Trump Clashes With Religion

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January 21, 2016

So, yes, reporters chided Donald Trump for screwing up reference to “Two Corinthians” (as opposed to “Second Corinthians”) the other day at Liberty University in Virginia. But the coverage reminds one of the blind spots the press tends to have with biblical literacy and a poor sense of history, notes Steve Waldman, who co-founded (the since-sold) Beliefnet, which was a terrific website on religion. “When it comes to covering religion, reporters tend to veer between being overly cynical to being overly credulous,” he says. But he does believe political reporters are “waaaaay better” than they once were. He finds Trump’s own language when it comes to religion pretty humorous, as when he says he’s got a “very great relationship with God.” But dig deeper, Waldman notes, and you’ll see botched coverage of his appeal to evangelicals, whom the mainstream press has categorized as very faithful to scripture and how candidates relate to scripture. Further, they’ve been deemed far more moderate, say, on immigration than rank-and-file Republicans. So how did the press miss the appeal to them of a thrice-married, potty-mouthed, anti-immigration rich guy from evil New York City? Maybe it involves a basic misunderstanding of evangelicals.

  • RoseBrownlee

    AT LEAST MR.TRUMP IS NOT A MUSLIM AND HE LOVE OUR COUNTRY
    ,U S A AND I BELIEVE IF MR.TRUMP GETS ELECTED TO BE OUR PRESIDENT,HE WILL TRY HIS BEST TO UNDO ALL OF OVIMITS MESSES.

  • kcwas

    boy jump on anything you can to make Mr Trump look bad …. and there is one thing that rolls no one is prefect …. and you little frogs are always building big bs over small things …. One thing for Mr Trump is he loves this country and will try like hell to make it whole again so instead of this why not put good toward him and know he can and will help us ….

  • irene

    the republicans should all shut their mouths about Trump, they are a bunch of traitors , how dare they , say anything , Trump is a private citizen , he has sacrificed a lot he is self funding he is a private citizen and a Christian . enough said,

  • Dan Menard

    It should be remembered that no matter Mr. Trump’s
    personal denominational beliefs, they are to be his own.
    If elected, he is to represent all American citizens; both
    the very devout as well as those of no faith at all. His
    personal value system my be influences by his faith but,
    he can not betray his countries people and values to
    prosper his own values. Obama has done just that and
    we all know how that is working out, don’t we?

    • Arbie Viau

      I agree with you Dan, my discussion was about Trump clashing with the religious people who don’t think he is a Christian. That’s all. Obama is another matter all together, and I don’t think Trump’s name should even be uttered in that corrupt mess. You know, I see nothing in what Trump has said that is against America or Americans only that he wants to make America great again. How can that be interpreted as any kind of betrayal?

      • joanne

        Words words , frankly I look at his life and I see Donald EXCLUSIVELY for Donald.

        • Dan Menard

          Joanne, If all you see is a superficial character in Mr. Trump, you are not looking or studying the issue or character of the man himself enough.
          You only need to look at our current political administration to see just how deviant and out of sorts thing can become when the public will elect to go along with the typical and standard elitist practices.

          • joanne

            Franlk Dan, it is because I have done my best to study his famil, business, religious and political actions and words that I came to this way of thinking. Hate to feel that way but!!

          • Dan Menard

            As an American, you and I are both entitled to our own opinions! And I might even say that I agree with you on all counts. But, then the truth would be that we are both wrong!

        • Arbie Viau

          Joanne, then your eyes don’t see what I see. I see a man that cares about America and American people. Just what has he to personally gain by this? If there is anything personally to gain, it might just be to protect what he already has from being taken from an insane man in the white house, and the people of America. I see a man that is leaving his business that he loves in the care of his children, to make America great again and to me that’s a sacrifice most men wouldn’t do. And why would he want to take all the abuse he’s getting from even his own party, he could have quit months ago if he weren’t determined to do what he has set out to accomplish. You should try to find the video of Mr. Falwell at Liberty University speaking about Trump, it hopefully will open you eyes to who Donald Trump really is. America needs a man, not a politician with their own agenda, to get America back on her feet. He has the expertise of a successful businessman that is needed in Washington D.C. to accomplish the much needed goals for America. Don’t let the lies of slick politicians who get their money to campaign from special interest groups and lobbyists and have to do what they want rather than what’s right for America. Remember, Donald is financing his own campaign and is beholden to NO ONE.

