Trump, Tillerson take dim view of world after meetings with NATO, Russian leaders

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April 13, 2017

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Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson emerged from a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday saying relations between Moscow and Washington were “at a low point,” marked by serious distrust in the wake of a chemical weapons attack by Kremlin ally Syria.

“There is a low level of trust between our countries,” Mr. Tillerson told reporters at a joint news conference with his Russian counterpart, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. “The world’s two foremost nuclear powers cannot have this kind of relationship.”

In Washington, President Trump echoed the dim U.S. view of Russia during a news conference with the secretary general of NATO.

“Right now, we’re not getting along with Russia at all,” Mr. Trump said. “Right now, the world is a mess.”

86 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • Pete Bundy says:

    We have had an uneasy relation with Russia since the end of WW11. And Churchill knew Russia for what it is but figured it less evil than N@@i Germany. I think he even said he would make a deal with the devil to stop Hitler. And Russia is hurting due to low oil prices now.

  • Patriot41 says:

    Yes Mr. President the world is a mess right now and so is your nation! We do not need to get into anymore foreign wars right now, until we can prevent sedition here at home and unite our own people.

    You need to concentrate all of your efforts at restoring law and order in this nation and taking legal action against all of those who are promoting sedition within our own nation! That is where our primary national security emphasis should be, within our own borders first!

  • Edgardo L. Perez-De Leon says:

    If US attacks Russia’s friend, Syria, and do not want an independent investigation on your allegations on what Rusia’s friend did –neither to US nor to its friends but to the children of someone US do not know– US cannot expect a friendly relationship with Putin, specially if US friends are AlQueida and ISIS.

  • Richard Bagenstose says:

    oboma wasted 10 trillion dollars and i am all for giving trump 10 trillion more , because with him we will have something to show for it, even if it’s only nice golf courses, as long as oboma is band from playing on them

  • Richard Bagenstose says:

    well their is a way to fix this , you tell the u.n. and nato , they either start doing their jobs or we are getting out of them, and if russia doesn’t come on board you get the eu to stop buying their oil and gas and buy ours, now that we have more then we need, russia will sing a different toone real fast, the only way to fix these people is to hit them where it hurts most in their pocket book, now let’s get our navy back up to power , after the freak oboma has weekend it

  • DrBillLemoine says:

    So long as Trump maintains an indefinite policy in nearly all non-domestic affairs, we’ll have upset and even warfare abroad. There’s no more détente with Russia and America being bipolar stalwarts of the world’s free and wannabe nations. Russia is on the move to recover its former Soviet nations and NATO will oppose. Meanwhile African and other nations will struggle to shed their histories of dictators, tribal chiefs and authoritarian rulers because they see on social media daily what is possible with democratic freedoms in social and economic matters in the Free World. That relegates Trump and his military strongarm to intervene whenever someone whispers in his ear and wails that ‘injustice’ is rampant, akin to Syria’s gas attack last week with resulting cruise missile bombing. It’s no way to run an administration or lead the free world–attacks by circumstance and whim.

    1. Robert Pekarik says:

      Another liberal progressive fundamental transformationist heard from. We the people are tired of tolerating democrats in the peanut gallery.

      1. DrBillLemoine says:

        Typical reactionary conservative fundamental regressionist posting. No attention to my details, no alternative position stated, nothing related to reality or a fellow poster, just whining and non-democratic action hinted. Find a dictator and become subservient. This is a free speech democracy, Robert.

        1. Robert Pekarik says:

          You have no details just the typical anti-Trump liberal democrat talking points. Your hero, the liar-in-chief, Obama set about for 8 years to fundamentally transform our nation into a whiny, anti-American social experiment. His legacy is our demise. Protecting murdering liberals who kill children in the womb, change the true meaning of marriage, allow mentally ill people to determine, on a daily basis, which sex they want to be, useless threats to evil dictators who walked all over are supposed leader of the free world. Our nation dodged a bullet on November 2016 by finally putting into the office of President a patriot and defender of our Constitution. The disease of the corrupt to the core democrat party and main stream media may still destroy America if given the chance. The free speech democracy that you claim we have was subverted by the corrupt to the core Obama administration who used we the peoples government agencies as weapons to maintain dictatorial control of our United States of America. Being naive will not excuse you for being ignorant of what transpired over the past 8 years.

