Jim Webb Pushes Back on Behalf of Confederate Flag Supporters

by Arit John | Bloomberg.com  |  published on June 25, 2015

RTR26SY6-e1416590039658Former Virginia Senator and Vietnam war veteran Jim Webb has finally weighed in on the national debate over the Confederate flag—kind of.

Days after every major official and declared presidential candidate announced their stance on the flag, Webb released a statement on Facebook stating that while the flag has been used for “racist and other purposes” that not all Confederates were bad, and not all members of the Union were good.

“The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades. It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us,” Webb wrote. “But we should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War, including slave holders in the Union Army from states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware, and that many non-slave holders fought for the South.”

  • Rick Stanley

    Few stand by any long standing convictions with a historic moral view anymore. Our country is falling apart at the seams, each and every day.

  • gene1357

    I had been hoping Captain Webb would re-emerge. Our nation could use a man of his caliber, his convictions, his skills, talents, accomplishments and convictions, just now.

  • teaman

    How about some black history truth for a change;

    RACE BAITERS: Don’t Want You To Know This About Black History

    heads fill our TV screens as they continue to enumerate the offenses
    white Americans have committed from slavery to Jim Crow.

    a false narrative has been embedded in the minds of Americans. The
    nation is suffering from false memory syndrome. Our ancestors, we
    believe, raided peaceful African villages, bopped innocent Africans
    on the head, then led them in chains to slave ships. Once in America
    we imagine wealthy white plantation owners forcing hordes of black
    slaves to pick cotton in the hot summer sun twelve months out of the

    The narrative is so well
    ingrained in our thinking that its seem almost sacrilegious to
    question it.

    Nonetheless, facts are
    stubborn and data takes precedence over anecdotes.

    Here are thirteen things
    most Americans don’t know about black history.

    1. America’s
    first black military officers served the Confederacy.

    In 1861 about 1,500 free blacks in New Orleans answered Gov. Thomas
    Overton Moore’s call to serve the Confederate army. The new
    enlistees were garnered at a meeting called by ten prominent black
    residents. About 2,000 blacks attended the meeting on April 22,
    located at the Catholic Institute. The new regiment was formed May 2.

    Considering there were
    about 10,000 free blacks of both genders and all ages living in the
    Louisiana in 1861, the large number of black enlistees speaks to
    the loyalty of blacks to the Confederacy. It can be estimated that
    as many as half of all free black males between the ages of 15 and
    50 enlisted.

    The governor appointed
    three white officers to oversee the regiment. They were accompanied
    by three black officers appointed from the regiment. These became
    the first black military officers in American history.

    2. The first
    legally recognized slave owner in American history was black.

    Anthony Johnson came to
    the American colonies in August, 1619 as an indentured servant. In
    1623 Johnson had completed his indenture and was recognized as a
    free negro. In 1651 he acquired 250 acres of land in Virginia,
    later adding another 250 acres; a sizable holding at the time.

    John Casor, a black
    indentured servant employed by Johnson, became what historians have
    long considered to be America’s first slave. His enslavement
    resulted from a legal dispute between Johnson and Robert Parker.
    Parker was a white colonist who employed Casor while Casor was
    still indentured to Johnson. Johnson sued Parker in Northampton
    Court in 1654. The court upheld Johnson’s right to hold Casor as
    a slave on March 8, 1655. The court found:

    The court
    seriously consideringe and maturely weighing the premisses, doe
    fynde that the saide Mr. Robert Parker most unjustly keepeth the
    said Negro from Anthony Johnson his master … It is therefore the
    Judgement of the Court and ordered That the said John Casor Negro
    forthwith returne unto the service of the said master Anthony
    Johnson, And that Mr. Robert Parker make payment of all charges in
    the suit.

    Five years later, in 1670,
    the colonial assembly passed legislation permitting blacks and
    Indians the right to own slaves of their own race, but prohibiting
    them from owning White slaves.

    (In July, 2012, supporters
    of Barack Obama considered it politically advantageous to advance
    the notion that John Punch was the first slave of African descent
    in the American colonies. Obama is suspected of being a descendant
    of Punch through Obama’s maternal lineage.)

    3. Free blacks
    commonly owned black slaves in the antebellum South.

    Henry Louis Gates of the
    White House “Beer Summit” fame said, “This is the dirtiest
    secret in African American history. A surprisingly high percentage
    of free Negros in the South owned slaves themselves.” [Source]

    There were thousands of
    black slave owners in the South.

