Texans organize ‘Operation Counter Jade Helm’ to keep an eye on the federal troops

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July 11, 2015

When the troops land in Texas for Operation Jade Helm next week, someone will be waiting for them.

Hundreds of people have organized a “Counter Jade Helm” surveillance operation across the Southwestern states and in an effort to keep an eye on the contentious military drill that’s sparked many suspicious of Uncle Sam’s intentions.

Eric Johnston, a 51-year-old retired firefighter and sheriff’s deputy who lives in Kerrville, is a surveillance team leader in Texas. He’ll coordinate three groups of volunteers, about 20 folks in total, who hope to monitor the SEALs, Green Berets and Air Force Special Ops in Bastrop, Big Spring and Junction when Jade Helm kicks off on July 15. With media prohibited at the drills, the volunteers could be a main source of information for the highly-anticipate seven-state exercise.

  • GR Arnold

    Stuffbob … If you don’t like or agree with Texas and the way Texans want it to be then by all means keep your crazy, liberal, and gullible ass out of here. We get enough of your BS from the parasites south of the border.

  • John Hardin

    ‘Texas like a whole other country’! Texans take care of Texans,always have always will ! Texas don’t want or need a damn thing the U.S. has to offer. (And they have nothing to offer except tyranny,but I guarantee they will pay and pay hard if they try any bullshit in the Lone Star State) Texas Proud/Texas Pride ! Fly that Confederate battle flag/Texas State Flag,high and fly it proud. If it offends anyone,who cares ? The trash it would offend don’t mean shit anyway !

  • Michael

    NOTICE: I am not sure what is wrong with this site, but the item below is perfectly formatted in Word.doc, but when cut-and-pasted to this format it becomes un-formatted.

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    Another reason to Secede and create a new American Republic;
    a whole new country. The 13 Southern States could go it alone to start. Now is
    the time to bring together the 13 Governors, 26 US Senators, 144 Congressmen,
    all of the State Senators, State Representatives, and County Sheriffs of these
    13 States for a Secession Conference to determine the feasibility of a separate
    nation and then, if it is deemed viable, to notify the current US Federal
    Government of the intent of the 13 Great Southern States of Arizona, New Mexico,
    Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia,
    North Carolina, South Carolina, and Florida to peacefully secede to form the
    new American Republic.

    The new American Republic should encompass all lands from
    the North-East corner of the State of North Carolina westward to the North-West
    corner of the State of Arizona and then due south to the Arizona-Mexico Border.
    Once that New Republic is created, other like-minded States such as Virginia,
    Missouri, and Utah can petition to join.

    The Tea Party started as a Grass-roots organization and grew
    almost overnight into a National Power; The Secessionist Movement can do the
    same. In essence, it’s not that we want to remove ourselves from those who do
    not follow our Constitutional values, but rather that we want to remove them
    from us.

    Imagine a Republic where the Constitution is the Law of the
    Land, Crime receives swift, but fair punishment, Illegal means Illegal, we only
    spend what we can afford, and only those truly in need feed of the Taxpayers!
    Isn’t that what the original Founding Fathers imagined?

    This would also give the new Republic a chance to clarify
    the Constitution to remove all ambiguous wording and to set Laws that would be
    more in line with a Republic that our Founding Fathers envisioned.

    Imagine a Republic with only one (1) Official Language;
    English.

    Imagine a Republic founded on, and governed by, the
    Judeo-Christian Religions, but where the 1st Amendment would still exist and
    where Marriage is defined as a union between one man and one woman. Sharia Law
    would be illegal.

    All of the New Republic States would have more revenues. Not
    only would all current Federal income taxes remain with the new Republic, but
    the millions of illegal immigrants would no longer be given any type of
    assistance at all; so they would leave almost overnight. A program that is fair
    will be created to allow workers from other countries to come to the New
    Republic to do work that cannot be filled by citizens.

    However, those receiving State Assistance would be required
    to undergo Drug and Alcohol Testing and to work for that assistance unless
    caring for children or a sick relative. Whether that work is picking crops or
    sweeping the streets is immaterial. What is important is that all recipients of
    State Assistance will develop Jobs Skills and develop a Work Ethic that would
    lead to a Private Sector Job which would turn that Welfare Recipient into a
    working member of society and a Tax Payer.

    All Federal Taxes currently imposed on the People of the New
    Republic would stay with the New Republic. In addition to the Federal Fuel
    Taxes that would remain with the New Republic to pay for Highway maintenance
    and development, new revenues could be raised through Toll Roads and Toll
    Bridges as is currently done in many states.

    Remember to take into consideration that this new Republic
    would control 2/3 of the coastline and therefore would take over and keep all
    Customs and Duties revenues!

    Texas alone would have nearly 2 Billion Dollars a year more
    in its Treasury because that is the difference between what they send to DC and
    what DC sends back.