          1. DrBillLemoine says:

            I am glad to supply details to my opinion from above having also the right to editorialize without them. The subject is the world views of Trump and Tillerson which you don’t address. 1. Under Obama, North Africa enjoyed a ‘spring’ of hope for better individual rights and economic freedoms; but dictators are strong and exercise their military might freely. 2. Iran’s rush to weaponized nuclear power was stopped cold, not wished into any halt. 3. In a world oppressive to women, gays, businessmen, citizens and democracy, the president earned a Nobel Peace prize for supporting human beings you would stifle, at home and abroad. 4. The bullet you dodged was firm policies that accentuate the positive for voting, human rights, economic equality, clean environment, more jobs, renewed infrastructure, and strength against our enemies which Clinton exemplified and Trump doesn’t. 5. Obama was corruption free so a breath of fresh air compared to Trump whose ties to mafia, Russian kleptocrats and hidden assets are still being investigated for lawbreaking and even treason. 5. It’s Trump who berates media and Tillerson who travels with no press corps and holds few press conferences who deny free speech and freedom in our Bill of Rights. 6. The one who closely resembles a dictator is nepotist Trump who won’t flesh out government with responsible, scandal-free nominees. I’d conclude by saying you don’t even know your own naivte and gullibility favoring Trump, who contrasts unfavorably with the past 8 years.

          2. Robert Pekarik says:

            1. Obama did nothing to change the minds of dictators in North Africa. They like every other dictator around the world ignored his narcissism and took advantage of his weakness. 2. Iran’s rush to obtain nuclear weapons has not been stopped, just hidden. Again, Obama’s attempt to bribe this terrorist nation was met with continued terrorist actions across the Mid East and laughter at the ideal that if Obama speaks everyone is supposed to listen and obey. Trust and verify was the catch phrase. We now know that the only verification we have is that Obama was a complete failure in international policy making. His ego was 99.9% responsible for that. 3. The Nobel Peace prize was also given to the European Union in 2012 for being champions of peace which is highly controversial. Al Gore and the IPCC in 2007 which was politically motivated and wasn’t directly related to peace just manipulated climate science in order to enrich which he has done sucking up taxpayer monies and shutting down any criticism of his fake data. Obama’s was a joke. “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples” as long as everyone agreed with his narcissistic driven dribble. Talk about politically motivated the liar-in -chief wasn’t even in office for a year but that doesn’t stop the politically motivated far left communist progressive globalists who had their patsy in the position of the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. The Nobel peace prize, means very little once it becomes nothing more than participation trophy. 4. Obama did nothing to improve America. As a matter of fact he single handedly destroyed good paying jobs for the majority of Americans and if you can name one infrastructure project that he accomplished to improve our nation you’d be making it up. He did show America how you can use government to go after your political detractors. Just ask Lois Lerner. He also showed America that as president you should be able to lie anytime it serves your policies and agenda. But, he had plenty of teachers like Stalin and Lenin. 5. Are you kidding me? Before President Trump leaves office the entire Obama administration will be exposed, through no fault of the corrupt main stream media, and tried in American courts for breaking federal laws on multiple occasions. To say that he had a corruption free administration sounds like you were heavily medicated and possibly in a coma from 2008 to 2016.

          3. DrBillLemoine says:

            1. Are you forgetting Ghadafi and Mubarak in N Africa? Absent a democratic alternative, Sisi re-established dictatorship in Egypt. Several nations split up to establish some portion of democratic states. You are projecting Trump narcissism onto Obama, who was stymied by monolithic Republican opposition, resembling isolation and withdrawal.
            2. Guess you don’t know the Iran agreement. Inspections are required; actions aren’t hidden except from news reporting in the Ayatollah’s dictatorship. Obama was only part of the P5+1 nations, essentially the UN security council stopping Khomeini. Your ‘speaks’ is simply a smear crack.
            3. Peace IS highly controversial. It’s hard to get and keep. However, it’s a top goal of freedom seeking people everywhere, just not you.
            4. You must be a newcomer to national news and politics not knowing the years of job growth under Obama after inheriting the Republican/Bush Great Recession. It was Republican congresses, continuing through today, that won’t fund infrastructure jobs. Keystone is a drop in the bucket. Lerner oversaw Cincinnati office misinterpreting permission to let tax exempts do political activities. No organization aka Tea Party PACs can be tax exempt; how’d you miss the details there?
            Also you are missing the Russian links to Trump and projecting back to Obama wrongly. Guess you are gullible for faux news.
            5. The only things exposed by Trump are his emerging connections to mafia, kleptocrats and criminals. Fired Lewandowski, Manafort, Flynn for starters; FBI is proceeding with NSA to expose this crook akin to Nixon as I predicted a year ago.
            You are really out of the news loop and reality, so blame me for the same. Typical right wing projection of your own faults and wrongdoing.

