Trump camp quietly courts Muslims

by Jonathan Easley  |  published on May 23, 2016

Donald Trump’s top foreign policy adviser has quietly opened backchannels within Muslim and Middle Eastern communities in the U.S. in an attempt to win over a small but increasingly important voting bloc.

Walid Phares, a top national security adviser for Trump, has been courting prominent Muslim Republicans and conservative Middle Eastern activists in the U.S.

Some Muslim Republicans and conservative Middle Eastern activists have also engaged with other top campaign officials about furthering Trump’s outreach to those communities.

In a Friday phone interview with The Hill, Phares said Trump campaign officials had not directed him to engage with the groups. Rather, he described the talks as a natural extension of the relationships he’s built over decades of policy work on Middle Eastern affairs.

  • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

    Soundsl like Democrap planted propaganda.

  • Merlinever

    Signs that Trump has already shown that he is in support of Islam and the Muslims:
    1.) He openly blamed Pamela Geller for the Islamic jihad terrorist attack on her Draw Muhammad Cartoon Contest in Garland, TX when all she was doing was practicing her First Amendment rights to freedom of speech. It is suspected that he threw Geller under the bus in favor of the Muslims because he has very profitable holding in Dubai (the United Arab Emirates is 96% Muslim).
    2.) When asked by a reporter if he supported Carson’s statement when Carson said he couldn’t support a Muslim president, Trump’s reply was the same as when he was asked if he would protect our Constitution from being replaced by Sharia (Islamic law): “I’m not going to get into that!”.
    3.) Trump’s call for a temporary ban on Muslims coming into our country. Temporarily banning Muslims from coming into our country is of no more use than temporarily blocking the growth and spread of cancer cells in a person with cancer. Trump’s temporary ban makes it look like he taking action when all he’s doing is encouraging the American public to go back to sleep and not to worry about Islam; this also give the Muslims more time to perfect and strengthen their plans for invading our country. And Trump recently made the claim that his temporary ban on Muslim immigration into the U.S. was “Only a suggestion”.
    If any of you reading this need any more reasons not to support Trump, go to youtube and watch the short video there entitled, Trump/Firewall with Bill Whittle. Also please go to http://www.bulletsfirst.net and read the article there entitled, The Trouble With Trump.

  • gavinwca

    And the problem is.

  • Brennan Kingsland

    This is BAD! Doesn’t Trump understand that these anti-Americans cannot be trusted? We need to eliminate Islam from the USA….not “engage with these people” who are loyal ONLY to Islam!

  • exoticdoc2

    WHY?! You don’t make nice with the enemy. As long as islam is their screed all muslims remain potential terrorists as the tenets of that false religion promote murder and violence. All that is required for any given muslim to murder is the decision to be a devout muslim.

  • SDofAZ

    Not too surprising. A lot of the already here muslims do not like the unvetted newcomers either. They know who they are, where the come from and what their intent is. Fact is, a lot of them would never let these new style muslims in the country and have said this publically.

  • Rodney Steward

    As the saying goes, use them then loose them!

    • Ramon1710 .

      Slightly nicer than Muhammed’s Treaty of Hudaibiya. Muslims today understand Hudaibiya to be a code-word which means “Kiss the hand of your enemy until you have the opportunity to cut it off.”

  • Chuck

    This is most disappointing. He is touting himself as a strong leader, but bending to the most dangerous group since the Nazis is foolhardy. Take a strong position against Muslime importation and stick with it. The American people are for this exclusion. Who needs the Muslimes anyway. All potential terrorists and do not accept our Constitution. Only sharia.

  • Hmm…

  • CharlieSeattle

    WTF? …Trump Campaign Tries to Quietly Woo Muslims?

    …WHY? so as to quietly SNUB your supporters that want ALL OF THOSE FUKERS DEPORTED?

    Defending your person, your family, your country from attack and invasion from those forcing a violent, terrorist, genocidal ideology on western civilization …is …not … islamophobia …or racist. …….It is just common sense.

    islam is NOT a race!
    islam is NOT a religion of peace either!

    islam is a sick and twisted terrorist ideology that is completely incompatible with western civilization!

    Deport all muslims from the west at once!
    Ban all muslims from traveling to the west, ….FOREVER!

    The people of the USA, Britain, Canada and Europe must throw down their treasonous leaders forcing this evil upon them.

  • Stormy

    Does Mr. Trump really have any choice in this matter ? Most of our government is muslims now . Just look it up.

    • CharlieSeattle

      Most of Congress is complicit in enabling Obama’s treasonous agenda too!

  • Athanasios1

    Trump should consider Interment camps for Muslims as the Great Franklin Delano Roosevelt did for the Japanese. Then Liberals will love Trump just as they love FDR. Okay. I will soften that. Give them a choice to emigrate to Mexico or stay in an interment camp until they are properly vetted.

    • CharlieSeattle

      No, deport them all!

    • jnora

      That is the perfect idea. We should also not give any of them citizenship. Too many of them are citizens already. They are our enemy!!!!

  • downs1

    Trump is an unmitigated fool! He needs to seriously read the Qu’ran very closely before he builds bridges of trust with Muslims who are in power! They will practice “taqqi’a” and when the time is right, that is, when they have taken over in the name of Allah, they simply behead you! Unless you convert to Islam!

    • bobnstuff

      Sorry guy but the Qu’ran excepts other religions and in fact give them a discount on the taxes. A Muslim is expected to pay 10% but non Muslims only have to pay 5% because they are not enlightened. Of the major faiths of the would Islam is no more likely to force you to convert then any other. Look at what Christians have done in the past.

      • Ramon1710 .

        Can’t wait till the NARCs show up at your door! Yeah, those nasty old Crusaders, defending themselves from Muslim invasion. Appeasing terrorists is always so much more effective!

        I see you’re following the POSUS’s example and not worrying about your taqiyya being believable.

        Some love notes from the quran:

        Sura 4:76 Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil.

        Sura 4:89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they
        disbelieve, so that you might be all alike; therefore take them not as friends until they fly in Allahs way; but if they turn back, then seize and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

        Sura 4:101 …surely the unbelievers are your open enemy

        Sura 5:33 “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war
        against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.”

        Sura 5:82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews…

        Sura 6:111 Most unbelievers are ignorant.

        Sura 8:12 When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, “I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!”

        Sura 8:65 Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence.

        Sura 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find
        them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

        Sura 9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah … until they pay the Jizyah (tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

        Sura 9:73 Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway.

        • bobnstuff

          You really need to get a better translation if you want to understand the Qurun. Just like the Bible the Qurun can be twisted to say something it doesn’t. Try reading Exodus 22:20 “Whoever sacrifices to any god other then the Lord must be destroyed.”
          Deuteronomy 13: 6-10 12-16
          I can list more but you get my meaning. Now look up your verses in the Qurun and see the real meaning.

          http://quran.com
          Read the whole verse if you want to understand it.

          They do not like polytheists by the way but if you don’t understand the word look it up. Christians don’t either.

          • Ramon1710 .

            Because there are so many sacrifices going on today, aside from Muslimes sacricificing Christians. Better translation, ha ha. Right. All the primitive mentality, terrorism, and egotism are because they’re misunderstood by people reading the wrong translation of their conquest book. Try again with something more believable and less stupid.

          • Ramon1710 .

            Yes, because there are so many sacrifices going on today, besides muslimes sacrificing Christians. Try for something relevant.
            One of the verses I quoted, Sura 6:111 Most unbelievers are ignorant, has just manifested itself, because in your egotistic stupidity, you assumed I would not look up your reference source. So, we go to your website allegedly to get a “correct” translation for (picked at random) Sura 8:12. What do we see? We see confirmation of what you’re trying to lie about: “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”
            So the real meaning matches the claimed misinterpretation.
            No. The unbeliever is not ignorant. It is you.
            Better luck taqiyyaing next time.

          • bobnstuff

            Quran 6:111

            And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allah
            should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant.

            Bible Psalm 135

            For the Lord will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants. The idols of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not; They have ears, but they hear not; neither is there any breath in their mouths. They that make them are like unto them: so is every one that trusteth in them.

            Quran 8:12

            [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of
            those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”

            Bible Psalm 68:21

            God surely strikes the heads of his enemies, even the hairy heads of those who continue in their guilt.

          • Ramon1710 .

            Surely, your taqiyya attempts are an embarrassment to Allah. Good luck with that!

  • ADRoberts

    Does anyone else have a problem with Trump trying to “deal” with muslims.
    Has he not learned yet that they are THE problem, every time we have violence anywhere in the world? No, this is what you get with a LIBERAL.
    He will work to get their approval but attacks every American in site who he disagrees with.
    So when he is going to disagree with jihad and sharia?
    Don’t you get it yet. He is NOT a patriot. He is a compromiser. He is willing to deal with deceptive muslims but not conservatives like PROLIFE, or anti-amnesty people.

  • Loretta Stacey

    The article says this is what Phares usually does as part of his foreign policy and really doesn’t have anything to do with the campaign.

    • CharlieSeattle

      FYI…

      Walid Phares is an American scholar of Lebanese Maronite Christian extraction. He is a commentator on global terrorism and Middle Eastern affairs.

  • DrBillLemoine

    Yep, and the cat crouches benignly quietly watching the mouse. Muslims are not stupid, nor are women, war heroes and vets, Latinos, blacks and other groups Trump has consistently berated and maligned. The tiger doesn’t change its stripes. Trump is still dangerous to the nation no matter how he prowls and purrs because he still opens his mouth removing any doubt.

    • ADRoberts

      Exactly. And the number of times I have pointed out his duplicity is amazing. And yet, the Trumpsters refuse to see the truth.
      1. Abortion
      2. Amnesty
      3. Religious rights and freedoms (his quote to Kim Davis)
      4. SCOTUS appointment. (He claimed his proabortion sister would make an excellent SCOTUS. Translate: He would have one more IN)
      5. Universal health care that he still wants
      6.
      And on and on. And yes, he is not smart enough to keep his mouth shut on such things as NC bathrooms, or punishment of those who abort

      • DrBillLemoine

        Trump supporters are among the group recently defined as needing confirmation of their ideas, stroking and support–not conflict or opposition. That’s base Republican voters, marginal laborers in the working class, high school educated and ideologues. Facts, reasoning, research and preponderance of evidence don’t affect them. So their elected reps in DC and statehouses/legislatures ignore them and simply listen to their campaign donors and fat cats. How else do you justify poisoning an entire city like Flint MI, or replacing democratically elected city officials in Benton Harbor, Detroit and several other MI cities?
        How else do you justify eliminating so much healthcare for women in TX? How else do you explain paying COLA money to retirees in LA when the money is, and has been, there from good internal investment decisions, and the state has a billion dollars deficit from Jindal?
        How else do you justify barring all Muslims when containing and eliminating ISIL requires Muslim boots on the ground? How else do you find Christians hating blacks, Catholics, Jews and women contrary to the written Gospel?
        Yes, and so forth.
        Trump simply personifies all this palaver without thought or common sense.

        • ADRoberts

          I lived in Texas. You are lying about eliminating health care for women in Texas. But what is new about that?

          • DrBillLemoine

            You live in TX and are not aware of reducing Planned Parenthood outlets by about half? Talk about detached.

          • ADRoberts

            No, I would be happy if they were ALL gone. But the fact remains that health care is about health care. And PLanned Parenthood is about abortion.
            They have let to do a single MAMMOGRAM. And most of what they do do, is nothing but referrals to medical agencies who DO that work. So what medical care was reduced? LOL.
            You are a pawn or a puppet of the abortion industry. GOTCHA.
            So how much of a salary do you draw working for baby killers.?

        • ADRoberts

          Then there is the rant about barring all Muslims? From what? You want to put muslims in the battle? Have you not learned from what they did with the Syrian Freedom fighters. They turned around and joined ISIS.
          You ignore history and then rant about wanting to put muslims into the fight. LOL. That is either a sign of your naivity or stupidity.
          Then you do your irrational thing by claiming that Christians hate blacks, Catholics, Jews and women.
          Obviously you don’t know any REAL Christians. But then, I don’t know who you do know. But it is obvious by that last remark that you are braindead when it comes to evaluating Trump.
          Now get this straight. No one with a single brain cell will actually claim that there is a man out there who does not have faults. Yet in your determination to back him ALL THE WAY. you deny any errors, lies, deception, back peddaling, ANYTHING.
          And that by itself proves that you are totally without hope. You are JUST like those people who backed Obama in 2008.
          But I will agree with you about one thing. Trump is without thought or common sense.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Are you information deficient or just ignore the news? Anybody fighting for Assad or ISIL isn’t Muslim by the definition of 1.6 billion peaceful people of that faith. You seem to take the side and approve of malcontents, barbarians and criminals in ISIL. Wonder why?
            Same for people called KKK–not Christians by any definition but their own. Many support Trump, maybe you.
            Now how did you twist my words to think I’m backing Trump???

          • ADRoberts

            Information deficient? Just because I don’t agree with you.
            Now you go and talk to people who USED TO BE muslims and see about how peaceful they are IF they are truly practicing their faith. You are more ignorant of them than I am.
            The Koran is specific. They ARE to kill the infidels. And they use that book to justify killing daughters, wives, others of their own sect, others of different sects., Jews, Christians. etc
            And you want to claim that 1. 6 billion are peaceful? LOL
            Then you accuse me of being on THEIR side. Bogus and irrational. Where do you come up with such irrational thinking? I know. You were told that is truth. LOL
            Now why would I assume you support Trump. Same irratinality that Trumpsers have.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I have Muslim clients and know their stories, always peaceful. The bible is specific, kill the indigenous populations in the promised land eliminating all of them. It doesn’t make warlike Jews or Christians. You are twisting the truth about Muslims, misapplying the Qu’ran like the barbarians do in ISIL. Are you one of them?
            Your words are quite Trump-like and conclusions exactly the same.

          • ADRoberts

            No, you have not bothered to read the Koran or the ex-muslims who will tell you what is the history of muslims.
            Tell me how much you know about taqiyya. or muruna.
            Tell me about your knowledge of a Syrian village where a Christian had lived next door to a muslim for 20 years. And as the radicals approached the town, the muslim went out, greeted them and pointed out the houses of Christians as they entered, so they could BE KILLED.
            Tell me about the stories of those who lived with muslims. And when a trumpet sounded, the muslims rose up and attacked them, killing and injuring them. And when it sounded again, the stopped attacking and went about bandaging the wounds.
            Who is twisting the truth.
            Christians have NO equivalent for taqiyya or muruna. We have no provision for killing or enslaving those who reject Christ.
            So you deal with SOME muslims. Can you explain all the violence. If you can’t and don’t bother to TRY to find out what is going on, you ARE going to get a very big surprise very soon.
            Now you need to reveal more. What is your business that you have muslim clients.
            I am sure you won’t say. It would reveal too much.
            As to your CLAIM about killing the people of the promised land, I would like to see you apply that to Christians. You can’t. Not really but you DID.
            And you failed to see the difference in how God was dealing with HIS people. In the OT, He was trying to keep His people separate so they would not intermarry and bring in the gods of the locals. But the Christian message is for all people. It was given to Peter on the rooftop.
            Do you know enough Bible to know that.
            Now, you want to insult me. So you call me Trump-like.
            Amazing. I bet you would not dare treat one of your muslim “clients” that way. But you will a Christian. Do you have enough integrity to admit why?

          • DrBillLemoine

            The issue here is treatment of Muslims. I have clients on an equal access basis. If they reveal, personal information beyond business interests, they indicate trust in me. I find it hard to believe you, as a Christian, are so trustworthy when you focus on the negative aspects of religion and personalities. So what’s your point? I follow the strait and narrow path which precludes acting as you seem to do toward Muslims.
            Just where is the ‘insult’ you detect from me? I stick to truth.

          • ADRoberts

            Nathanael was admired by Jesus because, “there is a man in whom there is no guile.” You can’t say the same.
            Now since you claim I am negative, I ask you a simple question. Do you know what an Exhorter is or does?
            Your truth will have to stand before God.
            I did just go back and find that you are very much against Trump. So I made a mistake by claiming that you are irrational in your support of him.
            But as for you following the straight and narrow, it is difficult to believe when you have worked so hard, trying to convince me and others of the peaceful people who call themselves muslims when there is NO doubt that ALMOST ALL of the violence and terrorism around the world is from muslims
            And get this. Not much from those “peaceful” muslims in the way of even rejecting that violence. You should know why. but obviously you don’t It is because they are in muruna and are lying about their support of every bit of that violence.
            Again. What is your BUSINESS. that you have muslims “clients”. I am fairly sure it is NOT medical doctor, as you would call them patients and not clients.
            So I am confident that you too are deceptive.
            By the way. In your ASSUMPTIONS, you have determined that I treat muslims a certain way. Sorry to disappoint you. I don’t know and have never had contact with any muslims closer than Dr. Oz. LOL
            Now take your assumtion and see if you can keep from being a guile person.