          • I Seigel

            “Just what has he to personally gain by this?” EGO

          • Arbie Viau

            Come on – Trump doesn’t need to feed his EGO in politics, he could have done that by not running and continue with “The Apprentice” and make millions doing it, but he cared about you and me enough to set out to make America great again, back to what She was before Obama destroyed the “heart” of America. Aren’t you just a little bit jealous of his accomplishments and Billions? Are you showing your EGO by being defiant?

          • I Seigel

            How many years has The Apprentice been on? It’s a “Been There, Done That” thing for Trump. Time to move on, new fields to conquer. Yes, it’s about ego to a very large extent. He’s already said – back in October – that if he wasn’t being treated fairly or he doesn’t do well in Iowa, he would consider dropping out. Does that sound like a man who, with every fiber of his being, wants to work his hardest to “make America great again”?

            I’m a bit surprised that you think one president, in only 8 years, can destroy the “heart of America”. I would think we’re a stronger, more resilient, people than that. Do you think the destruction could possibly have been going on for a lot longer?

          • Arbie Viau

            Well, I Seigel, we all have egos, but NBC was ready to renew again with “The Apprentice” and Trump chose not to and they were upset because it meant a lot of money for NBC. He did not say he would drop out, he said he would consider “another” party.
            Don’t put words in my mouth, I, you said I think one president can destroy America, I didn’t say that. I do agree the destruction started before Obama, but Obama is still putting his finishing touches now in his last year. And he couldn’t have gotten this far if our Congress had the balls to stop the problems before him and since his 7 years in office. Obama has changed America into a Socialist 3rd world country. He’s taken away our freedoms with a stroke of a pen little by little. Illegal immigrants have taken over what work force we had, and Americans are being taxed to give to ungrateful Muslims along with the “political correctness” and racial attacks from everywhere.
            Well, the truth is I, you would rather have a politician who makes promises he’ll never keep for POTUS, than a successful businessman with a great track record. I said you were showing your EGO by being defiant, as an example only. We all want the truth, that’s what we should pride ourselves in seeking.

          • I Seigel

            OK, I have a few responses for you, but this first one is pretty long, so I’ll make it a separate post.

            In Oct 2015, Trump was interviewed on Meet the Press and on the Today Show. Here is part of the transcript of the Meet the Press interview. It’s long, but it completely substantiates what I stated. Here is a link to the full show, if you want to see it: http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-october-4-2015-n438271

            CHUCK TODD:

            Two more questions I want to get into. You said something the other day that caught me off-guard. You said you’re not a masochist. And if you start falling in the polls–

            DONALD TRUMP:

            Yeah.

            CHUCK TODD:

            –you’ll go back to your business. What does that mean? Are you not in this for the long–

            CHUCK TODD:

            –haul or not? And I–

            DONALD TRUMP:

            –people–

            CHUCK TODD:

            –I was just gonna say–

            DONALD TRUMP:

            Yeah–

            CHUCK TODD:

            –I– I– I heard it. You said it on The Today Show and with my buddy, John Harwood.

            DONALD TRUMP:

            Yeah.

            CHUCK TODD:

            And it caught my ear. I’m, like, “Uh oh–

            DONALD TRUMP:

            No, you’re–

            CHUCK TODD:

            What does that mean?

            DONALD TRUMP:

            –you don’t– a lotta people have asked me that question. Number one, I’m not a masochist. And if I was dropping in the polls where I saw that I wasn’t gonna win, why would I continue? And it’s funny. Maybe it’s, like, not like me because it’s the power of positive thinking– I’m a very positive person, I’m a positive thinker– but the truth is, I’m a realist. I’m doing great in the polls right now, I think you will say. I’m not saying anything. I’m leading everything, right?

            CHUCK TODD:

            You’re leadin’ every poll.

            DONALD TRUMP:

            Everything. By a lot.

            CHUCK TODD:

            In a Republican primary.

            DONALD TRUMP:

            Not only leading, by a lot. Okay–

            CHUCK TODD:

            General elections are different stories, but that’s all right.

            DONALD TRUMP:

            Well, you–

            CHUCK TODD:

            We’re not there yet.

            DONALD TRUMP:

            I believe in polls. How many elections do you see where the polls were wrong? Not that many. Okay. You see ’em, but not that many. If I were doing poorly, if I saw myself going down, if you would stop calling me ’cause you no longer have any interest in Trump because “he has no chance,” I’d go back to my business. I have no problem with that.