    All current Tax-Payer funded Federal Property; Roads,
    Bridges, Dams, Buildings, Airports, Military Bases, Sea Ports, Parks and so, on
    will remain as property of the citizens of the New Republic. In addition, all current Federal Employees;
    Civilian and Military would be given the freedom of choice to stay with the New
    Republic or the old Federal Government.

    Social Security Funds currently held by the US Federal
    Government will be divided on a per-person basis using the most recent Census
    Report. If for example the population of the New Republic represents 40% of the
    total population, then 40% of the Social Security Funds will be transferred to
    the New Republic. The Citizens keep what they have paid for.

    The New Republic would also be more Pro-Business and as a
    result a large portion of businesses in California and other Liberal States
    would most likely leave and come to the new Republic.

    If incentives such as 10 years of Corporate Tax-Free Status
    were offered to any company that relocated into the new Republic and created a
    minimum of 25 new jobs, I think you would see a major migration of business and
    industry. Unemployment would be almost non-existent as this would create
    hundreds-of-thousands of jobs in the new Republic and an equal number of new
    Income Tax Payers. Not to mention all the increase in Sales and Property Taxes
    and Republic (Federal) Income taxes paid to the new Republic.

    Basically, the brains and money would flow to the new
    Republic leaving the remnants of the old USA with a ruined economy and a nation
    of illegal immigrants and welfare recipients.

    Let’s see how their Progressive Liberalism works for them at
    that point.

    We also envision a government accountable to the People.

    The Republic Government would only be responsible for
    National Defense, Interstate Commerce, and Foreign Policy. All other programs
    such as Welfare, Education, Medical Care, and such would be managed at the
    State level.

    Just as many states elect their Governors and Lt. Governors
    separately, so would the President and VP of the new Republic be elected
    separately. Imagine a Democrat President and a Republican VP or a Republican
    President and a Green Party VP. Checks and Balances! The People would have a
    choice and no longer be required to vote for the 2-person Team that represents
    the Lessor of two evils.

    We see a system wherein each State receives two (2) seats in
    the Senate and a total of ten (10) seats in the House of Representatives. Each
    State is equal and no State gets more votes than any other. How the States
    elects their Senators and Representatives; statewide or by District, is up to
    the individual States.

    We also envision that all new Taxes imposed on the People
    have Sunset Clauses that automatically retire the Tax after a set number of
    years. All renewal of Taxes must be approved by a majority vote of the People.

    Within the governments of both the Republic and the
    individual States, we think Senators should serve a maximum of one (1) Six-Year
    Term and Representatives two (2) 4-Year Terms. After that, back to your regular
    job. No more career politicians. Salaries would be capped at $50,000 per year
    per Senator or Representative and there would be no retirement pension.
    Retirement Funds would be paid into the same Social Security Fund that the
    Tax-paying Citizens participate in. All increases would require a vote of the
    people and no law would be passed unless the government was also held to the
    same law – no more special treatment of health coverage for elected officials.
    They get the same as the People.

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    their actions and inactions. Failure to pass an annual Balanced Budget at both
    the State and Republic levels would result in forfeiture, not delay, of
    salaries. State and National Debt would be capped at 10% of total respective
    GDPs unless approved by a vote of the citizens.

    With the exception of the border between California and Mexico,
    the remaining border would finally be secured. Any person found in the New
    Republic illegally would be banned for life from ever receiving benefits
    afforded to legal residents and citizens. They would also be banned for life
    from ever becoming legal residents or citizens.

    By taking the New Republic out from under the weight of the
    current Federal System, the New Republic would transform into a truly Free and
    Democratic Republic.

    For those who argue that the New Republic could
    not survive financially, one only has to look at most other western
    industrialized countries of the world that are much smaller than the combined
    size of the New Republic. Those countries survive very well. So too would the
    New Republic.

    • Detriotcity

      Nah! I say just send Texans to Washington and take this one back from the communists who call themselves democrats. I think it would take about one week of work and would take about 49 weeks to clean up the mess of democrats crapping their pants. Once past the smell we could then straighten this whole Warshington mess out and have a barbeque at GW’s ranch. Once we try the democrat bunch for the end run that did not work we can for pleasure go the jail and watch PELOSI, REID, OBAMA, AND THE CLINTONS squirm. I think it would be a hoot don’t you?

    • GR Arnold

      Sounds like a great plan but by all means you can shitcan the toll road and social security ideas all together. And we can do with more tariffs and less taxes.

    • GR Arnold

      I’d like to emphasize again that this is a great idea !!! 🙂

      • Michael

        Thanks GR. This was the synopsis of a Thesis for a Masters Degree in International Security Management. As I watched other countries; Scotland, Catalonia (Basque Spain), South Sudan etc, vie for independence, I suddenly realized that the idea could take shape without violence.