          4. Robert Pekarik says:

            Again nothing but totally drummed up main stream media reports that you ingested with no intent to investigate the truth. The only peace that globalists want is what is called plantation peace where all the humans living under the so called peace have no say in what is happening in and to their lives and they obey the global masters who have crowned themselves the knowers of all that is right. These are the same thinkers that have no idea that evil exists in the world. Every talking point you have shows nothing more than your willingness to be led around by the nose and forfeit your intelligence. We have the perfect chance for true peace but the anti-Christians view laws of God and teachings of Jesus Christ as road blocks to their perversion. immorality and power.

          5. DrBillLemoine says:

            Everything I’ve written is substantiated in multiple news reports. Where do you get your info? It doesn’t take an investigative reporter or the FBI/NSA to tell the smoke is there, and speculate on the fire.
            Sprecken zie Deutsch? Without global alliances you’d be speaking German and bowing down to Hitler now. Without NATO another global alliance it might be Russian. You haven’t got the sense you were born with to think hunkering down inside our borders is all that’s needed for freedom and liberty. Nonsense, and we are threatened again by Putin and Russia, never mind ISIL. Do you vote? That’s ‘a say’ in what happens to you like all the free western nations. Better wake up or you’ll be another Putin lap dog buying his faux news from the bots that infest the inferior news sources you believe.
            Also, you clearly are no disciple of Christ, don’t know your Gospel and that means no fear, just truth you aren’t getting and don’t know it apparently.
            Wake up, Robert. Nobody’s ever tried to change your beliefs, yet you cower in fear of ISIL. America is already standing up to those barbarians which you prefer to democracy, free speech, free press and ‘truth, justice and pursuit of happiness’ we enjoy. The only vacuum is in the heads of you who follow the Russian bots with propaganda Trump spouts about loving Putin and communism. Once you hated commies, but now you vote for them.

          6. Robert Pekarik says:

            Get real. The substantiated multiple news reports you claim you’ve gotten your facts from have been proven time and time again to be the main stream media who only a very few percentage of Americans believe. They lie because they want to control what they want us to believe, which they have been doing for years but now that alternative news agencies have come out these anarchist main stream news outlets are trying their best to reclaim journalistic superiority except that they have no morals, no honesty and are in fact dragging the corrupt to the core democrat party along with them to attempt to provide them with some semblance of honesty. These people are nothing more than far left liberal progressive communists who mirror every communist publication around. Doesn’t seem to me that we’re hunkering inside our borders but keeping evil drug cartels, human traffickers and terrorist out. Obviously this bothers you as you seem to prefer that our nation ignore our laws and Constitution. You sit in your comfortable home and safe space and ignore all the people that are being killed by terrorists. I guess as long as it doesn’t affect you and yours its just fine what goes on in the rest of the world. Make up your mind William do you believe in our Constitution, our One Nation Under God or the lying far left liberal progressive perverts who only talk about how things should be and rail against anyone that tries to make America safe and a leader. Seems like your on the side of anyone who is against our nation and can’t wait for our duly elected President to fail. Hypocrite.

