Hawaii Puts Names Of Law-Abiding Gun Owners Into Federal Database

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June 27, 2016


On June 23, Hawaii Governor David Ige (D) signed a bill into law placing all of the state’s law-abiding gun owners in a federal database.
The database – called “Rap Back” – is run by the FBI and will alert Hawaiian law enforcement if a Hawaiian gun owner is arrested for a crime anywhere in the United States. Fox 59 quoted Ige saying, “This will allow county police departments in Hawaii to evaluate whether the firearm owner may continue to legally possess and own firearms.”

The bill, which received heavy opposition from gun owners and gun rights groups, was passed by a Democrat-controlled legislature under the presumption that background checks are not enough.

Honolulu Police Department Maj. Richard Robinson supported passage of the new law, arguing that background checks at the point of sale are not sufficient. He believes using the federal database is a way of allowing law enforcement to keep check on gun owners long after the sale has taken place.

Robinson said placing Hawaii’s gun owners into the database “in essence provide(s) an ongoing background check on firearm owners to determine their eligibility to own and possess a firearm.”

  • Lkfeinb

    An infringement is not an absolute but is an invasion of right that breaks the possessor’s right. There are restrictions that arguably would not be infringements of the right to bear arms. The fact that “infringe” does not make the final draft of the first amendment tells you its use there could have weakened those rights.

    • Rob1911a1

      Lkfeinb – That is your definition, NOT the one in the dictionary, since you prefer facts. Per Merriam-Webster dictionary: Definition of infringement. 1 : the act of infringing : violation. 2 : an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege. Clearly NOT what you claimed.

      • Rob1911a1

        “An ENCROACHMENT or trespass on a right or privilege”. That is the definition given by the dictionary, again, NOT yours. Our founders gave meticulous thought to each word, every phrase, sentence, and paragraph so as to leave no doubt as to their meaning. All of this gun control nonsense DID NOT EXIST when you and I were young; this is an outgrowth of the communist/socialist subversion starting in the 1960s.

  • Lkfeinb

    What are you so afraid of? Are you afraid that you will have the same rate of gun murders as Canada? That can never be. It is too late. There are too many guns and too many gun shows in this country. Don’t worry. We still have many more massacres to come.

    • Rodney Steward

      Since you’ve come in here and run those D-Sers about our guns, do you even know where America ranks among the rest of the world in gun crime, I was surprised when I read the FBI report! Where do we rank, IF U CAN!! Hint, it’s not in the top 20!!

      • Lkfeinb

        Do you really want to know? In the February 1 issue of the American Journal of Medicine it was stated that Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than people in other DEVELOPED countries. We have more firearms per capita than any other country in the world and suffer “disproportionately” compared to other high income countries.
        The World Health Organization findings: Although there are similar rates of non-lethal crimes as other countries, the United States has a much higher rate of deadly violence ,mostly due to gun related murders. The United States is six times more likely than other high income countries to have citizens killed ACCIDENTALLY with a gun.

        • Rodney Steward

          Sorry, but you’re eat up with bullsh$t, America is ranked 112th in the WORD in gun violence, and U can take your uneducated DEM. BS back to the Kool-Aid factory! Obama has told more gun lies than any other LEGAL President we’ve had, but he did get liar of the year 2 years in a row! And the world health ORG. is no better than the the NY Times, half bullsh$t ! There’s 2 countries that are wanting to arm their citizens again because of all the muslims that have poured in because of being gun FREE, Germany and England! They’re fed up with the UN’s push for world gun control like a growing # of other countries! You need to do some catching up boy!

          • Lkfeinb

            And you are arguing with the American Medical Association also? Actual statistics don’t matter. All BS to you. Only YOUR feelings and anger are relevant. I understand that.

          • Rodney Steward

            Everytime they put out some kind of BS, a month or 2 later they change it, they’re kinda like these climate change idiots, they couldn’t prove it was warming enough to keep calling it global warming, so they changed the name, and they nailed it! The climate changes everyday, yesterday it was 91, and today it’s 93, now that’s change! WOW!! This is the educated at it’s best!!

          • Lkfeinb

            They NEVER changed it. They just changed the terminology because Global Warming is causing tornados and earthquakes so Climate change is a better discription. It is still happening! You just cannot take being wrong. Your self esteem is dependent on being angry and right about everything. Screw the facts, right?

          • Rodney Steward

            There’s never been any facts other than the Scientist that get paid to say it! It’s just another attempt at control of peoples lives, and the transformation of world wealth! This is just more push by the UN, and the UN is the new enemy and is helping push the NWO, and of course with the funding from the sick B-TARD Soros, that’s funding everything else evil and wrong in this country!

          • Lkfeinb

            Luckily you are not in the majority. Most people believe in scientific evidence. But you are entitled to dismiss all proven facts and think the way you are most comfortable .

          • Rodney Steward

            The reason why the majority of the people don’t believe the PONZI scheme, it’s just the words of a very few, but NO FACTS!!

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – I don’t have time to get into it, but the whole “global warming” notion is nonsense. When I was 26, in 1975, I went into the service. From 1940 to 1975, winter’s in the northern hemisphere were so severe that by the 1970s the environmentalists and many scientist were concerned about the possibility of the next ice age starting; in fact, an April 1975 issue of Newseek had a cover story on “The Coming Ice Age”. (One of the environmental extremists promoting this was – James Hansen!). Only 13 years later, in 1988, Hansen wrote a computer program (a model) predicting huge temperature rises. In 28 years, no such thing has come to pass. No, we are not having more severe storms. More importantly, there has been NO significant temperature rise! Read Dr. S. Fred Singer’s book “Global Warming Every 1,500 years”. (Dr. Singer, at 90, is America’s dean of meteorology, and the father of the modern weather satellite).

          • Lkfeinb

            Some things you say may be so, but fossil fuels are causing climate change and I don’t think there is a damn thing we can do about it. The freighters on the ocean are a huge problem. You are only reading the stuff that is confirming your views.
            We have started to flood here in Florida. There is immense concern about the expensive real estate. After a storm half of Miami Beach is flooded.
            California, FLorida and Lower Manhattan will be the first to go. Luckily we won’t be around to see it, but it will be a huge problem for our children.