        If one looks at the real reason for the original Civil War, the truth will show that slavery had very little to do with it at the time. Let me reiterate “at the time.” Slavery became a point later.

        If you want to see the real reason for the Civil War read up on the Morrill Tariffs; it will blow your mind. Also read Lincoln’s inaugural address to see what he said would be the flash point. It wasn’t Slavery!

        What it was, was pure economics. It is happening again, because history has a habit of repeating itself when we fail to learn from the past.

        Thank you for your positive words.

        • GR Arnold

          AWESOME … I would love to get a masters in International Security Management.

          I agree with your emphasis, as stated on “the real reason for the Civil War”. My ancestors fought in this war and the stories were handed down by generation. Although these stories were told throughout several generations, the point of State’s rights and limited government never faded or changed as the stories were being told.

          I fully agree indeed; it was initially pure economic sand this fact has been horrendously misrepresented (if represented at all) in the 20th. century, starting from the latter part of the 19th. century.

          I look forward to reading about the Morrill Tariffs (any reason you can think of that I’ve never heard of these before … ???).

          Thank you again !!!

          • Michael

            Well after working in Africa for 7 years as Security Chief for a couple different US Embassies and then as Director of Security for different Oil/Gas and Mining Companies, I thought I should get a piece of paper to hang on the wall that says I know what I’m talking about.

            The Morrill Tariffs are something that I came upon during hundreds of hours of research and led me in a whole new direction; the Economic Secession. We are truly, in every sense, repeating history. Only this time there will be nothing else to blame. The North is once again trying to squeeze the South.

        • GR Arnold

          Very good suggestion here. If you read about the Morrill Tariffs followed immediately by reading Lincoln’s first inaugural address, you can easily realize the issue of slavery was only (initially) incidental to the cause of the war. It is interesting that Lincoln realized that State’s rights were the most important issue of the cause of the conflict (coupled with the economic stability in the South), yet equally interesting is that he hid his opinion of this until AFTER he was elected and sworn in.

          If I am correct in this I must say you’re right that history is repeating itself; the liberals are becoming more arrogant with inclination of total domination that is often contrary to the individual interests and principles of the state(s), and their socio-economic principles and stability. I also see that where the contemporary liberals will not outright say they don’t give a damn about the rights of the state(s), they act around it with sneaky changes to administrative law(s), executive orders, etc., this causing dissent and animosities towards their ruinous policies.

          Yes, I can see the repeat of history coming full circle.

          And I still despise the thought of toll roads and higher taxes … LOL

  • John Hardin

    Texans will do what we have to do to protect this republic from this tyrannical federal government. We will keep our firearms, our gold,our money,and fly the Lone Star Flag (it will remain our national flag too) and Confederate Battle Flag high and proud,whenever,where ever we want. Texans don’t mollycoddly queers,negroes, liberals,and wetback Mexicans,Yankee politicians,or the federal government esp, and don’t give a damn who it offends ! Once Texas secedes,and it’s going to,proud White Men/Women will keep the above mention scum out.! ‘(Although I really doubt the scum would really want to stay ! LMFAO) ‘Texas like a whole other country’

    • Detriotcity

      Long live Texas! Can I come live in Texas? They represent this Republic better than all of the politicians in Washington and California.

  • Catherine McCoy

    Here is a map of Sanctuary Sites:
    http://www.cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/Sanctuary-Cities-Map-Full-Screen.html

    I clicked on where I live, Riverside County CA and saw that the Sheriff’s Dept had invited them. The locals know that that Dept is loaded with Military equipment and Swat equipment

  • John Hardin

    Stuffbob,stay in NY or where ever your useless Yankee ass is from.Texans take care of Texas. I bet scum like you would vote for the African born muslim again if you had a chance,…. Loser !

    • bobnstuff

      There are 12,000 troops involved in Jade Helm. On a normal day Texas has around 109.000 regular troops. Add in the Guard and non active duty you have 194,965. So just why are you getting all up in arms about 12,000 playing war games. You have bought a lie. Texas does a really good job of taking care of it own, that why you get so much money from the Feds. We need to close all our bases in Texas and stop giving them money, They don’t want it and they don’t want our troops there.

      • Luke

        The only problem is the nanny gov’t you bow to needs that money from Texas to support the illegals and welfare trash..
        Here in the union occupied South we would love to see you leave along with all you haters of the Confederacy..
        Long live Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee and General Nathan Bedford Forrest, God rest their Souls..

        • bobnstuff

          Texas gets more money from the Fed then it gives. Taxes would have to go up 7% just to make up the difference. The oil industry gets more money from the Feds then we give to the poor and needy. I have a right to hate the Confederacy. My family lost people in the war. If I was from the South I would be angry for being mislead by these people into fighting a war to protect the 4% rich slave holders. The good folks of Texas are easy to mislead, they believe that the state can be taken over by a force of only 12,000 men.

