Mining moratorium a blow to Wyoming’s coal industry

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January 16, 2016

The Obama administration’s announcement of a temporary freeze on new coal mining on federal land blew through the Powder River Basin like Wyoming’s bitter winter wind.

The Friday announcement was hardly unexpected, given the administration’s so called “war on coal.” But with beleaguered big coal poised to dig some of the biggest known deposits in America’s top-producing state, hopes ran high – until they were dashed.

“The administration has chosen to pander to special interest groups and do their bidding,” Colin Marshall, president and CEO of Cloud Peak Energy, told FoxNews.com after the announcement.

  • reggie

    Gotta crush it, then when it’s worthless, So r os will buy it for pennies on the dollar like he did with other coal stocks.

  • jerry young

    I just read some of obamas thoughts on unemployment so why when we need jobs so bad does obama do all he can to limit work in America

    • bobnstuff

      Mining creates very few jobs and destroys the land. This isn’t the old days when a hundred men went under ground and dug out the coal. This is pit mining where eight men with big machines take the top off the mountain. He isn’t shutting down any mines he is just not giving away our public lands right now. There is no shortage of coal or places to mine it. Obama has given into the energy industry so much he has to throw a bone to the greenies every once in a while.

      • Hillaryoncrack

        Mining creates many, many jobs and does not harm the land a bit. Unless, of course the EPA is in charge. Then, it destroys rivers, fish, animal watering sources, farm irrigation sources, etc. Wise up bob, we’re watching you.

        • bobnstuff

          I live in a house built by mine owners in coal country. The largest coal mine in the country from 1900 to WW II is two miles from my house and my brother in law works in pit mining. Both my grandfathers were miners I’m name for an uncle that died in the mines. I think I know a little about mining. Pit mine destroys the water table, small streams and the soil. You should go to a pit mine and watch how they do it. Also there is no shortage of places that they can mine or a shortage of coal.

          • Hillaryoncrack

            My Grandfather was a coal miner. Look, all I care about is cheap electricity. Other than that, I don’t give a tinkers damn about who you are named for, the water table or a tiny fish that no one gives a shit about.

          • bobnstuff

            News flash wind and solar cost is dropping, most of it’s costs are up front. I have a friend that put panels on her roof and gets a check from the electric company every month on top of free electric. Also solar employees more people the coal. On top of it coal electric is dirty, live near a power plant someday and you understand. Those tiny fish are food for other animals and help keep the water clean. I have a well so the water table is very important to me. Your cheap electric has a much hire cost then you know. By the way the EPA was created by the republicans.

          • Hillaryoncrack

            So, your friend gets a check huh? Don’t believe it. What happens on extended cloudiness? Solar employees more people than coal? doing what? Picking up dead eagles? I live near a power plant. I see no problems.
            I retired from the EPA. They are, if you can believe it, more corrupt, power hungry and mad, than the German Gestapo.
            The EPA was created by Nixon to appease a bunch of autistic retards.

          • bobnstuff

            You really need to check out solar, Germany gets 40% of their power that way. It still works on cloudy days. I live near the second most cloudy city in America. Just so you know Walmart employees more people then the coal industry. You really need to keep up to date, the world is changing, and fast. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/02/23/solar_jobs_growth_the_industry_now_employs_more_workers_than_coal.html
            As far as the EPA, I have fish in the stream behind my house, when I was growing up the water smelled and turned all the rocks orange. In the 30’s the street lights were on all day in Pittsburgh, in the 50’s you know when you were coming into town by the stink of the steel mills. I like having air I can breath and water I can drink, I guess you don’t drink water. If you do live down wind of a coal fired power plant then that gray dust you sweep of your porch is also in you lungs.

          • Hillaryoncrack

            Look bob, I’m all for clean whatever. And I’m happy for your little fish. I love fish. Have a large aquarium myself. Love to go fishing and eat said fish.
            Your first mistake was growing up in Pittsburg. If you’d have grown up in Chicago, like I did, you could have been a Bears fan and not a Steelers fan.
            I understand what you’re saying, just don’t like the Gov’t. ramming it down my throat.
            No, I don’t drink water. Fish have sexual relations in it. I drink Crown Royal.
            My lungs are a totally other issue.
            My best to your family.

