Donald Trump’s favorite Bible verse is one Jesus specifically repudiated

by Victor Morton  |  published on April 15, 2016

Donald Trump was asked about his favorite Bible verse in a Thursday radio interview, and he responded by citing an Old Testament law that Jesus specifically repudiated.

In the interview on news radio WHAM-1180 in Rochester, New York, host Bob Lonsberry asked Mr. Trump whether there was “a favorite Bible verse or Bible story that has informed your thinking or your character through life, sir?”

Mr. Trump responded with a Mosaic law rule an “eye for an eye,” mentioned in several books, most prominently Exodus 21, Buzzfeed reported.

“Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That’s not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what’s happening to our country, I mean, when you see what’s going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us … we have to be firm and have to be very strong. And we can learn a lot from the Bible, that I can tell you.”

Unfortunately, an “eye for an eye” is one of the few Mosaic Law verses that Jesus singled out in the Sermon on the Mount as overcome, by the New Covenant that His death and resurrection would seal.

  • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

    Trump knows as much about the
    bible as a toad frog knows about calculus.
    He is not stupid, but he is grossly ignorant about the teachings of the Bible.
    I will vote for him if he gets the nomination, however. He does know how to intimidate and get his way. If he gets to be president, people will not be able to make fun of his hair because it will all fall out most likely. The presidency ages people about 4 times normal. Notice the grey hair on Obama?

  • believe

    READ the comments and you will see stupidity. It is the truth But if TRUMP repeats it it is wrong. GO FIGURE we have a lot of Obama lap dogs that make stupid remarks . not true remarks but it makes them look more stupid and get them much need attention from more stupid.After all that is Obama’s audience.
    WERE WITH YOU DONALD TRUMP.WE NEED A CLEAN HOUSE NO MORE IMMORAL EMPLOYEES JUST A DISGRACE WE HAVE IN OUR GOVERNMENT. AND LAUGHED AT BY OTHER COUNTRIES THAT WERE NOT DOING ANY THING TO RID OUR GOVERNMENT OF SUCH TRASH.

    Look at Ignorance in the face , here is just one . rockcut. he should be deported to countries with his ignorant attitude.

  • stan lee

    It’s possible that Trump didn’t even realize the significance of “Eye for an eye…..” However,that verse personifies Trump. He is a vindictive man if he even detects the possibility of losing any kind of contest to another individual. Therefore, while that verse was repudiated by Jesus, it has been resurrected by Trump because the words appeal to his character., He’ll never emulate the ethics of Jesus, especially not when “a deal” may be in process.

  • What Mr. Trump was trying to say, is that he sees the Liberal establishment’s propagated PC like being an “eye for an eye…” a resentful concept, and “that’s… is what he sees, as not nice.” Trump’s mind is turning a million miles an hour. He is not (D)umb, people.

    People, he is not a Bible scholar either, but he believes about a supreme being, God.

    And what did God say about King David after he took another man’s wife?
    And why was the Apostle Peter the “first” Christian with a CCW under his garment?
    Are you going to tell me, that Jesus didn’t know about that?

    “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” and “HIS thinking is not our thinking, and HIS ways are not ours ways.”

    Be thou silent and get thee into (D)arkness hypocrites(you are born into this world bent children)!..

    • USNavyPatriot

      Lots of people like to quote “Judge not, lest ye be judged”, which means God is the final judge. What people, who don’t appear to know the Bible well, don’t quote is scripture telling us “to separate wheat from chaff” or “to discern good from evil.”

      So it’s a thin line from making judgement to know the difference in what is good & evil and pointing that out.

    • Moki

      I agree that Trump is very smart, and his mind obviously seems to move a million miles an hour. He often doesn’t seem to complete his thoughts when he is speaking, and whoever is questioning him usually doesn’t seem to care about drawing him out and giving him a real opportunity to clarify or explain what he means. Hence, the apparent foot in mouth disease. I think he’d be very interesting to sit down and talk with.

      • Lorene B

        I agree, he is a thinker, his mind races on past his speaking. What is in his heart and his care and concern for the survival of our country is more important.

    • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

      What is a CCW? Never heard of it!

      • educated but not stupid

        concealed carry weapon

        • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

          Of course! Thanks.

    • jnora

      I have been a Christian since age 11, but could you tell me what a CCW is? I know I will feel stupid when you tell me maybe even embarrassed election, but I want to know. I have an inquisitive mind. you are right, “The Donald” is in no way dumb. One does not get where he has gotten by being stupid. That is what we need in the White House. We need someone where failure is not an option and where he will do what is good for the country. He is too prideful to fail and does love this country. First and foremost he does not want to look bad in front of the whole country and he would like to be the hero and save in the country would certainly make him a hero. Me, for one, would gladly cheer him on were he to save this country. One thing for sure he has the will to do it and I think he has the means to do it, also. He has raised a wonderful family… So many in this country cannot say that. I don’t care if he is boastful, quirky, because he can back up what he says. Many rich people have had bankruptcies because rich people are willing to take more risks. That it is what it takes to get rich. He has provided more jobs than we can ever imagine. Having been a project manager in construction, I know that on those huge construction jobs, is nearly impossible to keep tabs on who your subs hire, especially when they look Caucasian. He understands capitalism and capitalism is a good thing. That is what made our country rate and why should we settle for less. If the socialists and communists ( socialism is only communism without the guns) in this country want that type of life, then let them move to one of the countries that has it, like Russia, China or Cuba. In my family, there are two retired Chinese doctors. They have worked all their lives going to school and practicing pathology and neurology and were at the top of their fields in China. One became a US citizen and the other did not. Due to the neurosurgeon’s English not being good enough, he was not allowed to practice here, but did work in research. His wife stayed in China as head of Pathology at one of the largest hospitals in China. Now that she’s retired she has nothing and he has not much more. That is what communism does for you, young people. Let those who believe Hillary and Bernie go to Russia or Cuba for their medical help or to buy a new car or even fashionable clothes. That is what we will have here. No one will starve, but everyone will be the same except that cats and the government. I sometimes wonder why these things are not brought out by the Republicans before these uninformed voters vote. I am sorry for writing such a long post, but this venom that the Democrats are spewing out to promise and brainwash especially the young is evil and promotes idleness and even crime. Americans are too spoiled to go through that type of life and it will come to the point where they will do anything to stop it after they get it. Hence, the crime. After the taxes have risen to intolerable to the companies, I will layoff close down or leave the country and there will be no one to pay the bill and our country will collapse. Why is it people cannot understand that? For some reason they think the people would just stay here and pay them. Yes, they could do that but their businesses fail and it would be beyond the business owners capacity to save their business. Whoa… This is long and I am so sorry, but times are critical and I had to get it off my chest and reach as many people as I could. If you got this far, I thank you for abiding all these words.

