terrorist don’t sneak in. If you want a useless wall you can have it, but it’s not Mexico’s wall and there is no good reason for them to pay for it.

            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/reality-check/2015/jul/07/fact-checking-donald-trump

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/06/donald-trump/trump-mexican-government-they-send-bad-ones-over/

          25. CCblogging says:

            Useless Wall?? Bob, you and the dims are peeing up a rope. The wall will be built. BTW, contrary to what you say, there are Islamic terrorist training camps just across the border.

          26. bobnstuff says:

            The border patrol asked for a fence that you can see through. Walls don’t work and cost more then the fence. Just take a minute and think about it. with a wall you see them when they hit the top of it, with a fence you see them coming. It’s no easier to get by the fence if it’s put up correctly and it works better. In reality both can be gotten around.
            There is not real proof of any training camps our they would be long gone. If you took the time to check any facts you would see just how bad the idea of a wall is. I side with the border patrol on this one.
            //www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/isismexico.asp
            http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/04/17/us-state-dept-calls-report-on-isis-training-camps-in-mexico-unfounded.html

          27. CCblogging says:

            Ha, Ha, one word Bob. “Cameras” Got it yet?

          28. bobnstuff says:

            Gee, tech went eye can do a better job and cost less. Prisons are no longer built with walls surrounding them, they have fences. Our military bases use fences even nuclear power plants use fences. I guess you have a thing for wasting money on things that aren’t as good but cost more.

          29. CCblogging says:

            You talk BS

          30. kbfallon says:

            I second that and will TRUMP you with he’s a lying sack of shit!

          31. bobnstuff says:

            Look at a map and see how much sea coast there is.Look at the money drugs bring in because of Americans buying them and tell me that a wall will do anything to stop them. They are even using drones to fly them in now. They built a tunnel with a small rail system in it in San Diego under a very nice wall.

          32. CCblogging says:

            Bob lives in an alternate world.

          33. bobnstuff says:

            It’s called the real world.

          34. kbfallon says:

            He enjoys aggravating people….I imagine he’s about 5 ft.4in. and hung like a hamster.

          35. CCblogging says:

            Sometimes, I call him Obobma.

          36. Rock says:

            Works WITH us on trade, keeps illegals OUT of our country, FAIR TRADE ?!?!? YOU are FULL of Liberal/Democrat lies and BULLSHIT ! Very little “skilled labor”
            exists in Mexico. Mexico does almost NOTHING to work With the U.S. They DO take in any business operations that want cheap and “iffy” labor. I hope no one reading your CRAP is dumb enough to believe it.

          37. bobnstuff says:

            Unlike the US Mexico has immigration laws that work and they send back far more people to there own countries faster then we do. It’s safe to say you have never looked into this and are just repeating the line you have been feed.
            http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/06/11/mexico-deportations-central-american-migrants-up-7-percent-in-first-4-months.html
            America called and Mexico answered.

        2. Tiger says:

          Exactly and that goes for our food. I won’t buy fish unless it is from our waters. Look at the frozen section all from China, Taiwan, Nam all over the place. So Publix had so many people requesting American fish they have a good selection. That goes for fruits and veggies also. We used to grow our food, make our clothes, made our cars and NAFTA came along. I saw traveling across this country on deployments the towns shut down and the people without jobs.

          During this time there were so many suicides by farmers that doctors went to Congress to discuss it. McVeigh saw this and he went berserk and blew up the wrong people. Sad what this One World nonsense has brought. When I lived in Europe they were worried about loosing their Sovereignty and by George they almost have.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            We have increased our manufacturing every year for a long time in the US. We are the second largest manufacturing country and only just number two. For every one of those shut down towns there is a nice new one somewhere else, go look in the south, that where most of the northern jobs went. I’m old enough to remember the Japanese transistor radios. If you think about it much of what we get from China it has never been built here. All those small electronics have been built over seas since they were invented.

            That food we import from Mexico is done so you can eat strawberries in December. By heading south we no longer have seasonal fruits and because of rule that NAFTA put in place food safety isn’t a big problem with the stuff from Mexico.