          • Graywolf12

            Bobstuff, Find an honest history book. Slavery did not become an issue until about 2 years into the war. It was not started about slaver because Blacks Owned slaves as did some Northerners. You should be angry because you have been few altered history of your country.

          • bobnstuff

            Look up the Ordinance of Secessions of the Slaveholding states and see how many states list slave as a cause. About half used it. This are the writing of the states at the time.

          • Graywolf12

            About 1/2 is not ALL. A note to democrats that lie to blacks about their action in the war, it was the REPUBLICANS the south feared because they were anti-slavery.

          • bobnstuff

            Did you read the Ordnance of Secessions? 7 out of the original 9 stated slavery. The states rights they were talking about was slavery.

          • Luke

            Wah, Wah, Wah,
            Your idea of the Civil war sounds like the liberal loon version..The war was fought over states rights and Lincoln never decided to use the war to stop slavery in the South or in the north until two years after the war had begun..

            Texas is the 12th largest economy in the World, I hardly think they need your money..

          • bobnstuff

            If they don’t need the moneythen why do they take it?

          • Luke

            Well most of it came from them and they need it back to support the liberals in their state who live off the tax payer..

          • bobnstuff

            Go spend some time studying the war, You will find that it was a rich mans war but the fighting was done by the poor. Go spend a year studying it and then you my stater to understand what truly went down.

          • GR Arnold

            “Texas gets more money from the Fed then it gives. ”

            BULLSHIT … you’re out of your damn mind … LOL

      • John Hardin

        Texas don’t need federal money,Texas has it all ! Just how much federal money do we get anyway ? Do you know ? Hell no ! The U.S. needs Texas,Texas damn sure don’t need the U.S ! When Texas secedes we will be the wealthiest country in the world. I don’t guess a brain child like you realizes just how much oil and natural gas Texas has ! Not to even mention our ports,agriculture,the largest cattle ranches in the world…etc ! Texas has got it all ! The Republic of Texas would make billions and billions in annual trade alone !

        • I Seigel

          Trading with who? Not the US. The US would put an embargo on trading with Texas. Like Cuba for the 21st Century.

      • John Hardin

        And US troops won’t be in Texas much longer. The money that Texas gets from the US is reimbursement for having to secure our own borders to keep out wetbacks,iSIS,and other terrorists wanting to cross our sacred Texas border through Mexico….and this is being done with the African born Muslims approval. Texans take care of Texans,always have,always will !

      • Detriotcity

        Wrong. Texas should be getting more help. They should not be the only ones up in arms about Jade Helm it should be the other 56 states as well. The government cannot be trusted to do the right thing and this Republic is in trouble because of the lack of concern about issues that count for the American people.

        • bobnstuff

          I agree that Texas should have more border guards, in fact the a bill passed the senate in 2012 that would have given you just that but the republicans in the house never got a chance to vote on it. There are some things you should think about though. Crime rates in this country are dropping, the number of illegals are at a low point and isn’t going up. The people who are doing the crimes are not the illegals but the people here legally. The number of guards has been doubled over the last ten years. Most of all the president asked congress for help on the problem and they did nothing. Texas has a senator who thinks he should be president,
          what bills has he put forth in congress to deal with the problem? He talks a lot but he isn’t doing the job you need done. Texas has 35 members of the house, what have they done for you on this problem, where are the bills dealing with this, where is the money to pay for fixing the problem? The republicans said they wanted to fix the problem on a piece by piece bases, when are they going to start? If you want something done about illegal immigration you need someone in congress to work for you instead of the Koch brothers. At one time Texas had Congressman that word for them, how do you thing you got all those bases in the first place? You can complain all you want but it’s your people in congress that have done nothing to fix it. If Texas votes them in don’t blame everyone else.

          • Detriotcity

            I disagree with you. The US is suffering more crime of violent nature since the democrats took office. The gangs coming over the boarder for Mexico and their lack of respect for law and order is the cause. What is yours is mine attitude has got to stop. Those who have worked hard, stayed out of trouble, do not have multiple pages of rap sheets, and walk with their father on a dock do not deserve to be shot dead. This is going on where ever these illegals are living. ISIS is on the way and the boarder of Mexico must be sealed off. Thousands upon thousands are coming here to do us harm. It is time to close the boarder and let in to this great country those we want to let in. The democrats are setting us up for complete turmoil and crime worse than Chicago and Detroit can’t you see this? Voting is a right reserved for Citizens who have given their all to make America great. Not for those who wish us harm.

          • ch2801

            Actually, they have more than once. Reid tabled it and it never went to senate. I know, I get my representatives newsletter.