          • Rob1911a1

            No, fossil fuels are NOT causing climate change. Sea levels have risen 8 inches in the last century; this is well within the normal increases and decreases per century, as geology shows us. The flooded real estate is more a problem with people building on the water, not to mention a nation whose population has gone from ~150 million when I was born in 1949 to over 300 million today, with an ever increasing portion living near the ocean. The whole CO2 thing from fossil fuels is nonsense; as any high school biology text can tell you, 79% of our atmosphere is nitrogen, 19% is oxygen, and that leaves 2% for ALL other gases. Methane, sulfurous, traces of helium, hydrogen, radon, and so on. CO2 – .04% of the atmosphere. Four one hundreths, that’s all. Next, it is heavier than air, so, except for volcanic eruptions, it comes to the ground. Next, IT MAKES PLANTS GROW. Plant respiration is the opposite of faunal respiration; we take in O2 and exhale CO2. Plants take IN CO2, and, after photosynthesis, exhale O2! Greenhouses pump in CO2 to make plants grow. Next, the natural processes of the earth – volcanism, earthquakes, sea water evaporation, rotting vegetation and rotting flesh, these produce 97% of the CO2 on earth; humans contribute 3%. So, three percent of four hundreths of one percent – meaningless. Clouds and methane (from animal flatulence) interfere with the sunlight than anything else. I could go on for days, since I have a scientific background as well as military, but I am old and tired right now.

          • Lkfeinb

            This is a great internet site for you. Most of the people confirm what you already believe. Keep at it.

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – There are ”statistics” are cherry picked data; they count all suicides, all justifiable homicides, and all accidents in their statistics. There were actually only a little over 8,000 murders involving firearms for the most recent years data; in fact, America’s murder rate is the lowest it has been since 1963. Also, I mentioned that we are one of the safest nations in the world, with 4 per 100,000 murders per year; England has 2 per 100,000. These people’s ‘statistics’ would state that we have twice the murder rate of England; however true that might statistically be, the reality is, both nations have extraordinarily low murder rates. As noted we are 107th in the world. Look at Switzerland, where every home has a handgun, rifle, shotgun, and machine gun; or Finland, where 2 out of every three people own a firearm; Sweden and Norway are similar. Their murder rates – almost non-existent.

        • Rob1911a1

          Those so called ‘findings’ are ideological rather than factual. Not only does America not even make the top 20 nations with the highest murder rate, we are 107th out of over 200 countries, with ~4 murders per 100,000 per year. For example:

          Honduras – 88 murders per 100,000 per year El Salvador – 64 Venezuela -62 Lesotho – 38 Jamaica – 36.1 Belize St. Kitts and Nevis South Africa Guatemala Bahamas Columbia Trinidad and Tobago

          St. Vincent and the Grenadines Brazil St. Lucia Guyana Montserrat Tuvalu Puerto Rico Domician Republic The US is 107th in the world, with a scant 4 per 100,000 – and most of those occur in those locales with the most stringent prohibitions against gun ownership! Also, they were far fewer than 1,000 (I believe something like 512 for the most recent year) accident firearms deaths; the were over 2,000 accidental drownings in that year. In a nation with over 300,000,000 people, and about that many firearms, with BILLIONS of rounds fired every year, that’s remarkably good.

          • Lkfeinb

            We are talking about middle income developed nations. Those are the only realistic comparisons we can make. Not third world countries, Not countries with huge poverty, not countries at war.

          • Lkfeinb

            The American Medical Association. You want to dispute their figures?

  • Bowserb

    Don’t know about Five-Oh, but in Texas the DPS says that Texas with a License to Carry are 5% as likely to commit a crime as the general population and only 40% as likely as a law enforcement officer. Clearly this is a smoke screen to start registration. If there is not a lawsuit over this, the CA will surely be next. Then the dominos will start falling.

  • ONTIME

    Constitutional violation of major proportion, you assume the gun owners are guilty of a criminal act by simply owning a legal weapon and that the state has the right to put them on a FBI list as though they were on some kind of no-fly list…To make use of a object lesson, make all government electees publicly out their salaries, other incomes, perks, biz holdings and transactions while in office…Who knows they “might” be criminals………

    • Lkfeinb

      It is a lethal weapon. Automobile infractions are tracked by your licence even when you go to other states.

      • Rob1911a1

        Lkfeinb – Of course firearms are lethal weapons; that’s what they are for. However, felons are already prohibited by the law from owning, possessing, or using firearms (they acquire them ILLEGALLY), and this follows them everywhere. Next, there is no relation to cars; one needs a license to drive on the PUBLIC ROADWAYS. However, having grown up farming, I know for a fact that one can drive a variety of vehicles on one’s own property sans license, or plates, or any other things. That in fact includes the public roads around the farm should one need to drive a vehicle from one portion of the farm to another and the road is the only route.

        • Lkfeinb

          No one is trying to take guns away from anyone. The fact that they should be registered and, if a crime is committed with one, that person should be able to be found.

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfneinb – Actually, that assertion is untrue. Sen Feinstein stated publicly in the 1990s that “… if I had the votes, Mr. and Mrs. America, I’d be coming for your guns right now”. Barack Obama, in 1999 in Illinois, stated that ”…no citizen should be allowed to own a firearm”. Other quotes like these are so numerous it’s hard to keep track of them all. Registration has ALWAYS been a prelude to confiscation (see England; Australia; NAZI Germany – and we see how well THAT turned out). Finally, as always, what part of ”…shall not be infringed” do you fail to understand, especially in light of both the Heller and Chicago decisions. More importantly, registration would served to constructive purpose.

          • Lkfeinb

            Well Obama got the votes. Did he come for your guns? It is logistically impossible. And maybe some people would rather no citizens were allowed machine guns. I happen to be one of them, but I would not take away anyone else’s right to own a normal gun. I would like safety guns to be mandatory that could only be fired with specific fingerprints. etc.