          • bobnstuff

            I wish that the government never had to make people do the right thing but there are people who put greed ahead of doing the right thing. I have over the years seen good mining companies and bad ones. The last one mining here was very good and did a great job of fixing the damage done by the ones before him. The difference is he lives here, in fact two houses up from me. There has been a lot of work put into cleaning up our environment and it has made a big difference. As I said the world is changing fast, the energy industry is going through major changes and there is a lot to be excited about, if you like technology. If some companies have their way power plants will be a thing of the past. Tesla is building a whole house battery that with solar panels would mean no more power companies, This isn’t science fiction, We are talking the next few years. For about the price of a new car you could never have an electric bill again. I can live with that. Even without the government coal is on it’s way out and has been for years. Natural gas is taking over right now, cheaper and cleaner. They can convert the coal plants to gas plus it’s cheaper to build new plants to use gas. The coal fired ones are getting old. The energy companies will try to hold on to the grid and the old plants but it’s time is short. As far as growing up a Steelers fan it’s real nice to have a winning team but I have watched a game since Bradshaw was playing. I hope you get time to fish this year. Best wishs to you also.

          • jerry young

            in the first place you don’t live in Germany, secondly our government has to stick their greedy hands into everything and if they can’t line their pockets they are against it, the problem with solar and wind isn’t that it don’t work it’s the fact it’s so expensive you’ll never recover the cost average about 10K to have it installed and add to that maintenance and batteries, it’s a lot of work not all can do, I’ve checked into it you have to have to many panels to do much good and you have to be able to use them, where I live you cannot install solar without permits and can be denied depending on your area so small setups that can be used for not much can be put up if you have room but aren’t efficient, I know technology is getting better but the cost of technology is high and not all can afford it! I also lived around steel mills in Ohio and yes times are changing but you cannot destroy peoples lives by regulating away how the earn a living, you being from a coal mining family should be one who understands this

          • bobnstuff

            Re check the cost has dropped for solar. It’s a third of what it was just three years ago. You can’t do a lot of things to your house with out a permit. As far as maintain of the battery there is non. The new panels take two people half a day to install and yes you will have to pay someone to do it . the new panels create about four times that of the old ones and to maintain them you have to hoes them off once a year. As I said time are changing. As far as the government killing jobs in the coal fields. What is killing the jobs is the price of natural gas and the way they mine coal. Those “good jobs” pay $21.00 per hour and you get to work nine months a year if you are lucky. In these case the government is not closing any mines, they are saying you can’t open new mines on some government lands. Now if you want to complain about something, complain that the most useless class in our society is running our government, rich lawyers. The whole system is set up so you need lawyers to do anything and accountants to do your taxes. You have to be rich or the pet of the rich to run for office. We have the best government money can buy.

          • jerry young

            when was the last time you checked prices? this was just this past summer and 10 K wont even pay for all I would need only a little more than half and I’m not even sure where I live if I’m aloud to have something that big, as far as batteries with the seal batteries there’s not as much up keep but you still have to clean the terminals often and every so often discharge them so they will take a full charge, plus they do go bad so not only are the very expensive to buy in the first place you have to replace any that go bad, I’d call that maintenance, again look at all the coal miners loosing their jobs, it’s in the news and not all mining operations are strip mines so it’s not all because of that, it’ more to do with the government regulations fees and control than how coal is mined, obama as much as said he’d bankrupt the coal industry with his regulations, fees and fines, you would think that anyone that comes from a mining background as you say would be more for this industry especially since that’s how your family earns a living

          • bobnstuff

            I talk to a guy at the home show last year and he figured about $10, 000 to do my house with 5000 watts which is what my back up generator is. I can buy a kit from home Depot for $12 380.88 that would give me a little more then that but installation isn’t included. Once installed there is a tax credit. You can sell the power to the electric company and get it back at night. My friend says its a real kick to see your meter running backwards. The batteries has a computer to do the tending and should have a ten year life with today’s technology. There is new technology coming up that should cut the cost by a lot. The other thing is electric use in our country is dropping. Here are the numbers dealing with coal production and employment. http://www.eia.gov/coal/annual/ You might notice that if Obama is waging a war on coal he is losing. Coal usage was up in 2013. You will also see why the coal companies want to do get above ground to mine coal, all the job loose in under ground.