  • ShemSilber

    THINK AGAIN, if you claim that the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) ever repudiated ANY of the covenant that He handed Moses, per 1 Corinthians 10:4 and Hebrews 11:24-26. Also take a look at Matthew 5:17-20, where the Master says, “Think NOT that I am come to destroy the Torah and the Prophets.” He came not to destroy, but to make the meaning more clear and understandable.

    I learned in Sunday school and in Bible college College how to twist Matthew 5:17-20 into a pretzel to make it say, “THINK that I came to destroy the Torah and the Prophets.” They were deceived, in other words, and so taught us lies. Either that or the Master Yahushua is a liar, and you should know that’s not the truth!

    The statement about “an eye for an eye,” etc., is not to be taken literally, but it means to judge fairly and in righteousness. Yahuwah Elohim, the Almighty One, teaches fairness in judgment, not harshness, and He has always been that way. He changes NOT, per Hebrews 13:8 and Malachi 3:6. His truth is eternal, per Psalm 117:2 and 119:89.

    Nobody from Adam until today has ever been saved by works, but by grace through faith, the faith OF of Master Yahushua flowing through us and giving us faith ON Him. Those who understood knew the promise that He would come to atone for our sins, even before the actual event, just as we today trust that He will come again before the actual event.

    HalleluYAH for His patience with us foolish mortals, in Yahushua’s Name, omein!

  • justinwachin

    Many people have no problem quoting the eye for an eye verse. What most fail to understand is the original law was not about revenge but compensation for those receiving an injury.

    Those who read the “Mosaic” law in its entirety will interpret the verses differently from those who pull verses out of context. We need to remember verse and chapter designations came long after the text of the Bible was written. The chapter and verse notation are navigational aids just like the words of Christ in red feature.

    • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

      You are the first one to get it correct. It was about compensation.

    • jnora

      When I heard him say it, I heard him clearly say it in jist. That is Roman law and not from God and I feel sure that Trump knew that. When I looked at his face as he said it, I could tell it was almost one of those eye rolling things and that he was using sarcasm. He knew it was not from God. That is Roman law and not from God and I feel sure that Trump knew that. When I looked at his face as he said it, I could tell it was almost one of those eye rolling things and that he was using sarcasm. He maybe lots of things, but stupid is not one of them!

  • James Allen Wyatt

    HE IS THE TYPICAL; PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT FITS THE CURRENT POINT OF VIEW OF WHAT IS DEEMED NEEDFUL. NEEDED.

    • Jon Ockunzzi

      WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CAN’T HEAR YOU!

  • An eye for an eye was as it was said, but Christ overcame that. Now when something evil happens to you by the bad guy, you can defend yourself, but if the bad guy gets away and you plot and think of ways to get back at him/her, then you are wrong. That is where thou shalt not kill [ murder ] comes in. But, if you know who did what ever they did, you turn them over to the authorities and let them deal with it.

  • louann

    Judge not or you will be judge! Take care of your self. To many more important issues then to bash trump over and over again.trump trump trump. Hes doing something right or the whole political system wouldn’t be so scared. Hes not all groomed to be your useless lieing politician. Were all use to..jesus came down to tell the self righteous scribes and Pharisees there clean on the out side but inside there sick.pray for trump.he cares for real.

  • PC Bob

    “Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that.”

    This speaks VOLUMES about Trumps so-called “Christianity!” I doubt he has ever even READ a bible, just as he has never even read the US Constitution! Yet, he expects us to believe he is a conservative? The man is trying to pull off the ‘yugest’ scam and con job in history! And his followers will jump all over us for attacking him on this! Hey, people, he wants to be our president, and he doesn’t have a CLUE about our country, our laws, our government, our churches, or about ANYTHING except real estate! Are we all insane? Have we lost what little sense we had? This is just unbelievable!

    • DONNADOLITTLE

      you think Hillary would make a better president ? Sure pray not!

  • ADRoberts

    Once again. Trump proves that he is lying when he says he is a Christian.
    And what is worse, he does not even know that what he says is NOT Christian at all.
    Just how much lying and stupidity can people stand before they wake up and understand that he is a PHONY.

    • Ken Jones

      You know, I try to be polite to people who express their opinions on here, but all I can say to you is, you are an idiot

      • ADRoberts

        I proved that he is not a Christian. And today, there was another article that added to the proof. He was asked what his FAVORITE Bible verse is. And he chose, “. and eye for an eye.” Strangly the writer of the article was able to point out that THAT is the verse that JESUS refuted, in the Sermon on the Mount.
        Do you get that? He is more familiar with the vengeance of the OT than the teachings of Jesus.
        Are YOU any more knowledgeable of the Bible than Trump is?
        I guess all who don’t lick Trumps shoes are idiots in your sight. LOL

        • ShemSilber

          The Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) never refuted but clarified and made more understandable the Covenant that He made with Israel, or else Matthew 5:17-20 is a big fat lie, and you know better than that. because He does not change, per Malachi 3:6 and Hebrews 13:8, omein!