          • bobnstuff

            Her is how it went down in Congress as far as I can see. The president asked for $3.7 but the senate s bill
            that couldn’t get passed the republicans only had $2,7 billion in it . The house passed a $694 million bill that payed back Texas what they had spent sending the Guards to watch the border patrols do their job. That bill did almost nothing and was only intended to be
            a slap in the face to the President and so they could say they had done something.

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/02/us-usa-immigration-house-idUSKBN0G14GL20140802

          • GR Arnold

            Crime rates are dropping because more people are armed.

          • bobnstuff

            Good guess but wrong, Gun ownership is also dropping, gun sales are up but it’s the same people just buying more.

          • GR Arnold

            No I’m not wrong at all. I’m 100% right and if you want the stats to prove just check the NRA, NAGR, GOA, and others. Their stats are good as they don’t care one bit about impressing people like you.

          • bobnstuff

            So the gun groups all say ownership is up but the New York Times and Fox News say they are down as well as a large number of others. I have read the hunting magazines off and on for years and there have been a number of pieces on the fact that hunting is down, the passing of the love for hunting is not happening. I know this to be true in my own family. My Dad was an ordinance officer in WW 2. My oldest brother builds guns, my next brother has 13 marksmanship medals, My next brother was on his ships pistol team and I got my first gun for my 12th birthday and can hold my own with my brothers when it come to shooting. The next generation has no interest in shooting, of my five children there is only one gun owner. Gun owners are a dying breed. The young people have no interest in guns, at least not as many as did in my generation. This is why I believe that gun ownership is going down.

  • bobnstuff

    Never under estimate how stupid Texans can be. Maybe we should pull all our bases out of the state so they can feel safe. The fact that over 15% of those troops are from Texas and a bunch more call Texas their home doesn’t matter. Don’t trust those bad Feds after all they are only trying to give you health care, clean water and education. Those nasty people.

    • GR Arnold

      Maybe you should pull all the troops out of here. This will only give Texas the green light to backfill the vacancies with state guard troops and thumb our noses at the guvmint AGAIN for not doing the job they are supposed to do, as with of course their refusal to seal out border.

      • bobnstuff

        Just how do you seal the 2000 mile plus border? Are you willing to pay enough taxes to do it? Also is Texas willing to give up the billions of dollars they get from those bases. Texas already spend less on human services then most states, just
        think what losing that much more money will do from it. If the
        military tried closing any bases the governor would through a fit as well as your congressmen. Texas is good at sucking at the tit of the fed and then complaining that the milk isn’t sweet enough.

        • GR Arnold

          Obviously you’ve missed the whole point of the article that everyone was trying to make. The federal troops are NOT coming here to rehearse sealing the border. Sealing the border will NOT happen with the current closet-communist POTUS. That being said, Texans are simply stating they have the right to monitor what the federal government does if they are doing it in Texas, especially if they are doing something this big that will NOT help the security situation in Texas. It’s that simple. Seeing how the 2000 mile border is not, nor ever has been, secured I don’t see what your point is arguing about closing the federal military bases here. You’re kind of chasing your tail.

          F.Y.I. … Haven’t they closed enough military bases in Texas already in the past several years … didn’t impact us much, now did it? This FACT invalidates your point.

          You’re argument that Texas needs the US guvmint is half baseless. You’re leaving out the part that the US guvmint needs Texas more than Texas needs it.

          “Texas already spend less on human services then most states, just think what losing that much more money will do from it.”

          You’re 100% correct. Texas is NOT a socialist state and we like it that way. Plan on keeping it that way too. We take care of ourselves. Socialist-Minded people need to stay the hell out of here as they are NOT welcomed here.

          “Texas is good at sucking at the tit of the fed and then complaining that the milk isn’t sweet enough.”

          Substantiate this claim with evidence, please. We told the US guvmint NO to federal aid for Hurricane Ike. One of the best things Ron Paul ever did. WE THE PEOPLE have rebuilt the Gulf Coast and Galveston ourselves. Look at how Texas has recovered VS. New Orleans. Kind of self-explanatory in my opinion.

          • bobnstuff

            Since the Reagan amnesty the republicans have had 14 years in office to seal the borders, but when they were in office illegals didn’t matter. I will ask again how do you close 2000 plus miles of border with out bankrupting the country? You treat your poor very badly but since you got yours it doesn’t matter if they die. Your education system is the pits but uneducated people are easier to fool. You do not take care of you own. I will stay out of Texas and I wish Texans would stay home. You can move all your bases out of the state and pay for your own national guard as far as I care.

          • GR Arnold

            So have the closet-communist liberal Democrats, so what’s your real point? By all means .. stay out of Texas. We don’t want people here that cannot, or will not, help themselves.

          • GR Arnold

            We CAN pay for our own national guard. Been doing it a long, long time now.

          • bobnstuff

            No you haven’t, 95% comes from the Fed. The only time the state pays is if the governor calls them out and then they go and get the money back.