          7. DrBillLemoine says:

            You must also be a climate denier, an opponent of science. That’s what right wing extremists are–ignorant of facts and avoiders of truth. I notice you provide no sources for your assertions. Remember, your pals are a minority of people polled across the nation, that’s a tiny percentage of Americans. So we also see you ignore a torrent of lies by Trump himself in everything where he opens his mouth or thumbs a tweet.
            You also aren’t very particular about words. ‘Alternative news agencies’ are not the same thing as ‘alternative facts’ or news. I peruse the left and mostly mainstream and right news outlets, get emails from all sides and quite a variety of cable broadcasts. Your smear of media is unwarranted except Fox (comedy) New and the right wing blogs like this one dealing with half stories, half truths and speculations, but short on investigative journalism and stories that aren’t propaganda. You yourself have in this thread spewed many of the false stories perpetuated by Russian bots and alt right, read white supremacist, sources with your narrow views we all see here. Nobody rushes to support your ‘honest’, ‘superior’, ‘alternative’ and ‘moral’ views. You are alone for the most part. By contrast I am recognized everywhere and stalked by Russian sympathizers who hate my American viewpoints–that’s ‘majority’ viewpoints to you.
            Try using a dictionary some time to distinguish your false lumping together of labels ‘far left’, liberal’, ‘progressive’ that are not the same thing, not descriptive, just pejorative.
            America is safe and has been since 911. You succumb to all the ISIL, commie and right wing propaganda by your posts, fearful and loose and partisan as they are. I double dare you to choose just one issue abroad for in depth discussion with me–as the original article was about foreign affairs. From my posts I’d say I’m more patriotic than you.

          8. Robert Pekarik says:

            People like you are truly thick as a brick. You’ll be constantly stuck in the muck and mire of far left liberal progressive lies. The majority of Americans are sick and tired of the communist preaching of you leftists. The factual proof? The peoples choice on November 12, 2016 when we said that we will no longer continue on the corrupt, immoral and evil path that the liberal progressive democrats under Obamas leadership were taking America. No matter what you wish, or think or believe the FACT is that you were completely rejected. The problem with you communists? You forgot the we are the United States of America and we do not tolerate fools. No matter how many American citizens you threaten, how many American citizens you assault, no matter how many American citizens businesses you destroy we the people will stand against you and your corrupt, immoral and perverted agendas. It’s time for you to look for a country that buys into your evil propaganda because it won’t be the United States of America. You liberal progressives will never learn and as you continue to spew your hate for our nation you will never ever regain power in America again and you’re to ignorant to realize that your fake news, useless whining and personal attacks on true Americans convinces we the people that you are the clear and present danger within our nation.

          9. NM Leon says:

            After a year of investigation without finding any fire, it doesn’t take an investigative reporter or the FBI/NSA to tell the smoke is what’s being blown up their arse by libtard Dems.

            Thank Obozo’s foreign policy for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, military presence in the ME, threats to East Europe, etc. It’s difficult to tell whether Obozo was more a lapdog to Putin or to Khamenei.

          10. NM Leon says:

            1. Get a clue, idiot. Qaddafi was a dictator, but Libya was stable until we killed him and let al Qaida militias take over, same with Egypt under Mubarak. Who replaced him? Oh yeah, the head of the Muslim Brotherhood.

            2. Inspections are required at Iranian nuclear facilities, but according to the agreement Obozo signed, several of the most suspicious facilities are only “inspected” by the Iranians themselves. I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’ll sell you if you believe what they report about themselves.

            3. “If you would have peace, prepare for for war.” ” Those that turn their swords to plowshares plow for those that didn’t”

            4. Slowest recovery since we have measured them, and the lowest participation rate since the ’70s.

            5. Connections to Russia? you mean like approving the sale of 20% of US iranium so that your husband can get $500,000 for a 45 minute speech in Moscow? Or maybe you mean like telling Medvedev, “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space,This is my last election, After my election I have more flexibility.” Those certainly sound like collusion to me.

            Get some original ideas, BB, instead of just parroting libtard talking points.

          11. NM Leon says:

            1. Can you say Libya, Egypt, Sudan? It may surprise you to learn that they are in N.Africa
            2. How can you tell what Iran’s nuclear program is doing when they don’t allow inspections at key facilities?
            3. Fittingly, Obozo shares the prize with such stalwarts of peace as Albert Lutuli, Yassar Arafat, Al Gore, and Le Duc Tho.
            4. The bullet we dodged was having a corrupt criminal as a president.
            5. Iran nuke deal without Senate ratification as Constitutionally required. IRS targets conservatives which the IG said was illegal and the IRS apologized for, but no prosecution. DOJ spies on reporters. Obozocare & Obozo’s flat out lies. Unconstitutional Illegal-alien amnesty by executive order. Benghazi-gate and gun running to ISIS in Syria. Operation Fast & Furious. 5 Taliban leaders for Bergdahl. Put a target on the backs of SEAL team 6 by identifying them as who killed Bin Laden. Attempted recess ‘ appointments – when Senate was in session. NSA Spying on Americans. Solyndra, Cap and trade (bypassing congress). Eygpt. Refusal to prosecute New Black Panthers.
            6. You are an idiot who if Trump were to walk on water would scream that he is afraid to get wet.