            Guns are registered all over the world in most developed countries and they aren’t confiscated. We ,in this country, do have the right to bear arms and , if you saw the definition of “infringed that I sent out, you would see that restrictions can be placed on it.

            I think England and Canada and Australia are doing quite well with their gun laws. They do have an immigrant problem, but their gun violence is much lower than ours.

          • Rob1911a1

            You still don’t seem to get it; the government has no legal authority to pass such laws. As for Canada and England, there crime and violence rates have increased dramatically since they passed their draconian legislation. More importantly, they are not free citizens; they are subjects of the Crown or government, which can give or take away ”rights”. We have rights that are above the government.

          • Lkfeinb

            Our Bill of Rights is based on theirs!!!

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – Good; you will be happy to learn that the English colonists, when subjects of the British Crown, were REQUIRED to be armed in defense of the Crown! That right was only taken away by the Crown in the 20th century, under the socialist influence that has polluted Europe, and, now, America.

          • Lkfeinb

            Well then, Rob, don’t pay any attention to the laws that will ultimately be passed. Hawaii is just the beginning. Just tell whomever wants to register your gun that it is illegal. See how far you will get.

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – I won’t, nor will most states pass them. More importantly, HOW WILL ANYONE KNOW WHO HAS FIREARMS TO REGISTER. Also, you clearly did not read the 4th Amendment that I posted. Next, the FBI is FORBIDDEN BY LAW from keeping registration records. The NICS system can only keep records of FELONS, not private citizens; by law legal purchases MUST be eliminated. Also, of course, many states will pass nullification laws such that their citizens are protected from illegal Federal laws; Virginia, for example, has already done so. I could manufacture firearms in VA (assuming I were a Master Machinist with a shop full of equipment) and sell said guns to residents of the Commonwealth legally. Again, you don’t seem to have read your constitution. The government was granted ~35 powers; that’s it. The power to interfere with our firearms rights is NOT included there; in fact, the government’s prime DUTY is to PROTECT those rights. This is why State Nullification exists.

          • Lkfeinb

            By the way, just because you say it doesn’t make it true. Diane Feinstein was speaking only about assault weapons. She said that if she could get 54 senate votes to ban those weapons she would do so. She was not out to take everyone’s guns. Ted Cruz said that she said that and it was totally false. You can look that up in Google.

          • Rob1911a1

            First, there are no ”semi automatic” assault weapons; as a veteran, I have used real assault weapons, i.e., machine guns. Semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, and handguns have bee around since the late 1800s. Just like a revolver, you pull the trigger once, they go off once. As for looking something up on google – please. Maybe you are young (I am not). I heard her speech, and she DID say what I asserted. Again, her words have been echoed by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Charles Schumer, as I noted, Obama (notice you didn’t address that) as well as the late Sarah Brady, Josh Sugarman, the late Pete Shields, and too many others to mention (in other words, there are so many I cannot remember them all). Oh, wait, Ted Kennedy too.

          • Lkfeinb

            I just SAW her speech on utube. I looked it up on Google and she ONLY mentioned assault weapons! Her first sentence stated that.
            Maybe the problem is that you do not look anything up on Google. Thank you for the compliment. I am 76 years old and certainly know how to check the facts. Since you don’t know how, it is useless bringing them up because you will just argue about what you think. I actually try to find the truth.

          • Rob1911a1

            I do try to avoid google, since Zuckerman is such a liberal weenie, I admit. And, to be fair, I do try to present the facts and I do check for them. I notice, for example, that you did not address my facts regarding non-existent ‘assault rifles’.

          • Lkfeinb

            It was obvious what she meant and by avoiding Google you are avoiding the 21st century. Let’s just agree to disagree.

          • Rob1911a1

            Since there ARE NOT any ”semi-automatic” assault weapons, only the most naive of individuals could possibly imagine she was not talking about taking away all guns. After all, if she had set that precedent, then there would be no protections for any guns.

          • Rob1911a1

            Registration would have nothing to do with finding a person who committed a crime with one.

  • Teapartier

    Absolutely illegal. Please challenge this ruling. All people who can read realize the second -amendment says nothing about registering guns and therefore whatever resolution regarding the right to bear arms is rootless and totally illegal. These legislators are like the Cruzbots and have no regard for the US constitution and should be dismissed from their positions until they at least read it.

    • Lkfeinb

      The second amendment also doesn’t say anything against registering guns and it does say “well regulated”. Does that mean anything to you? Have you actually read the 2nd ammendment?. Today gun ownership is NOT well regulated and registration is definitely legal.

      • Rodney Steward

        Like most dumbass Dems. you left out the rest of the regulated part, A well REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!! Deal with it or leave this country if you don’t like our laws and RIGHTS!

        • Lkfeinb

          Your vocabulary defines you.

          • Rodney Steward

            What ever, where I live, U can’y get along, get it on! Regardless of the vocabulary, you get the picture, and that’s all that matters!

          • Lkfeinb

            Did you read the definition of “infringement? It is NOT an absolute.

          • Rodney Steward

            The whole 2nd makes absolute!

          • Rob1911a1

            ?????? Only, again, in the revisionist history of today. I do not know how much more clear “…. shall not be infringed can get”. As Patrick Henry stated: “The great object is that every man be armed”. As for your claim about infringement, that is utter nonsense. Per Merriam-Webster dictionary: Definition of infringement. 1 : the act of infringing : violation. 2 : an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege. Clearly NOT what you claimed.

      • Rob1911a1

        Lkfeinb – I am always at a loss at the total sophistry that liberals use. “Well regulated” referred to the mustering and disposition of the armed citizenry, as our founders clearly stated. Per George Mason “….the militia are comprised of the body of the people, excepting only a few public officials, bearing their own arms”. Fairly clear. Also, in Adam’s notes on the Convention, he writes that more than one wording was proposed, one of which included the words ”..for the common defense”. This wording was specifically eliminated by virtue of the stated intent that this was an individual right. Again, registration, or almost any restriction, is not legal. I know I keep saying it, but the Heller and Chicago decisions made this clear.