          • DrBillLemoine

            As I’ve said many times in these pages, you still fail to distinguish ISIL criminals and barbarians who only ‘claim’ to be Muslims from the 1.6 billion peaceful ones.
            Regarding sources of trouble, you also overlook the ‘Christian’ Inquisition, the ‘Christian’ Crusades, 3 of them last millennium and Southern Whites keeping slaves and pretending it’s to teach them Christianity.
            Those are not Muslim sources of terrorism and violence.
            Just like Jesus tells us, we must expect persecution and turn the other cheek, forgive the perpetrators–clearly similar to your non-rejecting Muslims. You just aren’t thinking straight with enough information to make accurate conclusions. Your stuff is the propaganda from ISIL and Christian reprobates near as I can tell.

          • ADRoberts

            Wow. You went back how many hundred years and came up with what was and is obviously NOT Christian action by very wicked men in positions of power.
            So now you have determined that all battles against violent muslims, as in the Crusades, must have been wicked and bad and justified the violence of those muslims. LOL
            And then you seem to fail to understand that NO WHERE in the Bible does it say that slavery was a sin. But OUR morality and that of the majority of Christians throughout the ages is what brought the Civil War to end slavery.
            Guess what. Muslims were right there when slavery started. And they are still doing it today. Ever heard of Boko Haran and the 200 Christian girls that are not enslaved by muslims.
            You stepped in it. BIG TIME.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Not Christian action? Inquisition was conducted by the Catholic Christians in Spain. Any religious group may have apostates, but they don’t rise to the level of criminals and barbarians claiming the mantle of Islam like ISIL. Same for Pentateuch Jews in our bible who like genocide wiped out entire tribes in the Promised Land. The Lord works in mysterious ways, he told us.
            Crusades–bad and unnecessary and political expedient by an evil pope. Christians are taught to expect persecution, not fight it but turn the other cheek. Or don’t you know those bible lessons?
            Keep it real. Egyptians enslaving Israelites need no label of ‘slavery’. It simply exists. We all know it took the Civil War to remove it in America. It was not eliminated by Southern slave holders. Britain simply passed a law.
            The fact of somebody trafficking women and children doesn’t condemn any one religion, just the sin of it. Boko Haram is more criminals and barbarians like ISIL, and American or Mexicans doing the same thing on this continent daily. What are you doing or saying about that–much worse issue than border crossers seeking freedom from murder, slavery, drug running and the like going on in Central America now? Why not get Costa Rica, Honduras, El Salvador to pay for the wall with MX. lol

          • ADRoberts

            Inquisition? How many of your acquaintences and how many living people wo you know of who were active in that action. How many people do you know of who even KNOW of what happened SAY NOTHING about supported what was done.
            LOL. Straining at finding a place to attack Christians? OBVIOUSLY.

          • ADRoberts

            How do you know the Crusades were bad? Were you there? Of course not But you sure do listen to muslims who are looking for a way to justify their violence.
            Now I will end my discourse with you, with this. You are not looking for truth or fact. You are looking to defend your position. But you are still unwilling to even state that.
            Guile? Yes.
            Deception? yes
            Supportive of muslims, including those who are violent? Yes.
            Ready to attack any Christian at the fist opportunity? Yes.
            God have mercy on you.

          • DrBillLemoine

            The issue and thread you’ve lost is Trump pandering suddenly to Muslims he would bar from USA immigration. That’s hypocrisy, if not deception, but Trump followers are gullible.
            Anybody who follows this issue knows where I stand, but you got lost in your rhetoric. Too bad.

          • ADRoberts

            ISIL is not considered by muslims to be criminal. They KNOW that what they are doing is right in line with Islamic thinking.
            Now, bright BOY. Explain why ALL of this violence around the whole world is ONLY by muslims. Just this last week and an Egyptian passenger plane. Want to try to deny that it was muslim. And where are all those 1.6 billion voices, condemning the deaths? Not happening. And everyone else in the world BUT YOU, knows why.
            Now a point by this VERY accurate observation of YOU.
            You quote Jesus. But you have yet to deny that YOU ARE A MUSLIM..
            GOTCHA.
            Next time, try to address the critical points of our discussion.
            This time, YOU LOST AGAIN.
            Oh, and one other FACT that you ignore.
            Christians do have a standard that they follow. So when you find Christians going out of their way to attack and kill others, you can be sure that THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. Not real Christians.
            But I am sure, you know more about Islam than you do Christianity. And yet you fail to read the parts where it tells the muslims to kill infidels and unbelievers. LOL

          • DrBillLemoine

            You don’t know much about human nature–in America, middle east or Muslims. Peaceful people called in this country formerly ‘silent majority’ aren’t likely to rise up against anyone, just like Christians remain peaceful. It has nothing to do with condoning criminals and barbarians who actually kill more Muslims than anybody else. Nonsense thinking.
            Same answer for your ‘violence’ charge. It’s criminals taking advantage of disruptions around them, just like in America. Hear any Trump supporters condemning his threats and attacks on protesters in rallies. Nonsense thinking again to limit it to Muslims. Is Trump a Muslim? Wacky thinking.
            I read the 5 pillars of islam to know the peaceful intent of 1.6 billion muslims worldwide including in the USA.

          • ADRoberts

            And in your arrogance, it is always that I don’t know this or don’t know that. So you claim to have all the answers and are sure of the silent majority” LOL. I have news for you. We are in the LAST DAYS and the Church in Revelation that describes this age is LAODICEA. We are NOT a Christian nation any more. “In the last days, because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.” News for you. This is NOT about the world as their has always been an abounding of iniquity in the world. The verse is about the organized church. That is right. The Church of Loadicea.

            As to Trump, you hit on it. He is just as wicked as the muslims are.
            Now I have seen you refer to the FIVE PILLARS of Islam TWICE now and have yet to see you say a single thing about the value of and the major impact for GOOD of Christianity. And that speaks VOLUMNS.
            Again. I request, no, demand you testify and say who you are.
            Career
            Actual denomination you REGULARLY attend.
            Who you put your trust in.
            You might even admit who you support for POTUS>
            Not you. You are full of deception;.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Truth may be seen by conservatives as arrogance, but it’s still truth. I’ve been around watching, learning and doing for a long time and should know a lot.
            Nobody knows the hour or day of the second coming so you are guessing about ‘last days’. Quit trying to act like God. He is omniscient and knows all about your nonsense, and misspellings.
            I answer to God, not you. Play your arrogance and dominance games with somebody else. Guess again about me, when the truth is plain to discern.

          • ADRoberts

            Truth is God. And you don’t know God.

          • DrBillLemoine

            The phrasing is ‘I am the way, the truth and the life.’ You are sinning right here and now.

          • ADRoberts

            What kind of doctor sits around all day and does not work at something. My wife pointed out my mistake by saying that likely you are a college professor. LOL. That would explain all the irrational illogical thinking and statements.
            Now, for those who are so arrogant and are sure they know the Bible without even being a real Christian, I have news for you. And you can check out a valid sourced to see that it is true. Sinning is violating the KNOWN will of God.
            So you failed again at trying to bring me down. Since you, in all of your pretend wisdom, don’t have the slightest idea what God requires of me, you have just been found to FALSELY JUDGING ME. So all I can say about that, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BIBLE is, now YOU will be judged with the SAME standard of judgement.
            Wow. But not a chance that you learned anything.
            Go back to teaching your stupid kids in your liberal classes.

          • DrBillLemoine

            It takes a valid and reliable source to instruct me. You aren’t it in reasoning or bible understanding.

          • ADRoberts

            No, I can challenge you and you will ignore it. The question is simple. WHO do you hear that tells you ANYTHING that you don’t want to hear, and you accept their words?
            Greed is a powerful tool for selling your soul.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I’m open to edification always. You don’t have it on the Muslim subject.

          • ADRoberts

            No, you have an agenda. You know it. So do I. You don’t dare confront muslims. Fear? Maybe. Most likely, just wanting to continue getting their money.
            Edify yourself. Explain why all this violence and terror. Explain where there is NO compassion, forgiveness or love in Islam.
            It is ALL about lust, and GETTING and control.

          • DrBillLemoine

            So deal with the topic. It’s Trump’s agenda in question here. Is he the hypocrite changing from barring all Muslim immigrants just days ago? It’s republicans who ran for president wanting to surround ‘no go’ Muslim towns, carpet bomb ISIL, throw tactical nukes at them in Iraq or Syria–that’s the fear, in your compatriots.
            A hard look at the facts shows that barbarians and criminals have wrapped themselves in the Qu’ran and Muslim mantle when they are simply out for power and hegemony in a new ‘caliphate’ murdering other Muslims and a few Christians to get your attention and fear, not mine. You still ignore 1.6 peaceful Muslims, all but a handful of Shiites in Iraq/Iran, and Assad.

          • ADRoberts

            Done.
            The last question for you. Does this verse apply.
            “Ephraim is joined to his idols. Let him alone.”

          • DrBillLemoine

            It takes a valid and reliable source to edify me. You don’t qualify for either bible knowledge or understanding, let alone wisdom. God said to get all three, but you didn’t.

          • ADRoberts

            More tonight about the MUSLMS that Obama is bring in. Now to Rand Paul’s home town of Bowliong. Green. WHY?
            Now they said it is muslims. Prove that they have a reason to come. Prove that the article that says they have Americans who get paid $2000 per person to sign them up for welfare and live in government housing. And why do we need them? And why, when all the fighting is between muslims do we need to bring the very combatants here. Your claims are bogus. Your DOCTOR title is bogus. You defend them because of the money you get from your CONSULTING firm.

            Now tell America how feels to assist in the destruction of America.
            Tell us just how much those muslims contribute and how well they like to ASSIMILATE. Explain how you have gone out of your way to make sure that you only deal with muslims who aggressively oppose jihad and terrorism.
            LOL
            Gotcha.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I’m not on trial here. But finally you return to the Muslim topic. You lost it for awhile.
            You are xenophobic and selfish to the max, not typical American traits. We accept immigrants who are escaping death and oppression in Syria, hardly combatants. Are you so heartless not to agree. A Syrian family known to me was taken from a refugee camp, transported, given jobs and housing in Sweden. You’re no Sven.
            Destruction–Bush2 grinding up 3K lives in Iraq for oil but got nothing. SecTreas Paulson in 2008 failing to stave off GOP markets crashing with a Great Recession emerging. How about SecDef Rumsfeld sending insufficient troops to Baghdad without armor?
            And Romney supporting the demise of our national defense auto industry into bankruptcy, saved by Bernancke/Geithner/Obama? That’s real damage.
            BTW Muslim Americans are just like you and me.

          • ADRoberts

            Yes, you are on trial. God will judge all. And rationalization is not allowed.

          • DrBillLemoine

            God watches out for his children including me. You are making up the ‘rationalization’ bit; nobody knows. Judgment Day is not everyday trial as you think.

          • ADRoberts

            Yes, rationalizing is what people do when they KNOW that they are doing wrong but are desperate to continue having their own way.
            Just how much of that muslim money do you think you will be able to take with you when you die.?

          • DrBillLemoine

            Don’t be so stupid. You know me only by my posts. And what about Trump against Muslims? Pleases you?

          • ADRoberts

            What about dead at the hands of muslims pleases you?

          • DrBillLemoine

            Refugees scrambling to escape Assad in Syria and horrible refugee camp conditions in Turkey and Jordan are hardly responsible for deaths. We already vet for 18 months refugees so a little extra thought and legislation from congress would go a long way to screening out any overt terrorists, if that’s what concerns you. Mr. Obama said the same.

          • ADRoberts

            And here you were, defending all those peaceful muslims. I believe you claimed that 1.6 billion are peaceful.
            And who are you now claiming that these “refugees” are fleeing?
            Which group are the good guys. How is it that the vast majority of those showing up here are YOUNG MEN.?
            And the very military that will have to FIGHT them are the same ones who claim that there is NO WAY to vet them. There simply are not enough records.
            So you buy the claims of the radical deceptive jihadists who tell you that “extra thinking and legislation” will screen out the terrorist.
            Like the screening that is NOT happening at our Southern Border as Obama has left the GATE OPEN.

            You are easy to deceive. WHY? Because of WHO you choose to believe.
            Now a simple question. DO YOU TRUST JESUS CHRIST? Have you repented and accepted HIS sacrifice for your sins?

            I just figured out who you are. Chamberlain.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Duplicitous Trump has discovered after rethinking that Muslims are peaceful and ‘courts them’. If Europe can take multi-millions of them, America can take 10,000 with extra vetting. Congress could weigh in with legislation, but they are Republicans too.
            Extra vetting? El Al Israeli Airlines personnel do a fine job of screening air passengers; so can we with congressional money.
            Southern border? It was Republicans who reduced border funding by over a billion dollars last request by the president. Congress could have initiated it with all the ‘phony’ rhetoric about wall building and your ‘GATE OPEN’ crack, but they didn’t to save a penny at your expense, border states.
            You have not shown one instance of anyone deceiving me. My religion has nothing to do with that. You’re just fishing for trouble.

          • ADRoberts

            Amaxzing. You continue to deceive yourself and tty to deceive others by your continued insistence that muslims are peaceful.
            This in spite of all the DAILY violence that is just about universally caused by those very same muslims.
            “so can we with congressional money”
            There we have it folks. We are going bankrupt as the primary focus of all of Congress and POTUS, and here we have a muslim supporter who wants to spend EVEN MORF money.
            Your “religion” Are you kidding me. Your religion is all about YOU getting more and more money. You are truly your OWN god.
            And each and every time yo try to cover for the violent, Sharria pushing, controlling predators who use taqiyya at every possible chance and play you as a “tool”, you are seen for what you are.
            God have mercy on you.

            Now a point. It was said that you can tell what a man’s god is by where he spends
            1. His time
            2. His money.
            YOU are easy. You spend most of your time on the net, trying to defend the very people who you GET MONEY FROM no matter how violent they are.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Think before you write. It’s nonsense that Muslims are not peaceful when a handful comprise ISIL. Add in ayatollahs and the Iran Revolutionary Guard and you have 100,000, no more out of 1.6 billion. Are you so fearful of a tiny group like that? Talk about yellow stripes somewhere on the body.
            You continue to think, despite my best efforts, that those criminals and barbarians are practicing Muslims. They are not as domestic Muslims, millions in Europe and a billion across Africa and Asia are peaceful all the time. A handful of San Bernardino malcontents and Belgian or Parisian jihadists don’t change my numbers. You are just not focused; not seeing the forest standing so close in front of a tree.
            Actually ISIL propagandists want nothing more than to generate fear in onlookers, primarily you, to generate as their fondest hope, an attack to justify their words of the Great Satan and evil America. And you are halfway there with your post here. So gullible.
            And you should write fiction making up a character sketch for me that doesn’t fit reality. Your last sentence doesn’t make sense.

          • ADRoberts

            YOur lack of rational thought is amazing. No, I guess you actually believe you can deceive. “nonsense that Muslims are not peaceful…….”
            Now you want to claim that you have NUMBERS that are soooo small. Only 100,000 that you will admit that are are fighting. Yet the ENTIRE world is focused on the violence.
            You are not gullible. YOu are deceptive. And you actually believe that your NONSENSE will be believed.
            Now, bright boy, when the ONE you are facing is the one who is crying “Alluha Akbar” and about to chop off YOUR head , or shoot you, tell me just how “minor” a group you will consider it.
            Tell me how that every day, all around the world, just about EVERY nation, the NEWS is reporting death at the hands of muslims.

            “Do not be deceived. God is not mocked……..” You are not deceived. But you are working so hard to deceive ME and others. WHY? Because THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR MONEY.

            Now tell me about the false background of ISLAM, that they continue to be THE source of violence, that they continue to try to force their Sharia on the entire world, that they have NO love, NO forgiveness, NO compassion.
            Not even you are safe in their presence. AND YOU KNOW IT.