    In 1830 there
    were 3,775 such slaveholders in the South who owned 12,740 black
    slaves, with 80% of them located in Louisiana, South Carolina,
    Virginia, and Maryland. There were economic differences between
    free blacks of the Upper South and Deep South, with the latter
    fewer in number, but wealthier and typically of mixed race. Half of
    the black slaveholders lived in cities rather than the countryside,
    with most in New Orleans and Charleston.

    To write extensively about
    blacks who owned slaves in the antebellum South would require a
    library of full volumes. Black
    slave owners: free Black slave masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860
    by Larry Koger is one such volume.

    Koger tells of Richard
    Holloway, Sr., a black carpenter who purchased his African cousins
    as slave labor. Cato was the name of one of his slaves. Cato
    remained in Holloway’s possession throughout the 1830s and ’40s,
    according to Koger, until he was sold to his son, Richard Holloway,
    Jr., in 1845. Cato died in 1851 and the younger Holloway replaced
    him with the purchase of a 16 -year-old black male.

    Koger says there were ten
    black slave owners in Charleston City, SC in 1830.

    4. In 1860 the
    largest slave owner in South Carolina was William Ellison, a black
    plantation owner.

    Ellison was one of many
    free blacks who, themselves, owned black slave labor.

    In 1830 there were about
    319,599 free blacks living in the United States. That same year
    there were 12,740 slaves owned by blacks

    Black Property Owners
    in the South, 1790-1915,
    by Loren Schweninger is another excellent source for accurate
    history detailing the life in the antebellum South.

    5. Without black
    African slave owners there would have been no slavery in America.

    Henry Louis Gates enraged
    his base in 2010 by strongly opposing reparations to blacks.
    According to Gates the slave trade was almost wholly the result of
    black slave owners selling their human wares to Europeans.

    He wrote:

    While we are all
    familiar with the role played by the United States and the European
    colonial powers like Britain, France, Holland, Portugal and Spain,
    there is very little discussion of the role Africans themselves
    played. And that role, it turns out, was a considerable one,
    especially for the slave-trading kingdoms of western and central
    Africa. These included the Akan of the kingdom of Asante in what is
    now Ghana, the Fon of Dahomey (now Benin), the Mbundu of Ndongo in
    modern Angola and the Kongo of today’s Congo, among several

    The historians
    John Thornton and Linda Heywood of Boston University estimate that
    90 percent of those shipped to the New World were enslaved by Africans
    and then sold to European traders. The sad truth is that without
    complex business partnerships between African elites and European
    traders and commercial agents, the slave trade to the New World
    would have been impossible, at least on the scale it
    occurred.[Emphasis added]

    The notion of White
    European raiding parties descending on unsuspecting African
    villages is a gross distortion of reality. Not only does the
    historical record argue against White raiding parties, but such
    parties would have been costly and inefficient compared to
    purchasing Africans already held in slavery. White slave traders
    would not endure the risk related to such incursions. Furthermore,
    Africans already held as slaves would be less willing to resist,
    particularly among those whose African owners were brutal and
    abusive enemies.

    Gates noted on another
    occasion that the importance of David Livingstone’s disappearance
    into black Africa was significant because White people never
    ventured beyond the coasts. The prospect of disease and other
    unanticipated dangers compelled them not to embark on slave-hunting

    According to the report of
    Joseph Cinque’s testimony in court, New York Journal of Commerce
    (10th January, 1840), the leader of the famed Amistad slave ship
    rebellion was originally taken captive by Africans, not Europeans.

    It is widely rumored that
    Cinque, himself, became a slave trader after his return to Africa.

    6. Blacks,
    including slaves, were allowed to own property in the antebellum

    The ‘rent-a-slave’
    concept may grate against our contemporary moral sensitivities, but
    owners of black slaves often found it economically reasonable to
    earn extra income by renting idle slaves. We also may find it
    surreal to learn that slaves often rented themselves. This allowed
    them to live autonomous lives to varying degrees, depending on the
    rental agreement arranged with their owners.