    • Lkfeinb

      OK, well there will be new laws and you can choose to ignore them at your peril.

  • Rodney Steward

    They start out by taking baby steps, but sounds Unconstitutional to me! They can basically follow you all over the world with this BS, NOT RIGHT!!

    • Lkfeinb

      There is nothing in the Constitution against regulating the use of fire arms. Bravo to Hawaii for protecting it’s visitors and residents from criminals and terrorists to some degree.

      • Ramon1710 .

        I’ll bet the families of the Orlando victims feel comforted that the killings took place in a designated gun free zone.

        • Lkfeinb

          You are right. The entire United States should be a gun free zone! Since there are no walls around a designated gun free zone it is easy for gun owners to get in. By the way, I am being sarcastic.

        • Lkfeinb

          You are never going to prevent murders by mentally ill people. However, in Britain, a mentally ill person with a knife killed 2 people in a crowded marketplace. Math question: If 2 people can be killed by a knife in 5 minutes how many can be killed with an assault rifle in the same amount of time? England has gun laws.

        • Lkfeinb

          I’ll bet the families of the Orlando victims wish that all assault weapons were banned. What a crazy country we live in to allow those weapons in the possession of anyone except the military.

          • Rodney Steward

            U wouldn’t know an assault if it jumped up your a$$ !!

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      • Rob1911a1

        LKFEINB – What did you just claim?????? History 101 – only FREE individuals have God Given rights; the government has only those powers granted it. All rights rest with the people, and it is the government’s PRIMARY job to PROTECT those rights. Ten were considered so important that they were specified in the First Ten Articles of Amendment. The Second, behind only the First, recognizes our individual right to keep and bear arms, and that it “…shall not be infringed”. What part of all this did you miss in history class? I should note this will do nothing to protect anyone from anything in Hawaii. SCOTUS, even with four incompetents KNOWINGLY voting incorrectly, affirmed our Second Amendment rights. (Indeed, over 30,000 local, state, and Federal laws, rules, and regulations should be removed from the books as a result, and certainly any new legislation should be impossible). Next, even though you don’t care about the law, Federal Law prohibits Federal Gun Registration (the GCA of 1968). So, the FBI would be in violation of the law if they kept this data.

        • Lkfeinb

          I am so sorry to dispute you, but we are a nation of laws and the rights laid out for us by the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. One of those is the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
          The government’s job is to protect those rights given to us by our laws. Sorry, but we are a secular government and God is really a personal matter.

          • Rodney Steward

            As long as we have a fool for a Prez., we can’t trust the Gov., what are U having today, GRAPE!

          • Rob1911a1

            Our Founders stated in multiple instances that this was a Christian nation founded on
            Christian principles. They very specifically stated that the government had to recognize the fact that individuals had God Given rights; our rights were NOT ‘granted’ to us by the Constitution. This is basic history; it does not mean one has to be Christian, since they made a point of including freedom of religion as the First of our rights. It just means that the Founders themselves WERE devout Christians, and, as noted, they stated clearly that that was the template upon which our nation was founded. This ‘secular’ business is a relatively recent revisionist view of history; but if you study the nation’s founding, it should not be hard to find many of the statements about which I am speaking.

          • Rob1911a1

            Also, check the following quote from (liberal) Justice the late Earl Warren: Earl Warren, JD, 14th Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, stated during a speech at the Feb. 1954 International Council for Christian Leadership prayer breakfast, quoted in the Feb. 15, 1954 issue of TIME Magazine:

            “I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Saviour have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses… Whether we look to the first Charter of Virginia… or to the Charter of New England… or to the Charter of Massachusetts Bay… or to the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut… the same objective is present: a Christian land governed by Christian principles…

            I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it: freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under law, and the reservation of powers to the people… I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country.”

            Feb. 1954 – Earl Warren, JD

          • Lkfeinb

            Unfortunately the spirit of the Christian religion didn’t help the genocide of the American Indian. Our country has never come to terms with that.

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – True and tragic, but not pertinent.!

          • Lkfeinb

            Do I really care about what Earl Warren believes? The written Constitution may have been in the spirit of the Judeo Christian mind, but it is expressly meant to be secular. Athiests are citizens!!

          • Rob1911a1

            Of course it is meant to be secular; that does not change the foundation on which it was clearly established. It is not a theocracy, that was not what I was conveying; I am only stating that our Founders looked at it that way, and the quotes of some are in reference to it not being a theocracy.

          • Rodney Steward

            Atheist are the socialist and communist, or queers!

          • Lkfeinb

            Ohhhhh! That doesn’t sound very American or Christian to me! Our country supports the religious and the irreligious. It has nothing to do with political leanings.

          • Lkfeinb

            “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

            —John Adams

            The founders happened to be Christian, but they made it VERY clear.
            We are not a Christian nation, we are a secular nation Unfortunately for that because had we Christian principles the massacre of the Indian Nations never would have occurred.

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – David J. Brewer, JD, late US Supreme Court Justice, in his lecture series published in 1905 under the title The United States, A Christian Nation, stated:

            “I have said enough to show that Christianity came to this country with the first colonists; has been powerfully identified with its rapid development, colonial and national, and today exists as a mighty factor in the life of the republic. This is a Christian nation…

            …[T]he calling of this republic a Christian nation is not a mere pretence but a recognition of an historical, legal and social truth.”

            In addition, you did not bother to quote Ben Franklin, who, despite being one of the only agnostics among our Founders, stated the “The Christian religion is certainly the best one for the foundation of our government”.

          • Rob1911a1

            “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.”

          • Rob1911a1

            “It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.” John Adams

          • Lkfeinb

            Did you read the quote i sent you by John Adams specifically about the Constitution!! It has nothing to do with religious.

          • Lkfeinb

            You don’t get it and you refuse to look it up.

          • Lkfeinb

            This is NOT a Christian nation. It may have been founded on the founders values, which were Christian, but they went overboard to make sure this was a secular country.
            Obviously you did not read the extensive information I sent. John Adams quote. etc. Anyone , after the formation of the Constitution regaling about “our Christian Nation is simply false and pandering to the crowd.