          • Luke

            Well Texas is still part of the US and much money is wasted in your state as well.
            Tax money from many states pay for our military, you think the money grows on trees..

          • bobnstuff

            My point is that it’s the US government that the State of Texas is part of the pays the bills When Perry sent 1000 troops to watch the border guards do their job he asked the feds to pay for it. Texas is part of the United States of America and in fact has 35 members in the house. In effect Texas is a large part of the federal government that they don’t trust.

          • GR Arnold

            You’re biased in your point and you’ve already been called on this. Texas is doing the job the feds won’t and it’s to protect Texans. If it weren’t for the closet-communist fraud Anointed One the feds would’ve been doing a far better job of securing our border.

          • GR Arnold

            The federal guvmint is supposed to reimburse the state that is why the national guard can be ordered out in time of war to begin with. Otherwise they would be exclusively under state control and they DO exist to primarily serve the state, not the feds.

          • GR Arnold

            And again, you’re wrong when it comes to Texas. The Texas Military Forces are comprised of 3 operations; the Air National Guard, the Army National Guard (or National Guard as some folks call it), and the volunteer Texas State Guard. The Texas State Guard has been around forever and they are volunteers unless activated by the Governor and cannot whatsoever be federalized. The Texas State Guard is under the exclusive control of the Governor.

          • GR Arnold

            Texas has it’s own UCMJ and Medal of Honor. We have always done things our way for the most part and always will.

          • bobnstuff

            So does Pa. and most other states Big deal!

          • GR Arnold

            And we will still always do things our way in Texas.

          • GR Arnold

            We don’t “treat: the poor any certain way at all. It is YOUR responsibility to rise out of poverty not the state’s responsibility to pull you out of it or keep you out of it. And we ARE securing our border at the moment. Got tired of the clowns in DC not doing THEIR job.

          • bobnstuff

            Not according to you newspapers or your congressmen. You are right about the clowns in Washington not doing their jobs. The Congress needs to pass an immigration bill with funding for dealing with the problem. It can’t be done for free and the present law is a joke. However illegal immigration is only a problem when the democrats are in the White House.

          • Detriotcity

            You are right about immigration being a problem when democrats are in office. They do not know the difference between immigration and illegals. America is not open territory. If you want to come here to the land of the free, there is a legal way to do that. You must assimilate with the American people and control yourself in order to make a America even greater. If you do not — go away we do not want you. If you are a killer, a thief, a diseased carrying person, a person of low character and no morals — we do not want you. Stay away. These type of people know that when conservatives (like Texans) are in power in the government no fences are needed because this jerks will be put back where they come from.

          • bobnstuff

            The numbers don’t back up your view, More people come when the Republicans are in power and Obama has sent more back the any republican since Eisenhower.

          • Detriotcity

            Unless you have specific numbers to back that up I would again have to disagree. You have seen the train loads of illegals coming across into Texas and New Mexico, and AZ. The latest estimate that I heard from a reliable source says that we have around 21,000,000 illegals in the country. The good news is that only 16,000,000 are on the take using our tax dollars, and as many as 9.3,million are said to be people who wish us harm. It does us no good to try to make something good of this when it does not have to be this way. I personally think that we have lost California due to the shear number of illegals and the liberal thinking that goes on there. I cannot prove this nor do I have any hard numbers to back it up. I do know that mis-placed H-Katrinia victims who have worked their way north are doing a lot of theft, and creating gangs to rival other black gangs in the Detroit area.

          • bobnstuff

            The number of Illegals in the US today is around 11.3 million and has been dropping since 2006. That number has been used buy ABC, CBS, NPR, The New York Times, The Washington Post and just about every other reliable source in the country. 8.3
            million are working.

            http://www.channel3000.com/news/politics/immigrants-and-crime-crunching-the-numbers/34066040

          • Detriotcity

            Would it surprise you to know that Yahoo is reporting the following: You want interesting facts?

            * 10-20 million illegal criminal aliens presently roam the U.S.The number of illegal criminal aliens doubled in the 1990’s.

            * Illegal aliens constitute over 25% of the federal prison population.
            In some areas of the country, 12 % of felonies, 25% of burglaries and
            34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens.

            * In Los Angeles alone, 95% of all outstanding warrants for homicide (
            which total approximately 1,200-1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to 2/3
            of all fugitive felony warrants ( approximately 17,000) are for illegal
            aliens.

            * In fiscal year 1999, incarceration expenses for incarcerating illegal
            aliens in state & local jails in Pennsylvania alone cost taxpayers
            $13.3 million. It has been established that the nationwide costs to
            states and localties for housing illegal criminal aliens is about $2
            billion per year.

          • bobnstuff

            You are either making up facts or getting them from someone who is. The government does not track Illegal in our jails so you know that any number is unreliable. You numbers are all bogus. I notice you didn’t give any links. I know that you I would love to see the sight you got these numbers from, it should be fun.