            As far as food products from China, I wouldn’t feed them to my dog. It’s just not safe to eat. We have some of the best food safety rules in the world or we will until someone removers them.

          2. CCblogging says:

            Hey Bob, Relax, China is on President Trump’s list for a reality check too.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            It should have been number one but instead he picks a fight with the neighbor that will work with him.

          4. CCblogging says:

            Work with him?? Is that why president taco canceled the meeting??

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Trump told him to. He has made it clear that Mexico will not pay for our wall. Trump said if Mexico isn’t paying for the wall not to come.

          6. CCblogging says:

            Then Trump did the right thing.

          7. Rock says:

            Mexico will NOT work wit us unless THEY run the meeting and will come out ahead.. And that is a FACT !
            They never have, nor will they ever.

          8. bobnstuff says:

            Did you not see Trump Tweet ?

          9. CCblogging says:

            Our establishment politicians were bought off and they sold out America. President Trump is doing the right thing on this issue. I appreciate him more by the day!

          10. Tiger says:

            Amen I appreciate him more daily also and it is so refreshing to see him strong and the nations now see it and even Mayors of the Sanctuary cities are realizing they best not push him because he is right. In our countries laws it is clear you get seriously punished for harboring illegals knowing they are illegal, giving them jobs or helping them in any way.

            America under O was a lawless and crazy place with Muslims, enemies, blacks and illegals running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Mucking and rioting and bashing and all with no fear of punishment. I believe they are beginning to see it is over.

          11. maxx says:

            Obama turned America into a lawless, godless “third world slum” as fast as he could. That is why he was sent here. The liberals knew running a black candidate was the best way to destroy America because of the liberal “white guilt complex” so pervasive throughout our entire education system. And now it’s “white privilege” that they are cashing in on.

          12. Tiger says:

            Right on.

          13. CCblogging says:

            Yep, there’s a new sheriff in town. If Trump continues on the path he’s on, he will be known as the greatest President ever!

          14. Tiger says:

            You know I think your statement is true, we have never come this far down the rung of the ladder to Communism and One World Order and pulling us out he will be praised. Going to take the world awhile to understand WE ARE A SOVEREIGN NATION AND A GRAND REPUBLIC AND DON’T TREAD ON US.

          15. CCblogging says:

            It really feels great to know that the darkness of the Obama regime is fading away. God bless America and President Trump.

          16. maxx says:

            And just consider the “food inspection” laws and rules in those countries. They have none.

          17. Tiger says:

            Right on. The illegals have brought back disease we conquered and many new and horrible diseases.

          18. kbfallon says:

            Obammies govt. denied that but it’s obvious to all.
            Some of them were even defecating in the corners of the bathrooms—they didn’t even know what the toilet was.

          19. Tiger says:

            The Africans they have brought in are disgusting. Somalians what a slap in the face that was to us after what they did to our soldiers in Black Hawk down. Dragging our men through the streets. They are a Culture of rape and savagery and that is why O brought them here.

          20. Tiger says:

            I will never forget the day that I saw the cover of a major magazine with the picture of all these savages smiling and giving the finger to the dead soldier they were standing over. I was on my way to a weekend drill, I cried then I was infuriated and I remember all of us were. We vowed never to help them or accept assignments to Africa, anywhere in Africa. I kept true to that promise. They have no business in civilized countries and now that Trump has stopped immigration from those seven countries, one Somalia will Trump deport all O brought in? They are taking over small towns across our country and they are not citizens.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh0us8c0vOg

          21. kbfallon says:

            I seem to recall where they were trying/or did change the laws about labeling ….as to where some of those products were coming from to make it easier for them to sell it here?

          22. Tiger says:

            Don’t know we don’t eat much canned goods or eat out often. My man has had three careers and one as a Chef and he cooks and mostly fresh foods.