          • Rob1911a1

            Also, most importantly, those rights were not, as you wrote, “…given to us by our laws”. They were recognized as inherent, intrinsic, and like it or not, God Given. I think you are confusing the foundation of our nation with the fact that we are free to worship as we please. (Why do you think the pledge of allegiance has the words “..one Nation, under God….”?

          • Rob1911a1

            Since you are insistent on facts, here are just a few quotes from our founders; no one can deny that many of the founding fathers of the United States of America were men of deep religious convictions based in the Bible and faith in Jesus Christ. Of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, nearly half (24) held seminary or Bible school degrees.

            These Christian quotes of the founding fathers will give you an overview of their strong moral and spiritual convictions which helped form the foundations of our nation and our government.

            16 Founding Fathers’ Quotes

            George Washington

            1st U.S. President

            “While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”

            –The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

            John Adams

            2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

            “Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited!

            Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God … What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.”

            –Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

            “The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

            “Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System.”

            –Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

            “The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever.”

            –Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.

            Thomas Jefferson

            3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

            “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.”

            –Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

            “I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”

            –The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

            John Hancock

            1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

            “Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. … Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”

            –History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

            Benjamin Franklin

            Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

            “Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

            “That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

            “As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;

            “But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure.”

            –Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.

            Samuel Adams

            Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Father of the American Revolution

            “And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace.”

            –As Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.

            James Madison

            4th U.S. President

            “A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest while we are building ideal monuments of Renown and Bliss here we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven.”

            –Written to William Bradford on November 9, 1772, Faith of Our Founding Fathers by Tim LaHaye, pp. 130-131; Christianity and the Constitution — The Faith of Our Founding Fathers by John Eidsmoe, p. 98.

            James Monroe

            5th U.S. President

            “When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good.”

            –Monroe made this statement in his 2nd Annual Message to Congress, November 16, 1818.

            John Quincy Adams

            6th U.S. President

            “The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made ‘bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God’ (Isaiah 52:10).”

            –Life of John Quincy Adams, p. 248.

            William Penn

            Founder of Pennsylvania

            “I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written; being given forth by the Holy Ghost moving in the hearts of holy men of God; that they ought also to be read, believed, and fulfilled in our day; being used for reproof and instruction, that the man of God may be perfect. They are a declaration and testimony of heavenly things themselves, and, as such, we carry a high respect for them. We accept them as the words of God Himself.”

            –Treatise of the Religion of the Quakers, p. 355.

            Roger Sherman

            Signer of the Declaration of Independence and United States Constitution

            “I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance equal in power and glory. That the scriptures of the old and new testaments are a revelation from God, and a complete rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him. That God has foreordained whatsoever comes to pass, so as thereby he is not the author or approver of sin. That he creates all things, and preserves and governs all creatures and all their actions, in a manner perfectly consistent with the freedom of will in moral agents, and the usefulness of means. That he made man at first perfectly holy, that the first man sinned, and as he was the public head of his posterity, they all became sinners in consequence of his first transgression, are wholly indisposed to that which is good and inclined to evil, and on account of sin are liable to all the miseries of this life, to death, and to the pains of hell forever.

            “I believe that God having elected some of mankind to eternal life, did send his own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind, so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the gospel offer: also by his special grace and spirit, to regenerate, sanctify and enable to persevere in holiness, all who shall be saved; and to procure in consequence of their repentance and faith in himself their justification by virtue of his atonement as the only meritorious cause.

            “I believe a visible church to be a congregation of those who make a credible profession of their faith in Christ, and obedience to him, joined by the bond of the covenant.

            “I believe that the souls of believers are at their death made perfectly holy, and immediately taken to glory: that at the end of this world there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a final judgement of all mankind, when the righteous shall be publicly acquitted by Christ the Judge and admitted to everlasting life and glory, and the wicked be sentenced to everlasting punishment.”

            –The Life of Roger Sherman, pp. 272-273.

            Benjamin Rush

            Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

            “The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!”

            –The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, pp. 165-166.

            “Christianity is the only true and perfect religion, and that in proportion as mankind adopts its principles and obeys its precepts, they will be wise and happy.”

            –Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.

            “I know there is an objection among many people to teaching children doctrines of any kind, because they are liable to be controverted. But let us not be wiser than our Maker.

            “If moral precepts alone could have reformed mankind, the mission of the Son of God into all the world would have been unnecessary.

            The perfect morality of the gospel rests upon the doctrine which, though often controverted has never been refuted: I mean the vicarious life and death of the Son of God.”

            –Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.

            John Witherspoon

            Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Clergyman and President of Princeton University

            “While we give praise to God, the Supreme Disposer of all events, for His interposition on our behalf, let us guard against the dangerous error of trusting in, or boasting of, an arm of flesh … If your cause is just, if your principles are pure, and if your conduct is prudent, you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts.

            “What follows from this? That he is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind.

            “Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy of his country.”

            –Sermon at Princeton University, “The Dominion of Providence over the Passions of Men,” May 17, 1776.

            Alexander Hamilton

            Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

            “I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor.

            I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man.”

            –Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.

            Patrick Henry

            Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

            “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

            –The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.

            “The Bible … is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed.”

            –Sketches of the Life and Character of Patrick Henry, p. 402.

            John Jay

            1st Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and President of the American Bible Society

            “By conveying the Bible to people thus circumstanced, we certainly do them a most interesting kindness. We thereby enable them to learn that man was originally created and placed in a state of happiness, but, becoming disobedient, was subjected to the degradation and evils which he and his posterity have since experienced.

            “The Bible will also inform them that our gracious Creator has provided for us a Redeemer, in whom all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; that this Redeemer has made atonement “for the sins of the whole world,” and thereby reconciling the Divine justice with the Divine mercy has opened a way for our redemption and salvation; and that these inestimable benefits are of the free gift and grace of God, not of our deserving, nor in our power to deserve.”

            –In God We Trust—The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers, p. 379.