            You failed. I certainly don’t believe your gibberish. God certainly is not deceived.
            And about that LAST sentence, IF you were such a big deal in your consulting firm, you would not have time to get on this site and talk with a retired man.
            Let me guess. YOu believe that if you can win me over or SILENCE me, you will appease your muslim investors. LOL

          • DrBillLemoine

            Typical base republican–take everything to its extreme whether it is expressed that way or not. I’m very precise with words, phrases, sentences and themes. The only deception is dissonance with your understandings and broader phrasing to those extreme positions, ultra conservatives are infamous for.
            Try googling ISIL, or IS or ISIS or Daesh. Their numbers are tiny in the world scheme of things. You have succumbed to their fondest propaganda dreams–fear of Muslims, not just the bad guys. My numbers are accurate as can be. Once there were Chechen rebels in southern Russia. Your thinking would condemn everyone from that area, not just the minority of deadly jihadists. It’s patent nonsense by you. You have also misunderstood the power of social media and Daesh expertise in its use. Get a grip or backbone and live your life. If you are so afraid of Sharia, tell me why all you folks wanted American troops to stay in Iraq without a status of forces agreement that would subject them to Sharia, not American law. It’s more mindless sloganeering.
            About attacks on me, I have taken all prudent precautions. If you haven’t, do so now. Then quit the mindless fear mongering. Trust me, I’m a time and efficiency expert with my other skills. I’m not wasting any time. You folks need the eye opening, the edification, the sober reasoning I provide.
            Till you can focus on specifics and numbers and data that show how ridiculous your fears really are, you and your small band of brothers will continue as a thorn in the side of ordinary Americans, and show repeatedly (with every post) that ISIL is successful when they aren’t.
            I think you have potential or would have quit responding long ago. I’m a good teacher with positive instincts and thinking. That’s what makes a good progressive. My Muslim clients are just like me.

          • ADRoberts

            You have shown yourself to be exactly what most of America has had enough of. “A PROGRESSIVE”
            Want to find out what brings prosperity? I doubt that you have even heard of what has made the difference.
            There have been FIVE great revivals, or GREAT AWAKENINGS in our history. And after each, our economy turn to high prosperity.
            If I like you better or thought you would respect me or the information, I would tell you more about them.
            Sufficent to say that not a single person in government speaks of them.
            Not very many in any churches wants to talk about them. It has been OVER ONE HUNDRED years since we had one in America.
            No, I will not cast my pearls before you. You have sold your soul to mammon and the muslims.

            And I doubt that your muslim clients are just like you. Except that BOTH of you think you are USING the other.
            Now dare you risk it? Of course not. Ask them if they really want Sharia to be the only law in the world?

          • DrBillLemoine

            You’d make a terrible teacher. One who edifies others like me doesn’t demean his audience or students, he goes ahead knowing that someone will benefit.
            Actually it’s progressive leaders who have brought forth every benefit, every advancement, every increase in the public wellbeing you and I enjoy. Conservatives, judging by today’s right wing politicians, want no progress, only regression to some ill defined yesteryear, simpler life or primitive living. That’s not the aim of our founders or progressives today who seek a more perfect union (like liberty and justice for all), use government to secure the blessings of liberty for all (expand not suppress voting and civil rights), and lead the world to a better place (as #1 in economics, #1 in social mobility, #1 in personal freedoms, #1 in rights, and #1 in personal wealth. Democratic oriented Trump is more progressive than his supporters, but they don’t recognize it behind the bluster, bravado, palaver, glibness and frank talk.
            We need no more revivals, simply to enhance our long time advantages in the West of competition, science, property rights, medicine, consumer consumption and work ethic as defined by Noell Ferguson in his work ‘Civilisation. . .’ None of your advances happens outside of those factors and nothing is more important for mankind since the birth of Christ. So slime away, hide your ideas, withhold you ‘pearls’, blaspheme God, insult other religions and reap your reward–defeat.

          • ADRoberts

            To teach, several things must be in play. First, I would have to have a student who respects me. You don’t I would have to have information that you want. You don’t. I would have to have the ability to persuade you. I don’t even want that.
            I will leave you to your own selfishness.

            Face it. You have shown arrogance, self determination, compromise for the sake of gain and are more interested in defending muslims than finding out what God could or would do with your life.

            So the only question I have. What have you done for Jesus? Is that enough.

          • DrBillLemoine

            You are thinking of teaching in the Socratic method, one teacher, one student. That’s not education today. No teacher has everyone’s respect, but education continues anyway. You have an elitist’s vision there. Education is also not simply affirmation of what one already knows, but imparting new ideas to expand the mind. Your conservatives want less input, less data, fewer facts which is regression and narrowing minds.
            Then you have the wrong idea that everyone perceives your information the same, all students are the same, interchangeable agreeable sponges for what you say–another impossibility as we are all different, not cogs in your education machine.
            Now you did hit on a key concept, compromise for the sake of gain. That’s progressives. That’s how America became #1. There’s a whole lesson in American history in what I’m saying, but haven’t the space, time or inclination to do what you need. I can plead guilty to all your charges because they are what is required for humankind advancement, but the ‘defending Muslims’. It’s simply stating the obvious about numbers of peaceful vs. other kinds.
            I see you view education as rote training and educators as Jesus figures and you can only be ill educated and disappointed here on earth.

          • ADRoberts

            Tired of you. Did not read.
            Just one question, since you obviously have NO REASON to continue to dialogue with me.
            Do you really care what I think?

          • DrBillLemoine

            You are illustrating critical differences between educators and all others. No teacher gets ‘tired’ of anyone. If you must stop, out of ideas, tired of sparring, just stop.

          • ADRoberts

            You are not even remotely an open mind. You have proven your agenda. And then you want to PLAY.
            Not tired of discourses with people who are rational. You refused to answer my question. Do you care about my opinion. Of course you don’t. So why do you persist?
            Oh, I get it. You want to dominate.
            God, you take care of him. Amen.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I’m always open to good thinking, reasoning, grounded facts, good analysis and synthesis of ideas. I hardly get that in these pages.

          • ADRoberts

            NOT.
            As a very important, influential “consultant”, you should be out there doing important things. So why are you here, berating me. Wasting your time, claiming that you are open minded.
            FACE IT. You are a deceiver.
            More reports of death and violence by muslims yesterday.
            Hard to argue that they are PEACEFUL when the evidence is in the news, EVERYDAY..
            Oh, I gotcha. Like the muslim woman who cut off the head of a “challenged” 4 year old girl, and then carried it around the public square, crying “Alluha Ackbar”.
            The NEWEST answer for ALL violence is that they are MENTALLY ILL.
            That is the newest name for wicked, evil and sinners.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Thanks for the faint praise, but I’m doing important work everyday, including posting to you. The point is others are reading and learning even when you aren’t. Some readers don’t like it including blog editors and writers who let me know, but they must censor me/block me to stop me from posting against their avowed principles of free speech, proving hypocrisy I’ve already indicated to them. Free speech is difficult to swallow when you concepts are far from the people.
            You still don’t realize self-labeled Muslims aren’t really religious in ISIL and elite Shiite Iran. Calling them such is buying their phony messages. Many conservatives go beyond and fulfill the ‘fear generation’ aims, like on these conservative blogs. It’s akin to the 47 Republican Senators aiding and comforting Iran enemies during nuclear reduction negotiations. They, by contrast, believe the administration negotiators, not the traitorous Senators. How come they are aware and we aren’t?
            About peace and the news, recall a FL pastor burned Qu’rans to protest Islamic jihad and provoked deadly reactions from the barbarians. So you see calling one’s self a religious figure works both ways–hypocrites and liars on both sides. Since media values bad news that grabs headlines and beats the competition in a ‘cut throat’ business in decline, you’ll find the worst behaviors on air–on both sides. I claim it feeds into the fear factor among American right wingers who are only too happy to repeat their fears right here on this blog, including you. Stop aiding the enemy’s propaganda by being gullible. The barbarians are not at your doorstep nor mine, just a few local malcontents that amount to very little jeopardy in the homeland.

          • ADRoberts

            You found ONE pastor who burned a koran. Would you be so kind as to tell me how many real or fake Christian pastors you have found who incited, provoked and recruited people to KILL others?
            You have yet to explain how you can claim all of this WHEN muslims have taqiyya and muruna as a part of their “FAITH”. Why would they need to DECEIVE with such tools, if they are as peaceful as you claim.

            Now let’s dig a little deeper. What is the basis of their “PEACE”. Do yo find verses from Mohammad that are LATER in the Koran that call for peace. Does he call for forgiveness. Have you seen in ALL OF HISTORY at time when muslims were subdued and lost that it was not from their having been beaten militarily?
            Can you explain why on EVERY occasion of them defeating Christians or Jews, they feel compelled to take over their churches and synagogues and make it into a MOSQUE. That is called domination. And it is NOT from an attitude of love, kindness or the desire to get along.
            Now about that small minority? It matters not. What matters is that THOSE people only have ONE reason for all their violence. And that is ISLAM.

            BLIND. That is all that anyone could say about a person like you.
            And I am beginning to feel sorry for you. You desperation to defend them WILL leave you vulnerable. And they WILL hurt you.

          • DrBillLemoine

            It’s not the number I’m trying to impress on you. One so-called ‘Christian’ pastor on the news burning one Qu’ran goes viral worldwide and he’s sparked reactions across Europe and Africa. The Benghazi videotape did the same thing, but you blame Hillary. Why not that pastor? And he’s done it several times so the government asked him to stop.
            BTW nobody but you extremist backers of ISIL propaganda knows what ‘taqiyya’ and ‘muruna’ even are. If important, I would know by now.
            Is ‘deceit’ and variants your word of the week. It’s you that’s been deceived into aiding ISIL barbarians.
            Do you understand that conflict of arms is precisely what a tiny criminal enterprise seeks with the #1 nation or Great Satan, the USA? Everybody killed has family that is immediate enemies of us. What’s so hard to understand?
            I may be blind to you, but blind people are highly capable as I’ve taught them in classes. Example–you are blind to ISIL propaganda working wonders in you, but you are not vulnerable over Muslims, the proximate targets of car bombs, suicide bombers and jihadist warriors, are most of the ones hurt by ISIL. They will not bother me as I pursue my normal schedule. Same for the rest of America, except you.

          • ADRoberts

            IF you were a Christian, you would know that ONE single sin is like breaking all of God’s will.
            You excuse. I leave it up to God. Even today, the “numbers” of attacks continues.
            The latest from Europe is that MUSLIMS, not any other group, ARE stockpiling explosives.
            Explain why it is MUSLIMS who are working the internet to recruit VIOLENT men and women from around the world to join the violent jihad.
            Yes, you approve of what they do, WHEN he try to excuse them.
            “Do not be deceived. God is not mocked…….”
            And by your actions and words, you ARE MOCKING God.

          • DrBillLemoine

            So let’s make a comparison to show you’re nuts.
            USA Christians–required to forgive, God gives us free will to obey or not, Americans are tolerant with diverse backgrounds, base Republicans stockpile weapons.
            Muslims anywhere–1.6 billion peaceful, most Muslims reject jihad, Syrian area arabs are leaving the violence, ISIL recruits abroad lacking appeal locally.
            Are you equating base conservative Americans with murderous non-Muslim barbarians and criminals? Are you equating violence with weapons stockpiling? Is the world aware of barbarians in ISIL but doesn’t react with fear and loathing like Americans akin to you?
            Better be careful with your condemnations. That’s the place of God at Judgment, not you on earth now.

          • ADRoberts

            I don’t condemn. Your own conscience does that. And eventually God.
            And I don’t judge or condemn you. But I do know you by your fruit. And that is evident by what you say.
            Now get this. If the muslims were truly peaceful, you would not be feeling such a desperate need to defend them. And if you were not a muslim, you would not feel that need either.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Some people know not that they know nothing. Same for your condemnations. You apparently don’t read your own stuff, yet apply some standards to others (me).
            I’m certainly not defending Muslims, just agape love and equality of men before God. You by contrast have an agenda, not Gospel and not Constitutional.

          • ADRoberts

            No, you are not expressing “agape love” when you go to such extreme lengths to defend muslims. You claim 1.6 billino peaceful people.
            Just a few seconds ago, I read about a muslim woman in a burka who tore down a flag pole and used the flag to attack the homeowner. Now you will still claim that is is a very small number. LOL.
            But the TRUTH, is that you don’t find ANY other group doing such a large number of attacks on others, just for. ????????? no good reason at all.
            It is not logical. It certainly is not Christian.
            And according to Romans, your words and actions ARE evil because you ARE approving of the wickedness of others.

            Basic. You are making money off of the muslims with your consulting business. And with that as a basis, I can say with certainty, you have a VESTED interesting in defending their antisocial, anti-EVERYONE actions and attitudes.

            You are known. And as Corinthians says, when you cross over, you will know, even as you are know.
            “By their fruit, ye shall know them.” And yes. We do.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Are you still here? Guess you don’t know the bible’s agape love. The word isn’t in it, you have to study.
            1.6 billion vs. 1 anecdote about someone? Small potatoes get you going.
            Priests represent all people like I do. They hear confessions of everyone including criminals, but you condemn me about Muslim business? Nonsense and not Gospel.

          • ADRoberts

            You lie. You deceive. You ignore the HUNDREDS of thousands of people who are killed by “peaceful” muslims.
            Priests do not represent all people. Neither do you. You have an agenda. And you only represent THOSE WHO PAY YOU.
            Now, since you claim to know the Gospel, I simply ask you to tell me how you deal with Matthew, where it says, BY THEIR FRUIT, YE SHALL KNOW THEM.
            This is true of muslms, priests and those who claim to be Christians.

            You have been caught trying to spin, trying to compare for the purpose of excusing wickedness, trying to deceive.
            And yet YOU HAVE FAILED.

            “Do not be deceived. God is not mocked……….” ANd you, by your assertions and excucing of the very servants of satan, are trying to deceive.

          • ADRoberts

            Oh, and just so you KNOW something, I DON’T receive, read, hear, or anything else, ISIL (which only the muslim Obama calls them) PROPAGANDA.
            Therefore, that propaganda can’t work on me.
            LOL.
            Just how much irrational, illogical, twisted, distorted bunk can you put out.

            Now you claim that you can be taught. Then find out what Jesus said about FORGIVING your enemies. ANd then take that and try to teach that to your muslim friends. They DO claim that Jesus was one of their prophets. (They reject that he is God and that He was without sin. So He could not have died for their sin since he would have died for his own.)
            But a one of their prophets, they surely will not attack you for pointing out what HE said about forgiveness.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Oh, so are you saying you have no contact with ISIL propaganda but express strong fear anyway? How rational of you.
            I’m an evangelist, but Gospel also tells us to discern who is open to the Word, not beat our heads against any wall.
            Do you realize both religions have the same ultimate lineage via Abraham but not Jesus?
            What’s your point as the topic is Trump lately cozying up to Muslims, but not you?

          • ezekiel22

            Do you realize both religions have the same ultimate lineage via Abraham but not Jesus?
            The absolute only thing that islam has to do with Christianity is nothing. In reality they cannot even honestly claim Ishmael. Ishmael is the progenitor of the Arab nations and was dead long long before mohammed.
            The basis for the cult of islam is Arianism which was soundly refuted by Athanasius during the Council of Nicea. You will be surprised to know just how much muslims hate Athanasius and Constitine too. Like all other cults that try to align with Christianity while they usurp the whole Bible claiming superior revelations.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Are you saying Abraham is nothing to Muslims? Call you pastor.
            What’s the other nonsense, Ishmael was dead long before Jesus so what?
            Better google ‘cult’. Mistaken there.

          • ezekiel22

            Cult is what I meant. You better study their history including their theology. I know you like to twist things for entertainment but that is a fault of yours.
            I was taught about cults by a Baptist theologian with multiple PhDs and a mensa score that would make you look like a sub in elementary school. Do you even know what Arianism is? Do you know a Gnostic is? Do you know how and why the Nicene Creed came about?
            You no doubt have heard about cultural appropriation these days. Cults like Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons do the same thing when it comes to religion and then bastardize Christianity. If you are a pastor of any rank you should know this already and especially if you claim to be a Baptist.
            I strongly suggest you learn about Islam from those that converted to Christianity. Then compare that to what practicing Muslims say. I did before I made any final decisions. Both sides of the coin. There is a passion there.
            Historically in the beginning Islam borrowed heavily from Judaism and Gnostic Christianity. They left Mecca with just over 100 followers. After that it exploded when it basically became a robbers religion. If you study it you will find that Islam is centered around envy, hatred, and sex. Please do some independent in depth study. The five pillars is whitewash.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Just how does your ‘in depth’ Muslim knowledge explain the billion and a half peaceful Muslims? I’ve found much bigotry and bias in evangelical Christians including Baptists. It’s a simple thing–believe in Christ. There’s no need, nor were many followers in the 2 millennia since Christ, who knew what you write here, because the faithful aside from reprobates before and after the protestant revolution, follow Gospel. The history is irrelevant for most believers and distorts the faith of many who study it–Muslim or Christian–including apparently you and many conservative Republicans. The here and now is proof of what I say in my neighborhood, the nation and abroad. You are simply fomenting conflict where none exists or is expected out of irrational fear of ISIL barbarians, not Muslims in any sense. Every post plays into the hands of propagandists for Baghdadi who expects you and your kind to start war. That will validate the criminals more than anything else and fulfill their fondest dream and plans. Stop the fear mongering; stop the inane analysis of what doesn’t affect anybody; stop the hate; like the Qu’ran burning FL pastor, you are guilty of stirring up Muslims who have no beef with you or me. It’s patent stupidity to follow the prescription of ISIL so well.