          12. Robert Pekarik says:

            Dr. Liberal didn’t read any of the facts you laid out Leon in the main stream media publications so they must not be true. I don’t believe he comes out of his house or views any rational news programs. The doc was taught in a far left liberal public school, and a extremely far left indoctrination center that was falsely called a college. He never dared to question the radical communist professors as they fed him one propaganda teaching after another. Talk about a snowflake.

          13. NM Leon says:

            He’s a 75 year old retired teacher who claims all sorts of knowledge he clearly doesn’t have. If he actually got a PhD, it was a PhDumbschitte.

          14. Retired says:

            You hit the Nail quite squarely about the Dr. .

          15. Jesse Vasquez says:

            Well said Robert, Ignorance is Forgivable, Stupidity, well, that can’t be fixed.

          16. Robert Pekarik says:

            Makes you wonder Jesse, if this guys a doctor, what is the state of our countries medical learning institutions?

        2. NM Leon says:

          What details, idiot?

        3. the whistler says:

          Tossing out verbal Bombs with no solutions of your own described in the post is neither ‘details’..nor a position.Your post was essentially a series of opinions that were intended to incite the readers /regulars that use this forum….which is clearly advertised as a Conservative site. So you accomplished your goal and pissed people off AND now you are wondering …How in this free speech democracy could I possibly tick off anyone on this Post???
          Your post was argumentative , vile, and merely your biases expressed as opinions. Your response to Robert Pakarik was intellectually dishonest and a typical Alinsky tactic….Make a few incendiary statements , wait for a response ,and then accuse your responders of being incendiary. If you walked into a bar and said the stuff you wrote in your post do you believe you would invoke an intellectual intermingling of Liberal and Conservative ideas …OR do you think you would start a fight????
          I’m done talking to you because you use this forum as your means of avoiding a physical confrontation ( ie an ASSKICKN’) and toying with your oppositions inability to call you out for your cowardice to your face… although I will admit they do a great job of calling you out for what you are with their words!!!

          1. NM Leon says:

            Yep, he’s a libtard troll, and that’s exactly what they do.

      2. NM Leon says:

        He’s a longtime libtard troll.

        1. Retired says:

          A Bunker Bomb would not penetrate his hardened Brain cells .

          1. NM Leon says:

            Years ago he made a concerted effort to be open minded…and his brain fell out.

          2. Retired says:

            LOL , good description and must have hurt his toes falling out .

    2. NM Leon says:

      Uh, newsflash Bullschitte Billy, Trump has been in office what, 84 days?

      Russia on the move to recover its former Soviet nations, unrest in Africa, ME on fire are all leftovers from 8 years of Obozo.

    3. Retired says:

      What rock have you been sleeping under for decades , crap has been going on since WW2 all over the world , better change your source of information .

  • Jean Langford M. says:

    THE AMERICAN “PRESIDENT” REFUSES TO BE SHOVED TO THE SIDE TO IRREVELANCE…AND THE WORLD UNDER PUTIN HAS GOT A TASTE OF “PUSH BACK.” I GUESS THE UKRAINE DOES NOT QUALIFY AS A SOVEREIGN NATION UNDER PUTIN….SO STOP WITH THE “ATTACK ON A SOVEREIGN NATION” ROUTINE PUTIN…YOUR THE REAL AGRESSOR HERE….

    1. bobnstuff says:

      Good point.

  • bobnstuff says:

    President Trump is finding out what the real world is like, not the one some of his advisors spun for him. I believe one of the reasons Bannon is on the outs is that he had convinces the President that he could work with Russia. Once he gets all the Russian supporters out of his administration he might just be able to put out a realistic foreign policy. We are seeing the beginnings of it in how the President is talking about both Russia and China. Lets just hope his education doesn’t take to long and we don’t blow up the planet first. Go Trump Go, you are learning. Remember China needs our markets and Russia doesn’t need us for anything.

    1. chw2000 says:

      Bob, that was encouraging. A positive remark about our President. I;m impressed.

