BALTIMORE SUN: INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO KEEP, BEAR ARMS CREATED IN 2008

by AWR HAWKINS | Breitbart  |  published on August 8, 2015

On August 7, the Baltimore Sun ran a column ubiquitously examining the chasm between Americans who arm themselves for self-defense and Americans who do not. But on a deeper level, the column asserted that the meaning of the Second Amendment has been “in dispute” for “most of the nation’s history” and only came to be viewed as a protection of individual rights after the Supreme Court’s decision in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008).

This is the same argument that the LA Times put forth on May 22 and one which The New York Times as also been peddling since the Heller decision came down.

According to the Sun, there are two separate America’s currently living side by side. One of those is armed, one is not.

  • I Seigel

    I love these news photos of gun rights rallies. A crowd of white guys in ball caps. Can you picture the same rally but with a bunch of black guys in reversed ball caps? Man, the cops would be all over those homey “troublemakers” and “hoodlums”. There’d be some tear gas and some cracked heads within an hour.

    I don’t see any women in the photo either. They’re probably in the kitchen, where they belong.

  • JayH

    As Scopedope said below:

    ” “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.” “

  • bobnstuff

    For anyone who cares about facts here is a link to what the White House would like in gun control.http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx

    • VIShooter

      Haven’t you learned yet that you cannot believe a single word coming from the source quoted about what they will do. The promises made before the passing of Obama Care. Save 2.500, Keep your Dr, ect, ect, ect.

      • bobnstuff

        So what actions has he done in getting ride of guns? Oh and did you lose your DR?

  • bongching

    the meaning of the Second Amendment has been “in dispute” for “most of the nation’s history”. If any of the liberals were to read any of the founding fathers writings they would know they meaning of the 2nd amendment but they are more inclined to make up there own meaning for there own proposes.

  • Jimbo

    They believe their own lies…. They are after all the servants of Satan.

  • tom2

    Two Americas? Armed and unarmed? I know where I want to be. But this claim is only partly correct. Both Americas have the ever present under belly occupied with armed criminals. Let’s call it the Third America. Most criminals prey on the unarmed America for obvious reasons. If the armed America is disarmed, we’ll only have two Americas, the unarmed America and the armed Third America. It’s an unbalanced idea in more ways than one.

  • whoisshe?

    Mobley of Baltimore Maryland has abused gun rights, I really think Freddy Gray is not a citizen of this country .

  • Mike O’Mara

    If any of you “journalists” can read check the writings of Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Franklin and many other founding fathers about the right to keep and bear arms. Not only is that right spelled out in the constitution but in the writings I mention above it is clear that the intention of the founders was that this right was our protection against our government and tyrants. They refer to government as a necessary evil and that is why all the protections that Obama has ignored or changed illegally by executive order were included to keep government from getting to big for our good.

    • I Seigel

      Why does the Second Amendment start with the words, “A well regulated militia…”? What was the intention of the Founding Fathers to tie that phrase to the phrase, “… shall not be infringed”? Constitutional historians and Supreme Court justices haven’t figured it out yet. What makes you so smart?

      It seems the NRA hasn’t quite figured it out either. Their position keeps “evolving”. A few years ago, they said that guns were needed for hunting and self- protection. Now their position is that anyone should be able to own a bazooka or howitzer if they choose, and certainly an AK-47.

    • bobnstuff

      I have read the writing of these people and you are wrong . Have you done the reading of their wrtings or are you just repeating what you have been told?

      • Mike O’Mara

        Most of it is on my desk where it always is. It still says the same thing.

        • bobnstuff

          This really has nothing to do with the topic but I love Franklins writings, he had something to say on everything. Franklin didn’t have much to say about gun rights nor did most of the other framers of the constitution. When ever I see a quote from one of them on guns I check it out, It’s amazing the number of thing the didn’t say.

  • reagangs

    That’s strange …. I thought it originated in the 1780s …. when the Constitution was authored. Silly me … maybe I should review the “new” history written sometime in the 1970s. Or was it the radical 1960s.

    • bobnstuff

      I have read a lot of history over the years and I have seen a number of changes in how things are viewed. Today the conservatives are trying to rewrite history to support their views. The SCOTUS has heard very few cases on the second amendment over the years and most did not support gun rights, in fact most had little to do with gun rights as we talk about them today. If you have about half a day to spend you can find the real history of the 2nd. It’s not what you have heard from the right.