      2. Peter Smith says:

        Actually bob, we export more to Mexico than you have posted. But you fail to acknowledge that we have had a $45 to $75 billion trade deficit with Mexico over the last 25 years or more. That is a very poor recipe for economic stability and growth for our US economy. And it’s not just Mexico, it is pretty much across the worldwide board. Paying out more than you make is a huge reason why our national debt is now $20 trillion.
        And bob, before Obama, we were the numero uno in world economy since about 1900 until we lost it under the Obama fiasco. Technically we are now number three behind China and the EU, at least from the numbers I have researched.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          You mean before Bush, The economy crashed under him but we didn’t lose number one because we cut production, and in fact you need to trust China’s numbers to say that we aren’t number one still. Have you noticed that getting good data is not as easy as it should be. As far as out debt, about 14% is owed to other countries and 40% is owed to our own government in IOU’s to SS. It isn’t Imports or Exports that has created our National debt. It’s congress spending money they don’t have. Income must match out go in the real world but not in congress. They have this funny idea that if you cut your income you will have more money. They also believe that if you give a rich person money they will share it. and it will be passed down though the economy. If you want to put money into the economy give it to someone who spends it. Trump wants a wall were a fence would be better. Congress is going to roll over and give him his wall and guess who in the long run will pay for it. Anyway you slice it we loose.

          1. maxx says:

            The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from the beginning of NAFTA with massive numbers. Our deficit with China is far worse. We can thank Wal-Mart shoppers for that. I hate Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club both for it’s cozying up to China. That goes all the way back to Richard Nixon who re-opened the doors to China. Wal-Mart has a enormous fleet of cargo ships as big as aircraft carriers or bigger that do nothing but sail between China and out east and west coast ports normally operated by China thanks to Bill Clinton. China also operates the Panama Canal now so we are in deep trouble if anything ever erupts with China. American tax payers paid to complete that canal and now China is in charge. That happened shortly after the CZ was returned to Panamanian control/ownership in 1999. That was on Clinton’s watch.

          2. Florence Millard says:

            I remember reading about that……………It took a ship fully loaded to travel to the U.S. 7 days. But once here and unloaded, it only took 5 days to return to China.

          3. maxx says:

            I read that too. I know Wal-Mart is probably the most important retailer to lower income people but what people don’t know is just how many Mom and Pop small businesses Wal-Mart put out of business. It number is astronomical. These little stores were the life blood of small town America and deserved protection from Wal-Mart but politicians who owned interests in Wal-Mart did nothing but filled their own pockets. I specifically boycott Wal-Mart and Target..

          4. gvette says:

            Wow. You still beating that drum? It’s wrong, by the way. Can you stand the truth, Bob?

            The seeds of the mortgage meltdown were planted during Bill Clinton’s presidency.

            Under Clinton’s HUD secretary Andrew Cuomo, Community Reinvestment Act regulators gave banks higher ratings for home loans made in “credit-deprived” areas. Banks were effectively rewarded for throwing out sound underwriting standards and writing loans to those who were at high risk of defaulting. If banks didn’t comply with these rules, regulators reined in their ability to expand lending and deposits.

            These new HUD rules lowered down payments from the traditional 20% to 3% by 1995 and zero down payments by 2000. What’s more, in the Clinton push to issue home loans to lower income borrowers, Fannie and Freddie made a common practice to virtually end credit documentation, low credit scores were disregarded, and income and job history was also thrown aside. The phrase “subprime” became commonplace. What an understatement.

            Next the Clinton administration’s rules ordered the taxpayer-backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to expand their quotas of risky loans from 30% of portfolio to 50% as part of a big push to expand home ownership. Fannie and Freddie were securitizing these home loans and offering 100 percent taxpayer guarantees of repayment. So now taxpayers were on the hook for these risky, low down payment loans.

            Tragically, when prices fell, lower income folks who really could not afford these mortgages under normal credit standards, suffered massive foreclosures and personal bankruptcies. So many will never get credit again. It’s a perfect example of liberals using government allegedly to help the poor, but the ultimate consequences were disastrous for them.

            Additionally, ultra-easy money from the Fed also played a key role. Rates were held too low for too long in 2002-2005, which created asset price bubbles in housing, commodities, gold, oil, and elsewhere. When the Fed finally tightened, prices collapsed. So did mortgage collateral (homes) and mortgage bonds that depended on the collateral. Many bond packages were written to please Fannie and Freddie, based on the fantastical idea that home prices would never fall. Fannie and Freddie, by the way, cost the taxpayers $187 billion.