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Trump is moving in the right direction. I hope and pray he can keep the course he is on. Those good people that elected him are not going to be happy with him if keeps going though. He has even talked about working with the Democrats to get things done. Some times the man makes the job but I think the job might just make the man in this case. As I say my payers are for our President on our Country.

    2. the whistler says:

      Is a MOAB convincing enough???

      1. bobnstuff says:

        I bet that General John Nicholson was just dying to find an excuse to use that bomb.”Boys with there toys”. That’s one BIG firecracker.

        1. NM Leon says:

          One heck of a lot better than sending his troops into caves and tunnels.

          1. bobnstuff says:

            That bomb was 30% of all the bombs dropped in the bombing of Dresden. It is truly impressive in it’s power. It my have been overkill. That puppy will go through over 20ft of concrete. Lets hope they found a target worthy of it’s power.

          2. NM Leon says:

            Probably wouldn’t go through 20′ of concrete, it’s an air burst thermobaric weapon, not a penetrator. Dropped over the cave/tunnel complex it would send a pressure wave through the air, including the air in the caves/tunnels and basically ignite the atmosphere. Those that didn’t die in the blast or the fire would suffocate from all the O2 having been used up.

            We have better weapons that could be delivered more safely, but this definitely sends a message. We used BLU-82s (MOAB predecessor) in the Gulf War and found that an unintended benefit was the psychological effect they had on Iraqi soldiers.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            You are right, I just assumed it was a bunker busters since that’s what they were using it for. The question is why did they use it. It’s an impressive bomb but not the right tool for the right job.As I say Boy’s with their toys.” Who were they trying to impress.

          4. NM Leon says:

            “Who were they trying to impress”

            You mean who were they trying to send a message to? Everyone other than the ones we killed.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            I’m not sure the people who need the message will get it. That air strip we hit with all those rockets would have been a better message except for all the people it would have killed. We might have killed the Russians that helped pull the chemical attack off. Showing off all are pretty toys and the fact we will use them is fine but building their respect is more important. Lets hope Trump can pull it off.

          6. NM Leon says:

            For 8 years the people who need the message have known that they could act with impunity…hopefully they are paying attention to the new sheriff’s actions.

          7. bobnstuff says:

            We are talking about the President that would send in drones to take people out right?

          8. Retired says:

            You mean the Idiot that let ISIS grow for 8 years and invade Iraq , the same idiot that called them JV. Then you also forget the part Clintons played in those 8 years .

          9. bobnstuff says:

            So tell me why we should send more people over there to DIE. I have notice that Trump isn’t rushing to send a bunch to troops over there either.

          10. Retired says:

            You and Dr. are the ones about bringing troops over there. Neither of you have Military knowledge other than reading the left wing propaganda . You are so fixed on Russia while the slaughter in the far east goes on. The whole world is in a big mess thanks to 16 years of Clinton and Obama.

          11. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry to burst your bobble but you are the clueless one when it comes to the military. You seem to think that having pushed a pencil while in uniform makes you an expert. I may have not served but I grow up in a family of officers, not grunts.

            If you want to blame the carnage in the middle east you might want to look at who invaded the wrong country for WMD that weren’t there.

          12. Retired says:

            Did you forget how many years it took of warning that we are coming so that there was plenty of time to do a clean sweep and transfer the material??? Who was the President before him ???? The way things are done have not changed in the Military just the new tech stuff. You eat up what the media puts out and support the left wing even though you claim to be republican . You are a big Bullshitter and know better than what you post .

          13. bobnstuff says:

            Bush wanted to go after the guy who tried to kill Daddy. There were no WMD’s and hadn’t been any for a while but Bush went in anyway. You say that Clinton let them have time to get rid of the weapons but in fact they got rid of them.without sending in 50,000 troops. You seem to think that the military hasn’t changed, boy you sure are out of touch. Go talk to the people serving our country. Things have changed big time. The new recruits are substandard, We bring in contractors to do everything. No more KP or even working in the motor pool. Things have changed big time. The military has become a cash cow for our defense contractors. Spend more and get less, that the modern US military.

          14. Retired says:

            Yes I remember the change thanks to Democrats creating jobs for the minority people , that goes for all you mentioned . There you go again putting words in other peoples mouth. Some of it started decades ago . Living near a base does keep me informed compared to you in country hicks . I can use all the facilities including the club mess so yah you are right I have no knowledge only in your mind . The pentagon also has a lot to do with the changes just like they keep on changing uniforms of which the latest was the Unisex hat [ what a joke and waste of money ]. Clinton was a wimp just like Obama .