            (END TAPE)

          • Arbie Viau

            I seigel, if you want to argue, then find someone else! I don’t and won’t buy any of YOUR garbage, sell it to someone who cares what you say.

          • I Seigel

            I don’t wish to argue either, thank you. I wish to present a fact for your consideration and education. The fact that I presented corrects a misunderstanding you seem to have about Trump’s past words. If you don’t care to recognize facts, that’s your choice. But it’s not arguable. It’s fact. It’s not MY garbage, it’s Trump’s. No further discussion is necessary about this issue.

          • Arbie Viau

            Yes you do, thank you! You just won’t let it go will you, Mr. Fact Finder. There is no issue you jerk! It’s your way to discredit me and Donald Trump. I’ve dealt with your kind before and you are nothing but a blow-hard thinking you are so intelligent and every one else is stupid, that you look and are stupid. Stop embarrassing yourself – get over it!!!!

          • I Seigel

            You’re responding to my comment which is 2 days old. Did you notice? If anyone refuses to “let it go”, I would suggest you should look in the mirror. I want to discredit you and Donald Trump?!?!? Hah Hah! Now your ego is really showing! I’ve dealt with your kind before.
            Nevertheless, you take the last word and I won’t respond. I promise.

          • I Seigel

            Your response seems to be very self-contradicting.

            Here you say, “Don’t put words in my mouth, I, you said I think one president can destroy America, I didn’t say that.” You then said he’s “putting the finishing touches” on ruining America. But then you say what seems to be just the opposite: ” Obama has changed America into a Socialist 3rd world country. He’s taken away our freedoms with a stroke of a pen little by little.” So, according to your words, in the space of 7+ years, this one man has “changed America into a Socialist 3rd world country.” You still didn’t say that he’s continuing the destruction started by others. You’re saying that it’s all his doing, “…with the stroke of a pen, little by little”. So I don’t think I’m putting words in your mouth. I’m quoting the words that came out of your mouth. Am I not?

          • RoseBrownlee

            IF ,I SAID IF MR.TRUMP IS DOING THIS FOR HIS EGO,MORE POWER TO HIM.HE IS USA’S HOPE FOR A BETTER FUTURE

          • I Seigel

            That’s very interesting, Rose. You’re willing to cut him a great deal of slack. Considering he’s not a very religious Christian, he’s flip-flopped on numerous issues like health care and the Middle East, he’s divorced several times, some of his businesses have gone bankrupt (Atlantic City anyone?), he is very sexist and derogatory to women, and he’s shown to be unfriendly to workers and labor by trying to get out of union contracts with his hotel workers. So he talks real tough on immigration. How else is he our best hope for a better future?

          • joanne

            Artie, I know just what you are saying and I have a son Who feels just like you and to tell you the truth I am torn and wish I could feel that way also. Being 82 perhaps I have become tooooo jaded OR maybe just more insightful. The more I see of him the more I see a very egotistical man who NEVER give s real so.utions answers but uses a lot of words we want to hear.please study in depth his personal, professional, religious life and his political views stated just in the past couple of years.

          • Arbie Viau

            Thank you joanne for responding, no I don’t think you are too jaded. What you are saying about Trump, you can also say about the “politician” candidates. How many times have we listened to the politicians and as it turns out, we get NOTHING especially of late. We don’t have a crystal ball, joanne, and we have to make decisions that you feel are yours, not anyone elses – sometimes we’re right and sometimes we’re wrong. I voted last November 2014 and as a Republican we got enough in Congress to get something done, but did we? NO! Our Government is so corrupt, we need a fresh face, a person who is a smart businessman who can get America out of this mess. I believe that man is Trump and because he is funding his own campaign with no ties to special interest groups and lobbyists to pay homage to. We won’t know what that person is going to do once they get into office, but we have to trust the best candidate available and in my opinion, Trump is my selection. If you can, get the video of Falwell at Liberty University where Trump was invited to speak, he is Jerry Falwell’s son and his introduction tells a lot about Trump’s personal life. I was very impressed.