          • ADRoberts

            So what? You think that just because you contend that Jesus did not refute, it is so. He did a lot with Pharisees and Sadducees. What do you call it when he destroys there fake false doctrinal structure. And you think that IF you can claim that He did not refute, it means that we are not to do so? Illogical.
            The covenant God made with Israel was rejected because of the failure to make the men stop sinning and the refusal of Israel to actually serve Him.
            Deny that.
            And what are you going to do with, “…..till all be fulfilled.” Looks like there is a time when it will pass from the law. Do you understand that? Not clear is it. But I bet you think it is. Now about your insistence that ALL laws, commandments and rules be kept. What are you going to do with Jesus’ discussion with the Samaritan woman at the well where he discusses that the time was coming when they would not worship “in that mountain” or in “Jerusalem” or on a certain day of the week. Men would worship in Spirit and truth.
            Do you still make sure that you don’t travel more than a “mile” on the Sabbath? And what about not working on the Sabbath? Do you, by your actions induce others to work to prepare your food?
            The laws cannot be obeyed. And that is why God said what he did through Paul in Romans 2:14-16. It is now about relationship. And IF you are told by God to shave only half of your beard, and you know that that is what God wants of YOU, you can’t not do it without sin and you can’t force others to do the same as He deals with each of us according to HIS will.

          • ShemSilber

            To pur it quite simply, the problem was not with the Covenant, but with the PEOPLE. What the Master Yahushua refuted was not the Covenant, but the Pirkei Avot, the Mishna, the Gemora, all the man-made works of law that He never commanded, such as the so-called “Sabbath Day’s journey” that you mentioned. That’s a man-made tradition, not from Yahuwah.

            As the Master Yahushua told them in Matthew 23, these were a burden that they laid on the people that they wouldn’t touch with one of their pinky-fingers. That’s why He called them hypocrites, play-actors, who gave Him lip-service but their heart was far from him, as many are today who claim allegiance to their Creator, but only serve the evil one through their actions.

            If we are following the Master Yahushua, who is the Living Torah, He will show us how to obey the written Torah that He Himself handed to Moses at Sinai, for all THAT Torah is as much in effect today as ever, minus the sacrifices, because there is not YET a Temple in which to offer them.

            If you have any other objections, tell it to the Master when He comes. He will set us ALL straight, with judgment to whom judgement is due and mercy to whom mercy, omein.

          • ADRoberts

            That is illogical. You see, God is working with and dealing with PEOPLE. So you claim that the original Covenant was good to go, but for the shortcomings of the “people. Sorry. But is knowledgeable of what HE wants to do. And If you look back to where Abraham was told to offer Isaac as a sacrifice to God, you will see that God stopped him at the last second. And then God said that HE would provide the sacrifice. You see, this was before the initial covenant was made. And already God was pointing out that HE was going to provide his Son as the Perfect Sacrifice.
            I admonish you to do what the Bible says. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. But be aware of this. God’s requirements are NOT the same for any two people. You should be able to see that in
            Romans 2:14-16.
            So maybe you should avail yourself of all that knowledge and make a list of the LAWS and rules and commandments that Yeshua still wish for us to obey.
            Oh, that’s right. Jesus said that He was taking it to a higher plain and that NOW we would worship NOT in rules and laws but in SPIRIT AND TRUTH.
            You see. It is now about being in such a close relationship with Jesus that we seek His will. That way, when He speaks to me and tells me to help someone who has not even expressed their distress, I am listening and obey and the act of helping them glorifies God both from the assistance and the FACT that Jesus was the one who told me of the need.
            That is NOT law or commandments. But to fail to obey would surely; be sin.

          • ShemSilber

            Brother AD, what is illogical is to believe that Yahuwah Elohim changes, or that His truth is different from one age to the next. Paul wrote in Hebrews 8:8, “For finding fault with THEM…” that is, the people, not His commandments, for His Word is perfect already, then the Master would make a renewed covenant, referring back to Jeremiah 31:31-34 in verses 8-12 and in 10:16-17. The Master is writing on our hearts the same commandments that He gave our fathers through Moses, changing US, not His commandments, statutes, and judgments.

            We are all of us flawed and won’t see it clearly yet, but 1Corinthians 13:12 and 1John 3:1-3 will be fulfilled in us, if we keep walking toward the light and believing on HIM, our Master Yahushua, who is the living Torah, the Word in Person, per John 1:1-18, by whom we may become sons of the living Elohim, in the Name of our Master Yahushua, omein.

          • ADRoberts

            His word IS prefect. OUr understanding is not. And you can assert all you want about what God is writing on a heart. I can assure you that it iosis not the same for any two people.
            I am aware that you are on the path to service. But you still have yet to see that God’s plans are for PENTECOST to be a reality to everyone. For one thing, you can’t obey John 14:12 without the power of the Holy Spirit. And you can’t obey what Paul said in Romans, “. What? Shall we continue to sin……God forbid.” And for that to happen, a person must be SANCTIFIED and experience HOLINESS.
            Look it up. These are new concepts to you obviously. But they are NOT optional. “Without holiness, no man shall see God.”

          • ShemSilber

            I have looked it up. First the Master saves us, when we answer His call to trust Him to forgive our sins and give us eternal life. Then, we begin applying the Torah to our lives, beginning with the two main commandments, as in Matthew 22:35-40, which are (1) whole-being love to Yahuwah our Elohim and (2) love to neighbor as to self. Without those two foundational principles, all Torah observance is vain.