          15. bobnstuff says:

            Yes valuing lives make people wimps. You like strong presidents that bring home lots of body bags.

          16. Retired says:

            There you go again telling lies , no one likes the Idea of body bags . Clinton had the chance several times to get the criminal but chickened out . If Clinton had gotten rid of the world trash we would not be in todays mess thanks to the spiral effect .Keep on supporting the demonrats .

          17. bobnstuff says:

            You support people who would send in troops. That makes you a supporter of death. Twist it how ever you want but you support the people who send our people in harms way. You like war, you think it make America look strong. Those body bags are thanks to people like you. Iraq had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda and had we not invaded it there wouldn’t be any ISIS today. That one you can thank GW for.

          18. Retired says:

            Isis has been around a long time just that is the last name of a long list of names over the centuries . You evidently don’t pay much attention as to what goes on world wide . Why is it you Democrats never accept the Clinton F____ up and bush would never had gone in ???? Just Like Obama did the same in Syria and not stopping them from invading Iraq . It was the Pentagons fault that our equipment was left behind .

          19. bobnstuff says:

            You are just proving how clueless you are once again.ISIS is a fairly new group, grew to what it is today thanks to good old GW. You are amazing in you lack of knowledge about things.
            http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/isis-a-history-how-the-worlds-worst-terror-group-came-to-be/ar-BBncKrR?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=HPCDHP

          20. Retired says:

            Now you can not read either . You can take your GW BS and shove up your tail , time for you to admit Clinton screwed up . It just proves your claim of being a republican is one big fat lie.

          21. Retired says:

            You can be the Queen of BS you know that .

          22. NM Leon says:

            Yeah, kind of like the president (41) who cruise missiled camels and aspirin factories. Drones (and cruise missiles) have their place but the people on the other side know their limitations.

            We had mortars and rockets fired onto the bases I was at in Iraq and it didn’t raise your blood pressure when the sirens went off. The odds of one hitting you were very low. If AQI had had anything like a MOAB and the sirens went off…well the pucker factor would have been enormous.

            The odds of being droned or cruise missiled are very low for the average grunt Jihadi. Today a whole bunch of average grunt Jihadis who thought that at worst they would get to kill a bunch of GIs while they cleared their path to paradise found themselves suddenly dead, and all their buddies who weren’t there saw it too.

          23. bobnstuff says:

            The problem with a weapon like the MOAB is it kills to many civilians. This is a WMD if there ever was one. It’s a good thing to have but best not used. I’m not sure the ISIS fighters would really care if they were shot or blown up.

          24. NM Leon says:

            Used in the wrong setting it certainly would kill a lot of innocents which would likely be viewed as a war crime, but not WMD. WMD are defined as, “Weapons of mass destruction (WMD) are chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons or devices capable of a high order of destruction and/or causing mass casualties.”. http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/new_pubs/jp3_40.pdf

            The ISIS guys who were in the caves/tunnels don’t care at all…they’re dead. The ISIS (and Taliban) Jihadis who weren’t there have just gotten a message that their strongholds aren’t.

          25. bobnstuff says:

            This weapon fits you definition of a WMD.
            “or a device capable of high order of destruction and/ or causing mass casualties.”
            I don’t know how much you know about the bombing of Dresden in 1945 but it was the most devastating non nuclear bombing in history. It would only take three of these bombs to create the same level of destruction.
            http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-dresden

          26. NM Leon says:

            No, that’s the US Army’s definition, and they don’t classify it as WMD.

            You obviously have no explosives experience. Dropping three MOABs on Dresden would perhaps have equaled the total explosive energy as what was dropped in WWII, but would have resulted in 3 areas of 3 or 4 sq blocks (depending on the structures present) being destroyed. At Dresden we saturation bombed with incendiaries, Not very powerful bombs relatively speaking, but designed to set everything on fire (we did the same to Tokyo).

          27. Retired says:

            Boy are you ever mislead , Trump was not trying to start a war , if you would switch to better sources you might learn something. it was quite clear what Trump did except in the minds of the left wing .Better spend some time looking up on the making of the gas that Syria used and where it came from.