    Mary Ann Wyatt is a
    quintessential example of a self-rented slave. She was a Virginian
    slave who rented herself (and her five children) for $45 per year
    for ten years. During this time Wyatt established an oyster retail
    business. Each week she would travel sixteen miles to the
    Rappahannock River and buy two baskets of oysters which she sold on
    the town square to local residents in King and Queen County. Wyatt
    earned enough profit to purchase properties including a rental

    Southern states enacted
    laws to regulate the activities of self-rented or otherwise
    autonomous slaves. This was due to concern that autonomous slaves
    would outbid freemen, including whites, for freelance work, such as
    construction. There was also concern that autonomous slaves would
    resell untraceable stolen property. This prompted free Southerners
    to press for limitations on what autonomous slaves were allowed to
    sell. Many whites favored the concept of autonomous slaves,
    believing it encouraged personal responsibility among blacks.

    Kenn Daily is the
    publisher of DailyKenn.com. Now 62 years old, Kenn formed his
    conservative views at the age of 14 and was an early member of
    Young Americans for Freedom. He is a vociferous anti-racist but
    sets himself apart from most conservatives by refusing to be
    bullied into silence regarding racial issue. Violent black crime is
    a signature issue of his website.

    • Dennis Wenthold

      Interesting read on history but blacks in Africa attacked their black enemies, captured them and sold them to white Europeans, mainly from Spain, England and Holland.

  • bobnstuff

    Over time the meaning of things change and we look at them differently. The flag in question never was the official flag of the Confederacy and has spent most of it’s history as a flag of division and hate. The media has used it to represent the southerns as dim witted or disrespectful. The term “Good old
    Boys” comes to mind. Is this the image the south wants to give to the world? Our country has one flag that is for all the nation. Isn’t it time for the south to stop fighting the civil war and rejoin the union.

    • Luke

      Soon they will want to ban the American flag..then what?
      The battle flag doesn’t represent hate of any kind, that’s in the minds of the illiterate, uninformed and just down right hate filled liberals, minorities and the skank liberal media..

      • bobnstuff

        What planet do you live on? The media has been using it as short hand for the segregated south for years. Every hate group uses it as their banner. It’s the standard symbol for red necks. It’s not called the rebel flag for nothing. Just so you know it’s not being outlawed . It’s being taken down as a government symbol. Government is no longer displaying it except for in museums.

        • Luke

          Thank God I live on earth because you’re full of it.
          It never was a gov’t symbol, it’s a battle flag and your hate is evident here without a flag..
          Those who want the flag removed are the hate groups in America today..

          • bobnstuff

            Google Racist symbols and click on images and see what you get. If you can’t see what the rest of the
            world see that’s your problem I hate no one but I do feel sorry for people that live in the past. I love history but who my great great grand father was doesn’t rule my life. It seems to me you are the one doing the hating here. I have nothing against the south. My wife’s family is from North Carolina and I have a daughter and three grand children live there. My son in law is a direct decedent of Jefferson Davis. I just think that it’s time for people to move on.

          • Luke

            You’re right, it’s time for people to move on and stop hating those who remember the past and what it meant and those that died fighting for what they believe in because it wasn’t about blacks or slavery.
            If we don’t remember the past we’re doomed to repeat it..
            And I know this is all about racism against the white people and their heritage.

          • bobnstuff

            There is a big difference between remembering the past and living in it. I can tell you all about what my for fathers did and who they were. I find it fun to see how my family was involved in the growth of our nation but I’m not my ancestor, I live in the 21th century and have my own beliefs. It’s a sad thing when the last great thing you have to hold on to is 150 years in the past.

          • Luke

            You assume a lot.
            .I have my own beliefs which are like many others here in the South.
            Everyone born here is involved in the growth of this nation other than those trying to destroy what we stand for and represent by trying to remove what we as Southerners hold dear, so why don’t you people who do not like what we do mind your own business? But that’s asking too much I bet of those who have nothing to do but complain about what we like..

          • bobnstuff

            When what you hold dear hurt other people it’s time to speak put about it. You can have your sweet tea
            and your NASCAR, I will even let you have your sub standard education system and unchristian treatment of the poor and sick. It’s when you export your hate symbols that I will speak out. There are a lot of good caring people in the south but the bigots and racists give them a bad name. Oh and what you flag stands for is the fact that you don’t want to be part of our nation, that you are in rebellion against the nation that supports you

          • Luke

            What a crock, nothing I hold dear hurts people but instead what you want hurts people by erasing their beliefs.
            Those who hate what we hold dear are in fact the hateful racist and bigots in America

          • bobnstuff

            So the flag of oppression of the black race doesn’t hurt anyone? Reminding a people that they were once
            propriety hurts no one. No matter what you believe there are a lot of people that see your flag as a sign of racism.

