Trump after intel briefing: Hacking did not impact election outcome

by Katie Bo Williams | TheHill.com  |  published on January 7, 2017

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Cyberattacks by foreign nations had “absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election,” President-elect Donald Trump said in a statement following a briefing by senior intelligence officials on their assessment that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

While Trump conceded that “Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions, businesses and organizations including the Democrat National Committee,” he stopped short of saying that he believes Russia was the perpetrator of the DNC breach — or that it was an attempt to influence the outcome of the presidential election.

“There were attempts to hack the Republican National Committee, but the RNC had strong hacking defenses and the hackers were unsuccessful,” Trump said in the statement.

Trump called the meeting “constructive,” noting that he has “tremendous respect for the work and service done by the men and women of this community to our great nation.”

Trump’s reaction to the briefing has been hotly watched as a barometer for whether he will accept the overwhelming conclusion of the intelligence community that Moscow attempted to interfere in the 2016 election.

  • ravenwings

    Those that want to blame Russia knew what ever was going on months ago and they thought they were helping Hillary and Not a word would have been said if she had won. We really ducked a big bullet.

  • ravenwings

    Nope… Hillary did that all by herself. Starting with her lying.

  • dmttbt

    Why would anyone accept anything from the intelligence community? Even if Russia hacked and got Hillary’s emails, what difference would it make? She had already been ordered to turn over the emails and decided to delete 52% of them and then not exactly turn over the rest. She broke the law by having the unauthorized server and then she ignored the subpoena and deleted 52% of the emails saying they were private and not important. It sure seems that they were important because she has the whole country crying for her unfair treatment. BS. The information released that was in the emails has not been denied as being not true. She should be in jail at the least until her trial. She is guilty and everyone knows she is now get of your political thieving a ses and prosecute her and anyone else who is tied to it. **** I will advise Trump to persue the investigation and the arrest and to build the wall on the border.

  • NM Leon

    I have no problem believing that Russia was behind the leaks or that Putin approved it. I have no problem believing that they were intended to harm Hildabeast’s presidency (they apparently thought she would win). If they thought Hildabeast would win, the idea they were trying to help Trump is suspect, buttressed by the fact that they delayed the release of the info until after the Democratic convention. Apparently they wanted Hildabeast as a damaged president while they had all of the info from her private server (not even in doubt).

    What I have a problem with is the idea that this is in any way at all a new thing.

    Where was the Democratic outrage when the Red Chinese tried to influence the ’96 election in favor of Clinton/Gore?

    Where was the outrage when the USSR tried to influence the ’86 election against RR (with Ted Kennedy’s colusion with the Kremlin)?

    For that matter where was the Democratic outrage when Obozo spent $300k tax payer money to try to influence the Israeli election against Netanyahu in 2015, or in the 81 other instances when we have tried to influence foreign elections from 1946 to 2000?

    We are way behind the 8 ball on cyber security and desperately need to address it, not because Russia tried to influence our election (for the umpteenth time), but because our government (as opposed to private political organizations) is terribly vulnerable.

    The recent OPM hack of personal info (including mine) was a disgrace. They may not have been able to stop a determined attack, it’s very difficult to stop the most sophisticated attacks, but by law all of the data should have been encrypted…none was.

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  • Bob

    First, Chump said the Russians didn’t do the hacking. And now he says it didn’t have an effect on his illegitimate election. He’ll NEVER be recognized as the real President. It’s just a fact of life. Now righties, cough up the money to build that wall. Mexico has said again, “Go to Hell, Chump.” So another LIE he told to his Trumpette Sheep, and they swallowed it as usual.

  • Bob

    Seems like righties are scared of everything, including their own shadows. You better be afraid of Chump, Paul Ryan and the red neck hill-billy, Bitch McConnell, stealing your Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and leaving you with an Insurance Voucher that won’t cover a pimple on your butt. Don’t you wonder, what kind of voucher will Congress have while they’re sticking you with one. Better wise up righties!!!!!!

  • Patriot41

    Does anyone remember the news report about a young man who was working for the DNC, being recently killed in the early morning hours on the streets in D.C.? That report indicated that members from the Russia embassy had tried to alert our intelligence agency, that the victim had become aware of subversion taking place at the DNC pertaining to the upcoming election and was trying to leak this information. The response by this administration, was to expel the Russian diplomats from the U.S.

    If Russia was involved with trying to sabotage our election process, then why would they have brought this information to the attention of our intelligence agencies? One has not yet heard who was responsible for that young man’s death, but one would bet that it was not the Russians.

    • Retired

      The body count just keeps getting bigger and nothing gets done about it.

    • Bob

      I don’t recall the story of the young man working for the DNC. Where did the Russian Embassy get their info? And what sort of “subversion” are you trying to spin? I do recall the live video of an Orange Head Pervert clown saying he enjoys groping women and grabbing them by the Humwah. Ah yes, another Hero for the Righties to love and adore!

      • Patriot41

        Not spinning any subversion Bob, as everything I have said was reported in the news, if you did not see it or chose to ignore it, that is your problem not mine!

        Don’t ask me where the Russian ambassadors got their news because that was not mentioned in the news reports and they were immediately sent home by security, so were unable to talk with the media. My guess would be that they were monitoring our security, just like we monitor their security activity.

        You are obviously a radical democrat when you refer to your next president as an Orange Head Pervert clown, so one gives you very little creditability with anything you say. You never liked groping women huh, makes one wonder what type of man you are? I suppose you never, ever groped a girl while you were dating, yeah right. Get a life there lefty.

      • Anouk

        Very dumb post!

    • goldie

      His name was Seth Rich – he was shot for no apparent reason – no robbery.

      • Patriot41

        Right and no explanation for his death, even though he worked with the DNC. Perhaps that is why he died.

  • Walter Flatt

    WHAT GOT HILLARY WAS THEIR FORMER AND PRESENT DEALING. GOOGLE THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLES AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN.

    MASONS AND ALL TAX EXAMPT ENTITIES IT IS PAST TIME TO QUIT PLAY ACTING AND START WORKING TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY, LIKE MASONS DID THE FIRST 60 YEARS. BEFORE MUSLIMS TAKE US OVER AND STOP US HERE.

    I AM A 32 DEGREE MASON, WITH NEARLY 60 YEARS OF SERVICE AND I CAN TAKE A STAND. A KOREAN WAR VET 51/53. I AM ASHAMED OF WHAT JOHNSON’S TAX EXAMPTION CLAUSE DID FOR THIS COUNTRY.

    IF OUR FIRST PRESIDENT, GEORGE WASHINGTON A MASTER OF HIS LODGE TOOK A STAND, SO CAN YOU AND IF YOU DO NOT, YOU ARE TRYING TO DESTROY MY COUNTRY. HE DID NOT HIDE.

    NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL TAX EXAMPT ENTIES, SUCH AS THE MASONIC LODGE, KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS MOOSE, ELKS,AND ALL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET, FIND OUT ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING AND ADVISE THEIR PEOPLE THE TRUE STORY SO THAT THEY CAN VOTE FOR THE MOST QUALIFIED.

    TRUMP HAS SAID HE WOULD DO AWAY WITH WHAT THE TAX EXAMPT DEAL THAT JOHNSON PUT ON, KEEPING TAX EXEMPT ENTITIES FROM TALKING POLITICS.

    WE MUST FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY OR LOSE IT, THE MUSLIMS ARE TRYING TO TAKE IT OVER AND THE BIASED MEDIA AND POLITICIANS ARE TOO STUPID TO TELL THE PUBLIC.

    IF WE DO NOT STICK TOGETHER AS A UNIT, THEN WE ARE DONE FOR. THE AMISH PEOPLE VOTED AS A UNIT FOR TRUMP AND GAVE HIM PA., OH., MICH., IOWA, FLA., NEARLY VA., AND HELPED IN IND. THIS SHOW WHAT CHRISTIAN PEOPLE CAN DO WHEN WE STICK TOGETHER.

    GOOGLE, THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLES 2015. WE CAN CHANGE THE DIRECTION OUR COUNTRY IS HEADING.

    MASONS HAD 14 PRESIDENTS AND 18 VICE PRESIDENTS, THE FIRST 100 YEARS AND WE DESIGNED WASHINGTON, DC. BUT BECAUSE OF A PLAN BY JOHNSON TO TAKE AWAY OUR TAX EXAMPTION WE ARE NOT ACTIVE IN POLITICS.

    TRUMP SAID HE WOULD DO AWAY WITH THE ABOVE LAW.

    I VOTED FOR TRUMP. IF YOU GOOGLE THE NEW CLINTON CHRONICLES 2015, YOU WILL KNOW WHY.

    A LAW WAS PASSED IN 1952 BANNING ALL MUSLIMS FROM THIS COUNTRY. LET US HOPE AND PRAY TRUMP ENFORCES THIS LAW.

    PRAY FOR PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP EVERY DAY. HE WILL NEED US TO OVERCOME THE EVEL OF THIS WORLD.

    GRAND LODGE IN WASHINGTON, AND GRAND LODGES IN EACH STATE HAD BETTER WAKE UP OR WE WILL LOSE ALL PRIVELAGES IF THERE IS A MUSLIM TAKE OVER AND SO WILL ALL TAX EXAMPTS.