      • Tex Irvin

        not sure what history book you have been reading but they sure as hell and a lot different then the ones I have read, You must have gotten one of the liberal lefts new ones

        • bobnstuff

          http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2012/12/madison-federal.html
          “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.”
          James Madison (Publius) in Federalist Paper #46
          arguing for the ratification of the present Constitution including the Second amendment.

          Also check out George Washington.
          http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/feb/20/facebook-posts/did-george-washington-offer-support-individual-gun/

      • liberty49

        If the patriots had not been armed, we would never have been able to defeat the British in order to gain our freedom from the ‘ruling’ class of Great Britain.

    • patriot2

      there seems to be a lot of the “new” history popping up in the common core trash “de prez” is pushing on us lately.

  • scott
    • patriot2

      our tyrant seems to think he can,so do the traitors in dc.

      • Tex Irvin

        not just DC but in libtard states (CA,OR,WA)

    • Tex Irvin

      Amen!!!!!!!

  • savage24

    In journalism today the Who, What, Where, and Why have given in to the political correctness crowd. Forget the truth and facts if they do not fit in with the BS of this group. And yes, there are two Americas today, one is the ruling class and the other consist of those to be ruled. Those of us that choose to arm ourselves are a thorn in the side of those that want to be our rulers.

    • Scopedope

      Savage24, you are 100% correct. The liberals, the PC crowd & their ‘journalist’ enablers could rightly say: “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.” It certainly does fit them very well.

    • joe

      If someone doesn’t really want the truth, but simply wants license to do whatever feels good, they will get to a point where logic and reason does little to help them. A heart hardened around what it wants becomes militant. If you get in the way of that, you are a threat – you stand between them what they want. Their objective is to actually use the law to silence any who would even say they are wrong. They need the laws to affirm they are right against all that is screaming inside them, saying they are wrong.
      Politicians, hungry for power and control, simply put their finger to the wind, find out what the most militant among us want, and that is what they sell them and because they deliver what the most demanding want, they keep getting elected. Most go along to get along, with the end result being that the militant set the agenda.

      • liberty49

        Perhaps I misunderstand you, but it is NOT the militant that are winning today. It is the bleeding heart, compassionate socialists who have taken control of this nation and are gleefully trampling our Constitution in order to ‘get along’ and not rock the boat.

        • joe

          The bleeding-heart, compassionate socialistic ones _are_ militant.
          The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines “militant” as ‘having or showing a desire or willingness to use strong, extreme, and sometimes forceful methods to achieve something’ (www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/militant.).
          If you review their methods, you will see that the socialist contingency is just as militant as the homosexuals, the Muslims — indeed — they are as militant as any of the civilian resistance movements in WW2 France, Poland, or any other N.AZ.I-occupied country.
          The socialist movement, like the homosexual bloc, is using Alinsky’s book, “Rules For Radicals” but the conservatives of our land seem to have some kind of mental block about that writing.
          “Rules For Radicals” is NOT just about LEFT-WING, it is merely a list of and description of __methods__ that can be used successfully for _any_ political ends, a cook-book for movements, if you will.
          It would work very well for the conservative side also, if only enough of us so-called cons (a far different meaning for that word than when I was a police associate) would have cranio-rectal corrective surgery.

    • I Seigel

      Well, Savage, there ARE 2 Americas today, but they’re not the armed vs the unarmed, or the rulers vs the ruled. It’s all about money and power. The 2 Americas we have today are the super-rich 1% who are now allowed to anonymously exercise their “right” of unlimited free speech by buying whatever candidates will maximize the return on their donations, and the rest of us. Isn’t freedom grand?!?!?

  • bobnstuff

    At the time of the writing of the constitution the Brown Bess and other single shot flintlocks were the guns in use. A good shooter could get off 3 to 4 shots per minute and a drive by was on a horse. The main reason for a gun was to provide food and protect yourself from wild life. The population of the country was 3.8 million people. Today things are a little different. Even if our founding fathers meant the 2nd amendment to mean personal ownership, which is not clear that they did. Is unlimited guns right for today? Do anyone believe that our founding fathers ever dreamed of a gun like our modern guns. We know they didn’t give us the right to own or drive a car. One thing we do know is they believed in a data base of all the people living in the country. Every ten years they up dated it. Keeping records of who own what was also important to them. When we get time travel we can go back and see what they meant but I think they would believe us all crazy for letting things get so out of hand.

    • Joe Are Hintz

      You sound like the typical Jesuit!!! SURVIVAL was the reason for weapons!!!! FROM all things that devastate…INCLUDING starvarion!!! Go back to your vatican buTTies, and get your hairy maries in order for the muslime coming for ya!!!!! loser!!! You either went to modern stool, or ya skipped stool during history class!!!