            “In forming and settling my belief relative to the doctrines of Christianity, I adopted no articles from creeds but such only as, on careful examination, I found to be confirmed by the Bible.”

            –American Statesman Series, p. 360.

          • Lkfeinb

            No one is saying that these were not men of God and Christians, but this country has separation of church and state. We are secular!

          • Lkfeinb

            DEFINITION OF A SECULAR COUNTRY
            A secular country is or purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion.[1] A secular state also claims to treat all its citizens equally regardless of religion, and claims to avoid preferential treatment for a citizen from a particular religion/nonreligion over other religions/nonreligion. Secular states do not have a state religion (established religion) or equivalent, although the absence of a state religion does not necessarily mean that a state is fully secular; however, a true secular state should steadfastly maintain national governance without influence from religious factions; i.e. Separation of church and state.[2]

      • Rob1911a1

        LKFEINB – However, there IS Federal Law (GCA 1968) FORBIDDING government registration of guns. FBI regulations specifically regulated the NICS system to only keeping felons/mental cases permanently. The material that the morons in Hawaii sent CANNOT be put into the NICS system, partly because it’s classified and cannot be connected to the ‘rap back’ system.

        • Lkfeinb

          Well then, if these so called “morons” are proposing something against Federal Law it won’t happen, right? Perhaps it isn’t going into the NICS system and there is a work around. Time will tell.

    • Lkfeinb

      They cannot “basically follow you all over the world with this” All over the US-ok! If you don’t want to be followed , don’t own a gun.

      • Rodney Steward

        This is Unconstitutional, and BY God no one is messing with my 2nd amendment right! This is socialism or communism that’s taken over in CAL., and has now taken over the homeless island that’s turned into a cesspool! But they have to clean out all the guns for Obama’s safety because he plans to make this his home instead of Kenya! But this island will take care of itself when it blows all to he$$! I took an oath to protect this country from fools like the wussy’s that don’t believe in guns!

        • Lkfeinb

          You must take great pride in being redneck of the year.

          • Luke

            And you must take great pride in being just a stupid liberal..

          • Lkfeinb

            You are on the perfect site to have all your prejudices confirmed. Be careful. Don’t let the facts interfere.

          • Rodney Steward

            Nothing worse than an educated idiot!

          • Lkfeinb

            Yes there is–an uneducated idiot!

          • Rodney Steward

            Proof that 2 idiots can communicate!

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – You are the individual who is not letting the facts interfere. As I posted above, our Founders stated and wrote clearly that this was a Christian Nation founded on Christian principles. That is a fact, one that you can verify just by actually studying the writings and statements of our founders; that would take a trip to the library and lot’s of study, but since you are making an unfounded assertion, it is your responsibility to learn the facts. It’s as I noted; this ‘secular’ notion is a relatively recent thing, with articles appearing in the Huffington Post and other liberal publications that ignore the facts.

          • Lkfeinb

            The founders of our country made it very clear that this was NOT a Christian nation. The Constitution makes NO reference to God at all

            If, by the question, one is asking whether the Founding Fathers relied on Protestant Christian principles in drafting the essential documents and in organizing the new governments, then the answer is a resounding “no.”

            The writings of the period (1765-1790), including speeches, debates, letters, pamphlets, and even sermons, reflect the overwhelming influence of Enlightenment, Whig, and classical republican theories.

            The political events of the period also support the conclusion that the founders intended to institute a secular-based form of governance.

            In a short span of 16 years (1775-1791), the nation was transformed from maintaining religious establishments in nine of 13 colonies to achieving disestablishment at the national level and in 10 new states (or 11, depending on how one views Vermont).

            At the same time, the United States became the first nation in history to abolish religious disqualifications from officeholding and civic engagement. The founders purposely created a nation that based its legitimacy on popular will, not on some higher power.

            If one refines the question to ask whether the Founding Fathers were motivated to act as they did based on their Christian faith, the answer becomes a little murkier, but the response is still “no.”

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – John Quincy Adams said, “The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” Also, the signers of the 1783 Treaty of Paris, which ended the Revolutionary War, insisted the treaty begin with the phrase, “In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.”

          • Rob1911a1

            As a Vermont native, it’s clear from your inclusion of it here that you are in error regarding your ‘facts’. Vermont was in fact the 14th State, the first one asked to join the original 13 (and they accepted with the stipulation that there would be no slavery in VT; Maine, the 15th State, did the same).

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – You wanted facts, here’s a few.

            “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people He has chosen as His own inheritance.” Psalm 33:12

            The USA is a covenant Christian nation. We are one nation under God. The Christian majority is the largest group in America (~75%, 2012 polling). Christians uniting in Christ is our nation’s source of unity. Below are some of the thousands of quotes endorsing God in government by our Founding Fathers and others in American history. American children have prayed and read the Holy Bible in schools for 355 years (1607 – 1962), Congress recommended Bibles for America and funded Christian missionaries, the third verse of our national anthem says, “And this be our motto, ‘In God is our trust”.

            Join Christians across the USA and declare: The Lord is the God of the USA and we are His people.

            George Washington – First President of the United States of America

            “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

            – George Washington

            “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”

            – George Washington

            We beseech [God] to pardon our national and other transgressions…

            – George Washington, Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789

            Oh, eternal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the immaculate blood of the Lamb and purge my heart by Thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of Thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in Thy fear, and dying in Thy favor, I may in thy appointed time obtain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy son, Jesus Christ.

            – George Washington, Prayer

            True religion affords to government its surest support.

            – George Washington

            It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.

            – George Washington (this quote is unconfirmed)

            Samuel Adams – Signer of the Declaration of Independence

            I … [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.

            – Samuel Adams

            We have this day [Fourth of July] restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come.

            – Samuel Adams

            The name of the Lord (says the Scripture) is a strong tower; thither the righteous flee and are safe (Proverbs 18:10). Let us secure His favor and He will lead us through the journey of this life and at length receive us to a better.

            – Samuel Adams

            The rights of the colonists as Christians…may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.