          • ezekiel22

            Doc stop propagandizing it demeans you. You falsely claim to be an empirical datastician. You have shown me nothing here but propaganda. You claim I and others distribute fear. Knowledge is not fear. You hide your head in the sand ignoring what is plain before your face even though it is pointed out to you. You will not even check out neutral points or sources. That is not the mark of an honest scholar but rather a propaganda disseminator on the level of Josef Gobels. You will be responsible for deaths you could have prevented the same as Neville Chamberlain could have done.
            Like I have said before read it will not hurt you to learn.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Some confused thinking and mislabeling here. Every post of mine is mine, not somebody’s slogans or rhetoric or boilerplate. The left agrees with me more than not, but it’s not propaganda from me. I’m entitled to an essay and opinion, data driven or not. Get over condemning others for their traits, not their ideas.
            When one repeats or responds to another’s propaganda like the right and ISIL, you fulfill their aims. It’s different from knowledge and more sophisticated thinking. You talk of honesty while spewing your nonsense. Think a little wider and deeper.
            I’d also respond that your fear mongering from ISIL propaganda is more responsible for deaths than anything you can point to in me. You a ripe for ISIL aims.

          • ADRoberts

            In no shape, or form are you an evangelist.
            In no way are you a servant of Jesus Christ. You will not address John 14:12

          • DrBillLemoine

            Are you a used car salesman–bait and switch artist. The topic is not evangelism. Speak to the Muslim issue of Trump, if you can.

          • ADRoberts

            Muslim issue? I know no muslims, except two on TV. One is Obama. The other is Dr. Oz. And I don’t really know either of them.
            Trump? That is simple. At one time, he was sure that conservatives wanted to HEAR that he was in favor of shutting down all immigration of muslims, at least for a while.
            Now, he is reading the poll numbers and sees that he NEEDS every vote. Who would have thought that in a nation that is on the point of collapse because of the Democrat leadership, we would find ANYONE who could not beat a Democrat.
            But Trump is ONLY about one thing. That is winning. So he needs votes. He will “negotiate” with them, say what they want to hear, and try to get more votes.
            SUMMARY: Trump has NO principles. His finger is always in the air, seeing which way the wind is blowing.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Just like Trump, it’s all academic and second hand with you about Muslims. Get a life or Muslim friend, then post with knowledge.

          • ADRoberts

            What a sorry effort on your part to silence me. You tried. But the FACT remains, I hear news all the time on TV and read on sites like this one.
            What you tried to say is that I should NOT post if I don’t have YOUR opinion and am willing to cover for very violent and deceptive people.

            LIKE YOU.
            Tell me what you know about nuclear power? Opppps You know a lot but NONE of it from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

            Now about the muslim woman in the burka, who destroyed a homeowner’s American Flag and used it to attack them, you want to IMAGING a reason why I can’t assume that she is just a REGULAR muslim, and not declared to be insane like the Russian muslim woman who cut off the head of the FOUR YEAR OLD GIRL?

            Sir. It is just like a poisonous snake. They are what they are. And until God CHANGES their hearts and they CONVERT, they are dangerous, evil and wicked. Their entire focus for the “here after” life is for ANIMAL activity.

          • ezekiel22

            I remember you withdrawing your application with Onan Coca a couple weeks ago because you did not like anothers article. Instead of logically countering the article with citations you protested the very premise of free speech. No martyr medal for you. You hate it when people counter your pronouncements.

          • DrBillLemoine

            There are/were no standards, no qualifications, no guidelines offered. That’s not free and open speech; it’s an invitation for any kook to spew any kind of venom and I opted out. It had nothing to do with any article in particular. Free speech is not unfettered speech by any stretch of the Constitution.

          • rosemarienoa

            Why don’t you stay off these pages then ??? Are you a “rabble rouser”??

          • DrBillLemoine

            lol I’ve roused some rabble in my teaching days. Do the same thing here. I was referring to responses to me as you might have guessed.

          • ezekiel22

            Doc you are quite ignorant when it comes to ISIS. You need to understand there motivation before you can combat them effectively. You need to examine their alliances and mission statement. If you seen the whole picture you might have to change your mind but we both know you are afraid of that don’t we. Unfortunately you confuse knowledge and fear on so many things.
            I would like to see from you citing the small percentage of violent islamists. Cite the numbers of those that support their actions. They are out there believe me. Cite the numbers that tolerate or are sympathetic to them. You cannot because that would nullify your arguments.

          • DrBillLemoine

            An all time low here. You can’t prove a negative. There’s no way to know who supports something if they never act. Ridiculous statement/request from you. I think you and your ilk are mesmerized by the terms ‘caliphate’, ‘Muslim’ terrorists’, and similar propaganda from ISIL. As I’ve said to others, and bears repeating here for you, every post displaying recognition, every statement of fear about ISIL and Islam, fulfills precisely what they intend in their social media propaganda. You are their best target for your irrational fear of a handful of barbarians and criminals (hiding behind the Qu’ran they don’t abide), for repeating their name and details of Daesh, and spreading this word in posts even to me. Wake up. Stop helping the enemy spread their ideas and fear factor.

          • ezekiel22

            Stop confusing knowledge with fear. I just to told you to check out some information to get a fuller picture of what is going on. I could have told you of a CAIR official denouncing Memorial Day. But I did not. I could have told you of other events occuring overseas to illustrate my points but I chose not to. What I told you to check out was what is happening here now. The reason for that is what you say and what reputable polls have said are different. Since they are public knowledge and not right leaning sources you should access them.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Confusion–it’s you and your folks who get knowledge, say, of ISIL and generate fears in self and others. There’s no confusion there as it’s seen by everybody world wide. I am very fussy about inputs and vet sources carefully–not including your YouTube, Fox (comedy) News, Rush, O’Reilly and the like. You deal in discrete anecdotes while I follow trends and movements discovered by science. Remember ‘valid and reliable’ polls follow science, not your politics.
            Also remember public knowledge, common knowledge, and common sense aren’t always sound and credible. Check your sources, I’ve always said.

          • William

            Still pretending to be a Christian?

          • DrBillLemoine

            Once saved, always saved.

          • William

            Right, and one day you may be saved

          • William

            Do you ever cite the Bible?
            I guess you have to actually read it it.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Live the Way, cite when necessary.

          • William

            Cite one verse.

          • DrBillLemoine

            John 3:16, For God so loved the world…

          • William

            Wow, part of probably the most well known verse of the NT.
            But why not cite the whole verse?

            Jhn 3:16
            For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

          • DrBillLemoine

            The thing is living the Way, not quoting it to non-believers or apostates or reprobates.

          • William

            You don’t believe what the Bible says. You cite John 3:16 and yet you to not believe what it says. It says that whoever believes in Jesus will not perish, not whoever lives the way.
            As for not quoting it to non- believers-

            Rom 10:17
            Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

            Rom 10:14
            How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

            Jesus entire ministry was preaching to non-believers.

            Like I said, you too can be saved if you will just believe.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Your reprobate point of view indicates one can believe and then murder, rape, steal, etc. contrary to the life Christ led. Gospel is more than a few words, it’s actions. Faith without works is dead. You have a head knowledge, but little understanding of scripture for Christians. Our walk is to be on the strait and narrow, something you ignore at your peril on Judgment Day. Clearly you are not open for edification as required of the faithful. You have not agreed with my pointed and necessary explication of how you can tell a Christian. What’s in your heart is coming to the fore. Sure you’ve been baptized, a new creature???

          • William

            Again, we who are saved have been baptized by the Holy Spirit.

            Mar 1:8 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

            You are born again, born a second time, when you are baptized with the Holy Spirit.

            This comes about by believing in Jesus, not by what you do.

            Jhn 3:18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

            Jhn 1:12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

            It does not say to those that live in the way.

            I, as a child of God, am not subject to judgment, but you are, because you do not believe.

            Jhn 5:24“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

            You really should read the Bible.

          • William

            What does this verse mean?

          • ezekiel22

            Listen up Mr. Doc. You keep trying to interject the brainless leftwing type thinking and if not accepted you denigrate. Typical and illogical. You falsely claim to be open to edification not proffering examples to back up that outlandish claim. BTW Christians do rise up against injustices and even take up arms to fight. You are lucky enough to live in a country that was established by Christians that did fight and die for it. The left does not like to hear that truth but there ya go.
            You are dead wrong concerning islam. Better check the opposing views and examine their findings both recent and in the past. Pillars be damned read more. The organization known as CAIR loves your dhimmi attitude as it blinds you. CAIR was founded by the Muslim Brotherhood who founded HAMAS a known terrorist organization as well as being a unidicted co-conspirator in 911 and is a recognized terrorist organization in other countries. Yes that means Arab countries too. That should make you think but you will not. Instead you will contribute to the death of others by your compliance. You will call me xenophobic failing to asdmit that Arab countries are refusing refugee immigration out of fears of terrorism. I guess they are xenophobic too. I prefer to call it islamo-knowledgeable.

          • DrBillLemoine

            First, I do my research and thinking before blogging. I don’t expect to get new input to change a mind. Conversely my audience by their comments does not think or do research very deeply, mostly learning by hearsay or unreliable and invalid sources. The brainless crack applies to most responders to me.
            FYI (pilgrims aside) it was not for religious but business type taxation issues that formented rebellion in the colonies. Christianity was endemic among the founders but not the reason they rebelled against George III.
            Pillars be damned–how about Gospel be damned? It’s nonsense you spout when Muslims follow their actual religion, not reprobates or apostates, as in criminals and barbarians conducting jihad for ISIL when over a billion Muslims are peaceful worldwide.
            What causes deaths is 47 Senators giving aid and comfort to enemy Iran during nuke-suppression negotiations. What caused 2800 deaths was GIs fighting an unwarranted, underarmored, and inadequately staffed war in Iraq. That’s your pals.
            Actually it’s you who don’t dig deep and blithely parrot the party line with your own clever twists on issues we share in the blogs. It takes deep thinking and extensive background data to make valid conclusions, something the far right doesn’t do.
            In the end you show more shallow knowledge and thinking. Shia and Sunni and other sects in the middle east are historic enemies and don’t condone immigration in their co-equal but different sects. Sorta like Southern whites don’t want black, Catholics or Jews, let alone Muslims, anywhere near them. Trump carries this to the extreme with no Muslims allowed to immigrate, just like the base republicans he fronts. Are you with them of the moderate republicans, independents and others who see what I do and want to maintain American traditions? I think I know the answer.

          • ADRoberts

            Peaceful? You are the one deceived. Taqiyya. and muruna. And I bet you have never even heard of them or know what part they play in Islam. lol

          • DrBillLemoine

            What I know is the 5 Pillars of Islam. That’s what drives my 1.6 billion peaceful Muslims. You can’t see the forest for the criminal barbarian trees in ISIL. You should take a hint from Trump and try courting not alienating Muslims.

          • ADRoberts

            Then you only know the propaganda that the violent wicked lustful muslims want you to know.
            Now, just like I said, you refused to tell me or the others here what your job is. Just like I predicted.
            So what are you hiding?
            Until you are transparent, NOTHING you say will be believed or accepted. Just like the deceptive muslims.
            Now tell me about how peaceful those muslims are who kill their own wives and daughters. I guess this means that you are just ask lacking in respect for the females of the world as the muslims are.
            Tell me how peaceful they are toward Christians. Show me a single imam or cleric who is not instructing his “flock” to kill Christians or those who decline to become muslims.
            Yes, you have deceived. And worse. You actually embrace it.
            “There is none so blind as the one who will not see.”.
            My guess is that the FIRST time you will realize what a bad mistake you have made is when they are cutting off your head.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Unlike you ultra conservatives, I get my data from a variety of sources to cull the truth regardless of slant. None of them are Muslim sources, but I notice neocons repeat verbatim the ISIL propaganda lines and express the required fear component as they intend.
            Ever hear of Google? You can find my jobs via resume’ online.
            You still fail to distinguish ISIL criminals and barbarians from the 1.6 peaceful Muslims. Till then we can’t discuss differences. That’s you acting blind.
            Nobody’s coming to harm me. More irrational fear.

          • ADRoberts

            So name your sources. You don’t like what I said. Prove that YOUR sources are ACCURATE. You can’t. All you can say is that YOU BELIEVE THEM.
            Then you use terms designed to be derogatory, like “neocons” and “repeat verbatim”. It is for effect and has nothing to do with fact.
            Now you have ignored two important points and definitely for a purpose of deception.
            1. Are you a muslim
            2. What is your “job” that you deal with muslims?
            I don’t need to google you. You can just admit who you are. BUT YOU WON’T.
            Oh, and about “no one is coming to harm you”. Tell that to the dead in Paris, in California. in the Egyptian air plane, to the Christians in Kenya, and Sudan.
            Yes. I see that you are practicing taqiyya and muruna.
            But you won’t admit anything. And amazingly enough, you think you are getting away with it.
            Now, I am waiting for your next comeback where you again, refuse to admit the truth.

          • DrBillLemoine

            No reader proves what reporters write or say. It’s more nonsense from you. But input from a wide variety of broadcast and print media with discussions by experts where one can get them provides a good picture of reality or truth. I’ve been a strong advocate that reporters are now conducting better interview and news gathering tactics to drill down to truth and eliminate conflicts with, say, politicians. This doesn’t include biased sources like Fox (comedy) News, Beck, Hannity, Rush and right wing candidates like Trump or Cruz.
            Criticize my terminology if you like but my positions are justified and ‘believed’ by most of the nation.
            I’ve said repeatedly that I’m a Christian. Guess you are a newcomer to blogs and don’t know me. Google me for information or simply stop wasting space asking. It’s a smokescreen to hide your lack of date and positions and arguments on the issues.
            Your extensive knowledge of Islam makes me suspicious of you and your motives for attacking me instead of dealing with the issues raised.

          • ADRoberts

            You are right. We don’t PROVE what a reporter says. But we DO decide who to hear and believe. And that is why I don’t listen to Scott Pelley or Lester Holt. That is why some of them are no longer on. They got caught lying. And I bet you still believe what they told you as truth.
            Next question. How do you determine who is an EXPERT? I know. Someone will tell you who they are. And you believe them.

          • ADRoberts

            Yes and tell me how that “drilling down” worked for Megan Kelly. If you are an insider, they cover for you. Just like they covered for Trump. lol
            And then you go and make all those derogatory statements about “”Fox(comedy) News, Beck, Hannity, Rush and right wing candidates like Trump and Cruz.” That shows that you are as radical a liberal as can be found. And you are proud of it.
            And your CLAIM to being a Christian is just as believeable as Trump’s claim.
            You are just careful NOT to make any real statements as to your actual beliefs that would betray just how worthless you are to God.
            Then instead of admitting who you are, you demand that I go are research who you are. So let’s get this straight. Jesus said that IF you are ashamed of Him before men, He will be ashamed of YOU before His Father. A REAL Christian is ALWAYS ready to re-affirm his total trust and faith in Jesus. But NOT YOU. You are embarrassed that I would ask you such questions.
            THAT amounts to you being ASHAMED of Jesus. So I looked you up on this site info and found that you have only 12,000 or so comments But you have made sure that the number of likes is not listed. I am confident that I know why.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Kelly, like most Fox on air employees, is a beauty queen, not a reporter.
            You should know better by my posts, I’m no radical. But to the ultra right wing, progressive is radical I know.
            Your post this time is blasphemy toward God. Guess we discerned you correctly. I try not to scatter pearls before. . . . You haven’t the spirit in you for such discernment.
            Another morsel for you to chew on–no educator, preacher, lawyer waits for ‘likes’ to broadcast truth.

          • ADRoberts

            Ignored. You are rejected.

          • ADRoberts

            Then you come up with a claim that I lack “date and position and argument on issues”. Are you kidding. That is so bogus.
            But it remains there is ONE place that you can TESTIFY and prove that you are a real follower of Jesus Christ and not just a “Christian in Name only”.
            John 14:12. It says “HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME WILL……..” No excuses, No exceptions. No exemptions. Now testify. Do you do what Jesus did? Do YOU perform miracles. If not, you are NOT a believer.
            And by the way. I can make such statements in my GIFT OF THE SPIRIT of being an exhorter. I bet you have never heard of Exhorter and don’t know what they do.
            God have mercy on you.
            Now, I don’t attack muslims. I just point out the facts of what they are doing. But then, if you weren’t so determined to defend them, you would know that by JUST LISTENING TO THE NEWS.