            Just to make this story worse, Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama voted to filibuster a Republican effort to roll back Fannie and Freddie. But on top of all this, while Hillary was propping up Fannie and Freddie, she was taking contributions from their foundations. Here is how a Washington Times investigative report concluded:

            Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae’s political action committee and individuals linked to the companies donated $75,500 to Mrs. Clinton’s senatorial campaign. And on top of that, the embattled Clinton Foundation received a $50,000 contribution from Freddie Mac, according to the Times.

            To be clear, there was plenty of blame to go around among both political parties and the horde of housing lobbyists who helped set up this real estate house of cards. It’s a sordid story with plenty of blame all around. And the Fannie/Freddie story is still not solved. It now includes profit sweeping from shareholders to the government, thereby ending any chance to sell the mortgage agencies back to the private sector.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/11/bank-n01.html

            http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/who-caused-the-economic-crisis/

            http://fic.wharton.upenn.edu/fic/papers/02/0239.pdf

            Here are three totally different points of view on what happened but non give Bill Clinton or the Democrats much credit for the crash. You will find the Wharton piece the best but how much credit can you give them if you look at who they let go there.

          6. gvette says:

            Please Bob, you’re far left sources aren’t quit right.

          7. bobnstuff says:

            I picked Trump school just so you wouldn’t say that. I went far left, middle and far right. Wharton is where Trump got his degree from. It’s one of the best histories of why things went south economically by explaining why they took the regulations off in the first place.

          8. gvette says:

            trump U? how about this: In April 2015, Bill Clinton was forced to abruptly resign from his lucrative perch as honorary chancellor of Laureate Education, a for-profit college company. The reason for Clinton’s immediate departure: Clinton Cash revealed, and Bloomberg confirmed, that Laureate funneled Bill Clinton $16.46 million over five years while Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. pumped at least $55 million to a group run by Laureate’s founder and chairman, Douglas Becker, a man with strong ties to the Clinton Global Initiative. Laureate has donated between $1 million and $5 million (donations are reported in ranges, not exact amounts) to the Clinton Foundation. Progressive billionaire George Soros is also a Laureate financial backer.
            Now do you remember back before deregulation? When interest rates on saving were 4 to 6 percent? Most Americans amassed about hundred thousand in their savings. Then when they retired, they could live nicely from their SS, and the interest from their savings, without having to touch the principal. I remember it. In fairness, that was done by both sides of the isle.

          9. bobnstuff says:

            And where the Clinton’s got money from has something to do with building a wall or tariffs or even the financial crash. The election is over,Trump is president, get over it.

            As far as living off the interest and your SS it’s not basic savings but your money market account’s interest and your 401k that you should be able too live on. The rules of banking changed and how you saved needed to along with them. I live very nicely of interest and SS.

          10. gvette says:

            Of course things changed you dumb fuck. It had to. people lost.I hate this, but Bob, are you really as stupid as you sound?

          11. Retired says:

            Maybe he is related to AKLady2015 .

          12. gvette says:

            LOL…I’m not sure that would be healthy. She’s buried three husbands.

          13. Retired says:

            That is what people are telling you , get over it TRUMP is the President. No smart person would have that much money in the bank these days to live off of interest plus you pay taxes on it.

          14. bobnstuff says:

            I know you didn’t mean it that way but you just said you wouldn’t keep your money in a bank with Trump as president. I maxed out my 401k every year for a while and also took advantage of the ESP at work. Both were either matched or discounted. I also am debt free so I only need my living expenses, food utilities and insurance. I still pay property tax but I’m grandfathered in at a pretty low rate. I have a larger income now then before I retired. I still work one or two days a week, not because a need to but because I really enjoy my job. When it stops being fun I can quit. I have let my employer know that i will work a max of 100 days or 800 hours, not one minute more. My point is I made an plan and stuck to it. To many people don’t look a head and don’t make a plan, stupid.

          15. Retired says:

            There you go putting words in other peoples statements , no where was Trump mentioned, people with large sums of money would not have it in a bank since the low interest. So that includes your friend Obama. Working 800 Hrs. means you are not as filthy rich as you portray. Interest counts as taxable income .