    BELIEVERS IN CHRIST STICK TOGETHER, THIS IS WHAT MILLIONS AMISH PEOPLE DID. 30 LEADERS MEET IN OHIO WITH 3 MILLION AND VOTED THAT ALL WOULD VOTE FOR TRUMP. THERE COULD BE 20 MILLION AMISH IN THIS COUNTRY.

    THIS IS WHAT GAVE HIM OH, PA, MICH, FLA, IOWA AND HELPED IN IND AND NEARLY GAVE HIM VA.

    FOLKS IF YOU DO NOT THINK GOD WAS INVOLVED IN THIS ELECTION, I SUGGEST YOU THINK AGAIN.

    I BELIEVE WE HAVE BEEN SET UP BY HILLARY, OBAMA, KERRY, SOROS, AND THE BIASED MEDIA AT A TRY FOR A MUSLIM TAKEOVER, IF NOT, WHY ARE THERE A MINIMUM OF 37 MUSLIMS CAMPS IN THE USA, (5 IN N. VA. CLOSE TO DC) AND A FEMA CAMP IN EVERY STATE, TRY AND BUY UP ALL AMMO, TAKE OUR GUNS, BRING IN THOUSANDS OF YOU MUSLIMS. GET READY FOLK. PUT PIG GREASE ON YOUR BULLETS.

    OH, I HAVE KEEP RECORDS OF ALL THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED THE LAST 8 YEARS AND HAVE FACTS AND FIGURES IF ANY OF YOU PEOPLE DOUBT ME.

    SHARE, SHARE, SHARE THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

  • justinwachin

    Let’s set President Obama’s feigned “righteous indignation” aside for a moment. Is President Obama prepared to say the United States hasn’t tried to hack or influence elections in other nations?

    President Obama got involved in the Brexit vote. He also got involved in some Israeli elections. I suspect the United States has secretly tried to influence Russian elections. This is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. (I’m not referring to skin color or ethnicity.)

    • Retired

      Israel – Britain middle Eastern Countries were prime examples of that, so who had a ax to grind with the US Democrats.

      • justinwachin

        Good point. I think the first country you listed would be the most likely. In the interest of survival they have developed a lot of capabilities that other countries don’t seem to have done much with. It doesn’t require too much thought to see why they would prefer to take their chances with Donald Trump.

        If this suddenly makes the national news we will know the teleprompter readers troll this site.

        • Retired

          Remember they were the ones that opened the I phone from the Ca. murder Muslin Couple.

    • NM Leon

      Actually (in addition), we have tried to influence foreign elections 81 (documented) times between 1946 and 2000. It’s what countries do.

      • justinwachin

        So this really comes down to another attempt by Hillary’s followers in the media to blame someone for Hillary’s loss other than Hillary and the rotten leadership of her organization. If Russia exposed the corruption of Hillary’s campaign we all should send a heartfelt thanks to Mr. Putin. America deserves better than Hillary Rotten Clinton.

        • NM Leon

          Bingo, got it in one.

  • John Zullo

    Isn’t it amazing that the DNC Chair, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, corrupted the primary in favor of Hillary Clinton. Why does the press ignore the fact that the DNC is as corrupt as the Nixon Watergate cover-up. It was 2 Washington Post reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, that broke the case open. The liberal media was all over Nixon and his staff, which was appropriate. Why are they not all over the DNC. Probably because 90% of the media, which includes the Washington Post, has a liberal bias.
    Isn’t it amazing that Debbie Wasserman Shultz resigned as the Chair and the new Interim Nation Chair, Donna Brazile, corrupts one of the Presidential Debates by obtaining questions in advance of the debate and givin them to Hillary Clinton. Why isn’t the media all over the DNC, probably because it has a liberal bias.
    Isn’t it interesting that the liberal media is trying to discredit Trump’s election. They say the FBI, CIA, and other intelligence has proof that the Russian’s hacked the corrupt DNC and gave the information to WikiLeaks to give to the US public. The liberal democrats are furious at Russia. I don’t know about you, but I’m furious at the Democrats for being so corrupt.

  • jandjnesbitt@aol.com

    What ever who ever did… did not alter the election results… verified by Clapper and the rest of the investigation… Now Go dream up something else you looney Libtard Democrook Snowflake Morons

  • DrBillLemoine

    Trump has absolutely no confidence in his statement–hacking didn’t influence his election. He may be right, campaign moves determined the outcome, hacking was present but not determinative. But he doesn’t believe himself.
    It’s up to all Americans to evaluate Trump–his ties to Russia and Putin, his sentiments favoring Russia/Putin/Assange of WikiLeaks, his efforts to protect America more than just himself/family/business involvement. It’s up to our elected Congress to hold legitimate hearings, thoroughly vetting nominees, and ultimately considering impeachment articles if corruption continues.
    Continues? Before the election, during his campaign and now pending swearing in at inauguration, Trump has broken laws, conned people of their money, lied about his philanthropy, hidden his tax returns, appointed known kooks and affiliated in public with mafia types. That’s not to mention his not-so-hidden favoritism of our #1 enemy. Upcoming we have the eventuality of Constitutional violations–emolument clause–and lawbreaking–Logan Act. How much is too much for the American people? When will a 21st century Woodward and Bernstein emerge to reveal the smoking gun of corruption in office? The thoughtful world wonders!!!

    • Pete

      Wikileaks did the job of revealing the smoking gun of corruption in office for all of us to see. The problem with that is it was about a year too soon for your liking.

      • DrBillLemoine

        I hope it doesn’t take a year in office for Trump to face impeachment. If he simply does after January 20th what he does now in-waiting, he’s a lead pipe cinch for articles drawn up. It’s all up to the House majority that keeps rolling over for this pariah on the right and pablum sucking Dems whose lapses in judgment and procedures caused Trump to win despite a vast plurality of voters supporting Hillary.
        BTW it’s not ‘my liking’ that’s at stake here–it’s the safety and security of the entire country from Russian control at home and aggression abroad. It’s my party, but the Dems are incompetent at so many levels.

        • Pete

          The democrat party simply walked away from the average working person decades ago in a quest for votes from any and every fringe group around. The end result was the election of Trump by those same abandoned working people. If you really want to do something constructive, work on correcting the dismal showing of your party throughout the past six years. Except for reelecting Obama the democrat party has lost over a thousand legislative seats nationwide. If something drastic isn’t done internally the democrat party will never survive. It may make you feel better to bring up those nearly three million extra vote totals for Hillary but the nation does not give a tinkers dam about it. The election is over & if they wouldn’t toss Bill Clinton out of office for turning the oval office into a brothel, impeachment is a pipe dream.

          • DrBillLemoine

            By contrast, I believe a Republican attack on union, business turning to automation, employers firing rather than retraining workers, corporations cutting their highest product cost wages by offshoring jobs to cheaper workers and other smaller factors were responsible for workers decline in America. Add a reluctance to go back to school for retraining, Republican drumbeat propaganda about union leadership detached from laborers, high cost of tuition with resulting student loan burden, CEOs diverting more profits to investors and themselves and you have a stake in the heart of the rust belt and rural America.
            Dems have failed to organize the DNC and State parties based on those factors, selecting round peg candidates for square hole needs. Next in line candidate promotion, failure to protect records from hacking, part time DNC and state party leaders add insult to injury. There’s no sense of community for progressive aims and legislation, little coordination nationally for vetting and supporting candidates, no ongoing legislative support as well. Dems are simply being outplayed by Reps.
            I’m too old to run for office as requested yesteryear. I’m too poor to fund any particular candidate to get a hearing for my ideas. I’m no longer in touch with significant party activists like before when I drove activists agendas. But the party will survive as one side of the political pendulum which rotates top offices periodically as complacent incumbents relax and become complacent. The tide of expanded rights, increasing individual freedoms and movement toward ‘a more perfect union’ are on the Dems side. Reps by contrast want to retrench, retreat, regress as they have no aims beyond greater wealth. Once gerrymandering is corrected and campaign finances are rectified, Dems will return naturally to office. The main factors against that are a dictatorial-minded president, ideological congress, business enhancing governors, and oppressive legislatures at national and state levels–Republicans all.
            You also exemplify a main goal of Republicans since RMNixon left office–trying to pin conservative-type corruption, morality and superiority on Dems and bending everything in government to cover their own extensive sins. But Nixon also shows that the nation will rise up to counter government corruption in a president–something Trump by all means is headed toward at warp speed already.

          • Pete

            You still are clinging to the same bitter ideology that lost the democrat party the thousand or so legislature seats. I didn’t leave the democrat party six yeas ago, the democrat party left me. The republican party elite are not one whit better than the democrat elite, but they are also not a great deal worse. If as you say you want the democrat party to prosper then work to change it back to what it once was, the party for the working man.
            I personally believe that it’s gone too far down the rabbit hole to ever emerge as anything worthwhile but I’d be happy to see it happen.