            According to Matthew 5:17-20, the better we learn and teach Torah observance, the greater we will be in His Kingdom. We all have a long, long way to go to be as Torah-observant as the Master or any of His apostles were, including Paul.

            Through the Spirit of Yahuwah working in us to teach us Torah observance, we have holiness, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein!

          • ADRoberts

            Sorry. It is not the Torah or any rules or regulation that brings us into God’s presence. It is when we die to self and become alive to Him. And then our hearts are His and we do what HE TELLS us.
            RELATIONSHIP —–NOT RULES.

          • ShemSilber

            Yes, the main thing is relationship, but the Torah is not just a set of rules, it is the Master Yahushua’s loving instruction to us that He came in His own flesh, in human form, to make more fully understood, as He says in Matthew 5:17-20. When He said “fulfill,” He didn’t mean do away with, or He would have been contradicting the first part of what He said, “Think NOT that I am come to destroy the Torah or the Prophets…” I know how they taught me in the “Bible” college, and praise Yahuwah that He has taught me otherwise since then. Blessed be Yahuwah, blessed be His Son our Redeemer, and blessed be His Torah-observant Kingdom for all the endless ages of the ages, omein!

          • ADRoberts

            You obviously will continue to focus on the Torah, though God has obviously moved beyond it. Not voiding it but relegating it to the basis of the eventual plan.
            You want relationship? You want to obey John 14:12. You will have to be sanctified and die to self.
            Focusing on the Torah as much as you do is very much like those who look to WORKS to provide salvation. The works are only a sign of the relationship. And the Torah is nothing but the foundation of the higher relationship that God desires.

          • ShemSilber

            Brother AD, Nobody was EVER “saved by works,” but from Adam on down, whoever was saved was saved by grace through the faith of the Master Yahushua, Yahuwah’s Firstborn from eternity to eternity. And why should one ignore the commandments of the Master Yahushua,who is the Living Torah, the Word who came in His flesh from the heavens, who personally gave those instructions to Moses? Salvation comes through the Master washing our sins away by the blood of His atonement for us, and He assures us of everlasting life by His resurrection from the dead.

            I plead “Not guilty!” to believing in salvation by works, but, if we are saved, then we will be doing great works, and that is quite in accordance with the Master’s pronunciation in John 14:12. Ephesians 2:8-10 says the same thing, that we are saved not BY good works, but we are saved FOR good works, to DO them. Then we will not be among those of whom He speaks in Luke 6:46, calling Him “Master, Master,” and not doing what He says.

            He says, per Matthew 22:35-40, to build our Torah-keeping on the two main commandments, which are (1) to love Yahuwah our Elohim with all our hears, mind, and being, and (2) to love neighbors as ourselves. Then He will add to our repertoire all the rest of the Torah that He gives us upon that foundation. Salvation is absolutely FREE, because He paid for it, but discipleship involves WORK, in the Name of the Master Yahushua our High Priest, our Messiah, and our elder Brother, omein.

          • ADRoberts

            No works don’t save. But “FAITH” without works is DEAD.
            Now let’s get to the nitty-gritty. Why did Jesus say so many times that He must go to heaven or He could not send the Conforter? It would seem that it was very important to Him. So what does it mean to you. To me, it is the mechanism that allows us to become PERFECT by the cleansing of our hearts of the sin nature. That is what happened at Pentecost, along with the POWER that comes with the Holy Spirit.

          • ShemSilber

            Right on. Works do not save us, but they are evidence that we are saved and that we do have the faith of the Master Yahushua.

            Four times in John 14, 15, and 16, the Master mentions that He has to go up to our Father, and from there He will send the Comforter. I’m not understanding why He had to go in order to send the Spirit, but I accept it.

            Then, 10 days after His return to the Father, the 120 were in the Temple, for Pentecost is an annual Sabbath and they were in the Temple to celebrate it. Pentecost is Greek for “50th,” since it was arrived at by counting 50
            days, beginning with the Firstfruits of the barley harvest, when the
            High Priest waved the omer of barley before Yahuwah. It is the “Feast of
            Weeks,” and they were in the Temple to observe it. That is where they had to be to receive the outpouring of the Spirit, and that is where they baptized 3,000 people on that day. This was a day of the renewal of the covenant, not the starting of a body separate from Israel, but another step in the restoration of Israel.

            Another very important step will be bringing hundreds of millions of children of Israel back to the Promised Land, for we are scattered all over the globe. This will be both Jewish and non-Jewish Israel, and whoever will convert to Israel through the Master. This will be the Second Exodus, mentioned in Jeremiah 16:14-15. We will be going home, after almost 3,000 years in the Exile.

            The Hebrew word “ruach” means spirit, wind, or breath. It is Yahuwah’s breath that He breathes into us to give us life. Our Father is the head, His Son is (and always has been from the beginning) the intermediary between our Father and us, and the Spirit is the means by which He infuses us with His knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. They are, in Hebrew, “echad,” which is a unified plural, and not a trinity, as we were taught in the churches.

            Be encouraged in 1Corinthians 13:12 and 1John 3:1-3, for then we shall have the complete understanding that we don’t have now, in the Name of our Master Yahushua, omein.

          • ADRoberts

            You have it all.
            Except, apparently the Holy Spirit in your life.

        • Jon Ockunzzi

          ADRoberts, you are sure a great Biblical Scholar. Now prove Obama IS a Christian. Or at least prove he is more Christian than Trump. Next, go to work on Hillary. Is “thou shalt not tell a lie” in the Bible?

          • ADRoberts

            Are you kidding? “…..more Christian”. Either you are or you are not. And according to the book of Revelation, a great many in not most of those who claim to be Christians have NO relationship with God at all.
            Check out the Church of Laodicea. That is the last church mentioned and will be symbolic of the LAST days period.
            I only have my personal opinion. And from that, I am confident that Sanders and Clinton would not be caught dead claiming to be Christians. Trump tried hard to say the things he thought we wanted to hear. But he is so ignorant of what it is to be a Christian that it is almost laughable. In his pride and arrogance he declared that he has never asked God for forgiveness for anything. That shows where his pride exceeded his ability to say what he thought we wanted to hear.