          28. bobnstuff says:

            Gee, attacking a sovereign nation with missiles isn’t trying to start a war. So what world leader hasn’t Trump pissed off. The thing is Trump is beginning to figure out this president thing. The rocket attack wasn’t all that bad an idea even if it really didn’t do anything. I remember when you complain that Obama and his relationship with Russia. Now it’s even worse. You complained that other countries didn’t respect Obama, look at what they think about Trump. If Obama was bad for our countries respect Trump is even worse. The rest of the world is trying to figure out how we let him get in office. The funny thing is that Trump is beginning to come around and there is hope yet. We can wait and see.

          29. Retired says:

            What are you reading the NE or old fish wrapping papers out of NY .Obama was tolerated thanks to the UN .Bill Clinton was liked because he could hand out a good line of BS . The Media hates Trump because Hillary lost .The free world media is controlled by a Hand full of people influanced by Soros and his followers along with the money changers. You are not that stupid as what you post

          30. bobnstuff says:

            You are a joke. You are sure no real conservative, as I have said before you are a tabloid conservative, living on miss information and lies. Go read some of the real conservative publications like the Christian Science Monitor or the Weekly Standard. You get your news from the fake news sources like Brietbart and Fox. The media doesn’t respect Trump because he has lied like a rug. Trump attacked the media for telling the truth about him.

          31. Retired says:

            Never claimed to be a conservative – Republican – Democrat or Independent , that is all you BS Never read Tabloids or fish wrappings like you do I don’t use pay TV so that blows that out your tail pipe . You got the Media and Trump backwards again as usual , maybe you should look into who owns the media and controls them . While you are at it check who owns what you mentioned .

          32. bobnstuff says:

            You don’t even know what a tabloid is. You repeat them chapter and verse daily. You get your news off the net from peoples basements. Your knowledge of the media is about as good as your knowledge about everything else, very limited.

          33. Retired says:

            Typical BS story teller, can’t win you come up with fiction . You are a Democrat for sure .

          34. bobnstuff says:

            Well you described your sell as being nothing, a very good description of you. You make a lot of noise but have little going on. I think you post just to see your words in print. You say you don’t watch TV, you don’t read mainstream media so all you have left is the junk sites.

          35. Retired says:

            There you go assuming things again , as I said before no pay TV . there are plenty outlets to get news mainly international . Plus I have foreign contacts , have you ever left your city or state ???? Tell us what mainstream you trust ???

          36. bobnstuff says:

            So how many Russian generals do you know? I spent a week with the family at my home. How may Iranians have you spent time with and call you brother? You don’t have to go very far to know people from all over the world or for that matter out of this world. I have gotten Email from the international space station. And if you want something declassified from the Air force archives talk to my oldest daughters God Father.

          37. Retired says:

            This is one of your best BS posts , you have no clue about Classified info and how out of date it is once declassified . You know nothing about the Russia party membership. Just more lie from bobnbullshitsky .

          38. Retired says:

            You assume a lot before you post , it was not a bunker bomb , better change your source of news information .

          39. bobnstuff says:

            When they described what they used the bomb to do one would assume it was a bunker buster.

          40. Retired says:

            You were not paying attention or listening to the wrong people as usual . The Info was Quite clear of this particular bomb and how long the plan to use it was .

          41. Retired says:

            He does not know the procedure of going to using it and when it started .

        2. Retired says:

          Another Un Informed comment . Are you and Dr. the same person . Neither of you have the facts on the plan to use it..

  • Shelly Shannon says:

    This relationship between the US and Russia has always been horrible since the cold war. It’s just coming out into the open because we’re putting pressure on Russia, and Putin doesn’t like it. Russia wanted an investigation into the Syrian chemical attack but then blocked the resolution after they were allowed to do it. These are games that Russia plays, not our President. They don’t want better relations. So if liberals want to blame this on the President then so be it, but I would think that they would realize standing bye and letting Putin and Assad kill off millions of people would not be an acceptable plan. No other way but pressure, pressure, pressure.

  • Pete says:

    Hay David, news flash!! Donald J Trump is now (and has been since 1/20/20017) President Donald J Trump. You seemed to have no problem with calling the former holder of the oval office President Obama. Your undies still seem to be in a wad over the November 8th 2016.

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