  • Arbie Viau

    Well, I’ve been a Christian for over 25 years and sometimes I clash with “religion”. Donald Trump seems to me to be a better “Christian” than Christians. No one is squeaky clean, even professed Christians, God chose to bless this man in multiple ways, and he really doesn’t need to run for POTUS, he has everything, money, successful business, wife and x-wives love him, his children are beyond reproach and successful citizens who speak extremely well of their father, and is charitable to ordinary people like us. I could go on, but I think you get my message. What bothers me about Christians is their judgmental attitude towards a person they “think” is NOT a Christian. Can you see what’s going on inside of a person to judge him? No you can’t and you think unless they talk scriptures and annoy people with their knowledge of scriptures, that they aren’t Christian and that couldn’t be true in anybody’s life. So my advice is: God said you would know them by their fruits, and Trumps fruits look blessed by God to me. So Christians, get a grip on reality, who among you has a life as blessed as Donald Trump. Get over it, I am voting for Mr. Trump!!! Thank you God for blessing us with Mr. Trump.

    • rayhause

      The Devil is an unknown person, could Trump be that unknown person?

      • The Devil is Obama…..

        • Arbie Viau

          Fabman, that I can agree on!

      • Arbie Viau

        Rayhause, all I can say to you is, stupid is as stupid does. I think you get my point.

        • rayhause

          What makes you think that he is even a Republican, note Republican and not conservative.

          • Arbie Viau

            What’s your point, Rayhause, didn’t you read about the discussion before you started your typing?

      • irene

        We know who the devil is we put up with him for 7 years.

      • Arbie Viau

        Yes, rayhause, I know the Devil is a person, could you be that person? Could anyone be that person? Trump is the only one in the race that has brought up issues that need to be “fixed” and everyone would not have even touched on those issues if he didn’t bring them up. Kudos for Trump, now he’s talking like he wants “we the people” involved – the rest aren’t, particularly since all but Trump are bought an paid for by special interests and lobbyists. Could they be the Devil? Wow, you could look next door to your neighbors and pick them out to the that “person”. Sorry, as you can see, I don’t believe in your logic.

        • rayhause

          That must have been a large glass of koolaid.

    • USMC and America proud

      Hate to spoil your rant, BUttt….
      The fruit of a “Christian” is more or less based on the “fruit of the Spirit”. Not wealth, not how ‘clean’ you are, and any other such judgements. Trump is a good guy to most people, but God laid out a specific set of rules for a person to be a Christian! Has Trump followed those rules? I have no idea! But has he shown the Biblical description of a Christian? Not as I can tell! Would he make a good president? Maybe! Does NOT being a Christian DISQUALIFY one from being a good president? No! Cruz has been caught praying for people! That says he is a Christian! Does that mean he’s perfect? No!
      So what does it take for a person to be a good president? How ’bout the OPPOSITE of Obama? Has Obama lied? Often? Has Obama done things contrary to our Constitution? YES!
      So MY question is, which of the list of candidates shown that they are capable of working within the framework of the Constitution? I KNOW that when you check the voting record of Cruz, it’s completely down the lines of a conservative Constitutionalist! Trump is at best an unknown who talks a good game, but when really pressed about HOW he would go about doing what he says, he goes “I’ll make Mexico pay for the wall”, with NO backup as to how he can do that! Is he right on stopping the inflow of refugees until a system for identifying bad people are in place? YES! But once again, no presentation to aid as how to fix the problem! See, as a Marine, I can tell you that ANYBODY can identify problems, but not everyone who can identify the problems can come up with thoughtful solutions! Our next president MUST be the leader who can work within the framework of the constitution, and not go around it! Our problem AS A NATION is that ‘we the people’ don’t have a clue as to what’s IN the constitution, BECAUSE WE THE PEOPLE NEVER READ IT! I have little faith in voters who themselves are ignorant of what they should be voting for, and how to identify what’s the candidates

      • Arbie Viau

        What you are saying, USMC and America proud, is you have a crystal ball that can tell you who is or isn’t presidential material. In no way am I going to discourage you on how/why you vote. My dissertation was about whether or not Donald Trump clashes with Christianity. I don’t recall any “rules” being a part of “faith” in my bible, but maybe yours is different than mine. If you don’t like my “rant” it’s exactly what I was talking about, Christians who annoy with their “knowledge” about Christianity. It is my opinion that Donald Trump may not act like most Christians do, but you don’t know his heart or mine for that matter. It was Jesus that said “you will know them by their fruits” and he wasn’t talking about the fruit of the Spirit. I suggest you read it again. The rest of your “rant” is up to you and your decision in selecting a candidate. I disagree with you on several points, but the subjects you mentioned were not part of the discussion, they’re your arguments about selection of candidates. Good luck with that!