      • bobnstuff

        Why did you disrespect me? The human race survived for thousands of years without guns. My guess is you have lost the power of thinking and just lash out at anyone and everyone. You might also learn to spell, The word is School in case you might want to use it again.

        • I Seigel

          I think old Joe here went to the Stool of Hard Cocks, but don’t quote me.

    • Rocknrobyn

      Do you also think that they could have foreseen the viciousness of so much of the population of today? The lack of belief in a higher being, or the sanctity of humanity? Protection of self and family is more necessary now than providing food by arms. I am sorry it is that way, but that’s the way it is.

      • bobnstuff

        At the time of the revolution 14% of the population went to church on a regular basis and only about half of Founding fathers were Christians. Today 82% of our elected
        officials are Christian so they might be surprised at that fact. If you take the population of Chicago and spread it out over all thirteen states you would get an idea of how few people there were.Owning a gun to defend yourself isn’t and hasn’t ever been an issue. What is the problem is assault weapons which are offense weapons. What is also a problem is the flow of illegal guns to places like Chicago. Only about 25% can be traced. Our country was started in times much different then today, had our founders know what it would become they my have done a few things differently. One last thing, the amendments are not part of the original constitution but were
        added on to make the states happy.

        • VIShooter

          ASSAULT WEAPON wow bobnstuff as far as I know ANY Weapon be it a Rock, Bat, Knife, Gun, any gun can and only becomes an assault weapon after you have assualted someone with one. In England right now they have a rash of knife attacks on folks over there so I guess as folks are being assualted by knives we should call all knives, assualt weapons.

          • bobnstuff

            Assault weapon
            Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define specific types of firearms. The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud. Some firearms are specified by name.
            Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weaponIs this answer helpful?

          • VIShooter

            ASSUALT WEAPON is term that came into being when the media started using it as their got you word of the Day. As a vet, US ARMY I have never heard any weapon I used called an ASSAULT WEAPON and apparently neither has the wikipedia link above.

          • bobnstuff

            I gave you the standard meaning that is used in the real world. This is what I mean when I talk about an Assualt Weapon. How many mass murders have you heard about with knifes? It’s kind of hard to take out twenty people all at once with a knife.

          • VIShooter

            All you have to do is,Look at the beheading by ISIL.

          • bobnstuff

            A sword isn’t the same but nice try.

          • I Seigel

            Boy, you REALLY are nitpicking. Looks like you’re kind of desperate to score any point you can, because you’re certainly not doing so using logic or facts.

      • patriot2

        he’s a troll.

        • Rocknrobyn

          Thank you. I kind of felt that he wasn’t worth replying to again.

    • lea82835

      Do you have a gun? Are you willing to give it up if the Government comes to YOUR door to confiscate it. Thomas Jefferson said, “The Strongest Reason for people to retain the Right to Bear Arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves”. And I am sure he was not talking about shooting a bear!!!

      • bobnstuff

        http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/firearms
        Here is a list of everything that TJ said about gun ownership. I don’t find yours listed so if you would be so kind as to give me a link I would be thankful. I do own guns and enjoy shooting. I have also shot the guns from the revolutionary war period. Very different from todays guns. I am pretty sure that we wouldn’t have mass shootings with them.

        • lea82835

          I have this “Monticello” site on my computer, but never really explored it. So, Now I did, and find the “quote” not really attributed to Mr. Jefferson. I have two shotguns that belonged to my husband, (deceased) and truthfully I don’t know how to use either one. My son keeps telling me to buy a handgun, get training and keep it in the house, since I now live alone. But at 80 it may be too late. Thank you for pointing this out to me But with all the handguns out in the hands of criminals, how do we stop their proliferation. I’m in Arkansas and drugs and guns are everywhere. So much violence in the paper every day, over 50% of the Spanish living here are illegal and drug cartels have moved up from Mexico. It’s a dangerous world. What is the solution??!!