            So who is left? Cruz. And although I can’t be certain of ANYONE’S faith, it appears that he is more likely to be the real thing.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I deeply apologize for my misuse of the word “more”. I INTENDED a less literal interpretation. As for Cruz, the framers of the Constitution INTENDED for a “natural born” citizen to have a FATHER who was an American citizen, which disqualifies Obama, Rubio, and Cruz, even though Cruz may appear “more Christian” than Trump.

          • ADRoberts

            No, their INTENT was to find conditions to impose that would increase the likelihood that the President would be true to America.
            It seems that they failed. Now we have a president who is absolutely a traitor and a tyrant and guess who vetted him.”?
            So we have a man whose record is of patriotism, he has kept his promise when he ran for Senate from Texas and that made the RINOs in the Senate very mad because they are not used to people who will not compromise.
            And so instead of realizing that Cruz is a man of integrity, you and the rest of his detractors seem to focus on the technicality which was broken by Obama already.
            GET OVER IT.
            And then back Cruz as the best man.
            Just read his latest output. Cruz was talking about what needs to be done. And his tax plans make a lot of sense. Now fact. The more people listen to Cruz, the more they like him. The more people, especially women, listen to Trump, the less they like him.

            Most interesting that Trump’s FAVORITE verse is the very verse that Jesus said was NO LONGER VALID.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Your words, “No, their INTENT was to find conditions to impose that would increase the likelihood that the President would be true to America.” Why do you make up this stuff? That was NOT their intent. They made it clear that the FATHER must be an American born citizen. Obama clearly failed the test as do Rubio and Cruz. Look it up. I found about 18 pages of information backing me up. Yes, Cruz would possibly be a good President, if he was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, instead of another FAKE citizen like Obama. Trump said his favorite Bible verse is “an eye for an eye”. The whole point of the article is that Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount that verse no longer applies. But if we look at it “literally” it is still in the Bible. Yep, looked it up myself, I did. Exodus 21:24. So it is still a Bible verse. God said, “eye for eye” and Jesus said, “not any more” and Jesus is God. Sounds like Jesus changes his mind more than Trump. By the way, I LOVE Cruz’s tax plan. Eliminate the Internal Revenue Service. Obama, Cruz, and Rubio are NOT ELIGIBLE to be President. PERIOD. GET OVER IT. And quit making up crap to suit your agenda.

          • ADRoberts

            ANd your proof that it was not their intent? Of course, that would be the top of your head. Then you go back to repeat your claim as THAT was the totality of what they wanted. Say, do you have any idea WHY they would have specified “Natural born” Evidently not.
            Now your must be a foreigner or at least someone who is not a REAL patriotic American with that last name. Don’t really care.
            And then you admitted the very thing that I have been saying. So, since NOTIHING the Founding Fathers did was without purpose and since you can’t seem to find what it was, I WILL TELL YOU. It was a TOOL to increase the chances that a President would be loyal to America. And since you refuse to admit that, I challenge you to give YOUR reason. LOL
            And then you betray yourself. You found 18 PAGES of stuff to back YOUR position. And how many pages did you find that was against your position that you ignored. GOTCHA.
            -Then you worked sooooo hard to prove that God changes His mind. NOT. This was the plan from the beginning. As proof, I give you the story of Abraham offering Isaac as requested by God. And at the end, God steps in and says, “I will provide the sacrifice.” Now I know that you don’t know much about the Bible. But up to that point, the OFFERING was always provided by the person. God had planned to change the system of the sacrifice of the perfect lamb EVEN BEFORE HE SET UP THAT SYSTEM.
            And along with that, he also planned to change the entire requirement on man so that instead of rules and punishment, it would change to RELATIONSHIP and such a change of heart that a person would be able to FORGIVE and thereby, nullify the “eye for an eye”.
            Let me guess. You still don’t get it BECAUSE you want to support Trump who also does not get it.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I don’t care that you don’t care but that is not my historical last name. My great-grandfather came over on the boat, as he would say, from Italy and worked for the railroads. His bosses “Americanized” his name so they could pronounce it and the new name stuck when he was naturalized. You also have a foreign name. Unless your name is Sitting Bull, you are a foreigner. One more thing, I did search for anything that would counter my position that Obama, Cruz, and Rubio are not natural born and I found nothing. If you can tell me where to look without making up more crap, I will check it out.

          • ADRoberts

            Roberts is Welsh. But my great grandmother on one side was Choctaw. ANd a great-great- grandmother on another branch was Chrerokee.
            Guess you failed again.
            Now the decision has been made by a Federal Judge. And he said that UNLESS the SCOTUS decides to rule, it is what it is. And Cruz is eligible.
            None of that made any difference to me.
            I have contended all along that the intent of the Founding Fathers was to increase the loyalty of those who would be president.
            And right now, no one comes close to the record that Cruz has. Certainly not Trump, the foul mouthed, philandering, liberal supporting, PP supporting liberal who claims to be a BRAND NEW CONSERVATIVE on all issues.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I have an uncle (I don’t know how many greats) on my mother’s side who was an Iroquois or an Iroquois speaking Mingo (I’m an Ohio boy) who fought in the French and Indian War. He fought for the French so I guess you are right. You are the winner! Yay you!

          • ADRoberts

            So you looked it up . And you still don’t get that God had always planned for a change of directions. Most of those who call themselves Christians have no idea what the Holy Spirit is or does. And they certainly will NOT go so far as to give TOTAL control of their lives to Him and actually become His servant.
            Everyone knows that God is supposed to serve them and make them healthy and wealthy and powerful.
            And not a one of them even want what God desires to offer. They sure don’t want to be told about it.