          • bobnstuff

            If you are going to make up numbers do a little homework first. For your LA number to be right they would have not arrested anyone for homicide in the last three years. Your PA numbers are low if you want to prove anything since they are only 7% of the budget. The federal prisons do not keep stats on immigration status.

          • Detriotcity

            Bob, I did not make them up — instead of Google go to yahoo. Those numbers are there.

          • bobnstuff

            I found it, it was Ann Coulter who said it, go fact check her she made up the numbers. I used Dogpile. It only took me about two hours to find it. Anytime is see something that doesn’t add up I go digging. LA had just over 500 homicides last year, a low number for them so that number of warrants isn’t true. LA has the highest illegal population in the country around 10% but you are safer there then in Cleveland. In 1990 Pa’s budget for state prisons was $200 million $13.3 million would be a low number, In the 1990’s Pa had a low illegal population and only in the last six years or so has it started to climb. I have live in Pa all my life and have only known one illegal and she had overstayed her visa. She was deported right after 9/11 back to Africa. Trump and that group are trying to scare everyone with fear of crimes that just not there. The real problem isn’t their getting welfare it’s the people that employ them. If the didn’t have jobs they wouldn’t be here. When our present law was written the data base wasn’t part of it and employers don’t really have to check. Being in the country illegal is the same level of crime as speeding as far as the law goes When they are picked up they can only be kept for so long and then they end up being let go unless there are any out standing warrants for them. The laws for employing one is a $250 fine and if I’m not mistaken in Texas they don’t even enforce that for house keepers and the like. . In other words the law stinks and no one is in a big hurry to fix it. I have been reading about the Border in Texas and If they want to control it they need to triple the budget at the very least. Only about 34% is secure at this time. They also need to make it easier to send non Mexicans home. The man you seem to hate is the one who asked for just that and was shot down by your own people in Washington. If I was from Texas I would be agree with elected officials and also with the people saying the State was unsafe because of the Illegals when of the top most dangerous cities none are in Texas. In fact some of the safest cities in the country are in Texas.

          • Detriotcity

            Bob, the current laws in effect could solve the problem. All the current administration would have to do is say to the Attorney General is: “do your job and enforce the laws on the books, and form a special task force to enforce I-9’s and audit employers and bring fines (hefty fines they are) on employers who are violating the law,” DONE.

          • bobnstuff

            They don’t have the manpower or the budget. They try to get the worst ones out first, but they just don’t have the people to do the job. To make matters worse Congress cut their budget. Forget what the you hear in the news, go look at how many people work in the department and how many offices they have and then tell me they can do the job

          • Detriotcity

            I did not make the numbers up. This was reported by the US Census:

            Number of Illegal Aliens in the US

            Blog > Geography > United States > Number of Illegal Aliens in the US |

            How many illegal aliens are there in the US?

            Total est. corrected to – 22,214,000.

            The latest foreign-born population survey conducted by the US Census
            Bureau (2008) reports that 22,140,000 illegal aliens live in the US ‘“
            i.e., foreign-born individuals who are not US citizens. This group
            amounts to 60% of the foreign-born population, and over 7% of the
            country’™s population.

          • bobnstuff

            That 22,140,000 includes people here with green cards, in other words legally here but not US citizens.

          • Detriotcity

            I do not know that to be the case. I honestly do not know if green-card holders were included in that number. The census said “illegal Aliens”. If they had green cards they would not be illegal is the way I understood it.

          • bobnstuff

            They are I just looked it up again to be sure. The Government stuff can be a little confusing. I had seen the number before when the government was printing all those green card and people were having a fit.

          • GR Arnold

            Illegal is illegal. There is no gray area. Most of these wretched people that have green cards would not have them if it wasn’t for the last mistake of amnesty.

          • GR Arnold

            That’s bullshit. They’ve been coming over in drives since late 2008 and it has not let up since.

          • GR Arnold

            This is not true. And again, you offer no proof of this. Besides, it was a Republican that sealed the border the last time, and for the short period of time it was sealed it worked.

          • GR Arnold

            I don’t know what you’re reading or who you’re listening to but I notice you also cannot provide substantial proof of what you’re saying. I think you’re just jealous you’re not a Texan.

          • bobnstuff

            I don’t suppose you have any real reliable source for anything you are saying. I would love to see a government or reliable non rightwing news paper link. If you can’t find one then I guess you have nothing but the party line to go on.

          • Luke

            We’re glad you’re not in Texas, there’s enough crazies there now..
            If you segregated the schools and then post the test you would see who the uneducated really are..

          • bobnstuff

            Or you could see which schools are failing to teach. It’s the schools job to educate all their students. I find it interesting that a state that doesn’t like big government has a state school board that controls what is and isn’t taught. If I don’t like what my school is teaching I can go talk to the school board members.