          • DrBillLemoine

            There is no ‘bitter ideology’ with labor by Dems. Credit Republican propaganda splitting workers from their union leaders (a move which has stagnated worker wages since Reagan), natural realignment of the parties flip-flopping from the 80s-00’s as Dems severed ties with Dixiecrats and automation plus employer neglect of worker retraining by big business.
            I watched the union bashing from both sides of the table, wrote union policies for salaries and quality circles, sat in the middle of a racial reversal of Southern party affiliation, watched automation increase while teaching computers, and saw a Dow Jones 30 Industrial corporation fire middle managers instead of retraining and retaining them.
            I agree that Dems must do more for labor, operators and mechanics and have advocated for such from an education management perch, virtually alone. It’s not too late if Dems emphasize younger candidates and ideas without abandoning special concepts like LGBTQ rights, women’s equality, black voter/civil rights at the same time.
            Unlike you, I see positive signs that younger partisans are taking charge with candidate identification, training, communicating and expect that to expand to governance features like ALEC. Dems are in disarray, not dead.

          • Pete

            Agree with the Dems being in disarray, but if the party can not appeal to the working individual directly then it never will come out of that disarray.

          • Retired

            The only people the Democrats care about today is the Educators Union and government employees. Obama proved that with how he took care of retirees.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Actually Dem party platform addresses much that working America likes. Minimum pay up means all paychecks rise. Halting corporate giveaways in States means lower taxes for workers. Equal pay for women raises their paychecks now being suppressed. Healthcare under Obamacare and Planned Parenthood keeps many base Republicans healthy at low cost. It wasn’t well advertised in the negativity generated by Trump controlling the media. Younger leadership is needed at DNC to utilize computers, issues and messaging better.

        • Retired

          You aught to pay as much attention to China – North Korea and their military build up as you do Russia. China will surpass Russia and the US with Military building, plus China did not build that Reef Island Military installation for looks. How much land and Industry does China own in the US and EU compared to Russia?? Kerrey and Obama sold out the US to Iran .

          • DrBillLemoine

            Russia and China together have 2 aircraft carriers. Both have nukes but we have more plus defenses. China has a big army but that won’t help them outside Asia. Russia won’t let them into Europe, their own backyard. You jest about military equivalence. Check the numbers sometime.
            No doubt China wants to control world commerce which passes through the Malacca Straits by Singapore. America will never recognize that despite island/atoll/reef fortresses. One mistake and they will be obliterated, no retaliation. China may abet North Korea as the belligerent they would like to be. No solution but to invade them, which we know from the Korean War won’t be permitted. Ditto nuking Kim.
            What’s your point about Chinese investment?
            Iran is under control if observers do their job under Trump, a dicey proposition since Russia was involved in the anti-nuke agreement. You aren’t seeing the big picture in any of these issues.

          • Retired

            You seem to forget about Reid’s land deal with China . then there is Biden with Kerry involvement in the Ukraine .

          • DrBillLemoine

            I don’t recall any ‘land deal’ by Reid. Unless it was a private deal, no such dealing would be under the radar. Or, are you a fan of false news which I don’t receive. And just what Biden/Kerry Ukraine involvement do you remember???

          • Retired

            You have a very selective memory when it comes to Democrat wrong doings.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I have no memory of your 2 incidences. Care to enlighten us briefly?

          • Retired

            Look it up , Bidens ties to Ukraine and Reids ties to land deal for China investors. Kerry and his investment into fracking from a former Commie country.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I am a futurist and planner, not dwelling in the past. We should do everything we can for former Soviet bloc countries seeking freedom in Europe and entry the Eurozone and NATO. That includes Ukraine. Both Canada and the USA have incentives to attract investment from China. $600,000 investment here gets green cards for entire families and jobs for Americans. What’s your beef? The only fracking country I have trouble with is Russia which shuts off gas supplies to European households and has developed no consumer industries for its citizens, because natural resource control of kelptocrats can more easily be siphoned into Putin and oligarch bank accounts. That’s a negative for Rex Tillerson upcoming SecState. More development in Russia means less freedom for Russians. Do you approve? Kerry has nothing to do with such business dealings.

          • Retired

            The US left those countries for 50 years under Commie rule and now the money Changers want to go in there and pilfer the public. I have friends in the EU and they keep me informed as I keep them . they Check things out and are shocked at what goes on. As far as Russia turning of gas it is no different than in the US , don’t pay your bill no utility. When people went west after the Curtain fell people went to the front of the lines and told those waiting we waited 50 years to be free now you can wait on us. You also forget the ruble is not a trade currency.

          • DrBillLemoine

            The USA is not in the business of regime change–not like Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld who did a poor job with it. There was never a ‘left those countries’ mentality post-WW2. Russia simply took over the nations they ‘liberated’ from Germany; remember the ‘Iron Curtain’?
            You are forgetting the ‘retribution’ gas cutoff by Russia for German and Eurozone resistance to their incursions into other nations–Moldova, Georgia and finally Ukraine. What do your sources know about those obscure nations? it’s NOT not paying a gas bill and you are dreaming or your friends are lying.
            Your last couple of sentences don’t make sense.

          • Retired

            Get it right Bush was the HNC and Cheney ran the country with his contacts at the pentagon .Russia as well as the Us -Britain and France signed a agreement to free those people . All but Russia lived up to the agreement. You do not have the full story on the cut off so give it up. We have Immigrants from those countries in my community and they have no reason to lie nor do the EU people I have contact with. You believe what the lopsided Media writes and not what happens in real life. You have no clue as to what communities like Detroit went through , my town went through it under Clinton already.

          • DrBillLemoine

            You are a Democrat at heart, just had a bad luck turn.
            Cheney was the president with figurehead Bush. Dick’s contacts however were all about Halliburton, not Defense, about oil, not vengeance for WMDs or Pappy Bush threats, seeking Iraq oil hegemony using war hawks as cover–Rumsfeld and Wolfowicz. They failed miserably, and Obama rightly withdrew.
            What agreement do you recall? You are confused about Iraq, Ukraine et al, is it a language barrier or ethnic bias?
            The only ‘lopsided’ media is faux news outlets among Breitbart and the conservative blogs, one of which banned me for telling the truth against their editor/writer. Also, my uncle lived in Detroit for years, visited often, knew MI and Detroit history as a Museum docent for years. Now you mention your unspecified ‘community’ so pursuit of your nonsense is not focused–good Republican tactic.

          • Retired

            How many years was Cheney involved with the pentagon?? Obama didn’t withdraw ,he could not get along with the new leadership . You are wrong about the media ,all they care about is ratings and not facts. Look at Cleveland – Detroit- Chicago and Philly with the surrounding areas, what is left there.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Cheney as Vice President was big with oil/energy interests, the reason for invading Iraq. As a congressman, he was still into WY oil using the military to achieve his energy ends.
            I’m critical about the media as well, publishing two letters last month alone in the NY Times chastising reporters and editors, often criticize right wing blog writers, headlines and editing (that got me banned by one editor/writer’s blog). Fox (comedy) News was a frequent target as were Rush, Hannity, Beck and TV’s Robertson with other reprobate pastors. I see some improvement since my stinging letter(s) on air and print, embeds and pool reporting, but not enough yet. Ratings are limited to tv, Trump’s concern with shows.
            You can blame firehose talking filled with lies, misrepresentations and phony stories too numerous to challenge at one interview; also, conservative and religious blogs that show little understanding of Gospel and religious principles, bad teaching and sermonizing by pastors; also, reporters are under-prepared in current facts/figures interviewing bigwigs, hence don’t challenge principals or keep them from diverging and evading answering legit questions.
            I think you should consider ‘white flight’ when you disparage big cities. Detroit is a ghost town; Chicago is segregated in housing; Philly suburbs house the rich people. Cleveland is isolated as a big city with minorities and poor education. I’d leave with young children to be educated–and did. But I still worked and shopped and had many friends there in my big central city.

          • Retired

            That is why the UN was formed as well as NATO, to prevent what Russia did for Fifty years.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I wasn’t very old when the UN was formed, but any citizen should know from American History in high school classes that it followed the League of Nations as a forum for nations to ventilate grievances and fellowship together, not to oppose or prevent Russia from anything. Ditto NATO although it was early dedicated to protecting Europe after the Iron Curtain fell. Remember Russia was an ally during WW2, albeit a suspicious and aggressively deviant and inscrutable one. Churchill didn’t like Stalin one bit but had trouble convincing a sickly Roosevelt of the trouble ahead. Russia has always been a pariah in Europe, seeking approval and inclusion while holding others at arms length. And it started in 1917, not 1945.

          • Retired

            No kidding . The US had no balls to free the eastern Europe. We would have half the problems today in the world.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Yes, that’s a dictator for you–strike, wall off your buffer socialist satellites with an iron curtain–Stalin the opportunist. But you are 28 years behind the times. Since 1989, there’s no more satellite nations, the reason Putin raised in the former KGB wants them back. But he can’t have them a la Crimea, so we have and increase sanctions. Trump may reverse all our progress in freed Warsaw Pact nations if he keeps schmoozing with Putin, himself and via Tillerson/Flynn.
            Do you want the USA caving via Trump or standing strong with Mattis?

          • Retired

            I would trust Bibi and Putin before the Chinese . Your Friend Obama destroyed the Israel relationship.

          • DrBillLemoine

            There is/was no Israel destruction, quite the contrary with the Iran agreement of the P5+1. Russia and Putin are no friends, not trustworthy if you read recent and current news reports from Israel. You are deceived like Trump.
            With Israel you are blind as well. Bebe went around the president and directly to congress–dissing the president. Plus Bebe is no friend by maintaining apartheid. Kerry said it best: Israel can be either Jewish or democratic, but not both. Right now it’s not democracy they have or seek. And you would trust Bebe? I don’t trust the Chinese politburo either. It’s middle class citizens are mostly fine.