          • jnora

            Please do not engage AD Roberts. It appears he may be either a sham or one of those paid disrupters on this site. He hurts people, like me, over various serious things and he is so very wrong on religion and politics. He does not deserve to be responded to in anyway. Read on and you’ll see exactly what I mean. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and even stood up for him at one time and all he did was hurt me so badly that it will take me weeks and weeks to recover. He, more or less, blamed me for the tragedies in my family and thinly veiled that I was responsible for the suicide of my son. I was in no way responsible. He was married and I hadn’t even seen him in three years. He was mentally ill due to genetics from his father. BEWARE OF AD ROBERTS!!!!! This is said out of sincerity and concern for you.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            jnora – I sincerely appreciate your concern and I am devastated to hear of the loss of your son and ADRoberts efforts to deepen your pain. Rest assured I am not taken-in by his foolish comments. I have been patronizing and baiting him to find out if he was serious, an idiot, or a paid troll. I already told him in another post that I had grown weary of his comments and concluded he was being paid and I would no longer respond to him. Thank you again and please accept my condolences. I should be the least of your worries. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

          • jnora

            You sound like a kind man. I hope no one will correspond with him. Life is too short to be hurting people like that. Thank you. Please Spread the word in any discussion where you see he is in so he will have no fun making senseless comments and hurting people. That is the way to handle people like him. Thank you for your kind thoughts.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I will spread the word. I am not overly religious, but I really don’t like the way he throws Jesus and the Bible at people like darts. Take care and be happy.

          • jnora

            I am very religious, but I do not wear on my sleeve. I figure if you have to tell people you’re a Christian to that extent, then you are showing them you are not a Christian. People should be able to tell you are a Christian by your actions. By the way, my son that killed himself had your first name spelled the same way, Jon.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            When I was a kid I didn’t know anyone who spelled it “Jon”. People would ask me if it was short for Jonathon. A couple of people still call me Jonathon. Now it seems every time I turn around I find another “Jon”. My mom must have started a trend. I believe God is within me, always with me, a part of me, not some abstract being in some church. Mom taught us to live by the Golden Rule, so I just can’t do anything God wouldn’t do. I’m proud to share a name with your son.

          • jnora

            His was not short for Jonathan either and Jon was his first name. However, he went by his middle name which was Brian. Of course, every teacher called him Jon. I bet you had to correct the spelling in lots of things, didn’t you? Well, Jon, I am proud for my son to have shared a name with you. You have brightened my day!

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I tell people, “There’s no ‘h’ in Jon. Saves me a lot of time when I sign things.” Keep smiling.

          • jnora

            My parents always taught me to beware of piety. It disgusts me. A.D. Discusts me! I have never seen anyone hold themselves up on such a high pedestal and look down on others like he does… I mean everyone! Someone needs to knock him off that pedestal and I feel it will be God eventually.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            I agree. He will get his due one day. Almost makes me want to feel sorry for the guy. Nawww, not today.

          • jnora

            Let his psychiatrist feel sorry for him and not you… LOL.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            He needs to call Dr. Phil.

          • jnora

            He doesn’t need that much of a platform to spew his crazy mumblings. They need to put him with Nurse Wratchet in Who Flew Over the Kukoo’s Nest (probably spelled that incorrectly). AD doesn’t realize that people quit listening to you when you do as he does. You are probably too young to remember that movie or Nurse Wratchet.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Are you kidding. I’m much older than you think. I’ve seen the movie. It’s hilarious. Much too sane for AD.

          • jnora

            I crave even a bit of peace so much you cannot imagine. But I will get it eventually I know. Thank you again for your kindness.

          • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

            You are right. He is a pompous troublemaker with the goal of “gotcha” just to show how smart he is, and truth be known, he may be an atheist. I have heard it said that the devil could quote more scripture than any preacher. The kindest thing to be said of him is that he is obnoxious. Sorry about the tragedy with your son. It is extremely doubtful that you had anything to do with the outcome. Some things happen over which we have no control and that was one of them.

          • jnora

            Actually, he inherited his father’s mental illness. His father was a diagnosed sociopath, now called antisocial personality. His alcoholism and the way he acted, which was not wonderful, or symptoms of that disease… That insidious disease. He treated me, too, terribly and went for years without speaking to me. Luckily, his last words to me were at his father’s funeral. He hadn’t been speaking to me for the two years prior and never spoke to me again after this. He hugged me and said I love you. I do have that hold on to and that is of some comfort to me.However, my huge maternal love stayed intact and even now keeps growing. In spite of all he’s done, I love him more now than the day he was born. No one else on the face of the earth can say that except me. His father died the same year he did, only before him. As sick as he was, he would have been crushed. I did the best I could with a mentally ill husband and two mentally ill kids. I only have/had the two sons. My other son did not speak to me at the funeral, nor does he sit with me. My daughter-in-law told me she would never let me see my grandkids again and they are local. I have done nothing but love them and her and still do. I suppose she just hated my son so much that she wants all of his family out of her life. The worst thing to you can do to a grandmother is to take her grandkids away from her when she has to nothing. My daughter-in-law is spreading around town that I am a child abuser, saying I split his head open when he was three years old. I have a letter from my attorney when we divorced who is now a judge saying if they were even a hint of abuse that he would’ve gotten custody of those kids and we went back to court many times over the years and it was never mentioned. He just told my son that in his sickness. I also have a letter from our next-door neighbor saying she never saw anything but a loving mother. In addition I have the autopsy report. The hardest thing of ever had to do is read my sons autopsy report. I can just laying there all that steel table with a big Y in addition I have the autopsy report. The hardest thing of ever had to do is read by sons autopsy report. I can just laying there all that steel table where that big Y in his chest. It states no scars on his head whatsoever. Yet, she continues to spread it all over town. I cannot fight that. So God knows the truth and that is what is important.