          • bobnstuff

            You are lucky to have so many Spanish illegals around you, the have a low crime rate, about 50% less them average, in spite of what Mr. Trump says. Don’t believe everything you hear. Once again the people selling drugs don’t want to bother you if you aren’t involved with them. The crime rate is dropping not getting worse. In Arkansas it’s not the cartels but locals that sell the drugs and make them for that matter. If you are afraid, go get a nice big dog. They are better then any gun you can buy for protection and are nice to have around. Unless you want to go for training and are willing to kill someone owning a gun puts you in more danger not less. If you want to keep hand guns out of the hands of criminals you have to stop selling them to them. Those illegal guns started out a legal guns but the gun manufactures don’t care who ends up with them. The gun shops don’t always care and will find a way to sell them to who ever has the money. They traced 10% of the guns confiscated in Chicago to two gun shops in the suburbs. The only way to stop the flow is to be able to track gun sales in real time, The government is band by law from doing this. Last year Chicago took 68,000 guns off the streets but more just keep coming in.

          • lea82835

            I really wish I could agree with you but it’s just not so. Arkansas is one of the top 10 States that has had an increase in crime. A lot of states overall, have improved, Arizona became safer, New Mexico from somewhat dangerous to very dangerous. Arkansas saw a 47% increase in Statewide Crime. This is not a State with a large population, mostly rural, and there are drug havens and routes all thru the State. I’m in a small town, around 30,000 and everyday there are listings of people picked up for using or selling drugs. They are either local, newly arrived Spanish, or those picked up on I-40 transporting drugs thru the State.

          • bobnstuff

            Local drugs are sold be locals, always has been always will be. Met labs are the main problem in your area, also not cartel. The people being picked up on the interstate are not local and are trying to get to the real market as fast as they can. These people are working for the cartel but at a very low level. The newly arrived Spanish are running from the drug lords, not working for them. Get to know them and you will find mostly good hard working people just trying for a better life. If you check who is doing the crimes in your area you will find the same people that have been doing them for years. I wish I didn’t know as much about the drug world as I do.

          • patriot2

            don’t worry,you apparently don’t know the truth about the “newly arrived Spanish” or you would know they are illegal as soon as they cross the border.they’ve been murdering Americans all over the place & the only reason most haen’t heard about them is the “mainstream media” is on obamas lying list.

          • bobnstuff

            It’s you that doesn’t know the facts about these people. Go look at the crime rates. Real numbers not the I have a friend that … Real numbers say that they don’t want noticed by the police so the keep out of their sight. Show me some real numbers if you don’t believe me. His a fact. of ten cities with the highest illegal population only one is also on the ten highest crime list.

          • patriot2

            John Lotts book “more guns less crime”,but you wouldn’t believe it so go to hell.

          • bobnstuff

            http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/john-lott-guns-crime-datahttp://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/14/more-guns-more-crime-new-research-debunks-a-central-thesis-of-the-gun-rights-movement/

            I don’t have time this morning to read the book but I did read the reviews. His data is 25 plus years old
            and if he was anti gun he would have been taken apart the NRA for bad research. Did you read the book?

          • patriot2

            lea he is just another troll trying to misinform whoever believes his crap.

          • patriot2

            sounds like you fell for the obama & anti-gun bs big time.dogs get shot & peoples guns don’t just “taken away & get used on the owners.I also don’t believe you are a gun owner or you would know this is drivel from the anti-gun crowd.

          • bobnstuff

            So you say Obama is anti guns, Show me a quote from him, you know a real fact. It should be easy to find him
            saying he is anti guns and that he wants to take them away. You can find everything he has said at Whitehouse.gov. Prove me wrong with facts that can be checked.

          • patriot2

            exactly why should I have to provide you with the facts you won’t believe anyway? whitehouse .gov is just another of obamas places that he can lie at.he is the pig & you are the pigf*ker that voted for him.obama & bobnstupid,what a combination.

          • bobnstuff

            You say he lies. OK. Here is the place where you can prove it. Everything he say’s is at one place so you can see for yourself what he said. I guess you like taking other peoples words for things. I hate lies. What I hate more is having half truths and being given only half the facts. If you don’t like
            hard facts the you are the fool here. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics
            here is were you go to see what the congress is really doing and what the bill really says. Every day we are feed so much misinformation that I trust no news source and try to find the truth. There are to
            many sheep on these sights that believe anything the right tells them no matter how out in left field it is. If Rush say’s it it must be true. Rush has no education, he says anything he thinks you will
            believe. Go check his facts, He is right less then half the time. Here is one of my favorite lies. Hitler took the guns away from the German people. 100% false.
            http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/hitler-stalin-gun-control.
            Go do some fact checking. If someone says it’s raining I go look, you should to.