        • NM Leon

          And as delusional as you.

      • Retired

        If people needed WikiLeaks , they were pretty uninformed as to how bad the DEMONRAT party is.

    • Retired

      People did not vote based on the hacking , most did not want the Clintons back in the WH period. Take your BS elsewhere.

      • DrBillLemoine

        Maybe most of your family ‘did not vote based on the hacking’. We simply don’t know the extent of Russian influence which went far beyond hacking. So maybe you voted due to other Russian factors. Clearly to observers, part of Clinton’s rejection was due to negative ads and stories directly supplied or promoted by Russia’s GRU, military intelligence. Are you so naïve to think they didn’t/couldn’t influence you–hacking or not? Clinton is not an evil person as propaganda indicated. If you think this is BS, you are as dumb as Trump in politics.

        • Retired

          You are the one posting negative BS against the US. The media gave Clinton Millions of dollars worth of free advertising with the Trump bashing stories. Anything written against Trump included how great Hillary was. You forget how many Countries the Obama administration interfered with elections .Clinton was no better. 8 years of Bill was enough damage , the US could not withstand another 8 years. Just like if they put up Moochele or Warren in 20 there is no way in hell they would get my vote. The parties need to come up with better women if they want a woman in the WH.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Give me a break~Trump spent virtually nothing on media ads by skillfully manipulating them for attention in news reports. Any ‘Trump bashing’ was and is well deserved for his unnatural lawbreaking, bilking of consumers and vendors, and promoting his businesses while campaigning–and we expect more of the same, illegal all of it, while president.
            Believe it or not, Hillary is a great person, with notable flaws, none of them emails or other smears perpetrated by the right and Putin interests. There was NO American interference in foreign elections, just truth telling about corruption in Putin’s 2011 election shenanigans, an election he almost lost because he’s a dictator-type.
            FYI many of us thrived during Bill’s tenure which was a boon for business, industry and workers like me.
            If you already hate potential 2020 candidates, you are dyed-in-the-wool conservative and a closed observer of the nation. There’s nothing wrong with the women you mention and more, but I think there will be no more women in the near term except sacrificial lambs. Too many men are gender biased, even oppressive of women like Trump–and YOU.

          • Retired

            You already forgot about O’s interference in Israel , you democrats have a very selective memory. You don’t seem to want to accept Bill and Hillary’s life together after they met. They thrive on each other with lies , but then Republicans are the only ones that do that. Under Billy boy there were thousands that lost jobs just in my area alone and they were good paying jobs. Manufacturing left the country under Billy boy.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Obama has not interfered in Israel. SecStates going back years have tried to broker resolution for peace and stability–not meddling. Both Clintons have thrived because they are smart, well educated public servants seeking to improve things toward ‘a more perfect union’. I approve.
            You have a point with NAFTA trade accord. I view it as lifting up a mediocre governed nation without widespread opportunity and rights–and safety–for citizens. Imagine the border crossings without the help of USA to improve Mexican life a little. But it’s Americans whose drug habits and sex appetites who abet much crime that crosses. Stop the drug use and pedophilia and we’ll all be better off, but habits are hard to break. Since I don’t know your ‘area’, I can’t respond; rust belt jobs went off shore to save wage expenses for big corps, many to MX and CN. Yet on the other hand, it was Repubicans in 2008-9 that pushed for failure of the entire auto industry that would have lost 100,000+ plus jobs abroad and jeopardized national security.
            As an educator, I’ve always advocated the ‘Comprehensive High School’ of James B. Conant, a Harvard seer, open apprenticeships by unions, and retraining by employers in lieu of layoffs. All must give a little to improve middle class paychecks and working conditions.

          • Retired

            Bill Clinton had a chance to stop the Influx of Drugs = guns and Illegals, instead he gave the order to not detain Trucks and trains coming into the US for inspections. Bill was a traitor to the working people and mainly the Black community do to lack of skills and education. Many were good in manufacturing jobs but not everyone can handle sitting at a desk .

          • DrBillLemoine

            Clinton was know as the ‘first black president’, so I don’t know what you remember–that’s a fact. 75% voted for him in 1992. Hillary got well over 90% last year. Actually business and wage increases boomed during Clinton’s tenure. Don’t know how you got left behind. Please explain your bias against him. I think your desk vs. production line bias is wrong, perhaps another holdover of slavery thinking in the South, one of the reasons for Republicans opposing Obama.

          • Retired

            How could things have been so great : people losing jobs and benefits left and right while Billy boy was in office. Illegals storming the country as well as drugs. How could Hillary gotten 90% when the latest figures showed close to 40% of eligible voters did not vote in the US on Nov.8 2016. Of course if you were never in manufacturing for any length of time you would not understand the difference between a desk jockey and a working person producing a product. It is no wonder the US went to hell in a basket. Obama moved Carter up the ladder of being the worst president. If Hillary would have won she would have moved Obama and Carter up the ladder.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Simply googling Bill will tell you the good he did, the support he had and that’s why Republicans worked so hard to tarnish his record with Monica. They’ve tried since Nixon to impeach a Democrat to get even, couldn’t do it with Bill, nothing there for Obama, despite much whining, wailing and teeth gnashing and pursuit of dirt for decades.
            You should also study voting more closely with your 40% nonsense.
            I was a timekeeper in manufacturing for several years, know all about it with Teamsters Union involved too.
            What field were you in to see such harm to workers? You failed to say in several posts against Clinton.
            You’ll find Obama high on the presidents list for his advancement of individual rights and healthcare for millions. How many did Bush2 advance? What about Reagan, the poster child for Rs success?

          • Retired

            Bill was a pussy hound all his live and it did not change after Hillary plus she was no angel in Chicago or university.

          • Retired

            Ac Delco -GM – Copper= Industrial drives – Tractors – Falk – Allis Chalmers- Harley – Milking equipment just to name a few. You stop watch people were really loved. Only reason Obama is considered high is his skin .He would not have won the second time if judges would not have stopped Voter ID laws in key states. A big reason Clinton lost because voter ID laws were in place.

          • DrBillLemoine

            No, you are confusing time study people with my timekeepers. We kept your records for payroll.
            Voter IDs are illegal as used to suppress voting–proved in court. In NC the judge called it ‘surgical precision’ in such anti-democracy moves by the right.
            Obama helped 20 million people get initial healthcare coverage, saved many lives. That’s big. Equal rights for so many more millions of citizens is also big. Keeping Americans from more battlefield killing than Bush2 is also big. None of that threatens anybody but in their mind. Historians will have their valid sayso.
            You still haven’t pinpointed any reason for your angst about job losses under Clinton. All companies change somewhat.

          • Retired

            Those that took a dive under Clinton either closed or never fully recovered. the ones that closed turned into rubble and many sites were cleaned with Federal and State Tax Dollars. You are deffinetly a Democrats supporting non citizen voting rights. Why do you think so many are on the roads driving without a license from their state , they are either Illegals or Wanted by law enforcement and you want them to vote.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Do you think about your posts? You’ve clearly not understood the company that Mitt Romney headed, buying companies, running up their debt to fill their pockets, then closing under bankruptcy costing many jobs. You aren’t thinking either about Trump closing a casino, at least, and costing more thousands of jobs in Atlantic City. Then there’s the Trump U. bilking students of money for degrees that led to NO jobs.
            And I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about with federal cleaning on closing. Just take a drive through Pittsburgh or any medium size city to see what’s shuttered and left–not Clinton’s doing.
            About voting, are you familiar with various states and their registration laws? Each state is responsible for regulations, including identifying citizens, and purging rolls from the dead. Any non-citizens voting have been passed through by local and state officials, some following detailed rules, some not to identify voter applicants. Your beef is with registrars of voters locally and state elections officials, not federal officials. I want only citizens to vote, just like you prefer.
            What I object to is RNC registration committees soliciting voter applications in FL (maybe other places) and discarding the Democrats and Independents. That’s real. Dems don’t do that. They also don’t suppress voters with NC-like laws.
            You are definitely a hack for Republicans.

          • Retired

            Trough family ,I knew someone working a casino in Atlantic city and things were going down hill in the 90s already . So tell us somethin g new. These major manufactures were not bought out , China threw their stuff on the market for pennys on the dollar. Not a party member , the Democrats helped destroy jobs in the US through regulations and taxes . It is sad you can’t see that . The Tax loopholes for filing Bankrupt was created by both parties.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I can’t decipher your ultra-brief sentence/explanations.

          • Retired

            What is so hard to understand?? If you do not want to see what was going on in the 90s , you wont.

          • DrBillLemoine

            The only thing that matters now, decades later, in the new millennium is I prospered with Clinton. Is that what base Trumpites want now?

          • Retired

            Yes , you describe yourself well , with the I did well and the hell with others. Typical democrat. We don’t know yet what will happen under Trump except for what all the liberal medial writes without facts, just trash talk ..