          • drrocko

            Yea – bulldump ! Spain just dumped their whole “green energy” program ! CAUSE IT DIDN’T WORK !!!!1

          • jerry young

            thanks man I was going to reply to this liberal but you said what I was thinking

          • reggie

            You’re wasting your time. Bob knows everything there is to know about every subject.

          • jerry young

            I’m getting that impression, I figured I was done anyway

          • drrocko

            96% of every animal that EVER lived on this dirt ball has gone extinct ! Let that stupid little fish join the dinosaurs ! The earth won’t even miss it.

          • bobnstuff

            The trick is to keep us from going extinct. The earth might just be better off with out us.

          • I Seigel

            So by your calculations, humans too will go extinct. We should join the dinosaurs and that little fish, right? Cockroaches and viruses and bacteria will continue on. Since man isn’t able to affect his own environment, cause the climate to change or the sea levels to rise, we shouldn’t try to do anything about it. We’re going to go extinct sometime, so why not this century or next? Did I summarize your feelings on this matter accurately?

          • drrocko

            Got a pretty high opinion of yourself – eh ? Or a really really big ego ! Man can not change the climate on this planet (even if he wanted too) ! A well known scientist (and Nobel Prize winner) recently did a research project tracking the ambient earth temperature from the late 1800’s thru 2014. He noted a temperature rise of 00.3 degrees ! And that he attributed to the earths own orbit. But if you are fine with lining the pockets of the tree-hugging bunny-loving crowd – feel free !

          • I Seigel

            Which well-known, Nobel prize-winning scientist was that?

          • Hillaryoncrack

            Is there someplace I can send you some shoes, Mr. Hatfield? Fucking loser.

      • jerry young

        and the liberals speak! what planet do you live on? have you not seen or heard the news of all the coal miners losing their jobs? obama is doing everything he can legal or not to destroy the coal industry, all in the name of what? No there’s no shortage of places to mine coal just more laws, rules and regulations against it that cripples industry to the point of shutdown thats why it’s called a war on coal

      • ADRoberts

        You sound like a troll. Let’s check out your “likes” Just as I thought. About one like per comment. And I would guess they are from other trolls. LOL.
        So as to your claims, that would be against everything he has done in 7 years. He has shut down everything but the border and welfare.
        I would guess you are on welfare. RIGHT?

        • reggie

          He is a troll. Probably gets paid by the word.

      • drrocko

        Tour a Caterpillar plant some time – and you will see how many jobs mining supports. Not even counting steel industry or the tire companies.

        • bobnstuff

          You would think that but over half of Caterpillar employees are outside the US and so are most of there sales drop. They cut jobs in the 2000’s and have been doing some union busting. There big customers are the road builders, when highway funding goes up so does there sales when it’s cut they take a hit. I live three miles from one of the largest Cat dealers in the world and have friends that work there. You seem to believe the coal industry is a lot bigger then it is. Right now there are less then 90,000 people mining coal in the US. The job loss has come mostly from getting out of tunnels. Surface mining take about a third as many man hours and the workers get paid less. a coal miner to day makes around $40,000 per year.

    • Hillaryoncrack

      Because he hates America and wants us to starve and/or freeze to death. His children will be fine. Ours will die.

      • drrocko

        Yea – that maggot just bought a mansion in Dubai !

        • Hillaryoncrack

          My point exactly. He wants to kill us and our children, yet he lives high on the hog.

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