          • bobnstuff

            http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Federal-hurricane-aid-coming-to-Texas-but-is-it-1653357.php

            You told them no? I guess $22.8 billion is nothing then. Don’t worry though your good folks in congress is working on getting more.

          • Luke

            Gov’t money, or I should say tax payer money, always comes with strings attached.
            Texas contributes a lot of money in taxes to the feds, don’t forget..

        • Luke

          Bull

        • Detriotcity

          Texas has a great tradition of taking care of its old folks when they can no longer work. They do not cater to people who want handouts because they are too lazy to work. Texas stands up for what is right and moral with America and they do not need jerks like you breathing Texas air. So shut up.

          • bobnstuff

            Texas is 8th highest in poverty for people 65 and older and 5th highest for children living in poverty in the country. 1 in 8 elderly live in poverty but Texas has one of the lowest rates of assistance. That’s OK because it’s the old folk fault for not getting rich.

          • GR Arnold

            R-O-F-L-M-A-O … this is totally WRONG. You must get your stats from the UN (Useless Nations) and CNN (Communist News Network).

          • bobnstuff
      • Graywolf12

        He shoots off his mouth, but it is with blanks. He has no idea we have an Army, Navy, and Air force unlike the other states that had never been a sovereign country.

    • Luke

      The fed’s aren’t giving you anything, it comes at the price of your freedom and from taxes paid by Texans as well..
      You may trust the federal gov’t but the good people of Texas do not..

    • Detriotcity

      Yea Bob and use everybody’s money to do it instead of creating jobs so the liberals do not have to live off the government. I see that your vote is already bought.

      • bobnstuff

        So tell me about the republicans plan to create jobs. I just retired and that’s do to the improvement in the economy in the last six years. In 2009 it looked like I was going to have to work forever, my 401k was in the dump. Since the rebound of the market I have gain back my loses plus some. Having started four companies over the years I know a little about job creating and cutting taxes on the rich isn’t how it’s done. Our economy is driven by demand, like people wanting to drive cars and buying gas. Companies create jobs when people buy stuff. People buy stuff when they have money in their pockets. When you give a rich person money he doesn’t spend it he tries to hid it because you can only spend so much. Give the same money to a poor person and he will spend it and create jobs.

        • Detriotcity

          Basically, there are no jobs unless people have enough money to start a business. 80% of workers work for companies have less than 20 workers. Those people risk their savings and their hard work to start a business. They pay for their property, lights, gas, materials, salaries, taxes to the feds, state and local just like you and me. They take the profits, if there are any, and re-invest it into their business, and try to grow the business. Some are lucky enough to get into the 20% of companies and have 50 to 100 production plants to manage. They still have to pay for their property, lights, gas, materials, salaries and taxes. Where most of us get our money from the work we do for the 20% of companies, we go along and get a raise if the company can afford it. Most operate on a 9% profit margin. When you cut into that 9% or less, those people who own stock in the company do not get a dividend and start selling their stock. The company goes down the tubes. The company still has to pay their 39 to 50% tax. They pay this also on inventory not sold. They do get tax breaks, but along with those tax breaks comes government control and legislation that makes it more difficult to run a business. Bottom line is this: We need to make it easier for companies to make a profit and grow their business rather than have policies that make it more difficult, time consuming, and expensive to run a business. They will then use that time and money to grow the business and hire more people, give raises and more benefits. (This will also make the product less expensive and cheaper to buy) The government does not help business — just take more and more and provides a climate that the business owner finally says, “enough is enough”. I am out. Remember the government has no way of making money except through taking it from me and you. That includes business.

          • bobnstuff

            I have been that owner and with 20 employees you may have investors but not stock holders as you think of them. Your investor are the people you talked into giving you the money, in a lot of cases family. You pay your taxes just like anyone
            else except for you get tax write offs. I wish I has business enough to get into a 50% tax bracket. 9% is about right on profit depending on the business, however you won’t be paying taxes on the whole
            amount. Dividends on stocks are running around the 3% range right now for the big guys. My two retail business’s growth were very much controlled by demand. Good marketing helped but it helped with market share more then demand. Everyone seem to thing the government is a problem, I did not find that to be the case. I had to deal with the county health department for my restaurant but they didn’t ask for anything I wouldn’t have done anyway. People who have problems with the government are usually trying to cut corners, not a good thing. My health inspector ate dinner in my place almost every Friday night, she new that she could come in anytime and not have to write me up and that the food was safe. I believe that the people who complain about the government are not the ones you want to do business with or have in your community.

          • Detriotcity

            Agreed, Good for you and your patrons. I see that you know exactly what I am talking about. I wish I had the money that I have used in starting businesses.Have a good one!

  • Terry Rushing

    Never, never trust government.

    • Ralph Calabrese

      Especially with big money controlling the politicians.

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