          • DrBillLemoine

            More confusion by you that might pass muster for weak right wing pew warmers, but not me. Miracles are not talents. Read and study some more.
            And yet another conflation of distinct issues. ISIL fighters are not Muslims.

          • ADRoberts

            Rejected. Just like you reject Jesus Christ and His requirements on you.

          • ADRoberts

            I just had a revelation. You are a muslim, aren’t you.

    • Athanasios1

      And so you choose Hitlary instead?

      • DrBillLemoine

        As first lady, as NY Senator, as Clinton Global Initiative executive, and lately as SecState, Hillary has advanced laudible and needed actions to support people–not profits, not her pals’ governing hegemony, not herself per se. The record is clear if you simply look for yourself.
        Here’s a simple listing you could find online yourself:

        “First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College. Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School. Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic. Former civil litigation attorney. Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law. Former First Lady of Arkansas. Former First Lady of the United States, and the first FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree. First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate. Elected by the… State of New York to serve two terms in the United States Senate. Former US Secretary of State. GRAMMY Award Winner. Author. Self proclaimed Pantsuit Aficionado

        • Athanasios1

          Four Americans died in the 2012 Benghazi attack: Ambassador Stevens, Information Officer Sean Smith, and two CIA operatives, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, both former Navy SEALs. Stevens is the first U.S. ambassador killed in an attack since Adolph Dubs was killed in 1979. All this was done as a terror attack on the Embassy and Hitlary lied to help get Barack Hussein Obama re-elected and keep her job. Then Hitlary lied and blamed a Jew in California for making a video degrading the child molester Mohammed. She stood by her serial rapist husband and degraded women that brought rape charges against him. Chinagate – The Clinton-Gore campaign in 1996 allegedly took bribes from Chinese banks and their government to help their dwindling poll numbers. The Chinese embassy in D.C. helped siphon funds into the DNC. Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown (who was killed in a plane crash), and at Hillary’s instruction reportedly sold seats on department trade missions to China. Joint congressional hearings were canceled after Democrats threatened to bring up Republican campaign issues and then Monica Lewinsky actually saved this scandal from media attention.

          Travelgate Scandal – Catherine Cornelius, a 25-year-old cousin of Bill’s was allegedly promised the position of director of the travel office. Hillary Clinton then (indirectly) fired seven employees from the United States travel office and replaced them with associates from Arkansas. Records were either nowhere to be found or incorrectly filed. And, there’s a reported attempt to give a White House airline contract to friend. Hillary had the FBI investigate Billy Dale, the head of the travel office, ruining his career who was found to do nothing wrong, but was then audited by the IRS for three years after.

          “Billy Dale and his family went through hell thanks to the Clintons, Attorney General Janet Reno, the FBI and the IRS,” Irvine wrote. “Hillary’s greatest crime was not perjury, it was trying to send an innocent man to prison to justify having fired him and his staff without cause.”

          “A memorandum by a former Presidential aide depicts Hillary Rodham Clinton as the central figure in the 1993 travel office dismissals, a politically damaging episode that the aide said had resulted from a climate of fear in which officials did not dare question Mrs. Clinton’s wishes,” wrote the NYT in 1996.

          Whitewater Scandal – Hillary and her husband were partners in a shady real estate development firm called Whitewater Development Corp in Arkansas. Accusations of impropriety against the Clintons and others soon surfaced, regarding improper campaign contributions, political and financial favors, and tax benefits. Clinton’s friends and majority owners, James and Susan McDougal were jailed for fraud, Clinton’s successor, Governor Jim Tucker, was jailed for fraud along with municipal judges David Hale and Eugene Fitzhugh who worked with James McDougal. The Clintons walked away unscathed, having apparently done nothing wrong.

          See Whitewater Timeline.

          Vince Foster Jr. Mystery – Questions cloud the suicide of Vince Foster, former colleague, friend, and White House aid of Hillary’s who had connections to Travelgate, and the Whitewater scandals. Read the link above entitled “The Man Who Knew too Much. . .”

          Filegate Scandal – Craig Livingstone, director of the White House’s Office of Personnel Security “improperly” accessed FBI files on several hundred individuals.

          Mrs. Clinton called it a, “completely honest bureaucratic snafu.”

          Many of these files were on people from previous Republican administrations. Hillary Clinton hired Livingston and is alleged to have looked at the files and requested this move. She was accused by Republicans of violating privacy rights of individuals she viewed as political adversaries.

          Cattle-Futures Miracle – Hillary’s first commodity trade was in cattle futures where she ordered 10 futures contracts which normally cost $12,000 dollars with only $1,000 dollars in her account. This turned into $6,300 dollars by the next morning and after 10 months totaled $100,000, with trading help from James B. Blair.

          “Blair, who at the time was outside counsel to Tyson Foods Inc., Arkansas’ largest employer, says he was advising Clinton out of friendship, not to seek political gain. . .” reports The WashingtonPost.

          Robert L. “Red” Bone ran the Springdale, AK financial services company REFCO allowed the trades and later, after investigation, had to pay the largest fine at the time in the exchanges history and was suspended for three years. Hillary Clinton said she was able to make the successful trading because she read the Wall Street Journal for research.

          Lootergate – Bill and especially Hillary started to ship White House furniture to their personal home in Chappaqua, N.Y.. The Clintons claimed they were donated, but at only some were proven to be donated and meant to stay in the White House after contacting the manufacturers. The Clintons returned some of the furniture after pressure was put on them to do so.

          “GOP lawmakers and others criticized Hillary Rodham Clinton in particular for accepting many presents just before she joined the Senate and became covered by strict ethics rules that prohibit accepting gifts worth more than $50.”

          Drug Dealer Donor Scandal – Convicted drug trafficker Jorge Cabrera apparently made such a big donation to the Clinton’s campaign that he was invited to the White house without Secret Service present.

          Ponzi Scheme and Political Favor Scandal – Norman Yung Yuen Hsu was a convicted pyramid investment promoter, and major Democratic donor. He contributed an undisclosed amount to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign.

          “He was sentenced to more than 24 years in prison in 2009 by a judge who accused him of funding his fraud by manipulating the political process in a way that ‘strikes at the very core of our democracy.”

          Here is an article posted in the New York Times in 1996 entitled “Blizzard of Lies” about Hillary Clinton.

          The mega Clinton Foundation is also rife with cronyism and political favors.

          For a larger list of scandals associated with the Clintons, check out The Clinton Crime Library.

          • DrBillLemoine

            There is no embassy in Benghazi, only a temporary consulate. No one has disputed the attack as attached to publication of a negative Muslim videotape which sparked riots in other African/Asian cities at the same time. Pay attention to facts, not just republican propaganda.
            Then you display little understanding of loyalty and faithfulness of a spouse to her partner. Sad.
            None of this has an influence on her judgment, experience and odds of becoming our 45th president. Get over it. Your following list of grievances is tiresome and has long past been dismissed by the American public.

          • Athanasios1

            Facts are facts. And you are a Blind liberal Democrat/Communist that works against the U.S. You must be an educator. Yes?

          • DrBillLemoine

            And you don’t know what you are talking about.

          • Athanasios1

            You are a lying liberal that supports leftists like Hitlary. But as Hitlary says, “What difference does it make?” She will never win.

          • DrBillLemoine

            Hillary is still waging a primary campaign to become Democratic nominee. When she reaches the magic number, you’ll see the numbers change in a hurry.

          • Athanasios1

            This list has been dismissed only by Blind liberal Democrats/Communists.

          • DrBillLemoine

            That leaves us progressives who deal with facts and reality in thinking. Your list is ancient history and long ago debunked.

          • Athanasios1

            What reality? You regressive idiots think a man can feel feminine and use a ladies room. You are all morons with all your liberal opinions. The good thing is that if Hitlary wins, and the Moslems pass sharia law, the first slaughtered will be you crazy liberals.

          • DrBillLemoine

            The world takes common sense and straight thinking to survive. You far right ideologues and conspiracy mongerers are not real. Transgenders are not ‘feeling feminine’ and opt for a ladies room. There’s much more to it, suitable dressing, looks and for adults a regimen of hormones, counseling and adjustment. Just because you don’t understand those things doesn’t make your opposition ‘morons’. Quite the opposite considering your intolerance for others. Try to stop inflating the minuscule and developing full blown phobias at the drop of a hat, or NC law. Try to understand how large a number 1.6 billion peaceful Muslims represents. Try to feel safe with our extensive law enforcement agencies.

          • Athanasios1

            There is even less than a temporary consulate now, thanks to the ignorance of Hitlary and her moronic supporters.

          • DrBillLemoine

            I don’t know how temporary stands in Libya, but regardless our ambassador was a free spirit always going into harms way to meet the people of his country. He was doing his job to the max against ordinary standards of conduct, regardless of his boss.

  • joe

    A very wise man once said, “Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer”.

    • USAgent

      Yea well, That works both ways.

    • Loretta Stacey

      In the next room where they can do the most damage.

    • ADRoberts

      No it was a compromiser and a person much like Chamberlain.
      Now, smart guy, tell us how it worked to try to keep Hitler appeased? Can you name a single tyrant in all of history who you could deal with, except as a slave. LOL
      But this is EXACTLY what I expect from a Trumpster. You will do and say anything to defend your “precious”.

      • PC Bob

        Just as Trump will do and say anything to get elected. I thought he was different, an ‘outsider’? He sure is sounding like a seasoned politician, to me! LIE and LIE and LIE, just so long as they vote for you! Are people REALLY that stupid, that they can’t SEE this?

        • peter Pirzadeh

          You just describe the decay in Hillary’s conduct. Lie, Lie, and Lie some more. And, do anything to get elected. It is amazing how people see what they want to see when exact same thing the accuse of their opponent is what their candidate espouses to.

        • David Tierney

          What is the alternative, Hillary?
          I will take Trump every time.
          He wants to put a temporary halt on Muslims and immigrants invading America. Not a permanent halt on all, until the broken system is fixed. And the Muslims he is courting, are Conservative and Republican.
          How does any of this make him a liar. You want to see a liar, look at the present POTUS or the lying bitch trying to replace him.
          Trump in November

          • bobnstuff

            He has said the all Muslims need to be watched, registered and kept out. These are our citizens as well as foreigners. I know Trump talks a lot so missing things he says happens but Muslim Republicans were not at first given special treatment. He is in fact flip flopping once again. Just like with the Hispanics. He’s a snake oil salesman, he will say anything to make the sale.

          • David Tierney

            I ask the question again. What is the alternative, Hillary? Sanders?
            Again, I’ll take Trump. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
            PS. check your facts.

          • bobnstuff

            Libertarian, the true conservative party.

          • Roger

            Here is what Trump will do!
            Donald Trump will close our borders, he will deport the illegal alien criminals and build a wall, he will create real jobs, not paper jobs like Obama and he will bring American companies back to America! Donald Trump will reduce the national debt and balance the budget! Donald Trump will make sure that our military is the mightiest fighting force in the world, he will unite the good people of the world and terrorism will be eradicated from the face of the earth. No person running for President can do these things, except Donald Trump! No person running for President seems to want to do these things,except DONALD J. TRUMP! NO ONE, PERIOD! Donald Trump is not a racist, he doesn’t have anything against immigrants of any nationality that are in America legally, he only wants to deport illegal alien criminals and even, every legal immigrant should want that too! Donald Trump will make America greater than she’s ever been! DONALD TRUMP is a LEADER! If anyone thinks that DONALD TRUMP can’t do these things and more, vote him, your next PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICAN and you will be pleasantly surprised!

          • Roger

            Here is what Hillary Benghazi Clinton has done!

            Hillary Clinton is a total failure! She failed at everything she ever tried to do except lying, she is really good at that.

            1. While Secretary of State she failed to react to pleas for help from our Embassy in Benghazi, Libya, that failure cost four Americans including Ambassador Chris Stevens their lives!

            2. The administration tried to blame the attack on a video, which they knew was false! Hillary Clinton was part of this conspiracy because she was Secretary of State and did not refute this claim even though there was no way that she could not have known it was false.

            3. Hillary Clinton and her husband stole government property when they left the White House, now I don’t think after eight years they didn’t know what they were doing was illegal and that the property they stole did not belong to them.

            4. While Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton used a private, unsecured email server to send and receive emails which she knew was illegal, while putting our national security at risk. She said others did it that’s why she did it. So it seems even if it is wrong, in her opinion it is right if someone else did it.

            5. While Secretary of State six billion dollars went missing from the State Department! That is taxpayer money, I am a taxpayer and I want to know where my money is!

            6. Just recently Hillary Clinton stated that no Americans lives were lost in Libya while she was Secretary of State. I guess she didn’t know that Benghazi was in Libya. Imagine that, a Secretary of State that doesn’t know her geography! These four Americans died in Benghazi, Libya, Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, Information Management officer, Sean Smith, Navy Seals, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.

            7. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war in exchange for 20 billion dollars, promised to her by then President, George W. Bush. Supposedly for the rebuilding of New York City?

            8. Let’s not forget Whitewater and Vince Foster!

            9. Now we have Bill Clinton visiting polling places in an underhanded attempt to influence voters.

            10. When it comes to lying or telling the truth, this is what I heard Hillary Clinton say in an interview with Scott Pelley, she said I have always tried to tell the truth and I don’t believe I ever lied. What? You tell the truth or you don’t, there is no try. She doesn’t think she lied? I don’t believe I ever did anything that I didn’t know I did. If I told a lie, I would know it!

            11. Hillary Clinton even failed in marriage as everyone knows, they also know what went on in the oval office. Any other woman would have divorced her husband except for a woman pursuing a political agenda. Hillary doesn’t love her husband, she is using him for her own political gain.

            12. The establishment, the liberals and the media, slammed Donald Trump for not immediately denouncing David Duke’s endorsement but they say nothing about Hillary Clinton who was close friends with Robert Byrd, a former KKK member and chapter leader. I don’t care how much good one does it cannot erase the past. Byrd was a member of a gang of sheet clad bigots and thugs that maimed and killed people just because they were different much like the terrorists, Isis does now. It doesn’t matter whether or not Byrd was directly involved in any maiming or killings, he is guilty by association. Byrd’s claim that during his time in the KKK there was no violence, BS, he doesn’t know what other members did when he wasn’t around! Besides I don’t believe him, violence was and still is their agenda!

            David Duke a former member of the KKK also served in the political arena, so why is one former KKK member better than another? Robert Byrd and David Duke were members of a bigoted hate group, that maimed and killed for their own self serving agenda. Robert Byrd and David Duke both have blood on their hands, whether or not they were personally involved in any maiming or murders, simply put Robert Byrd and David Duke were terrorists.

          • MarcoPolo

            Strangely, Trump seems compelled to bring jobs back to America, but like most Industrialists, his desire for larger profit margins dictate that those manufacturing jobs be done in countries where they can pay pennies on the dollar compared to having the same tasks done in the States for much more. So I doubt that he will be successful convincing companies to return to America.
            It’s all talk!

            You Sir, have definitely “drunk the Koolaid”
            And I wish you luck.

            Go Bernie Sanders, GO!!!!

          • Roger

            That isn’t what he said you idiot! He said there needs to be a temporary halt to Syrian refugees entering the country until we can check them out and know who we are letting in, as making sure no terrorists are coming in you stupid SOAB!

          • bobnstuff
          • MarcoPolo

            No matter how angry you get, there is no need to call anybody, names!
            Try and control your emotions, please!

          • gavinwca

            How can you fix a problem, if you refuse to talk to people.

          • MarcoPolo

            And exactly how do your Muslim friends or family feel about that policy idea?

        • ADRoberts

          Hide and watch. The longer time goes on and he continues to reveal who he really is, the more desperate those who support him will become. Yes, they would riot if he does not get the nomination. He incites his followers to lawlessness.

          • Roger

            He already has the nomination and he is going to be your next President, get used to it! When it is time for Donald Trump to debate the murderess of Benghazi, he will chew her up and spit her out! He will crush her like the bug she is! He will totally destroy her if she is stupid enough to show up! The best thing she could do is concede the election to TRUMP otherwise she is going to end up in an insane asylum!

          • ADRoberts

            “GET used to it”. That is a sure fired indication of a Trumpster.
            Now get this. If the “Christians” of America had as much blind faith in Jesus Christ as the BLIND faith that you have in Trump, we would not be in trouble. That is directly out of II Chronicles 7:14.
            FOR SURE. You are going to find yourself in the position of being embarrassed, ashamed and unwilling to admit that HE PLAYED YOU.

        • jnora

          Yes, Trump in November and AD Roberts may as well get used to the idea that Cruz is yesterday’s news and to not vote all is vote for Hillary! He had better get with the program so we can save our country. I am out of here.