          • patriot2

            I don’t trust anything you say either,you are an obama voter & not much use to anyone at all.fu

          • bobnstuff

            Lets get one thing clear, I’m a centralist republican, you know the ones that built the party and had it high jacked by the right wing nut jobs. I give links to where the facts came from unlike most here. If you give me a link I check it out. If I find I’m wrong I will admit it. I try to see past the BS and look at what the truth is. If Obama was not black and was labeled republican and did what he has done for the country you would be singing his praises. Half the things he has done are stolen republican programs. It’s the republicans that wasted 6 years trying to make him look bad instead of working with him to get the job done. Just saying no to everything is not governing. Had Newt Gingrich been speaker of the house with the house supporting him things would have been different. Now all the republicans have for a record to run on is a lot of hot air.

          • patriot2

            now I know you’re full of it,you sound just like obama.why don’t you leave.

          • VIShooter

            When you buy what your son recommends make a Judge a 3 foot spread at 10 ft helps with shaky hands.

        • VIShooter

          Bob you have no idea. You read but you don’t know facts. Look at Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands where every gun MUST, as in HAS TO BE licensed then tell me what you see as to where on the list of Violent Crime PR sits. In Puerto Rico, every house, home, apartment or condo has STEEL BARS on the windows, doors, porches and balconies. YES, steel bars on balconies even if they are many stories up making every law abiding person live in a JAIL. Because living behind bars is the same as living in a jail. Oh, as to tracking well we all can see just how good that worked when this admin tried it out west not to long ago. Also if you want to know what happens when LAW BREAKERS know you are armed just look at Kennesaw GA’s crime rate, then tell me if that should not be the norm.

          • bobnstuff

            Did you look up the facts on PR, their crime rate is dropping, lowest murder rate in fifteen years and there are other US cities that are higher.
            http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/13/puerto-rico-sees-lowest-homicide-rate-in-nearly-15-year-as-island-takes-steps/
            Things are getting better there.
            Now look up Kennesaw Ga. and see if you can figure out why they have a low crime rate. You don’t think that the low poverty rate has anything to do with it. Read their gun law. If you want a gun you can have it if you don’t you don’t have to have one. If you have mental problems you can’t have one. It sure looks like gun control to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

          • VIShooter

            The reason crime is dropping is because most of those the law abiding that would be assualted have left or are leaving thier jails behind. They now live mostly in central Florida

          • bobnstuff

            http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/puerto-rico-population/
            Less then 10,000 per year population drop on an Island that is part of the United States so they can move anywhere in the US they want. As the economy improves crime goes down as a rule. Poverty creates crime.

          • VIShooter

            Bobnstuff, you must work for the Media or President Obana! You try to twist everything you write to make your version look so good. As someone from the USVI who went to school on the beautiful Island of PR and also has practiced with and shot against the Puerto Rican Olympic Shooting Teams. I do believe, that yes, I have more knowledge than you, or some other writer, sitting at a desk, has on these subjects. You are trying to use another fact twisters words as an absolute. I stated Puerto Ricans are leaving and many are moving to Central FL, fact. I stated all Law Abiding in PR live behind bars, Fact. I stated PR has very stringent if not the most stringent gun laws under the US flag, Fact. Yet PR is in the top 20 in the world for violent crime and the USVI is in the top 10. Yes, and one of the reasons for that, in this 6th generation Virgin Islanders mind are the European gun laws that were carried forward from when the islands were owned by European countries.

          • bobnstuff

            Could you send me a link? I have tried to check your fact but am coming up dry. I sure don’t want to live in Mexico or most of South America. I gave you hard numbers and links. Could you please do the same. How am I to learn the truth without hard facts?

          • VIShooter

            businessinsider.com/1homicidal-countries-2011-112?op=1

          • bobnstuff

            http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-healthways-2014-well-being-world-map-2015-6
            Could get your link to work but I found this one while trying.

          • VIShooter

            http:/www.businessinsider.com/1homicidai-countries-2011-11?op=1

          • bobnstuff

            ll can’t get the link to work, sorry. If you could give me the title of the piece and where is was published it would be helpful. I do want to thank you for making me look a Puerto Rico, I know people who are from there but had known little about the place.

          • VIShooter

            add without parentheses everything in them to the first link above after homicidal (-countries-2011-11?op=1) cannot get full link to transfer.

          • VIShooter

            Oh, and by the way if only 10,000 left Puerto Rico how is it that 380,000 have just moved to Orlando. Fox News.