          • jnora

            I am so wordy and I am sorry. I just can’t seem to help it.

          • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

            It’s nice to be clairvoyant.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Who’s the clairvoyant? Me? ADRoberts? Or you with your unpronounceable name?

          • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

            Evidently it is not you or you would know.

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Evidently?! Evidently!? Of course it is not me. I just thought you thought it was me. But … I don’t hear voices in my head … and if it was me … I could pronounce your name.

          • jnora

            Jon, Have you noticed that AD has all but disappeared in this discussion? Later on I mean. If he is in any further discussions I join, I will spread the word there also. That way we can have a nice discussion without him marring it with his venom. Looks like we won over evil this time, doesn’t it?

          • Jon Ockunzzi

            Yep, I think we outed him for now.

        • believe

          Better than kissing obama’s ass.

          • ADRoberts

            Not. Just different form of poison. Face it. The MAIN problem we face is the deficit. And none of the people in congress seem to care a bit. Every other problem could be solved except that one and we would still be destroyed.
            Now consider. With all the STUFF that Trump claims he will, how many of them will cost MORE money? How many of them are NOT EVEN possible under the power of a POTUS?
            And when will we be able to so terrify McConnell, Cornyn, Snow and the other puppets of the Bilderbergs so that they run from office like Boehner did OR are carried out of office on a rail.

            Folks, in God does not intervene, the ONLY chance is a real REVOLUTION. And the problem with even that is the elite KNOW what we are capable of and have prepared for it.

          • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

            “The MAIN problem is the deficit.” Your quote.
            Is the deficit worse than people shacking up, having kids out of wedlock, aborting babies because of “inconvenience”, lying about any and everything, objecting to even having God mentioned in a public building, and thinking stealing is ok as long as you don’t get caught, and not teaching kids what is right and wrong? When those things are fixed, the deficit will take care of itself.

          • ADRoberts

            Rephrase. From a human point of view, the main problem is the deficit.
            The real problem is when we rejected God and God is now bringing judgement. And it comes in all forms of pain and discipline.
            And that means that your last statement is wrong. WHY? Because all of those things are physical manifestations of our spiritual problems
            I repeat. The answer is II Chronicles 7:14.
            Oh, and the particular people who are mainly responsible for this judgement? According to that same verse, it is the very people who go to church every Sunday, and are so confident that God is on their side when the truly are members of the Church of Laodicea. Repulsive to God. And THOSE are the ones who are responsible for judgement.

          • jnora

            Please stay away from any correspondence with AD Roberts. He is probably paid to cause trouble on here, when, in fact, he is probably an old coot sitting in his underwear, being anonymous, and laughing his way through ignorance and hurting peoples’ feelings, like blaming me for my son’s suicide, in essence. I ask you to walk away from him in any discussion. Thank you. Besides, his spelling is atrocious!

          • jnora

            Please do not enter into a correspondence with AD Roberts. He talks nonsense and is probably paid to upset people as he did me. Take his phone away don’t let him dump on you. He is nothing but trouble and uneducated trouble at that. Most will have nothing to do with him, anyway. He, in no way, acts Christlike. He deserves to remain an outcast.

      • louann

        Agree

      • jnora

        Indeed he is. Most if not all of us have quit posting AD Roberts for that very reason, or perhaps he is even being paid to disrupt intelligent conversations.

    • louann

      Watch black pastor speech on video for trump. This is truth.

      • ADRoberts

        No. I follow Jesus and the direction HE gives me. Not a black or white pastor. You can follow him if you want. Just like 500 followed Jim Jones.

    • ShemSilber

      Not a single one of those candidates in the whole batch can repair the damages that the last several administrations (and some previous to them) have done to the integrity of this country. Most of them want to do more damage yet by their cooperation with the established chaos. Trump can’t fix the problems, either, except maybe he can put the brakes on some of them, but he seems to me to be the least phony, but still only human.

      It will take the second coming of the Master Yahushua to take care of ALL the problems, for, at the scheduled time (which we don’t know), He will come to set up His throne in Jerusalem, ISRAEL, from where He will generate peace on earth by wiping all evils off the face of His creation and replacing it with Torah observance in the hearts of all His citizen-subjects, per Jeremiah 31:31-34.

      HalleluYAH!

      • ADRoberts

        Trump is the ultimate deceiver. Just 4 years ago, he was the ultimate liberal in all things. And now, he is suddenly claiming to be the ultimate conservative in all things. Problem is his words still don’t match his deeds. He is lying.
        I concluded many years ago that the sequence of events are not certain. And when any event occurs with respect to the other prophesied events is ALSO not certain. As to ME, what difference does it make. Either I serve God at all times or I don’t. And those who search so hard to find the events and watch them are only doing so in an effort that make sure that they leave their wicked ways just before their end. That is wickedness.
        You want a verse that has NO time table. II Chronicles 7:14. It still applies today as can be seen in the events of Hezekiah’s life. God WILL have the prophesy fulfilled. But there is NO certain time. It is dependent on US as to whether we serve Him or not.

        • ShemSilber

          Trump is human and can change, as are all the other candidtates, but he has been more honest about his faults than the others. All the candidates are just faulty humans, and I wouldn’t depend on them even to be a street sweeper let alone president, but Trump still has my vote nonetheless.

          The only real hope we have is the Master Yahushua our Messiah to guide us through these Dark Ages and into His marvelous LIGHT, into everlasting life in peace and productivity in His Father’s Kingdom, omein!