          • DrBillLemoine

            You make it sound like Clinton policies and actions were all designed just for me. lol Actually it’s you righties who are selfish and self-centered. Don’t project that on Dems or me. You are right about not knowing what Trump policies might be. We have only campaign rhetoric–take that for what it is–and his appointees/nominees in the transition and some tweets. That’s it. No telling what his radicals will advance in their cabinet positions to screw the American people–including you righties. No telling what he will do when the decision making comes fast and furious in office. He’s got a motley crew to handle everything, and then there’s the pony express or courier service to transmit orders. Too slow in a fast, small, connected world.

          • Retired

            You have been reading to many news rags, Until he is in office and some action is taken it is all guess work by the media. Trump plays the media like a fiddle with the tweets.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Check the reliability and validity of your sources. We already know Trump thinks nothing of lawbreaking–University and Foundation. He ignores the Logan Act about nepotism with his family members in office–Jared for now. All that is clearer evidence of corruption in office than even RMNixon showed in 1968 when I predicted he would be a crook in office. We also see who he has nominated, folks who won’t drain the swamp DTS but add alligators to the moats in DC and Wall St. I wasn’t wrong guessing then; I don’t think I’m wrong now. BTW I see the full range of media for input to make my predictions.

          • Retired

            What about the Clinton foundation laundry machine , how much of their money goes to people in the US other than wages. But you do not want to talk about that. Reid and China land deal. Biden ty to Ukraine and Kerrys investments in oil . You don’t want to see the US cleaned up of all the free loaders. You are Anti American and support the crap Obama put in place.

          • Retired

            Why don’t you google the Bilderberg group , it names all the countries and its members. But you Demorats don’t want to hear that . Then look up the individuals as to what they are tied to. Didn’t find Trumps name there though.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Are you trying to convince me that you attend meetings of this secretive group? That’s not possible without a big name: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/3-things-we-know-about-the-secretive-bilderberg-group-and-1-thing-well-never-know-10307054.html
            What you say about it isn’t confirmed in this link. But it figures that pretender conservative you want people to think it supports your positions.

          • Retired

            Don’t try to BS me, you did not even bother to look up who are all involved and attend the meeting.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Talk about BS. Did you follow the link which describes how this secretive group doesn’t list members and keeps out media and onlookers. You are a dreamer.

          • Retired

            Funny I am not a computer geek and was able to find out , you must be slipping in your old age. The media is kept away and the place is well guarded. But who enters the gates is closely watched.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I googled them too and found no lists of participants or organizations or companies. Please share your link with the world. BTW it’s not a fixed location but rotates meeting places from what I found.

    • NM Leon

      The delusional world wonders, the thoughtful world has already seen the smoking gun via Wikileaks.

  • Not_Easily_Impressed

    Once again, Trump stands up for common sense and underscores his earlier statements with a STRONG assertion that “absolutely” no credence should be given to the attacks by the biased media concerning so-called hacking. Tech savvy people have parsed the announcements of hacking to reveal the talking heads don’t know up from down. The language is being polluted by the main stream media.

  • Jimmie Cooper Boswell

    the truth about and what was in the emails is what hurt, clinton and the dnc sloppy server scandals. not to include, the irs, the aca and other scandals requiring the liberal media to cover for obama, clinton, and the dnc.
    and had homeland security, been monitoring clinton’s and dnc emails instead of every american citizens emails. they might have caught this, before it became a national security problem.
    if i were the chairman of homeland security and others, this would be personally embarrassing. to find the whole world, reading clinton’s and dnc emails they were not even bothering to monitor.

    • goldie

      Truths that the American people had a right to know, and since the corrupt media did not do their job, someone else had to step in and maintain the oversight for the American people. obama only got it because the people were still unaware of the lying media at that time.

      • Jimmie Cooper Boswell

        yes their alleged transparency, is revealed to be extremely opaque. exposing the way they, really are behind their covert scenes.
        but i do not think, that all of us were fooled by their acting alternate faces to the public.
        and as for the media, i quit using them as a source of true facts and information a long time ago. since their distortional bias, is way too obvious.

  • Askjrsk

    We know that Russian hacking did not affect our votes. HILLARY had not a snow ball chance in hell of winning. Only FALSE NARRATIVES and FAKE NEWS fed folks that propaganda. Obama CLINTON losers!

    • Retired

      Why would anyone in their right mind want the Clintons or Obamas back in the WH. Haven’t they done enough damage to the US Citizens and Taxpayers.

      • NM Leon

        The Dem’s minds are so open their brains fell out.

  • Pete

    Entry into the private and public computing systems of the United States was almost certainly aided by two significant things over the past decade. The unsecured servers used by Secretary of State from 2007 thru 2010 & the defection of an NSA civilian contractor (Edward Snowden) to Russia in 2013.

    Edward Snowden took volumes of classified information including methods and sources of information gathering and gave it to first the Chinese and then to the Russian. How many of our clandestine sources were executed because of those disclosures is any ones guess, but the fact that some died because of Snowden’s defection is an absolute certainty.

    Back in the1960’s & 1970’s when I was involved in our counter intelligence efforts, the KGB was highly effective at exploiting security breaches. Russian, under the leadership of president Putin, (a former KGB official) has no doubt strengthened that nations ability to glean information.

    That Secretary of State Clinton’s unsecured servers were broken into is an
    absolute certainty. Any reasonably competent intelligence agent could have
    gained access to those unsecured servers in a matter of a few hours.

    The entire content (private & governmental) of those servers was recorded
    by at least China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Syria & yes some of our
    allies (to see if we were betraying their trust).

    Most, if not all, of those nations still have that data some 4 years later.

    In the intelligence business you listen to your friends as well as your enemies. Your enemies to see what they are up to and your friends to see if they’re still your friend.

    • KT

      No doubt on that statement! Keeping your enemies next to you and your friends close by……. corruption has been exposed & more is coming! This is called tearing down & destroying all the crap or draining the swamp, so we can rebuild and be restored as a Nation to lead the way again! Then we have the News Media, who
      portrays Trump as the bad guy & Obama is the good guy!!! This is the other kicker, they talk as though, Trump has been in politics for years! The Media dictates to the American people, what they want us to hear, by telling us the way the situations are happening or going to happen by power of suggestion! This is America’s problem… believing everything that is being reported or said….this is my soap box!

    • bobnstuff

      Who ever said Clinton’s server was unsecured, it had better security then the governments, the FBI had to go to the guys that set it up for help getting into it. There has been no evidence of anyone hacking it, The most people have said is that it might have been hacked but they done no for sure. They say this because they believe that any system can be hacked.

      • Pete

        Any system without multi levels of cyber security protection can and is hacked by those who have the capability to do so.
        The director of the FBI stated in his report last summer that they assessed (believed with a 90+% certainty) that the the emails of the people with whom the Secretary of State Clinton corresponded were compromised thru contact with her servers (there were over a dozen of them used over the four year period). You just can’t get much more certain than that.
        Wake up and smell the roses, Hillary lost & the FBI has not closed down it’s probe of the Clinton Foundation.

        • bobnstuff

          Lets get back to the point, the Russians by using non public information gain by breaking the law helped Trump get elected. They will because of this action get to go through with a $500 billion deal. Trump is trying to down play this but he really can’t run away from it. What Clinton did our didn’t do does not change the fact that Putin had a hand in electing Trump. Trump has already started to pay him back by his selection for Sec. of State. Putin will make billions on the deal as well as the stock holders of EXXON MOBILE. The only question is how much of a kickback will Trump get.

          • Pete

            Putin has made no secret of his low opinion of Obama, but has admitted that the voids in world leadership created by Obama have permitted Russia to greatly expand influence in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
            Since Hillary was Secretary of State for the first four years of the Obama administration the implementation of those specific policy decisions that created the voids were done on her watch.
            Any reasonable assessment of her intent if elected would be to almost certainly continue those policies that gave Putin the open door in the first place.
            Putin is no dummy, his global desires would have fared much better under a Clinton administration and he knows it.

          • bobnstuff

            $500 billion lost if Clinton is elected. That’s a pretty good reason to do what ever he could to be sure she lost wouldn’t you say.

          • Shelly Shannon

            Hey man, I think that is not fesible nor will it happen, but why would something like that suprise you? This is what Hillary and Bill clinton have done for the past 40 years. Why do you think she is thinking about running for Mayor of New York. Their foundation is drying up and she needs to start making connections again. Trump on the other hand has given up his charity, his business, and his son has given up his chariry for St. Jude.And what in the hell does Trumps sec of state have to do now with exon mobile? His sec of state will no longer have ties to that business which means he wont have ties to cinnections with it.

          • bobnstuff

            I guess the fact that Tillerson runs Exxon MOBILE and has a load of their stock might make a difference. It’s the $500 billion dollar deal between Russia and EXXON MOBILE that Obama is holding up.

            Tillerson has separately reached a $180 million retirement agreement with ExxonMobil involving additional stock that would be placed in trust.”

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-secretary-of-state-nominee-reveals-personal-wealth-of-up-to-400-million/2017/01/05/543147b6-d375-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html?utm_term=.e2e155d6864b

          • bobnstuff

            I’m still waiting to see how he deals with is businesses. Our Sec. of State will still hold a few hundred million in EXXON MOBILE stock, in a trust but he will still own it.

          • NM Leon

            Nope, will be required to totally divest of all stock and put his holdings in a federal blind trust.