          • Luke

            If they see the flag as a sign of racism then that’s their problem not mine but it does show their hate for those like me. They are the racist in this country and probably hate the American flag as well while embracing the rainbow flag of the homo trash..
            Slaves were brought to America under the US flag, not the Battle flag..
            God bless Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, may their souls rest in peace..
            BTW, it’s not a flag of oppression, that’s a liberal lie and I’m sick of liberal bullshit, hate and lies.

          • bobnstuff

            Boy you are a bigot aren’t you. You don’t care if you hurt others and wish the US wasn’t your country. You know nothing about the flags history and and I fear you know little of the true history of the Civil War.

            “As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity,
            and barbarism. Another merit in the new flag is, that it bears no resemblance to the now infamous
            banner of the Yankee vandals.”

            —William T. Thompson (May 4, 1863), Daily
            Morning News

            “As a people we are fighting maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.”

            —William T. Thompson (April 23, 1863), Daily
            Morning News

            That’s what the creator of your flag said about it, Sure sounds racist to me.

          • Luke

            This is my country you loon and the history of it is what I’m trying to preserve but hateful people who do hate our country say what you do and find ridiculous reasons to try to remove that history..

          • bobnstuff

            The flag is a thing, history is not. It is an intangible, and live in the hearts and minds of those that keep
            it alive. You symbol is not history and it’s meaning has changed many time over the years. It does not honor the dead. It has become something you put on the front of your pickup truck so people will think you are a red neck even though you don’t even know what it
            means to be a true one. It’s become a short hand for country hicks and good old boys as well as a symbol of hate. This is what it means today. The history that you are so proud of has nothing to do with the flag. It was the brave men who fought and died that count. Honor them not a worthless piece of cloth.

          • Dennis Wenthold

            Slaves were brought to American under the British, Spanish, and Dutch flags.

          • Luke

            Here we fly the American flag, there destination, and where they were bought.

          • homegirl

            Racist Meaning Of the Confederate Flag, In the Words of the Man Who Designed It

            (perhaps this is something that can be shown to those who
            inexplicably choose to defend the indefensible by defending this
            goddamned flag – though as the article says, they surely know what
            they’re defending)

            When Dylann Storm Roof attacked Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, on Wednesday, he killed nine African-Americans and left behind a manifesto decrying the low IQ of “negroes,” the fact that America has “no real KKK” and that claimed segregation existed to protect whites “from being brought down to level.”

            He would have had much in common ideologically with William
            Thompson, the Savannah, Georgia Daily Morning News editor who designed the Confederate flag that Roof took many photos with in his manifesto. Roof posed with photos of this Confederate battle flag, one of the central motifs of the second flag of the Confederate States of America. (In others, he could be seen burning the current American one.). . .

            The following is Thompson quoted in an excerpt from the book Our Flag by George Preble:

            If that isn’t clear enough for you, Thompson then wrote that this
            new flag would “be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG” (sic):

            “THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG,” notably, was supposed to be “chaste.” The Civil War-era South (and other racists that followed them) were somewhat obsessed with the rape of white women by black men.

            When Roof attacked Emanuel AME Church, he reportedly accused the black parishioners of raping white women. His manifesto talked of white women in interracial marriages as “victims” who could be “saved” from their black husbands.

            So why is this flag still up? . . .

            THE REST:


            ALSO OF INTEREST:

            Official secession declarations were all explicit that the goal was to protect slavery: http://www.http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html

          • bobnstuff

            Well said, thank you.

    • Dennis Wenthold

      The flag in question was a battle flag that many Southern Americans died for. Since then hate groups have used it as their emblem which is disrespectful. Therefore, it needs to be in a history museum.

      • bobnstuff

        I agree with you. We need to remember the history but lose the hate.

    • homegirl

      Anne Coulter Does It. Again!
      SLAVE TRADER. Shouldn’t we ban “Amazing Grace,” along with the
      Confederate flag?

      https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/614515126813638656 (NSFW link)

      Yes. John Newton, who wrote Amazing Grace, was a slave trader. But
      Amazing Grace is about his awakening – finding God, leaving behind the
      slave trade and becoming an abolitionist. He was lost, but now he’s
      found – was blind, but now he can see.

      What a wretched, wretched woman.

      The Confederate Flag wasn’t a flag of the South’s awakening against
      slavery – it was the flag of a nation that fought to preserve slavery.

      What a stunningly stupid comment – even for Ann Coulter.

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