        • USMC and America proud

          A Cristal ball? No! Evidentiary trail? Yes! As I told a friend the other day, Trump says what angry people, angry at the establishment government want to hear. I told him stop ‘listening to Trump, and start examination of what he ISN’T saying! First assumption from YOU about Trump and ‘being a Christian’! Trump SAID “I’ve done nothing to ask forgiveness for!” The Word says “He who says he has no sin, is a liar and the Truth is not in him!” Truth IS a fruit of the Spirit! Making money, and helping others (such as reports of Trump flying a soldier’s family to a funeral) are “good works”! But the word say “of ye, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children ..” My point was that Trump, as I said, may or may NOT make a good president, because he is an unknown! He has no voting record as to compare against our Constitution! Therefore it is within our relationship to look at what he has said and done to get an idea if where he stands on the constitution and our laws! When you do that, he says he will do things that, just like Obama, is unconstitutional! It’s not about Trump! Its about our Constitution and further destroying the rights we hold dear!
          I want someone who I KNOW will stand with our Constitution! I KNOW from their voting records that the only two candidates running on the GOP ticket, is first Cruz with a 100% Constitutional record and Rubio who has less than 100%!
          From the whining and revisiting “I may run on a third party ticket if the GOP doesn’t give me my way”, and other things that Trump has said and done ..I can’t vote for him, because I see no difference in him and Obama! Both are egotistical and think they’re God’s gift to humanity, but the office of president on down to congressman calls for a servants heart! Most Americans right now, fit the Biblical profile of “a people with itchy ears”! Tell them what they want to hear and they’re satisfied! Obama promised “hope and change! The people voted for him, because that’s what they wanted to hear! The TRUTH, on the other side? The nation slid down further and further towards Sodham and Gmorrah!
          So God has given us a choice! He will give us a leader that we deserve, either one that we have humbled ourselves before Him and prayed, and turned from our wicked ways, OR He will give us the leader that will finish our destruction! It rests in our hands! I for one want this nation to get back to the principles of God that He laid out for us in the Bible. I’m sorry, I just don’t think Trump knows anything about God and His principles! He just knows money!

          • Arbie Viau

            Well, wasn’t that special! What you want (just you) is someone who already has plans that don’t include you (a politician) and let the chips fall where they may. You said a lot and came up with nothing. God used many pagans to defeat evil in the bible, look it up. I’m not saying Trump is a pagan, you did. God can use anyone He wants and you nor I have anything to do with it. I hope you got all that off your chest USMC and America Proud, your rhetoric doesn’t convince me, nor anyone else on this website, see any people that joined you? I got one and you didn’t. Now be a good boy and peddle your garbage somewhere else, okay? Goodbye – Oh, by the way, this is America and you have the right to believe what you want so far, who knows what it would be like if who you picked and won will allow it.

          • USMC and America proud

            And I agree with you! God does use pagans to do His will! But see what His will IS, is to bring us back to Him! But you and I DO have something to do with it! I touched on it above! HE says in His word, “if My people, which are called by My Name, shall humble themselves, pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and heal their land! God ALWAYS gives us a plan for coming back to His Love! We have to interact with Him to find out that beyond a shadow of a doubt, that He loves us, but He won’t put up with our sin! All through the Bible He always shows us the route to follow to serve Him, and He always punishes those that He loves when they step away from Him.
            This Nation has stepped away from God, and what I was saying, we either choose, as a nation, to stop throwing our sin up in His face, and He then will give us a Godly leader, OR we will continue to ignore His wishes, and He will give us another Obama! Our choice!
            To argue that a candidate is better than others means nothing without viewing each through HIS eyes! The best way to view it His way, is through His written word!
            So if you think I’m arguing against Trump? No…I’m only stating my observations about what we know! I’m also stating the same observations about Cruz, Rubio, and others! To wit: when looking at the known records of each man. It becomes clear who stands on the constitution by that which is observed. Now the statement that Cruz doesn’t compromise with others, when viewed in the context of “did his vote match the constitution and what the ‘other’ person wanted to ‘pass’ WASN’T constitutional? Then I’m with Cruz!

      • joanne

        I agree with you entirely here.