          • bobnstuff

            That is 100% BS and you should know better. I just went to Fox and could find nothing about it plus that’s 10% of the population of Puerto Rico and larger then the total population of Orlando. What this means is you are easy to fool or you lie. Go look up some numbers. Everything I can find says that the murder rate is dropping iin Puerto Rico and the people are in the top 25 happiest in the world. You didn’t read the report that you linked me to. First it’s from 2011 using 2010 numbers, second the report doesn’t say Puerto Rico was the top. Third the report also links guns with the murder rate.

          • VIShooter

            From fox News Latino, So if you can figure out how to get to a site that contradicts your RIGHT WING way of thinking. Then maybe you can come to realize there is more than is being told in the right wing press. Oh, and why would there be 10’s of thousands of new home being build an sold to Puerto RIcans were it just 10,000, as you claim. Some
            cities feeling the squeeze as Puerto Ricans fleeing island settle in the
            U.S.

          • bobnstuff

            Do the math, a city of 280,000 taking in another 380,000 people. It can’t happen. Think about it. I found your first link after trying for an hour, It was based on five year old data then misquoted. You gave me no link on the Fox story and I tried to find it on Fox’s web sight but couldn’t. Do you remember a musical call West Side Story, it was about Puerto Rican gangs in New York, a big problem 50 years ago. Do you remember when Harlem was Spanish, it was Puerto Ricans. All of a sudden the fact that Puerto Ricans are coming to America is news.

          • VIShooter

            The article I refer to was printed in Fox News Latino on 22 July 2015

            Getting bigger: metro Orlando grows to 2.3 million – Orlando …

            http://www.orlandosentinel.com/…/os-census-population-central-florida-20150326-

            Mar 26, 2015 … All are part of the population growth that made the Orlando area the …Florida had six metropolitan areas in the top 20, including The Villages,

          • VIShooter

            bobnstuff, At some point, YOU ought to get it through some part of that left leaning brain of yours. Even thou you try very hard to slant everything you write to push your agenda just like, President Obana. Many of us can find facts that contradict you. On the VERY same list where you found YOUR erroneous data when you typed in Population of Orlando. I am ABSOLUTELY SURE you saw the Sentinels, Olando’s largest news paper and Wikipedia’s data that shows you were OFF by 2, yes TWO MILLION. Yet, once AGAIN you chose to use a figure that would make your BULL SHIT look ABSOLUTE.

          • bobnstuff

            http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/census-300000-puerto-ricans-now-living-central-flo/ncjkz/
            I still can’t find your link but I sure am getting an education about the Puerto Ricans in the US.I did fine your numbers about the growth of Orlando. I never know that there are more Puerto Rican in the US then in Puerto Rico. I did know that they are US citizens and can vote as soon as they get here. I’m not impressed with Fox’s search engine. I couldn’t find it even in Spanish. It should have come up with the information you gave me. I did find this http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ap-census-florida-hispanic-20150625-story.html

          • I Seigel

            People live behind barred windows or in gated communities anywhere there is a big differential between the haves and the have-nots. You could be talking about Florida, Los Angeles, anywhere in Central or South America, cities in Africa, or the West Bank. Gun laws have nothing to do with it. What’s the point you’re trying to make?

          • patriot2

            your right,he has no idea.he gets his “facts” from his buddy obamas lying speeches & really believes the lies.

          • bobnstuff

            The fact is did he say it or not. Half the things you believe he said he didn’t. You say he wants to take your guns. He has never said that and since everything he says is recorded If I’m not telling the truth you should be able to show me the quote.

    • Scopedope

      Are you really so stupid as to honestly believe that our founding fathers couldn’t foresee that there would be changes & progress made in the future? After all, there had been improvement to things just during their life time I’m sure, just as we have seen many changes & much progress in our times. They were not like so many people today. They said exactly what the meant & meant what they said. They had real honest to God common sense & used it in their daily lives. They had to in order to survive & thrive here in the “new world”.

      • bobnstuff

        I invite you to go read the writings of these fine people and you will find that they played politics as much as or politicians to day. TJ flip flopped pretty good. Franklin made Bill Clinton look saintly when it came to the women. Yes they were great men but they were just men trying to pull together a country. With in 80 years it fell apart. Their strength came from being a little vague in their writing and leaving it open to interpretation.

      • patriot2

        yes,he is that stupid.

    • patriot2

      the only things getting out of hand is the govt & particularly Obama & his minions.the founding fathers meant we should have whatever the govt has to defend ourselves from the very same govt.

      • bobnstuff

        You are giving the party line, feed to you by the gun manufactures by way of the NRA. Go read what the
        founding fathers said about gun ownership. Go read about the Whiskey Rebellion and how George Washington handle it. Learn the history before you talk about it.

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