      • gavinwca

        At least our precious, is natural born and eligable.

        • ADRoberts

          Bu whose definition? And you show just how ignorant you are by not being able to even spell eligible.
          Nothing like LOW INFORMATION type people to support a Trojan Horse.
          Time will tell. He pretended to be a conservative. He WILL show just how liberal he is when he continues ALL of the programs and efforts of Obama.
          And your admission also shows your ignorance. Your “precious”: is in reference to the ring of power that Gullums was fanatically locked on. And you are just like Gollums. Locked on a person whose only desire is POWER.

      • joe

        Actually, Mr ADRoberts, you have complete misunderstanding of that phrase, “keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer”.

        • ADRoberts

          No, I did not misunderstand it. But you did misapply it. There is NO WAY to deal with muslims except to surrender and or die.
          Your contention is that you can DEAL with them. After all, Trump is PROUD of his being able to deal. What and you have yet to understand is that there is no dealing with pure evil.

          • joe

            You have just proved, again, that you lack understanding of that phrase.

          • ADRoberts

            Repeating yourself does not make a win. It simply means you have nothing else to say and have admitted defeat.

          • joe

            It is your freedom of choice to understand or to ignore. Have a nice, neo-liberal controlled life.

          • ADRoberts

            Blatant, unsubstantiated lie.
            There is nothing about me that is any kind of liberal.
            I have challenged you belore. Prove that you are more conservative than me.
            The ONLY think you exceed me in is your selfishness.

          • joe

            We have agreed in the past just as we have disagreed. Like any two humans, you and I have differing opinions and goals.
            The phrase (or at least the concept thereof) over which our current discussion is centered, “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”, is from Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War”.
            Restated, it means that one’s enemies pose more of a threat so it would be wise to keep a close eye on their actions, so keep the enemy in front where he is easily monitored.
            ‘k?

          • ADRoberts

            Oh, I fully under stand the concept. But I also believe that there is a point in time and a certain group of wicked people who are so bad that even being close to them will do damage.
            History has proven that they are there. Men who simply cannot be dealt with, who, if they compromise, it is only until the next time they decide to push for THEIR agenda. (Think liberals in Congress. Think the evil Nancy Pelosi and her arrogant claim, “you have to pass this bill to see what is in it)
            This was true of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, many of our union leaders, mafia heads, a few of our SCOTUS justices including FOUR who now sit on the bench.
            Even Trump, with his brag about “being able to do the deal” is exactly one of them. Look at the vicious way he attacks EVERYONE who even might be a threat to HIS plans of CONTROL.
            No, I stand by what I said. There are many out there who are SOOOO bad that being in their vicinity is nothing but danger.

          • joe

            “There are many out there who are SOOOO bad that being in their vicinity is nothing but danger.”….LOL!
            I have a buddy that is like that but, dammit, there are *some* folks that one likes no matter what.
            O well
            BTW, are you a veteran? I may have asked you in the past but I don’t recall.
            Now, don’t jump on my Altzheimer’s…I have a _good_ memory, it’s just short.

          • ADRoberts

            Not a veteran in the strictest sense. I spent 6 years guarding Texas. I came very close. Applied for OCS as a pilot as was accepted. Then met my soon to be wife and decided that military life was tough for wives. Asked the recruiter what would happen if I did not show up. He said I would be AWOL unless I was already in the service.
            In some ways, I regret not going for it. But my wife’s uncle was an Air Force Colonel. And he stated that I would have washed out as soon as they measured me again and found that my sitting height exceeded 40 inches.
            Water under the bridge.

          • Roger

            Trump has already won!
            A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which GOD has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that TYRANNY begins. “Benjamin Franklin”

          • ADRoberts

            God has nothing to do with Trump. And Trump has proven that time after time.
            You are not well informed. You ignore so much that he has done, lied and attacked. And you want to say, “well informed”? LOL.
            Now quote a known atheist who even in his disbelief acknowledged the need for God in society.
            Hide and watch. The closer Trump gets to the nomination, the more he will flip back to what he really is.
            Just FOUR years ago, he was totally liberal on ALL issues. And right now, he is even getting stronger on the 2nd Amendment. Not because he actually IS a supporter of the 2nd. It is because he is aware that, AS BAD as Hitlery is, she is still beating him in the polls.
            So he does what he ALWAYS DOES. He says CONSERVATIVE things.
            Now you HAVE to account for:
            1. Foul mouth
            2. Pro amnesty actions and words. Like being fined one million for hiring illegals and claiming that we still need MORE immigrants because we have a shortage of workers in some areas. Want to stop the shortage? Cut off welfare and disabilities for pathetic excuses over ONE MILLION people used in the last couple of years to GO ON DISABILITY.
            3. Bragging about seducing married women.
            4. Bragging about still supporting eminent domain. ( Want to bet he would use it against Bundy?)_
            5. Admitted to the NYTimes that he is not going to build ANY wall.
            6. Mistakenly told Kim Davis to “obey the law of the land:. She was.
            7. Told NC to leave things the way there were. Right. Charolotte, NC. had already opened Pandoras’ Box. AND HE KNEW IT.
            8. And don’t forget all those people he smeared and insulted like Fiorina and Carson. I could care less if he smears Rubio, the traitor.
            9.. Said that he admired Hillary. Said that he favored universal health care. Says that he supported “choice” Says that he supports homosexual marriage. Says that his PRO-ABORTION sister would make a very good SCOTUS.
            And by the way, his list of SCOTUS possibles is just more words and the list was intentionally the most conservative.
            10. How about his claim that he will MAKE jobs for American workers, when he has manufacturing plants in Mexico and China and he is NOT DOING A THING to bring them back.
            11. And then, a minor things. He claims to attend the Marble Collegiate Church. But they only will say that “HE IS NOT AN ACTIVE MEMBER”. LOL.
            12. And then to claim to be a Christian and then almost in the same period of time, brag that he NEVER asked God to forgive him for anything. If you don”t get that, it is basic to being a Christian that a person CONFESS their sins, ask for forgiveness and TURN away from sinning. SEE, he does not have a clue.
            And neither do you, if you support him.

          • Roger

            Vote for Hillary Benghazi Clinton if you have a desire to die!

      • Roger

        Who is directly responsible for the death of four AMERICANS in Benghazi? Hillary Clinton! Who took a 20 billion bribe to vote for the Iraq war, that has cost the lives of untold thousands of AMERICANS? Hillary Clinton! Who lost six billion dollars of taxpayer money? Hillary Clinton! Who lied about the attack on our Embassy in Benghazi? Hillary Clinton! Who said what difference at this point does it make, indicating that she didn’t give a flying fuck about the AMERICANS that died because of her failure to act? Hillary Clinton aka the murdering witch of Benghazi aka Hillary Benghazi Clinton! This poor excuse for a woman or even a human being isn’t fit clean toilets in a third world country and anyone that supports or votes for her isn’t either! Hillary Benghazi Clinton is a criminal and a walking scandal! How anyone could like this WPOS is beyond me. It has to be those that can’t or don’t read and believes what ever comes out of her lying mouth!

        • ADRoberts

          So you are and were against the Iraq war. Not a surprise. It was not the war that was the problem. It was the way we walked out and abandoned all the sacrifices. Who was DIRECTLY responsible for the deaths of the thousands in Iraq? Muslims who still hate us and will kill us given a chance. Including the hundreds of thousands that Obama is bringing in right now, to fight with us.
          I know more about Hillary than you apparently do. And YES, she is evil. But the FACT that so many millions of Americans are still supporting her is a sure fired indication that our nation has left God and gone after their OWN god. SELF.
          Now a lesson for you. The support for Hillary, Sanders and even Trump is for ONE reason. Self serving, self centered, VESTED interest.
          It is obvious with Sanders, promising all that FREE stuff as a communist. He will not deliver. Hillary has the same kind of support. But they have to be much more careful. A very large number of her supporters have one care accidents, plane crashes, and die mysteriousl.
          Trump has shown what he does. Just look at how he has treated ANYONE and EVERYONE who even might have been in his way. He is vicious. And he will not change as POTUS.
          Our nation is going down. We all know that. And we all should be able to see that it is for ONE reason. WE HAVE BECOME OUR OWN GODS.
          You too.
          And your fanatical support of Trump, while refusing to acknowledge a single fault, even with is MANY faults, is proof.

    • Merlinever

      Joe: Keeping your enemies close doesn’t mean showing them that you need their support.

      • joe

        I never said that nor did I intimate it. The original thinker, Sun Tzu, did not mean it that way either…..give it some thought.

    • jnora

      Cannot believe you guys have not kicked AD Roberts out of this discussion. I have warned you that he ruins every discussion he enters, so don’t say you haven’t been told!

      • joe

        I have talked with ADRoberts in other threads and I enjoy his repartee. Sometimes, we even agree on matters…

        • jnora

          Well, then, I suppose he has not blamed you for your son’s suicide. How dare he blame a grieving mother for her son’s suicide when he was mentally ill and he hadn’t spoke to her for 3 years. His suicide had nothing to do with me. His last words to me were “I love you.” So, AD, you will have to answer for that before the Lord on Judgement Day…remember that. You say the most hurtful things to people. It is like you love doing that. That is not a kind person like the Christian you call yourself should be. That is not judging…that is just expecting what you call yourself. Why don’t you just try to agree to disagree. Cruz is out of it and Trump is the ONLY chance for this country. He says everything I believe in and if you would take two minutes to listen to him, you would see that you agree with him, also. We are going to have to overlook his private life and his past. He is our only hope. Try to be a little forgiving…that is the Christian way, A.D.

  • used_to_be_a_liberal

    Why not try to bring them into the “fold” Why not try to Americanize them, re-educate them, at the same time No Sharia Law, and get rid of their so-called culture, and no Muslim communities, which become eventual no go zones, and a breeding ground for militants.
    Will it work, most likely not, are there a few that it could work for sure, but definitely not the majority. And the few that it might work for, can they be trusted or are they just pretending.
    Islam is a political agenda hidden under the guise of a so-called religion. A Muslim has only one true loyalty and that is to Islam, not to any country, not to any person, unless they are of the same mind, not to any family member[s] as evidenced by family killings re disobedience. Leave the cult and you are marked for death.
    But hey, for those of you of the religious far right, there is a bonus for you. Muslims are more anti-gay then you are, and they are definitely anti-abortion.
    Throw the left a curve ball, since they coddle Muslims so much and are so tolerant, team up with Muslims, on gays and abortion, give them that voice, then watch the left-wits set themselves on fire.

    • American Me

      Very well said……THX

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        and thank you too

      • ADRoberts

        Not at all. He is still a liberal in so many issues. Including his HATRED for Christians. And why? Because Christians will not bow to him and accept the unnatural, sinful wicked actions of the perverse.

    • Texas001

      That all sound good but you couldn’t convert a muslim to your way of thinking in a 1000 years.

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        you are right, but I think that I as much as said that.

    • ADRoberts

      Well you were doing well until you decided to attack “the religious right”. We have nothing in common with muslims. You have yet to see a REAL Christian who attacks or kills a homosexual. But that does not stop your onslaught, does it? There is no bonus for anyone, including a tiny baby, being killed.
      Let’s put this concisely. You are as vicious in your attack on Christians as you are on muslims
      And that says LOADS about you and your bigotry and prejudice.
      Now learn. Christrians don’t hate the sinner. They DO NOT abide the sinner. And they will never tell you that it is okay to SIN.

      THAT is more likely to make you angry than a muslim killing a homosexual or a Christian. And just so you don’t forget. The muslims are killling far more Christians than they are homosexuals.

      YOU LOST.

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        A little sensitive are we. There was no attack on the religious right, or Christians in general.
        There is an anti gay, anti LGBT sentiment in this country, if not in most countries. People do detest, and despise the LGBT, and sometimes Q crowd.
        The Christian right is more vocal about it, and on abortion too.
        You are over-all correct when you say that the Religious Right, Christians in general, along with every other religion on this planet have nothing in common with Islam, and no we do not go around beheading people.
        However, the point that I was making, which is not an attack, is that the Religious Right are more adamant in their opposition to LBGT, and abortion, and there, there is a commonality, so if there was a joining on those two issues alone, it would set the left on fire, because of the catering, codling, over-tolerance, and bending over for Islam. The hierocracy of the left would be forced into the open

        • ADRoberts

          And in your zeal to defend the perverts, you DID attack Christians by comparing them to muslims.
          And your denial is so transparent in the lack of truth that NO ONE believes you treat Christians any better than you do muslims
          Now admit it. You are not and don’t even claim to be a REAL Christian.
          Now you split hairs. So you claim that our rejection of homosexual activity, which even nature and God and most people including children reject if you were to describe to them the ACTS that they do, equates to hating the personhood of the homosexual
          You don’t get it. God hates all sin. And yet, He is able to love the sinner. Do you understand that? Obviously not. Do you live a MURDER and still have the ability to hate the act of murder? No, you don’t because you don’t have the mind of God.
          Now take note. See how the attack on Christians for their refusal to bow and accept homosexuality is the greatest does and will continue while the LGBT community will not say a word against Muslims, who DO throw homosexuals off of very high buildings.

          Now I have shredded your attempt to excuse yourself. So let’s hear from you the same kind of analysis of muslims. LOL
          HYPOCRITE.

          • used_to_be_a_liberal

            The only hypocrite is you. You sound like you have not taken your morning meds. Go take your meds, then you might have a better chance of comprehending what I said.
            Now after reading your two rants, it has become obvious to me, and others who read your retort, that I am in fact a better Christian, and conservative then you are or ever will be, as you are by your comments, have made false accusations, have besmirched, slandered, basically bore false witness, you have displayed intolerance, bigotry, self importance, along with an holier then thou attitude. But don’t worry, since I am a much better Christian conservative then you are, I forgive you, especially since you display a measure of unstableness, possibly caused by a brain injury when you fell off that holier then thou high horse that you try to ride on. Oh and you do come across as a “liberal”

          • ADRoberts

            How often have I heard that. No, I don’t take mind meds. And you have proven that you lost, by resorting to such a smear.
            Now get this. There is no such thing as “better Christian”.
            Either you have fellowship with Jesus Christ or you don’t.
            Either you have the Holy Spirit so that you can obey John 14:12 OR you don’t.

            Now about that definition of “liberal”. That would be an distinct indication of just how warped you are.
            So let’s compare.
            I am monogamous for life. (age 67) Testify. How many sex partners have you had.
            I have never used tobacco products
            I have never used alcohol
            I have never used drugs illegally or that are illegal.
            I have been involved in at least FIVE MIRACLES. where I prayed and God answered.

            Your turn.
            Oh, and a liberal will not claim to do ANY of that.

        • ADRoberts

          Oh, and that first phrase, “A little sensitive are we.” is exactly what I would expect from a homosexual. It is called EFFEMINATE.

          • threebarrs

            Ive been reading all of this, and your remark is bu!!$hit! I don’t believe the phrase is a homosexual phrase or even an effeminate phrase. It is much more a high class, old school phrase based on the people I have heard use it during my lifetime – which has been quite a few years already.

          • ADRoberts

            Right. And I bet you also heard the word GAY used in the old days as being a grand time of fun. And you used RAINBOW to describe the promise of God to not flood the world. Not any more. Terms have been hijacked.

            And I and a lot of other people find that, “A little sensitive are we”. is a third person effeminate phrase, designed to be condescending.
            Now that I have laid it out for you, you go ahead and deny it again.
            And then I can ridicule you by saying. “A little sensitive are we.”. LOL

          • threebarrs

            Well, since America is still free, except for political correctness, I’m willing for you to have your opinion too. Guess I’m just too old (living under a rock too long), and dont know enough GAY people who make condescending remarks to be up-to-date on the use of “A little sensitive are we”. Thanks for the update.

          • ADRoberts

            An Observation for you.
            Jesus told his disciples that Christians, (who they were) were the SALT OF THE EARTH. That means that they actually preserved and saved society.
            The reason is simple. When Christians are respected and honored for being godly righteous people, the secular people of society keep their wicked, selfish desires in check.
            NOW we are in a time when Christians are ridiculed, accused of being dictatorial, and basically forced out of social and governmental positions.
            And that is why GAY and ATHEISTS and other wicked socialist, dictatorial people can take charge of the language and change words to mean something that REGULAR people have NO desire to see.
            We can’t refuse to acknowledge what they have done to WORDS, or we wind up being further ridiculed.
            Answer: II Chronicles 7:14.
            When God is called into action by HIS people following HIS instructions, then HE takes over and the wicked hide in shame.

    • CharlieSeattle

      Impossible! Taqiyya!