            – Samuel Adams

            United States Congressional Endorsement of the Bible and God

            Congress printed a Bible for America and said:

            “The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States … a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”

            – United States Congress 1782

            Congress passed this resolution:

            “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”

            – United States Congress 1782

            By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:

            “In God We Trust”

            – United States Congress 1864

            John Adams –President of the United States of America, First Vice President, Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Bill of Rights, and Signer of First Amendment

            The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.

            – John Adams

            The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.

            – John Adams

            The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.

            – John Adams

            Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

            – John Adams

            I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.

            – John Adams

            The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.

            – John Adams

            [The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.

            – John Adams

            As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only

            an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.

            – John Adams

            We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.

            – John Adams and John Hancock

            Abigail Adams – Wife of John Adams

            “The Scriptures tell us righteousness exalteth a Nation.”

            – Abigail Adams

            Patrick Henry – Early America Leader

            There is a book [the Bible] worth all the other books ever printed.

            – Patrick Henry

            It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

            – Patrick Henry

            John Jay – First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court

            Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty – as well as privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.

            – John Jay

            The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts.

            – John Jay

            John Hancock – Signer of the Declaration of Independence

            …that all may bow to the scepter of our Lord Jesus Christ and that the whole Earth may be filled with his glory.

            – John Hancock, as Governor of Massachusetts 1791

            We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.

            – John Adams and John Hancock Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

            “The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”

            – Benjamin Rush

            Let the children…be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education.

            – Benjamin Rush

            Christianity is the only true and perfect religion…

            – Benjamin Rush

            John Witherspoon – Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress

            “He is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down on profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.”

            – John Witherspoon

            John Dickinson – Signer Constitution of the USA, Continental Congress

            “The rights essential to happiness. . . . We claim them from a higher source — from the King of kings and Lord of all the earth.”

            – John Dickinson

            Benjamin Franklin

            “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”

            – Benjamin Franklin

            Thomas Jeferson – President

            God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.

            – Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

            The Christian religion is the best religion that has ever been given to man

            – Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

            Daniel Webster – Early American Politician

            Education is useless without the Bible.

            – Daniel Webster

            Noah Webster – “Schoolmaster of the Republic”

            Education is useless without the Bible. The Bible was America’s basic text book in all fields. God’s Word, contained in the Bible, has furnished all necessary rules to direct our conduct.

            – Noah Webster

            In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed … No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.

            – Noah Webster, Preface Noah Webster Dictionary, 1828

            Joseph Story – Supreme Court Justice

            “I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law … There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.”

            – Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Harvard Speech, 1829

            United States of America National Anthem – Francis Scott Key

            “And this be our motto, ‘In God is our trust’”

            – USA National Anthem, Third Verse

            USA Constitution – First Ammendment

            “Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth…”

            – US Constitution, Before signature text declaring our Christian Nation

            Note: “Year of our Lord” means Jesus Christ is Lord of the USA. (Founding fathers didn’t use year of the Lord)

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [Christian denomination], or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

            – US Constitution, First Amendment (Christian religious freedom brackets added)

            Andrew Jackson – President of the United States of America

            “[The Bible] is the rock on which our Republic rests.”

            – Andrew Jackson

            Abraham Lincoln – President of the United States of America

            In regards to this great Book [the Bible], I have but to say it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this Book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man’s welfare, here and hereafter, are found portrayed in it.

            – Abraham Lincoln

            I am busily engaged in study of the Bible.

            – Abraham Lincoln

            This nation under God

            – Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address and inscribed on Lincoln Memorial

            And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God … and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

            – Abraham Lincoln

            Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh. (Matthew 18:7)

            – Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Memorial

            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.

            – Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Memorial

            Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation…

            – Abraham Lincoln

            “Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust in the best way all our present difficulties.”

            – Abraham Lincoln, President, March 4, 1861 inaugural address

            United States Supreme Court

            “This is a Christian nation”

            – United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

            “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation”

            – United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

            Washington Monument

            Holiness to the Lord (Exodus 28:26, 30:30, Isaiah 23:18, Zechariah 14:20)

            – Washington Monument

            Search the Scriptures (John 5:39)

            – Washington Monument

            The memory of the just is blessed (Proverbs 10:7)

            – Washington Monument

            May Heaven to this Union continue its beneficence

            – Washington Monument

            In God We Trust

            – Washington Monument

            “Praise be to God” (engraved on the monument’s capstone in Latin as “Laus Deo”)

            – Washington Monument

            James Madison – A Primary Author of the Constitution of the United States of America

            “We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.”

            – James Madison

            “Religion [is] the basis and foundation of Government”

            – James Madison

            “Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”

            – James Madison

            Northwest Ordinance – July 13, 1787

            Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

            – Northwest Ordinance, Article 3

            Original Harvard University Student Handbook 1636

            Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well: the main end of his life and studies is “to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life” (John 17.3), and therefore to lay Christ in the bottom, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisdom, let everyone seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seek it of Him (Prov. 2.3).

            – Original Harvard University Student Handbook

            William McGuffy – author of McGuffy Reader, which was used for over 100 years in American schools as the primary textbook

            The Christian religion is the religion of our country. From it are derived our nation, on the character of God, on the great moral Governor of the universe. On its doctrines are founded the peculiarities of our free Institutions. From no source has this author drawn more conspicuously than from the sacred Scriptures. From all these extracts from the Bible, I make no apology.

            – William McGuffy, author of McGuffy Reader

            Congress – First Prayer in Congress

            O LORD, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, high and mighty King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, who dost from Thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth, and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the kingdoms, empires and governments; look down in mercy we beseech Thee, on these American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor, and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring henceforth to be dependent only on Thee; to Thee they have appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious design of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their cause; and if they persist in their sanguinary purpose, O let the voice of Thy own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle! Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the counsels of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation, that the scene of blood may be speedily closed, that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety prevail and flourish among Thy people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them, and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world, and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son, Our Savior. Amen.

            – First Prayer in Congress September 7, 1774, Jacob Duche, Carpenters Hall, Philadelphia

            Calvin Coolidge– President of the United States of America

            “The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country.”