      • I Seigel

        Here is an important part of your comment: “See, as a Marine, I can tell you that ANYBODY can identify problems, but not everyone who can identify the problems can come up with thoughtful solutions!”

        And I might add, even fewer people who come up with the solutions have the ability to convince and lead others in carrying out those solutions. Cruz is NOT a proven leader or consensus-builder; just the opposite. Trump has shown he’s a business leader – AT HIS OWN BUSINESS. [Are his businesses publicly owned? Well, I can find one listing for Trump Entertainment Resorts – TRMYQ. Go look it up. His stock is completely in the toilet, almost non-existent. But that’s a side issue].

        Has he shown success at convincing, cajoling or persuading others to adopt his policies, or, as a leader of his own business, is he more used to just laying down the law? The qualities needed for GOVERNING are far different than the qualities needed to run a business. [And you’ll see by his business track record that he hasn’t been a huge, non-stop success, despite his “billions”]

        • USMC and America proud

          {Cruz is NOT a proven leader or consensus-builder; just the opposite.}
          I don’t want, and we don’t NEED a ‘consensus-builder’! That is one of the things that is wrong with us now! We need to get back to the constitution and our nation’s founding values! What does ‘consensus-Building’ do? We have people who yell at me when I say ‘there is no such thing as man made global warming”! They keep saying “but the ‘consensus’ of our scientists say it IS! They agreed in a consensus”! The problem with that statement is, there IS no consensus in science! There’s either proof or denial! You can’t have ‘a bunch of scientists’ who decide that they think a concept is true, and a bunch of scientists who think it isn’t true! Global warming has been proven to be a hoax, yet a consensus of scientists who falsified data to make it look right. STILL want us to believe that a now disprovable theory is fact! So we have on the one hand, people like me who says “although I believe in global warming, I ALSO believe that NONE of it is man made, its all about the cycles of the sun”, and on the other hand, people who don’t understand ‘scientific principles’ that without any evidentiary proof needed, call me names and think I’m the one that’s stupid!
          There should be NO consensus on ANYTHING in our government, ONLY laws based on, and tried against our Constitution! It’s either constitutional or its not! The problems we have now, are letting our servants like Obama, make law without it being tried against the constitution! That’s how we end up with statutes that make it ok for a man to use a woman’s restroom, just because he says he believes he’s a woman! Doesn’t make it right

          • I Seigel

            The Founding Fathers were faced with some choices when they were deciding on the structure of our country. The choices came down to being a society ruled by politics or a society ruled by dictate. Europe had had enough of kings, emperors and dictators. The Founding Fathers came to a CONSENSUS and decided that our country was to governed by politics – that is, the idea of people persuading each other to do what they wanted. In a system like ours, rarely does one side get EVERYTHING they want, and rarely does the other side get NOTHING. Our society was designed by the Founding Fathers so that people have a vested interest in working with each other, so that everyone gets something. And it’s also true that our society is built around the concept – as enshrined on the Statue of Liberty – of welcoming outsiders and building the country on their accomplishments and contributions.

            So it’s really too bad that you don’t care for consensus. The alternative is dictatorship, and that would be very unMarine-like to support that.

            And just in case you hadn’t noticed, every law in the Constitution – and the Constitution itself – was created by Americans reaching a CONSENSUS. No one person dictated the laws or the contents of the Constitution. As someone who swore to defend the Constitution and this country, I’m surprised you don’t understand that.

          • USMC and America proud

            No.., that’s not it! Let’s try it again! You are correct that I will defend the constitution and this nation to the death! What I’m saying is that consensus works AS LONG as it’s within the framework of the Constitution! Consensus OUTSIDE of our Constitution means we are agreeing to pass a law THAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL! This doesn’t work for us! So let’s get real here! Question! Where is separation of church and state in the constitution?

          • I Seigel

            This is a portion of a letter written by one of the Founding Fathers in 1802 to the Danbury (Conn.) Baptist Association:

            “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church and State”
            See the last line? “…a wall of separation between Church and State”. It was the intent of the First Amendment, in the Bill of Rights. The writer of those sentences was Thomas Jefferson. Do you deny that the intent of the First Amendment was to establish limits on the right of the government to interfere with a person exercising his or her practice of religion according to their own choices??

          • I Seigel

            I can see you’ve decided to drop this conversation? Too bad. I was interested in your response.

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