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        exactly right

    • PC Bob

      I really SERIOUSLY doubt whether Muslims, anywhere, have EVER been ‘civilized! They will go along only for so long, but eventually they will follow the edicts in their Quran, which tells them to kill the infidels everywhere they are found! Infidels, that’s US, you know. WE are their sworn enemies, because we see through the hypocrasy of Islam! They will NEVER ‘assimilate’! Just one look at Europe will tell you that!

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        I agree, and I was not talking about assimilation, that is a virtual impossibility. Islam is a political agenda, hidden under the guise of a so-called religion, that fits every definition of a cult. A Muslim has only one loyalty, and that is only to Islam.

    • SDofAZ

      The muslims here before the invasion do not like the newcomers. Do some research folks. They know who they are, where they come from, and what they represent. And many established muslims have voiced their own discontent with the BO administration and their actions. Some don’t want what the newcomers want.

  • Candice White

    Trump is a sneaky little POS.

    • used_to_be_a_liberal

      yup, sneaky, p o s nope. Sneaky, try manipulative but not the way that you are looking at it.

      • ADRoberts

        You, just like Trump, are still a liberal.

        • Athanasios1

          Nobody said Trump is perfect. But alt least he doesn’t defend an organization using U.S. Tax dollars to fund the murder of babies and selling their baby parts. Phoque Hitlary.

          • jug

            Oh, but he does still support PP! They do so much good!

            Wake up!

          • Athanasios1

            Only for other services. He does not support funding abortions with tax dollars.

          • jug

            What dont you get about abortion being by far the mainstay of PP?

            He is just as much a lying liberal, NY democrap as Hillary herself.
            Matter of fact, it was Bill Clinton, virtually Trumps life long friend that convinced him to run on the republican ticket, alledgly to protect HRC in the primaries!

            He has done his job SO WELL, that we now have absolutely NO republican OR conservative candidate even IN this election!
            Locked OUT, for at least the next 4 years!

          • Athanasios1

            Good. Next time find a real conservative candidate, not Canadian Citizen lying Ted.

          • jug

            First, Ted didnt lie!
            That was Trump smearing him, like he does all his opponets.
            It seams that that old Nazi/Communist/Saul Alinksky, “Lie big enough and often enough”, and sooner or later, the dumb people will believe it!

            And lastly, Ted Cruz is and always has been a Natrual Born American citizen!

          • Athanasios1

            Ted was not born in the United States, and therefore was UNQUALIFIED to run.

          • jug

            Oh, you mean like “dont touch a murder” if he hasnt commited another within the last 15 minutes?

            One cant support PP WITHOUT supporting abortion!

            And such govt support is the only tbing that will keep PP alive!
            Tax dollars!
            No way to seperate public support!

          • bobnstuff

            Only one problem with this statement is it’s not true. Tax dollars do not fund abortions, Planned Parenthood does sell body parts. Both stories were proven false.

          • Athanasios1

            The 1977 Hyde Amendment dictated that federal Medicaid funds could only be used to fund abortions in cases of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother. However, some states have expanded cases in which they will provide funds. Currently, 17 states allow funds to be used for “medically necessary” abortions. In those cases that these states count as medically necessary but that are not permitted by the federal guidelines, states cover the cost alone. This Medicaid money is what is used by Planned Parenthood to fund abortions. And yes, they lie pretending that the mothers “welfare” is at stake to cover their costs.

          • ADRoberts

            Absolutely amazing. No Trump DOES continue to give major money to Planned Parenthood, claiming that they do a lot of “GOOD” STUFF.
            He DOES still support abortions. He just says he is PROLIFE, just like he says a lot of other things that he THINKS conservatives want to hear. Like that question on who should be punished if abortion were illegal. First he said the woman should be jailed. He caught flack so he changed to something else. He caught flack again. Finally he said, “IT IS CONVOLUTED”
            This is his way of admitting that he had not figured out what conservatives wanted to hear him say.

            Forget the WALL. He has finally admitted that he never intended to build it.
            But he did nail it. It is what many wanted to hear. LOL>

          • Athanasios1

            Prove your statements about him “giving” to PP and the schtick about the wall.

          • ADRoberts

            Proof? I got the information from sites like this one and others just like it.
            Surely you don’t get it from the MSM.
            So let’s see if I can GOOGLE IT and find anything out. And there it is. CNN and LifeNews. and a lot of others.
            Now to the “wall” And there IT is too. The Hill, Bussfeed, CNN and a lot of others. Admitting that NYTimes will not release the transcript. But the FACT is that some who were there so hate Trump that THEY TOLD.

            Now, YOU could have looked it up. There is plenty of evidence. And it is not like it is a single source. He supports PP. The FIRST time I heard about was a news spot telling that he still gives to PP.

            I have observed that Trumpsters, simply refuse to admit that Trump does ANYTHING wrong. Amaxing since they also claim that everyone sins every day in word and deed. (Typical of those who attend the Church of Laodicea) Yes. I know. You have never heard of Laodicea and refuse to look it up either.

    • American Me

      You are wrong.Trump is a very smart businessman.He wrote the Book,The Art of the Deal.He knows exactly what he is doing and I and Millions of other Patriots believe he will be a great President.4 or 8 more years of the crap we have now and the America we love will only be a distant memory.

      • ADRoberts

        Wow. He wrote a ‘BOOK” And what did he say in his BOOK? He tells us all how to compromise his “principles” which he does not have,
        We have had decades of “compromise” with Establishment Republicans. And now you praise him for HIS ability to compromise? LOL

        I can see clearly now. Your moniker, “American Me” is just an extention of “AMERICAN WAY.”

        Guess what? We don’t believe you or accept your blind support for a fake Conservative.

      • jug

        You have been fooled again!
        Trump has called BOTH Obama and Putin, Great Leaders!
        (Including the finanicial support to install Obama as president)

        And said Hillary “Would make a great president”!

  • American Me

    I think this is great.Republicans and Trump are only against illegal immigration and Muslims from countries who cannot be vetted.It’s all about safety and getting control of our borders and our country.No country can survive unlimited,uncontrolled Immigration.We can’t afford it.

    • ADRoberts

      Wrong. We need to put a very tight restriction on ALL immigration. For now, the border needs to be CLOSED.
      1 We don’t need the workers as we have 20 million unemployed or underemployed.
      2. We don’t need even a single person coming over and immediately going on WELFARE.
      3. We don’t need a single person coming over and going on Medicaid.
      4.
      The only possible exception would be for CHRISTIANS who ARE dying at the hands of muslims around the world. And we have seen how Obama treats them. While bringing in young muslim men of fighting age (about 80% of the ‘refugees’) without any vetting, Obama is holding about 30 CHRISTIANS in jail in California. WHY? Because they are Christians and HE is a muslim.

      Now show us again how easy you are to deceived. (quote from Trump)

      • bobnstuff

        Do you ever check facts? You can’t complain about Obama’s minister and the call him a Muslim. your numbers on young men being 80% of the refugees is unsupported by fact, Illegals or for that matter anyone do not get medicare because of Obama since that program is a state run program like most welfare. Trump has stated in the past that we need to bring in works from other countries because of a shortage of workers here, look at the record. The Muslims are killing Muslims in vastly larger numbers then any other religion and it’s the Muslims that are doing the fighting against ISIS. Please do some fact checking before you rant.

        • ADRoberts

          Yes, I can. It is called LYIING. And for sure, Obama does that all the time. He did get a lot of HATE from that “Christian” minister, who is reported to have worked very hard to hide his homosexual activity and lined him up with a BEARD.
          As to the informaton about the “refugees” this has come by many sources, including people who have been at ports when these “fighters” arrived both in Europe and in America. And I have seen the pictures of the masses of MEN who were marching across Europe trying to get to the welfare state promised in Germany. LOL. I have seen it. I have heard from those who also saw it. And your denial is bogus.

        • ADRoberts

          You lied or mistated. I did not say they got Medicare as that is ONLY for old people and is where Obama has been taking money away to give to MEDICAID. And in your ignorance, you failed to see just how much intimidation, coercion, and out right bullying Obama has done to states. It is “either you do what I say or I will take away Federal money.”. He does that with ALL of his favorite programs, including Common Core.
          Texas has rejected that money many times and been attacked for losing all that money, just because they refuse to be dictated to.

        • ADRoberts

          I looked at his record. Now you look at it too. 20 million Americans either out of work or underemployeed. And what does Trump claim is the SHORTAGE of workers? It makes NO DIFFERENCE. Whatever the shortage, it could be resolved by TRAINING AMERICANS TO DO THE JOBS. But it is not about the JOBS but about CHEAP LABOR, that brings Trump to advocate for MORE IMMIGRATION. Do you get it? Evidently not. You must still have a job. LOL

          • bobnstuff

            There is a record number of help wanted ads, A record number of job openings in the country. There are a record number of jobs in the country. Ask any HR person the type of people they are getting. I agree that we need job training because we are at the beginning of the new age and jobs like coal are going away. I work retail and have to have computer skills just to do my job. Even truck drivers need to know computers. Times are a changing.

          • ADRoberts

            Dig deeper. 20 million people can’t be wrong about being unemployeed or underemployeed.
            How can you claim that we need immigrants when so many are without jobs.

          • bobnstuff

            I’m not going to go into how the work force in the US goes through cycles and the fact that the average American changes jobs every 5 years. There is always unemployed and people looking for new jobs. It’s normal. Job turnover has always happened. Here’s a interesting thing growth of our economy and immigration go hand in hand. When you have growth immigration is high. It feeds on each other. When the economy is slow so is immigration.

          • ADRoberts

            Wow. And all of that just to justify Obama or Trump? I must not be average. I spend 30 years with my employer. Now, here is YOUR problem. How many want to have full time jobs or a job at all, compared to those who used to be unemployeed.
            How many have given up and falsely claimed to be disabled so they could draw a check, like the welfare recipients do. How long can we continue to deficit spend and print up paper money before people wake up and decide the money is worthless?
            Now about that last statement.
            The economy IS slow. This is evidenced by the lack of traffic on streets in major communities like Arlington, Dallas and Ft. Forth Texas. I see it.
            And yet, the immigration is exploding. Primarily by muslims that Obama is bring in to enable them to fight jihad and impose Sharia.
            We know this. You don’t?

        • ADRoberts

          Now I have facts. Christians are being killed at a rate of ONE EVERY FIVE MINUTES. So where do you get your information and just how many “muslims”do you claim the muslims are killing. And by the way, who is the Great Satan that they are mainly focused in destroying. The one who they are invading with the help of Obama and not bothering to vet anyone.

          You want to know why ISIS is killing muslims. They are so evil they even kill themselves. And this is the religion of PEACE?

          Now I have given you the facts. YOU are the one who can’t get it straight.
          So by your contention, it is muslims who are so violent. And with that CONTENTION straight from you, why are we bringing in ANY muslims into our country? I assure you that they are NOT coming here to kill the muslims who are coming along with them. LOL
          That is right. They are coming over here to attack us and create the anarchy that the ONE WORLD ORDER people need in order to take control.

          • bobnstuff

            Just who do you think is fighting the war against ISIS? It’s not Christians.

          • ADRoberts

            Really? I guess all those American soldiers over there, who Obama said he would never send back are all muslims. LOL
            Time and time again, the muslims run off and leave munitions, and equipment and victims for ISIS to kill
            I guess it all depends on which muslim believes the lie of 72 virgins the best.
            And by the way, according to a well known general, we could defeat ISIS in 60 or 90 days. That is all it takes when you don’t have “rules of engagement’ designed to get our guys killed.

          • bobnstuff

            All 250 soldiers who are not to be on the front line. It’s not our war. You seem to believe that ISIS is a religious group. Here is a link you need to read to understand just who ISIS is.
            http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/isis-a-history-how-the-worlds-worst-terror-group-came-to-be/ar-BBncKrR?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=HPCDHP

          • ADRoberts

            I DON’T do links.
            And I don’t believe anyone who tries to play the game of, “this is a religion but that is not”. When you deal with the deceptive muslims, it is really only about CONTROL.
            There is simply too much about total power and control for anyone to believe that Islam is a religion.
            And I hate to burst your bubble but the latest video show those “advisor” were the very ones who swooped in and wiped out the local ISIS.
            Yes, you got it wrong. Obama lied. And our soldiers are “fighting” but not allowed to fight in a way that will actually win. Obama needs to protect his “brothers”.

          • bobnstuff

            If you don’t want information or facts then there is no reason for me to continue. I hate to tell you this but 250 men who rule of engagement say kept out of the front line does not do much. But I’m done since you are to lazy to educate yourself with real facts.

          • ADRoberts

            EDUCATE? Are you kidding. I can find stuff out there to “refer” to you that proves that 9/11 was totally by our own government. You seem to think that I am so subservient to you that I should spend hours listening and watching stuff that you YOURSELF have probably not viewed.
            I was not born yesterday.
            I simply state, IF you can’t, with your own words, express the idea you want me to swallow, YOU are the lazy one. You are the one who is likely doing PROPAGANDA.
            Now let’s see if you are reasonable. Do you agree that a great deal of what it OUT THERE, is not true, is designed to deceive or is a mixture of truths and lies and falsehoods.
            If you don’t agree to that, then there is nothing to talk about. IF you do agree, the next and ONLY problem is determining WHO to listen to and who to believe. I will take time to read what you post. I will NOT waste my time, going through a list of 40 or 50 websites, when in all likelihood, it is all just a prefab list made up to SNOW those who are dumb enough to look at it.

            Again. YOU state what you claim is true. And IF you are not able to express yourself well enough to make your point believeable, you lose.
            In fact, I will go so far as to say that YOUR claim that I am lazy is just another tool you use to try to intimidate and bully me.
            Keep typing. Keep listing OTHER sources when YOU are unable to express your own ideas.

          • bobnstuff

            I’m not wasting my time restating things that are well said by others. Yes there is a lot of crap on the web and you should know because you repeat it often enough. From what you have said your understanding of Islam and religion in general is very limited. You knowledge of history is even more limited and you are unable to understand any concept that takes more then six words to explain. I don’t expect you or anyone to take my word for things and I will give links to my sources so you can clearly see where I got my facts from. There are a lot of made up so called facts from so called experts that are so false that they don’t even make sense but people believe it because they heard it on Fox or many other entertainment channels. Islam is right now the most misquoted and misrepresented group in the media. Earlier you tried to say that it’s the Christians that are doing a lot of the dying in the ISIS conflict but since the population of Christians in that part of the world is very low that statement makes no sense. For Christians to be dying at the rate stated there would have been non left to kill by now. The link I gave you explains that there is no one Muslim faith and that they have been fighting each others for years. If you understood the history of that region you would know that fact. If you understood what Islam was as a religion stood for you would know that the sellers of hate was twisting things are to make you hate. Once again I gave you the power to check facts about just what the Quran really says but since you don’t do links you will never know the truth. ISIS is not a religious movement but a grab for power. These people are not fighting for God. Do some homework and get some facts based on history.

          • ADRoberts

            You went to the trouble and wasted your time listing all those sites that you wanted ME to waste my time watching. LOL. No, it is because you CAN’T express the ideas yourself.
            And just where did you get the idea that hundreds of thousand of Christians is “so low a number.” Propaganda? Yes. For sure, not personal knowledge.
            How would you know anything but what you have been told by others. Just me. It is only a matter of WHO we believe.
            And the rate that Christians are dying is documented. But you prefer to believe lies.
            Now admit it. You are SOOO AGGRESSIVE in your defense of muslims that there is only ONE conclusion. YOU ARE A MUSLIM
            And about all those news reports of deaths around the world. According to you, by now, everyone should be dead. LOL.
            Now for an easy question. I don’t know any sellers of hate. But I do know of news reports of people dying at the hands of vicious animals who are doing their killing motivated by promises in the Koran and by clerics who motive the killing.
            So how can you claim that it is NOT muslims when tht is the sure fied common thread.
            Explain. And then tell us why the other muslims are not saying a word.
            FEAR?

          • bobnstuff

            The average Christian population of the nations involved with ISIS was less then 3% at the beginning now since most have left there are very few left. I can us the Bible to support the same actions as the Quran is being used for and in fact it has bee if you know history.

            Aren’t you the one who said that you can’t trust the media. News reports are not reliable because they are trying to shock you into staying tuned. I bet you believe that Cops are being killed at the highest rate in history and that there are more riots now then ever. Neither is true but don’t tell the media. You also believe that we are being over run with Mexicans coming across the border and that the number of illegals is up when we are at the lowest point in illegals in the last ten years.

            Another lie is that the Muslims are not speaking out but they are, you just aren’t listening. It’s the Muslim nations that are sending the fighters against ISIS. Mosques are speaking out all over the world condemning the violence.

            You say you don’t know sellers of hate. You sure haven’t look around you have you.

            I took the time to learn about Islam when I went to work for a Muslim family years ago. It only makes sense to understand the beliefs of you boss. I know about most of the worlds great religions because it helps to understand the world.