            – Calvin Coolidge

            Harry S. Truman – President of the United States of America

            “The fundamental basis of this Nation’s law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings which we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul.”

            – Harry S. Truman

            “This Nation was established by men who believed in God. … You will see the evidence of this deep religious faith on every hand.’

            – Harry S. Truman

            Dwight D. Eisenhower – President of the United States of America

            “Without God there could be no American form of government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first, the most basic, expression of Americanism. Thus, the founding fathers of America saw it, and thus with God’s help, it will continue to be.”

            – Dwight D. Eisenhower

            “I believe that the next half century will determine if we will advance the cause of Christian civilization or revert to the horrors of brutal paganism.”

            – Theodore Roosevelt, President

            “This is a Christian nation.”

            – Harry Truman, President

            “[The United States is] founded on the principles of Christianity”

            – Franklin D. Roosevelt, President

          • Luke

            As most know, 99% of liberals rarely know the facts or the truth, they just spew, sputter and re-peat the idiotic liberal lies..

          • Rodney Steward

            Yep, the kind that can break U in half and love it, ROLL TIDE, BOY!!

          • Rob1911a1

            You replied to me in a reasonable fashion, and I replied with a reasonable and correct response. It does no good to call someone a redneck just because they have a different view from yours. I am a country boy, but I was fortunate enough to acquire in the 50s and 60s what was once known as a Classical Education. At that time, there was no doubt about our founding, and both high school and college courses taught us, using our Founder’s words, that, as already noted, we are a Christian nation, and our rights are NOT subject to government interference. Rodney may not have worded things quite the way I do, but he is nevertheless correct. The government has NO rights; it has a limited set of powers GRANTED to it by the States. Its primary JOB is to PROTECT our rights, not to interfere with them. Indeed, the 10th Article of Amendment clearly states that all powers not granted to the Federal Government belong to the States; the 9th Article of Amendment clearly states that all rights belong to the people, and, although I hate to repeat myself, those rights were God Given.

          • Lkfeinb

            Being a country boy does not make one a Redneck.

        • Lkfeinb

          I didn’t realize that belief in guns was a new religion, but I guess it is to you.

          • Rodney Steward

            In the South we’re raised with guns, and we start at a very young age including the women! And we kill most of our meat! I got news for U, this religion runs in about 3.5 million people in this country, and are not going to be left in a mess like Europe, flooded with well armed muslims, but this is thanks to the EU that will soon break up completely wait and see! Whether U believe it or not my friend, we are living in the end times, and if Hellary goes in to the house, this country will explode, she’ll be Obama on steroids!

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfneinb – That’s great news, then. If we establish the Church of the Gun, we shall also be protected by the First Article of Amendment – great idea!

      • Rob1911a1

        Uh, you have that backwards; those of us who own guns are not obliged to obey illegal laws. You do remember the Heller and Chicago Decisions, where SCOTUS TWICE reaffirmed our Second Amendment rights; even more importantly, in the Chicago Decision, they went one step further, and ‘incorporated’ our Second Amendment rights in the 14th Amendment. Any violation of our firearms rights is now a violation of our civil rights! You can check.this, as always, I try to present factual information. For example, some of the Amendments:
        Amendment 4 – The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
        Article 5 (in part) – “…nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…..”. (Simple passage of unconstitutional gun control laws does not constitute ‘due process’; quite the opposite).
        Article 9 – The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
        Article 10 – The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
        Article 14 (in part) – No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; not deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law.
        I am assuming that you of course have a copy of the Constitution in your home; I have several sprinkled around the house. You can easily check the previous facts in that case.

        • Lkfeinb

          You are obliged to follow all laws unless you challenge their illegality in court. So you have to be pretty wealthy to do that. Imagine if everyone decided that a specific law was illegal and did not adhere to it. There would be anarchy because everyone thinks differently.
          I do hope you read the piece about our secular nations. It was set up that way and just because a Supreme Court judge speaks before a Christian organization about us being a Christian nation, it doesn’t make it so.

          • Rob1911a1

            So, if they ban abortion, that would be alright? I mean, unless you want to challenge it in court? Oh, wait, that’s already happened; and, just like in the Heller and Chicago Decisions, abortion, like the 2d Amendment, is a right. Your own argument!

          • Rob1911a1

            Lkfeinb – Actually, no, you are not. Legislation is not de facto legal, and you are confusing legislation with law. For example, around 2000, here in VA, in the southwest most border near TN and KY, a little Bible Belt town banned dancing! Of course no one had to obey that, as the Commonwealth quickly informed the town. I think you are confusing Christian foundation with a theocracy (the way almost all Muslim countries are); that is NOT what our Founders’ said or meant. You picked a quote from John Adams that you thought reflected your notions. Here is one (of many from another Founder:
            It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

            – Patrick Henry
            And since you like John Adams so much:
            The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.
            – John Adams

        • Rodney Steward

          Love it when people know what they’re talking about, this lkf’n what ever is a pulled out of the a$$ of Opey and was breast fed by Hellary’s Kool-Aid!

  • Luke

    liberals are liars & criminals who only win by lying, cheating and stealing..

    • Lkfeinb

      Right on, Trumpy!

      • Luke

        You’re a fruitcake, go lick hillerys butt..

  • Ramon1710 .

    “The database – called “Rap Back” – is run by the FBI and will alert Hawaiian law enforcement if a Hawaiian gun owner is arrested for a crime anywhere in the United States.”
    Because so many gun crimes are committed by law abiding citizens with guns legally owned!

    Step 1 – Identifying gun owners
    Step 2 – Confiscating all guns from owners previously identified

    It worked for Nazi Germany and Australia. Sell it as public safety, and reap a public at the mercy of an ever increasing despotic government. Can’t have an armed citizenry standing in the way of UN plans.

    • Lkfeinb

      You are equating Nazi Germany with Australia?

      • Rob1911a1

        No, with America. It should be noted that Australia did in fact confiscate several hundred thousand common hunting rifles, shotguns, and handguns, and then destroy them. Australians have no Fourth Amendment either.

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