          • Pete

            Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, ISIS. Syria, have 100% of the information that passed thru any of Hillary’s unsecured servers. Also some friendly nations who wouldn’t communicate with Clinton directly obviously knew that they had been compromised.

          • NM Leon

            The pills on Hildabeast’s “honesty and trustworthiness” didn’t change with the release of that (true) non-public info, so it’s doubtful it had much effect.

      • Debra Corrales

        The emails of the individual providing the security(which were hacked) said that active hacking was taking place. I guess if “the guys that set it up” knew it was being hacked, it very probably was.

      • Shelly Shannon

        They did come out with a report that said it was hacked at one point. They figured it out after they were able to get into it. I don’t believe i ever heard anything more about it tho after that.

        • bobnstuff

          The report I read said that it had been attacked a number of times but it didn’t look like they had gotten in but it was very hard to tell. Since we have only seen the emails that were leaked by congress I didn’t think they got through or we would have seen the evidince all over the news. I’m trusting my memory on this one though.

          • Shelly Shannon

            Yeah, i just didn’t really focus in on that story because there was so much going on at that time. It was like information overload.

          • Pete

            The FBI director in his July briefing stated; We assessed (90+% confidence that it occurred) that the emails of parties that communicated with Secretary Clintons unsecured servers (she used more than a dozen over the two year period) were likely compromised. That is about as certain as it gets that the unsecured servers were an open book for anyone who wanted to look. Why else would some of our allies refused to officially communicate with Clinton directly but instead used other secure government channels for their communication.

          • NM Leon

            Go on the Dark Web and do a search. There are a lot of screen shots of her emails from Romania.

      • goldie

        Trey Gowdy, a member of the House Oversight Committee for one. Many others.

      • NM Leon

        Comey said it in his testimony to Congress. He said they couldn’t tell if or who had accessed it because she had ZERO security on it.

        Think of it this way. If you had documents in a lock box inside your locked car and found your door busted in and your lock box cracked, you would safely assume that your documents had been compromised. If you found scratches on your car door and on your lock box, you could safely assume that an attempt had been made and that your documents might have been compromised.

        Hildabeast’s server was the cyber equivalent of leaving the documents spread out on the seat of a convertible with the top down. You have no indications whatsoever that the documents have been compromised, but you can safely assume that anybody who wanted to compromise them did so.

        Everybody, friend and foe, would automatically want any information they could get from the Sec State’s lock box (or open convertible).

    • NM Leon

      The only correction I would make to your post is that where ever Hildabeast landed, that country had access to her server the second she turned her BlackBerry on. She had ZERO security…none…zip…nada. Any sysop watching in real time had instant access.

  • Shelly Shannon

    I put the fault of Russia’s leaking of emails on Obama. No matter what Russia did or didn’t do Obama knew this was going on years ago, and he did nothing to stop Russia’s behavior. China’s hacking was excused by our so-called intelligence. Their excuse…China was using espionage and everybody does it so there has been no repercussions for them. BULLSHIT!
    Obama is not only vindictive, he is totally political in this circumstance. I still want to know why there was no investigation into the DNC concerning the allegations that the emails were handed over by disgruntled Dems from the Clinton Campaign. Intelligence says they cant give up their sourses, they don’t have to. You cannot tell me that there isn’t something conclusive they can release to the American People that is non political proof that Russia was behind this whole thing. And how did Hillary Clinton know the reason why Russia got involved anyway? She came out almost two weeks ago and what she said was almost identical to what intelligence told us about what the report said. How did she know that 2 weeks ago? Probably because it was leaked to her and she leaked it to her biased media, and thats why the media had it before Trump even had his briefing.

    • Askjrsk

      Obama inept unpresidential

    • Retired

      Obamas like the Clintons are a discrase to the US and its citizens. I pity the fools of NY City if they elect Hillary as Mayor.

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      • mrp15

        What a shame and what hypocricy that Eric Trump had to shutter his foundation whereby 100% was donated to St. Jude Children’s Hospital, while the Clinton Foundation which donated only 6% to charity was allowed to remain open during her term as SOS and she vowed once elected to POTUS it would still remain open under the management of crooked Chelsea who paid for her wedding and decade-long living expenses and taxes with foundation funds.

        • Retired

          Bill and Hillary have been above the law ever since they got together and into politics going way back.

    • I Seigel

      How do we know – really KNOW – that Trump isn’t a Russian spy? There are many signs that indicate he might be.

      • Retired

        Do you still have wet dreams , that is so stupid a comment.

        • I Seigel

          What’s so stupid is your “wet dreams” comment.

          • Retired

            Are you AKs spokes person ??

          • I Seigel

            Who or what is AK? And why does he, she or it need a spokesperson?

          • Retired

            You are speaking up for her.

      • Shelly Shannon

        What signs?

      • Rodney Steward

        Lot rather take my chances with Trump than a murderous Tramp any day!! Sorry about your dreaming problem!!

      • NM Leon

        How do we know-really KNOW-THAT Obozo hasn’t been a Russian and Iranian spy? There are many signs that indicate he might be.

        • mrp15

          He is the Manchurian president, groomed and brain washed to wreak havoc upon our country and nobody ever stopped him. He is nothing more than a figure head and puppet whose strings are pulled by Valerie (no scandal in Obama administration) and evil George Soros. Incredible that he has gotten away with it.

          • NM Leon

            I was driving today and heard some idiot claim there had been no scandal in this administration. I was lucky I didn’t wind up in the ditch I laughed so hard.

        • I Seigel

          Does anyone care anymore what Obama is? He’s done!

      • dmttbt

        I have a better even more sensible question, how do we know that obama is not a Russian spy? Did you see that within the past few months the Chinese or some other foreign country discovered an underwater drone of the united states and offered it back to the united states but we didn’t take it because they had already gained all the information before they offered it back. *** would you not consider that as us spying on another country??? We do it and they do it so grow up and put your big boy panties on and move on.

        • I Seigel

          What difference does it make anymore what Obama is? He’s almost outta here.

          • dmttbt

            He is not gone and when he leaves he will not be gone, he has done everything in his powers to bring down this country so it will be easier to take over. He has appointed judges and people of high power in the military, many of whom are Muslims. Regulations that choke business in this country will remain as he has put it. If there were a way to just snap your fingers and all he has done would be undone, I would be snapping away but it doesn’t work that easily.*** Now we will deal with the democrats blaming Trump for things such as the increase in income tax that was put in before he was elected. Obama had Bush to blame and now they will blame Trump. I pray that with the addition of social media, the politicians will have to live a more honest life or be exposed.

          • I Seigel

            Yeah, America is a real hellhole right now, isn’t it. Just the worst it’s ever been. And yet…
            Less soldiers are dying overseas
            Less people unemployed
            More people have health insurance
            Stock markets are near all- time highs
            Major crime in the country is down

            So I guess if you listen to Fox, all you hear is how terrible everything is. For those who listen to facts, it’s not all that bad. Yeah, the threat of climate change is very worrying. So are Russia, North Korea and China. We’ll see how well Trump does to contain them.

    • Rodney Steward

      This is what happens when you lower the standards of the White house all the way down to all the school systems!! But this was Obama’s goal, to bring down America, and Hellary to sell it off!!

  • bobnstuff

    Trump believes that all that mud created by the hack didn’t help him? I wonder if he also believes in the tooth fairy. It would have only taken about 1% shift in votes to have flipped the election and then only in about six states. I’m sure Trump will pay back his friend Putin for the favor.

    • Stephen Howe

      The only MUD created was by that lying, sick, old witch, Podesta, and the crooked DNC. Wikileaks, unlike our marxist MSM, provided THE TRUTH to American voters. NOT ONCE did the Dems claim the leaks were false. Frankly I don’t care where Julian got his info…the truth is the truth. And yes, THE TRUTH has been known to influence voters!

      • bobnstuff

        What do you think Putin would do to get a $500 billion deal unblocked? That’s the payment for getting Trump in office. The hacks did just what Putin wanted, it bought him a US President. You don’t care about TRUTH because if you did you couldn’t have supported Trump. The truth about Trump is he’s a liar and a thief. All the facts are there in plain sight but you choose to over look them.

        • Ken says

          How funny!! You call Trump a liar. Hillary has a 50 year record of lies and criminal activity. OMG Bob Hillary has a Pinocchio Nose longer than BoBo’s – I will admit that is only because she has had more decades to grow it. The only real government job she had prior to Senate and Sec of State was as a Congressional Aid and she was terminated (FIRED) from that job for falsifying reports that didn’t have the results she wanted to see. The “Hag in a Bag” is the leader of the
          HILL-BILLY Team

          • bobnstuff

            We have court records to support Trumps wrong doings, how he cheated his investors, how he violated the law. Where are Clinton’s court recorders, how many people have sued Clinton for not paying her bills. How many times has Clinton gone bankrupt because of bad business decisions. Now Trump is in for the big pay off. How nice for him. Your are such suckers following the great snake oil salesman. What percentage of that $500 billion dollars do you think Trump will get? Will Putin be nice to his lap dog?

          • Pete

            A list compiled by a medical doctor in 2013 listing the “unusual deaths” of 47 Clinton insiders by the time Bill left the oval office 16 years ago.
            It is available and indicates how court records may have been avoided.

          • bobnstuff

            Funny that there are all this so called lists and all those republicans investigating them but no court records, no trials, no arrests. I guess the Clintons must be the smartest pair in the country to out smart all those republicans.