            I have gone to your links and every now and I learn something but most time I have already seen the stories and know there twist on the facts.

            If you want to know what the Quran says go to a Quran translated by a Muslim for the teaching of English speaking Muslims. Quran.com just like if you want to know what the Bible says go to Bible.com.

          • ADRoberts

            How do you know about the percentage being 3% And where did they go since they have been rejected by Obama from coming into America.

          • bobnstuff

            The Christians have been leaving the middle east for a number of years now and some have come to the US but a lot ended up in Europe. Refugees are not counted but religion but by country of origin. Refugees are not asked their religion when coming here unless it is part of the reason they are coming. A Christian coming from China can use that fact to get asylum. There have been a number of well written pieces out there over the years on the subject..

          • ADRoberts

            That seems to be your theme. But it is not what I am hearing from “Voice of the Martyr”.
            So why is it that YOUR source says they are coming here when all the other people are talking about how muslims are coming in without being vetted but Christian, including 30 who are in jail in California, just because they are Christians are being kept out.
            WHO are you quoting? HufPost, or maybe FactChecker? Maybe Open Society or the ACLU.

            who WHO. WHOOOOO?

          • ADRoberts

            So you claim that you can use the Bible like the Koran is being used to encourage killing. Now I challenge you to use a SINGLE PART OF THE NEW TESTAMENT to do so. You either are twisting it to use the Old Testament which was mainly done away with and replaced with love and forgiveness..
            So you must admit that either you are trying to deceive or you simply don’t know that much about the Bible. But you can CHERRY PICK all day long to back up YOUR AGENDA. That is NOT Christianity. And you know it.

          • bobnstuff

            I agree that Christ’s message is love and grace. I am a man of great faith and serve my Lord every day and try very hard to live a Christ like life. That being said I know many people who try to justify their actions with the Bible. Luke 22:36 Christ said sell your coat and go buy a sword. One of my favorite misunderstood quotes.

          • ADRoberts

            A world and churches full of people who deceive. They have no love. They do not forgive. And they do NOT obey Jesus requirement in John 14:12.
            In fact, they refuse to even address it or try to excuse or deflect and claim it does not mean what it says.
            To obey that verse, a person has to DIE to self and be filled with the Holy Spirit. Too many want to PRETEND to be serving God. But they just can’t bring themselves to GIVE UP CONTROL./

          • bobnstuff

            See we can agree on something. I feel very sorry for people who have never been filled with the Holy Spirit. There is nothing greater in life then to truly feel the love of Christ.

          • ADRoberts

            .Did you just testify to obeying John 14:12? I think not. But you tried to imply it and pretend that you were not lying.
            SAY IT.

          • bobnstuff

            I have spent my life doing the the Lords work. It’s been a wonderful life. I also call out those that lie.

          • ADRoberts

            That sounds really nice. Problem is that you did not say a single thing you DID for the Lord’s Work.
            Now tell me how many times in your “Lord’s Work” you were out of control and God had complete control.
            Testify. Tell what you have done for the glory of God.

          • ADRoberts

            I may have said that you cannot trust the media. But I made NO SUCH STATEMENT about them shocking us to keep us tuned in. Bogus and bunk.
            As to riots and cops being killed I make no such statements as I don’t make such claims without researching them. But you accuse me any way.
            And for the rate of immigration, I can assure you that since I used to live in Texas, your stats about the reduction in illegal immigration is also bogus.
            Now when will you figure out the the BLS is under orders from Obama and will make the numbers say what HE tells them to say.
            It is like claiming that unemployment is DOWN, when all that is down is the number of people who are still looking for a job. I have a degree in Math. And I see the evidence. And I know the old saying, “Figures lie and liars figure.” So I just rejected your assertion and that of the BLSl who claim that illegal immigration is down.
            And since you can’t prove that any aspect of government with Obama in charge has ANY truth in it. your statement is toast.

          • bobnstuff

            BLS is very independent and not under the control of either the President or Congress. Also that isn’t the only numbers out there. ADP publishes payroll numbers as well. The help wanted numbers are not from the government either. You my have a degree in math but you need to look at more then just the numbers. I have taught business class at a local college and spent many years in business. I don’t need numbers to know what the job market is like. Look at who is being hired. If you can talk and walk even a little you can get a job. Five years ago a company could hire a person with a Masters to stock shelves. Time have changed.

          • ADRoberts

            NOT SO. Your claim is just as bogus as those who say the IRS did not target conservative groups because that would have been illegal. Or like claiming that BATFE does not go after gun owners for pittling paper work mistakes.
            Or that the EPA is objective when it declares that land must be set aside because an animal which MIGHT become endangered, MIGHT at some future day, move into land that is totally unusable for their needs.
            Just why do you think that BLS can resist any order from the POTUS?
            Then you make it abundantly clear. YOU TAUGHT COLLEGE. And we ALL know just how accurate the fanatics who teach in colleges are.
            Now, you claim times have changed. So why are the roads still empty around major cities in the middle of weekday mornings.
            Why are major business continuing to close and go bankrupt.
            You try to ignore the truth that is there by claiming things that are NOT evident.
            Let’s make it simple. WHO do you believe. Who is the TOP politician, or government official, or commentator who YOU believe.
            That will say it all. Just like we are what we eat. It is also true that we THINK according to WHO we believe.
            Now explain LAST DAYS prophesy about Laodicea. Or that because iniquity shall about the love of many shall wax cold. Or the sequence of events that WILL bring about the Antichrist and the MARK of the Beast.
            It is there. First a situation that is SOOO bad that no one can find a solution. Then ONE man will step forward and save the WHOLE WORLD.
            And the world will, in gratitude, put him in charge of THE WHOLE WORLD.
            Hide and watch. This is where the Elite, Bilderbergs are headed.
            One of the first steps will be to bring down the fiat money and then the economies of the world. That will be followed by anarchy. And then, these same people will offer to SAVE us if we just give up or rights and freedoms.

          • bobnstuff

            The IRS targets a lot of non profits, not just conservatives. The IRS doesn’t care about politics, the just like flexing their power. These people are as a rule not happy people and they take it out on those that they think are scamming the system. BATFE is another group trying to do a 21st century job with totally out of date equipment and rule that are designed to make their job hard. Say what you want about the EPA but I have fish in the creek behind my house that fifty years ago was so bad you didn’t go near it. I’m old enough to remember a world with out them.

            You seem to believe that the TOP politician, or government official, or commentator run the government. It’s the grunts that fight the wars and run the government. The guys at the top are clueless on how things really work.

            I got asked to teach business class because I have own and run a number of companies. I have been at the top of my industry in more then one area plus I enjoy sharing my knowledge. I have helped countless numbers of people chase their dreams. I teach classes in business start-ups and marketing.

          • ADRoberts

            Lies of a liberal.. God have mercy on you.

          • bobnstuff

            I’m not really a liberal, I’m a realest. I believe that there are things the government should do but I want my moneys worth. If anything I’m a Libertarian.

          • ADRoberts

            A new definition for a traitor. Call yourself a realist. Make sure that you keep getting all that money from all those rich, Sharia pushing muslims. And never take a stand for America or the Constitution.

            It might OFFEND them.
            And LIBERTARIAN is just another way of saying YOU ARE YOUR OWN GOD.

          • ADRoberts

            Now why would I believe your claims about muslims when IF they were true, we would be having a lot of reports from the LMS to that effect. But WE DON’T. And the reason is that should they make such claims, those in the know would immediately call them out as spreading propaganda.
            Now if you are so sure of how peaceful they are, would you explain why we are getting hundred of thousands of “refugees” who are reported by all to be 80% young men, entering the country as “refugees”. Just like the PICTURES I saw of them marching across Europe, trying to get to the welfare and free living in Germany. Yes, the pictures are probably still available. No children and very few women. AND INVADING ARMY would be more descriptive.

            And where are the stats about muslims countries sending fighters against ISIS? Not from Saudi Arabia for sure. They are Sunni just like ISIS is. And they have yet to do much more than send a few bucks. Certainly they DON’T fight themselves.
            Where is this info and why is it not out there. No, the news continues to be about MUSLIM of every kind, killing, blowing up, and asserting that Israel and America must die.
            If the muslims were so determined to stop ISIS or Iran, why did they not rise up and stop Obama from giving Iran the total ability to make nuclear bombs AND deliver them on missiles..

          • bobnstuff

            UNHCR’s data show that 50.5 percent of refugees are women. Females age
            18 to 59 make up 23.9 percent of the refugees, while males in that age
            group make up 21.8 percent.

            Google Muslims speak out on ISIS and see what you get.

            Now tell me how an agreement to limit nuclear production in Iran give them the bomb? Iran has total ability to build a bomb and has for many years. The agreement limits them and brings them back into the world. You seem to think of Iran as some third world country when in fact they are highly educated and advanced. They don’t need help in building a bomb. They need reasons not to which they have been given by this agreement. Also this isn’t an agreement between just Iran and the US. Every major country on earth was part of it.

          • ADRoberts

            Don’t know what UNHCR is. But since it has UN at the front of it, I would say it is from the UN. And why would I believe them as they are just about totally controlled by 57 muslim nations.
            Now about my LYING EYES. And when I see videos and pictures of masses of immigrants marching to Europe, they are almost all young men. So what are you going to do. Claim YOUR figures from the UN are truth and my eyes are lying.
            NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
            Have you not heard the latest jokes, They all end with someone claiming that “IT HAD TO BE TRUE” They had GOOGLED it.
            Now tell me how a majority of European Countries were angry over the agreement and went out of their way to denounce it. They went so far as to claim that we got NOTHING and Iran got everything. And the leader of Iran ridiculed us for the agreement.
            Then you come up with the ultimate insult to anyone with a rational mind.
            You claim that Iran is “educated and advanced”. Don’t you get it. They are radical muslims.
            So If I were to assume that you are right. I guess, Israel is being paranoid when they attacked the agreement. After all, they are fully aware of what it means to be ENEMIES of fanatical muslims.;
            Again. Taqiyya and muruna.
            Explain how you can believe ANYTHING a muslims says when those doctrines of LYING are basic to their “religion”
            It fits. I will use it. Your are either a SUCKER, or you are complicit in evil.

          • bobnstuff

            I’m sorry I though I was dealing with a person who might have interesting things to say but find I’m dealing with a person who is devoid of knowledge. You don’t know who the UNHCR is but try to talk about refugees. The worst part is you didn’t take the time to find out. Just for the record

            The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, also known as the UN Refugee Agency, is a United Nations programme mandated to
            protect and support refugees at the request of a government or the UN itself and assists in their voluntary repatriation, local integration or resettlement to a third country. Its headquarters are in Geneva, Switzerland and is a member of the United Nations Development Group. The UNHCR has won two Nobel Peace Prizes, once in 1954 and again in 1981.

            These are the people that deals with displaced people. To bad you don’t really care about facts or truth. Lazy are we not!

          • ADRoberts

            You are not lazy. YOu are evil. And it shows with the queer way you say things like that last statement.
            Then you prove once again just how lacking in wisdom and judgement you are by bragging about a Nobel prize. That lost ALL respect of decent logical and ratonal people when they gave the peace prize to Obama. But then, everything you say is junk.
            God have mercy on you.

          • bobnstuff

            Boy you don’t get around much do you. Have you never watched Star Wars. That’s Yoda talk.

          • ADRoberts

            Why not speak English? I guess you think that is COOL. WRONG.

          • ADRoberts

            You say that mosques around the world are speaking out against the violence. Have you not heard of taqiyya and muruna. It is PART of their dogma to practice lying and deception. It is there. And by that fact, you can’t depend on anything they say to be TRUTH. As long as they are advancing their “religion” all deception and lying is approved.
            How would you know when they are NOT lying? You don’t

          • bobnstuff

            I looked into taqiyya and muruna a while back and what it means is you won’t go to hell for telling your wife she doesn’t look fat in that dress. Lying is never condoned in Islam. Small lies can be forgiven if the motive is not to hurt someone.

          • ADRoberts

            Wow. You just proved that you were deceived. How is it that YOU are the only one in all of America who believes this.
            Ask the Christians who had their HEADS cut off.
            Explain the deaths of Christians at a rate of one every five minutes.
            YOU LIE.
            Just like the Holy Land Foundation lied when they claimed the funds were going to help innocent victims.

          • ADRoberts

            Now a simple question. IF you paid attention to what Christ taught and what real Christians do, you would know that Jesus was about FORGIVENESS. As in the Lord’s Prayer, “… and forgive us our debts as we for give our debtors. ” And it is about love. “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son……”
            So tell me what the attitude of Allah is toward forgiveness, love, being kind to others, etc.
            Can you tell us a single thing that they tell you Allah says that is NOT about having sex with children, boys and girls, multiple wives, taking booty from those they defeat, and forcing their religion and their Sharia law on EVERYONE?

            Waiting for you to compare the loving Jehovah with the vicious Allah.
            And remember. Every time you hear of someone shouting, “Alluh akbar”, someone is about to die.

          • bobnstuff

            I’m really not the one to instruct you on Islam, However much of Christ teaching is part of it. Christ is a profit in the Muslim faith and in fact Mary is in the Quran more times then in the Bible. Sharia law is very much Cannon law, Many Christians push for the use of it in our country. Most religions have a code of law as part of them. Allah is based on Jehovah. In many ways Islam is more caring then Christian beliefs. As I say I’m not the one to teach about Islam. Most Christian don’t want to here it but the history of Islam and the history if the Christians are not all that different. There is no one Islam religion anymore then there is one Christian religion. Muslim get along with other Muslims about as well as the different Christian churches get along.

            This is some of what the Quran says on forgiveness.

            https://www.alquranclasses.com/quran-forgive/

            1) And O my people! Ask forgiveness
            of your Lord and then repent to Him, He will send you (from the sky) abundant rain, and add strength to your strength, so do not turn away as
            Mujrimoon (criminals, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) [Hood 11:52]

            2) And the men and the women who remember Allaah much with their hearts and tongues. Allaah has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise) [al’Ahzaab 33:35]

            3) And
            let not those among you who are blessed with graces and wealth swear not to give (any sort of help) to their kinsmen, Al-Masakin (the poor),
            and those who left their homes for Allah’s Cause. Let them pardon and forgive. Do you not love that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [An’Nur24:22]

            4) And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad P.B.U.H) that you may obtain mercy. And march forth in the way (which leads to) forgiveness from your Lord, and for Paradise as wide as are the heavens and the earth, prepared for Al-Muttaqun. [Al’Imran3:132,133]

            5) Hold to forgiveness, command what is right, and turn away from the ignorant. [ Al-‘Araf 7: 199]

          • ADRoberts

            Yes, the Kurds are muslims. Or at least that is what I have been told.
            So why does ISIS kill them all. And why do they fear the Kurdish women fighters. Ah. some myth. about being killed by a woman. LOL.
            So how much do YOU depend on muslims fighting and defeating ISIS?

  • Smart Southerner

    We don’t need them! That’s Hillary’s thang:

    • American Me

      We need every vote we can get.Unless you want Hildebeast to finish the destruction of our country.If she gets in,you can kiss your freedom goodby.

      • ADRoberts

        Trump is just the other side of the coin from Clinton. And this “we need every vote we can get” indicates that you are willing to compromise, compromise compromise, because you are NOT confident that you are right.
        Neither are millions of Americans who see Trump as a fake conservative who just claimed to change from Liberal just FOUR YEARS AGO.

        For the record, which is the ONLY record he has, he gave PRIMARILY to the very liberals who have caused all the damage that he claims he will now undo. LOL.
        So where did he suddenly come up with principles that he would live up to? Oh, that is right. He just showed us that he still has NO PRINCIPLES by bowing to muslims while he still tells his followers to attack protesters./

        And how do you see this hypoicrisy? YOU DON”T

    • Ramon1710 .

      But I heard accepting foreign campaign donations was illegal. Surely Hilldog would not do something illegal.

      Hahahahaha.

      • CharlieSeattle

        Bill took money from Communist China.

        • Ramon1710 .

          After reclassifying formerly top secret weapons bearing technology so he could sell it to the communists. As former ’68 Presidential candidate Pat Paulson said, “These are the worst kind of rumors – true rumors!”

          • CharlieSeattle

            Google this thread…

            Clinton, China, Loral, Betrayal

  • Smart Southerner

    Let Hildebeast court the Muslims, which she is already doing:

    • ADRoberts

      Hang. Her FIRST advisor/loverf is a muslim.
      And how does she get away with this without being killed by other muslims? Simple. Power absolves a muslim from all sins.

  • Texas001

    Tell us one thing, do another.

    • bobnstuff

      Fear not he will go back and forth many more times on this and all other things.

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