          16. bobnstuff says:

            I said you didn’t mean it but you could read it as

            “That is what people are telling you , get over it TRUMP is the
            President. No smart person would have that much money in the bank these
            days to live off of interest plus you pay taxes on it.” being all one though.

            I’m not filfhy rich, I got an Ex wife. However I don’t ever have to work again but I do love my job and it gets me out of the house. As far as taxable income I control it so my hit isn’t to bad and unlike most people paying taxes doesn’t bother me. If they get to be more then I feel like paying I will just start up another business and use the write offs.

          17. Retired says:

            The left does not want to hear those things.

          18. gvette says:

            I give him facts, and he tries to twist them. Then again, that’s all the left has.

          19. Retired says:

            Haven’t you noticed that he is almost as bad as AK Lady.

          20. gvette says:

            Yes sir, I know that. Speaking of AK, has she been on as of late? I haven’t seen her. I don’t much care for her, but I hope she’s ok. (as in her head blowing up)

          21. Retired says:

            She posts under different names with a different Script. Seldom see her and Bob on the same page if at all.

          22. gvette says:

            You’d know more about that then I. Although the last time she was on, she said she was going to block me! LOL..then right after that, she hit me with more crap.

          23. Retired says:

            That seed was planted going back to LBJ and his followers in the Democrat party with the 0 Down payment on a home buying which included protecting Freddy and Fanny along with the banks
            Just like the BS with student loans that they can not refinance to a lower interest rate. The Banking industry stuck it to the people in the US and world wide through the IMG/IMF and world bank.

            ..

          24. gvette says:

            true, but we saw it come true in Clintons time. Bob will still go out of his way to blame Republicans. They too are part of it.

          25. Retired says:

            Yes , both parties need to share the Guilt , but many lost their Jobs and benefits Under Bill Clinton . Even under Obama with his allowing US workers to be replaced with foreign workers.

          26. gvette says:

            You’ll get no argument from me on that, Retired.

          27. Peter Smith says:

            And the banking industry caused this crash, not George Bush. Banks including the government agencies FannieMae and FreddieMac. They all took huge risks for huge possible profits by risking subprime market loans and it bit them all in the butt. Bush asked Congress (under control of the DNC at the time) to audit Freddie and Fannie because is was partly their doing in attempting to make homeownership available to everyone. the DNC Congress refused the audit. It didn’t matter that the buyers couldn’t afford the mortgages that came with the loans, that is all that was important for the liberal controlled Congress.
            bob, it is also that under the Obama administration, Obama overspending added $9 trillion to the debt, this is a fact that cannot be disputed. If you’ll remember the one time the GOP attempted to stop the bleeding by refusing to give Obama more money, Obama and the liberal media crucified them in the press. It cost them dearly in the subsequent elections.
            I will disagree with your “fence” assertion. We need a wall, PERIOD. It is not just Central and South Americans crossing over, it is others far worse. And bottom line, every nation has a sovereign right to secure borders. In today’s world, anything else is lunacy, ask Europe. Besides that bob, a good portion of the money is already allotted and awaiting on the word for work to begin again. A this point, who pays is a moot point, the wall is necessary and will be built.

        2. kbfallon says:

          Add to that –most all of the countries we trade with have some kind of tariff on their imports…except us. That is a problem also.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            You are aware that we have tariffs on lots of things. Because of China’s dumping of steel in or country we now have 266% tariff on some of their steel products. There is a 26% tariff on solar panels. If you don’t know we have lots of tariffs on lots of countries for lots of thing please educate yourself.

          2. kbfallon says:

            I stand by my comments always…!

          3. Peter Smith says:

            And it is a problem, that I feel, this administration is better equipped to fight than any other administration the last 40 to 50 years, at least. Maybe the best equipped ever. I want to see the Trump administration make it happen.

      3. Retired says:

        Funny you don’t state how many Billions Mexico sends into the US , Why is that. How many millions do we send to China and how many Billions do they send to the US ?? Are you a bean counter that only works in one direction??

    2. kbfallon says:

      My father used to have a bumper sticker on his car that said–“Buy American-the job you save may be your own.”

      1. CCblogging says:

        You father was a wise man.

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