          • Retired

            You forget 90% of our lawyers are Demonrats. the Clintons own them as well as the party. The Clintons bring a lot of money to the Demon party. Slick Willi still has the believing his BS .

          • bobnstuff

            So you are saying that all republican lawyers are stupid?

          • Retired

            I have only run into a handful of Republican lawyers , the bulk is Democratic.

          • bobnstuff

            You sure don’t live in my neighborhood or state for that matter. We have had some very smart republican lawyers around here. The man I always hope would run for president was Dick Thornburgh. Tom Ridge is a good man too. I guess they are to smart to run for president.

          • Retired

            The ones that can not make it in private practice become involved in politics for the gravy train.

          • bobnstuff

            I don’t know about that, the best criminal lawyer in my country was very involve in the party, he’s now a judge. This was the guy you wanted in your corner. He kept the family down the street out of jail for years, now that he’s a judge they are in jail. The lawyer I used to set up my first corporation was also a republican, in fact I don’t think I have ever used a democrat as a lawyer.

          • Askjrsk

            Pointing fingers covers up the truth. Old Hitler ALINSKY trick.

          • bobnstuff

            Trump has never had problems with bending the truth to his needs. He has been caught a number of times stating thing that prove to be false. When using numbers he is mostly wrong if you check. As far as Hillary and ALINSKY weren’t those in her republican day, when she was part of the republican party?

          • Ken says

            Are you offended by truth? Hitler and Alinsky didn’t like it either.

        • Stephen Howe

          At least Trump never lied about his birth, his SSN, his race. My god. BO can’t even admit he’s biracial. Libtards accused Trump of every offense under the sun…with zero evidence.

          • bobnstuff

            So you are saying Trump lied when he said he excepts Obama’s birth records. As far a evidence of Trumps offense go look at the court records, look at his divorcees, it’s all there except for all the ones he had sealed. He never did show his taxes did he, what is he hiding I wonder. I can except the fact that he’s a pig with women, who really cares. What I can’t except is the number of trusting business people he stiffed. In many cases he would have done less damage had he just shot them.

          • Stephen Howe

            I think you meant to say Trump “accepts” BO’s fake, photoshopped birth certificate. Trump realized that beating that particular dead horse was wasted effort. BTW, Hillary started that rumor when she was running against BO.

    • Timekeeper2

      The intelligence community days that it didn’t affect the election outcome…hacking the DNC…Hillary’s covert server that she shouldn’t have had. …good spin fodder for the left. ..and stupid

      There are ways to protect against that. …but it figures they don’t use it

      Besides…look at the obamacare websiteb that the left spent over a BILLION dollars on…to one of moochels friends by the way. ..

      Move on snowflake. …help Make AMERICA Great Again….

      • bobnstuff

        Name one Secretary of State before Clinton that used the governments server, you know the one that was hacked. Bush and Chaney used the RNC’s server. It’s only a big deal because Clinton did it. You give Obama a lot of credit for the ACA. Congress put the law together and set up the web sight for failure. The republican made some demands and got them even though they still didn’t vote for the bill. In case you slept through ninth grade civics the congress passes the laws not the White House. The law Obama asked for and the one he got were very different. 43 changes were made to try and get the republicans on board. Congress ware asking for changes in the web sight up till shortly before it went live. It was very carefully set up to fail.

        • Ken says

          No Bob – the big deal is that Huma (the Arab) and Hillary’s Mexican Maid and everybody in between including Whining Tony Wiener the Weiner Flasher had access to the Server and Classified Documents. FBI found Classified Documents in Huma’s car!! What was that bitch doing with Classified Documents in her car? Hillary shared a lot more than her bed – wake up.

          • bobnstuff

            More BS that you have been feed, Nothing new was found on Wieners computer, there is no proof that any classified documents were ever leaked. You love all the mud but if you bothered to check you might be surprised at the facts. Do you think the republicans would have let Clinton walk the streets if there was one shred of evidence that would put her in jail? Are you that easy to fool? The Republicans have spent millions of our dollars trying to get the Clinton’s and what have they come up with. Just so you know the State Department doesn’t put the good stuff over the internet. They still use paper for those things. Some of those so call classified documents were article that had been published, and emails from non government sources. As I say do you truly believe that the republicans would not nail her is they could?

          • Ken says

            BS?? What the hell is State Department documents and all of Hillary’s “personal” emails doing on Whining Weiner flashing Wiener’s computer? Hillary is ranting about being hacked but when you use a sloppy server (like the DNC) any kid with in a high school computer class could access it. If you don’t put personal information and illegal/criminal mail on the internet – who cares? The internet is like the newspaper – use your head when it goes in print.

          • Ken says

            The Clinton Crime Family will see ongoing investigations but there is a bigger problem than jail – many “DONORS” want a refund for the “services” they bought and will never receive. They will be”walking the streets” with body armor if they are smart.

        • Pete

          The ACA (obamacare) got zero, none, nada. not one Republican vote. It IS the brainchild of the Democrat party & starting in 2010, it cost the democrat party over 1000 legislative seats across the country. Get your head out of the place where the sun does not shine.

          • bobnstuff

            The republicans never voted for anything Obama supported, even there own bills if he came out in favor of them.

        • Jimmie Cooper Boswell

          name one secretary of state, who owned and operated a private personal email server? hillary’s emails were not kept on any dnc or government or rnc server. when in fact hillary’s and dnc emails, would have been safer on the rnc server.
          and as for the aca in your bait and switch tactics, it was the obama administration that put the law proposal together. congress did not even know what in the hell was all in it. or did you forget the infamous “you need to pass it, to find out what is in it”? and the author of the aca, said your all stupid for passing or being for it. a fact, well proven since then. and it is obvious that even 43 changes, were not enough to make it viable.
          and congress only allotted money, for the administration to set up the aca websites. the congress is not responsible, for the administrations dead on arrival aca website incompetence.
          i am neither republican, or democrat, nor do i need to be republican or democrat to see gaping vast holes in your obviously prejudiced all conjecture.

          • bobnstuff

            Congress spent nine months putting together the ACA, do you think anything in it wasn’t gone over a number of times and debated and voted on piece by piece? My guess is you don’t even know that it takes two votes to pass any bill, one that sends the bill to the printers and one to pass the final copy a few days later. Before any bill becomes law everyone has had a hard copy of the bill and gets a chance to read it. Remember just because they say it on Fox doesn’t make it true.

            You might find it interesting to know that the governments computer system is pretty much junk, total out of date and about as secure as an open door. The Navy had to pay Microsoft to support Windows XP after they had dropped it because it is the primary system for our Sub fleet. In order to print an email off the government server people have to move it to a different sever. We still have floppy disks in use by the government. Powell use AOL for his emails.

          • Jimmie Cooper Boswell

            we know who the main authors of aca are one being gruber. written by administrative advisors and submitted to congress by obama. hence the name, obamacare.
            we also know that the 11,000 page document has grown to about 20,000 pages. mostly by illegal, executive orders. if it were a book, it would originally be 3feet thick, now over 6feet. now who in the hell could read and understand that, in a year?
            cost of one hard copy of the latest version, $12,000 each approximately.
            and i do not know, why you assume i get my information from fox news.
            and government servers, are unix operating system not microsoft xp, or microsoft anything. and are constantly being upgraded, i know i had been involved in this.
            and so i seriously doubts that the redundant mainframe on subs run on microsoft xp. when xp, is not suited for mid or main frame operations. in fact microsoft net serve for servers would be a pathetic minimum. the government system, is not determined by what os your desktops or laptops used. and all sensitive military communications, are sent via manchester encoded data secure lines or radio using 53bit minimum encryption.
            and even i knew better, than to use aol or any other public server for sensitive government information. and i still do not, transmit sensitive or top secret or above information over the internet. even though i, have been retired since the year 2000.
            i am still held accountable, under the espionage act until the day i die. nor am i, about to compromise the security of this nation.

        • Timekeeper2

          is a big deal because she had a pay to play scheme setup on an unsecured Personal server containing information, documents and programs ABOVE top secret…and 85 donors to the foundation ended up with state dept. jobs. ..favors. ..and more… wait til if all shakes out…it isn’t over yet. ..but we know you leftwing types will defend her no matter what shes does…
          She’s corrupt to the core and her scandal after scandal thru her many years shows it. …

          Now Snowflake….just sit back while we make America Great Again…in spite of the leftwing loons.

          • bobnstuff

            You keep saying Unsecured server, it was secured, it had very good anti hacking software. As far as the state department employing people known to the Clinton foundation there is no reason they wouldn’t be cross over since they are known to the Sec of State as good people. I notice no one has complained that they didn’t do their jobs. Look at the people Trump is hiring, you want to talk about pay to play. Major donors getting jobs that they have zero quantification for. We have a head of the department of education who never went to public school who’s children never went to public schools has no education in the field of education. Our department of housing is going to run by a brain surgeon. The list goes on. Tell me about pay for play in government.

          • Timekeeper2

            Are you talking about the private server that they used Bleach Bit on to massively erase everything? LQQK, IF it was secure…it would not have been hacked….the technology exists to do that barring stupid clicks and acceptance of emails or inserting infected thumb drives…that type of thing. ..do NO….it wasn’t secure..it was erased.

            Give it a rest. ..i said you would defend her no matter what and you are proving me right. ..i have no more comments to you. …you see that’s the problem we have with the left…. we can provide truth and facts.. but the left are still willing to disregard or deny it….

            #MAGA

          • bobnstuff

            Just when was this server hacked? There has never been anyone that has said her server was hacked, they said it might have been but that they have no evidence to confirm it so they can’t say one way or the other. Had Clinton worried about what was on her sever she would have used more then a free software program to clean it. I guess your knowledge of computers must be pretty limited. When I get rid of a computer there is no way anything will ever come to light and I’m no expert. You are getting your news stories mixed up, it was the DNC that got hacked plus one of her campaign managers not hers. Now if you want to talk about the State Departments computer system, it was hacked as well as most of the government servers.

          • Pete

            Me thinks thou art full of bull droppings.!!

          • Timekeeper2

            Ok..here’s what you do. ..type Hillary’s server hacked by at least 5 foreign entities confirmed by FBI…into yuppie Google search engine.. …

            That was how it was found out that she had a in authorized. ..illegal…private server with ABOVE Top Secret info in it..but you guys will defend her anyway. ..like i said

    • Retired

      Are you another Trump Basher that wants the US to sink further down the Slide ??

      • bobnstuff

        I’m just an angry republican that’s sick and tired of the fools my party runs for office. Trump is the worst of a long string of bad choices. Can’t the party find someone to run who isn’t a jack a$$. I could have live with McCain until the gave us the bimbo from the north to go with him. I work for a Bain Capital company so Romney was out. GW got me to drop out of my local republican committee. I liked Bob Dole. George Sr wasn’t to bad but you can keep Reagan, he started the fall of a once great party. I’m just sick and tired of a party that elects idiots. Isn’t there anyone in this party that isn’t either a fool or a thief who they can run for president? I’m thankful that my local party isn’t like the national party, they seem to know how to get good candidates. Once they get above the county level thing have all gone to heck. If you think Trump is going to do good things for the country you haven’t been looking at what he has done in his past. The republicans in congress are about the most worthless bunch ever to sit in the capital.

        I’m also tired of people bashing what or country is right this very minute. We have the strongest military, the strongest economy and one of the highest standards of live on earth. The only country that manufactures more the us is China and it take 6 times the work force to do it. What we don’t have is a central government that gives a hoot about it’s people anymore. it’s the best government that money can buy and have they ever been bought.

        I’m tired of people who have lost the ability to think, they only know labels, right, left, socialist, pro life, pro choice and on and on. If you label is socialist it’s bad, if is regulated it’s bad, privatizing is good etc. These are call cheap labels to keep people from having to think. Americans know more about there local sports teams then how the country work. I’m tired of the crap.

        Yes I bash Trump, he’s a self center snake oil salesman who never should have gotten near the White House. He got there on lies and fools that believed them. Heaven help the country. The problem is Clinton wasn’t much better. As I say I’m really tired of the choices I have had for president over the last four elections.

        • Retired

          After Kennedy got murdered everything went down hill , Everything you bring out falls back to our education system and Hollywood life style. We will have to wait and see what happens after Jan .20th. I don’t think his Snake oil will be as bad as putting the Clintons back into the WH.

          • bobnstuff

            I hope your right but I just keep seeing visions of Atlantic City on a national scale. I don’t blame the educational system as much as the parents to the youth of today. Back in the late seventies and early eighties we became a country of two working parents and the schools became baby sitting services. Parents stopped raising their children and the schools became the dumping ground. If you look at the work force numbers you can see it happening. I have two children and a son in law that are educators and my college background was as an ed major for a while and it’s not what they are being taught that’s the problem it’s that which the parents used to teach and don’t anymore, respect! People have lost respect for our schools our government, our families and for themselves. Schools can only do so much.

          • Retired

            Actually the two working family was created through the depression and WW2 , Women going to work in the factories for war supplies. Korean war and Nam were another part. Don’t forget about the Educators Union.

          • bobnstuff

            If you look at work force perspiration rates the post war tipping point was in the late seventies. I remember when I was a kid most moms stayed at home, in fact most of the families in our neighborhood had only one car. Boy things have changed.

          • Retired

            Where I lived there were a lot of two family workers in the 50s so they could afford that first car. A lot of auto workers spent much time in the Unemployment line in the 50s. the same thing was for factory workers. So you must be to young to know the yo yo pay check times.

          • bobnstuff

            We had a lot of US Steel and Westinghouse people and things were booming around here. I do remember the 57 steel strike. My dad worked on the neighbors farm that summer and the union gave us government cheese. That farm is now a golf course. About the only women that had jobs outside of the home back then were either nurses or teachers. By the mid sixties the Engineers from Westinghouse were taking over and soon we had PHD’s all over the place. It went from farms to McMansions. I think my mother was one of the first to take a job out side of our home back then and I can’t think of any of my friends mothers working real jobs.

    • Retired

      Clinton was the reason Trump won. Supposedly the Clintons and Bushes are appearing on the 20th , to watch Trump get sworn in .

      • bobnstuff

        The election was very close in case you didn’t notice, You can thank mistakes Clinton made for her lose, add in the little push form the media, the FBI and Putin and Trump gets the White House. Issues are not what this election was about, not the economy or any of the important things. It was about mud and who could make it stick.

        • Retired

          You seem to forget all the people pushing Against Russia are the media and Democrats appointed by Obama. It is a good thing Putin did not fall for it. They just unloaded ships with tanks and other Military things in Bremen Germany that is going into Poland with other NATO groups . So who is the aggressor ??

          • bobnstuff

            The joint maneuvers of NATO troops has been planed for a while and Russia has been doing the same thing just across the border. Even Trump seems to have excepted the fact that Russia did the hack and now is just saying that it did change anyone’s vote. Putin is trying to get the Russian people to stop thinking about the bad economy. When the Oil Prices tanked so did the Russian economy. Putin can’t fix it so he must put on a show to distract the people.

          • Retired

            Get the real facts about Russia and the oil. Ukraine and other EU counties did not pay for the oil and gas shipped by them. Why did Russia go along with OPEC and cut production of oil ?? Why did the US sell it’s oil on the open marked, since jan.1 of 2016 after the first ships with US crude oil went to present 54 dollars a barrel. All for the market Boys. The Ruble is still not accepted.

          • bobnstuff

            As I say they have a problem, any economy based on a single product or industry is unstable by nature. As long as OPEC can control oil prices Russia is in trouble.

          • Retired

            Yes that part is true , the joint maneuvers was delayed until the budget was passed. Maybe it was a good thing otherwise we might be at war and Obama would stay in office.

          • bobnstuff

            I think I would rather have a president that doesn’t want war then one who thinks of it as just another option.

          • Retired

            I don’t think Trump will try to get us into war, he is more into negotiation than has been the US history. No one made a big issue out of Putin and the guy from England that GW Bush got along with. Can’t remember his name right now.

        • Retired

          How many more Electorial votes did Trump have over Clinton ??

          • bobnstuff

            How many more votes total did Clinton get then Trump, just under three million more votes last I heard. I know you are going to say California votes don’t count.

          • Retired

            Popular vote does not count under our system.

          • bobnstuff

            No you are right the idea of one man one vote doesn’t count with the president. This year it was the states with the most cows that picked the president.

          • Retired

            Actually Ca. has the most cows now a days , Small Dairy farms are being driven out by the corporate farms as well as Government rules and regulations.

          • bobnstuff

            California is still only number 4 Texas still is number one in cows but dairy is another story. All but two of the states with the most cows voted for Trump.

          • Retired

            Were I come from Cows are considered milk producers and cattle are for meat.

          • bobnstuff

            We just call them cows except for when they are walking through our garden then they are those damn cows. In fact they were steers. They did taste good. The last cows on our road were about eight years ago. Now we have alpacas and horse on our road instead.

  • David Stewart

    What a farce! James Crapper admitting to American public that any foreign power can cherrypick data at will! WHY? Need to investigate this!

    • Askjrsk

      Crapper so appropriate name. Wasn’t he caught lying to congress?

    • NM Leon

      I had to laugh when he said Assange had no credibility. Assange is a piece of schitte that has caused the deaths of our assets, but no one has ever found any of his info to be false. He’s a publisher of info, not the source.

      Crapper on the other hand perjured himself openly in front of Congress.

  • Richard Bagenstose

    untill you get rid of all the oboma trolls i wouldn’t believe a thing they told me , just like oboma they are trying to set him up for failure , and after 8 years of lying and covering up obomas treasonist acts , you would have to be a moron to believe them , if they can get rid of trump and some how get hillary , they will get to keep their jobs ,if not they go to the unemployment line , a good reason to try and screw trump

    • Vernon Geberth

      I agree. Obama has politicized the intelligence community, the defense department and every agency of the government including the IRS.
      Obama has done more damage to this country than any foreign enemy could hope to accomplish

      • Askjrsk

        DOJ CIA FBI IRS OBAMA tainted.

      • Rodney Steward

        And every part of it is laced with muslims!

      • goldie

        If you watch ” hillary’s America”, it shows that this was her idea years ago – she told saul alinsky that they should infiltrate the government to attain their goal.

    • Askjrsk

      Absolutely

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