          • ADRoberts

            Yes, he could change. But you recall what the Bible says about a rich man entering heaven. Well, it is also true of highly intelligent people who simply cannot trust anyone but their own intelligence.
            Now here is what is amazing. You obviously have observed all the wickedness of Trump. You have seen the attacks on everyone. You have observed that just FOUR YEARS ago, he was the most radical of liberals and now claims to be a radical conservative. You have observed him claim to be PROLIFE and yet continues to give to PP, which is the biggest aborter in the nation AND aborition is the place where MOST OF THEIR MONEY CAMES AND GOES.
            You just saw him fall on his face, trying to say what he thought conservatives wanted to hear about who should be punished if abortion were illegal. You saw that he was totally ignorant of the Colorado caucus and yet, having, in his arrogance to do the work and research and organize, he assumed that ALL he had to do was just show up and he would win. And when he found out that he had FAILED miserably, he cries and whines about how unfair it was.
            And you think that this incapable, foul mouthed, philandering rich, Yankee would make a good president? Sorry. Chances are very small.
            And by the way. He claims that he will get jobs for American workers.
            1. Then he claims that some fields DO need immigrants as we don’have workers with the skills. See, he ignores the definite possibility of training our people because in truth, he WANTS immigrants. Even when we have 93 million who are out of work
            2. He has companies in Mexico and China. And if he were SERIOUS about really providing jobs, he would be in the process of moving those companies back to America. HE IS NOT. And that means that he IS deceiving is lying.

          • ShemSilber

            It appears to me from your posts that you really care about how this country is going. As I do, you have disdain for Planned NON-Parenthood for the holocaust they are working against our children. They will have their comeuppance, and I pray for their tribe to decrease and disappear.

            Those babies will be witnesses for the prosecution for all who have refused to turn to the Master Yahushua in wholehearted repentance and repudiation of their capital punishment rendered against these innocents. Some have done so and worked against the murderers, and may their numbers increase and blow them away!

            All of which is why I put no trust in ANY of the candidates for president. They all have their massive faults. My trust is in the Master Yahushua, the Son of Yahuwah Almighty to guide me through these darkest of the Dark Ages and into His Kingdom, and I think that the demoniac-rats and the RINO’s that want to “dump Trump” are all bloody hypocrites. They prove that “honest politician” is a great oxymoron.

            But who is the real king-maker? No matter how people vote, Daniel 4:17 and 25 tell us that the Most High sets up in rulership and takes down whom He will. I will vote Trump, and if He wants to override my vote, that’s fine with me. His ways and His thoughts are beyond us, and He knows how to work it all out to the benefit of all concerned.

          • ADRoberts

            What a shame. Yes it is true that God is in control But at times such as happened to Israel, he allows disaster to come to a nation because of their wickedness and their rejection of HIM.
            Are any of them any good? Probably not. But I have made my evaluation and from what I see, Cruz is the best, far and away.
            Trump shows every day his deception, his foul mouth, his lack of knowledge of the very Christianity he claims.
            He is arrogant. He is a cut throat in his business dealings and he has had plenty of chances to do things like make American jobs, simply by bringing back his companies from overseas. He does not. HE WILL NOT And that is because he is just SAYING things that he thinks we want to hear.
            And by the way. Two points
            1. God wants EVERYONE to be saved.
            2. God does not control a single life as far as forcing them to choose Him.
            And from that, I have concluded that wicked men can take charge of a nation when it is NOT God’s will that they have any authority. He allows it.

          • ShemSilber

            As you say, “…I have concluded that wicked men can take charge of a nation when it is
            NOT God’s will that they have any authority. He allows it.” Daniel the prophet backs you up on that, per Daniel 4:17 and 25, which tell us that the Most High sets up whom He will over the nations, “even the basest of men,” of which I believe that Pharaoh Barry is a good example, as the most base character to occupy that office so far, for he strives to be totally UNrighteous and UN-American.

            May we both keep our eyes on the Master Yahushua, asking Him to keep honing us into His image and likeness, according to His own statement in Genesis 1: “Let US make man in OUR image and OUR likeness,” for that is where we shall be when He is done, per 1John 3:1-3, omein.

          • ADRoberts

            “Be ye holy” I Peter 1:16. Leviticus 20:26.
            And we can be IF we are sanctified.

          • ShemSilber

            Absolutely. Getting into definitions, “sanctified” means “set apart (for the Master’s purpose),” and “holy” has the same meaning. They are synonyms.

            The Master has set us apart in our particular positions for His purpose, therefore we are sanctified and holy, is it not so? May we therefore take heed of 1Corinthians 15:58 and realize that whatever work we do according to His will never be in vain, in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

          • ADRoberts

            Try looking at it from the point of view of a theology to add to the Salvation brought by accepting Jesus Christ as our sacrifice for sin.
            It is more now that the Holy Spirit has come in that the terms are now possible WHEN we make him OUR LORD indeed.
            It is PENTECOST for everyone. And yes, it is still for ALL who believe.

          • ShemSilber

            Yes, it is for all who believe, and according to the Word, the Master, Yahushua per Matthew 5:17-20, those who do and teach the instructions of the Torah and the Prophets will be the great in the Kingdom, and those who don’t will be the least. I know where that leaves me, somewhere way down the line, but Yahuwah forbid that I should be among those to whom the Master says, “Depart from Me, all you who work iniquity,” which means disobedience to Torah, per 1John 3:4. In the Name of the Master Yahushua, our example of how to keep the Torah (1Peter 2:18-25), omein.

          • ADRoberts

            He “forbids” Sorry, it is not there in the Bible. And it is not in any words I have ever heard. So where did you get that?
            And then you have problems like what to do with the verses on “eye for an eye”. I guess you want to fulfill them too. Even though Jesus refuted them.
            Yes, you are proficient at defending your claim that the Torah is supreme. But just how many verses do you ignore or claim are not valid.
            Like Romans 2:14-16. What are you going to do with that? And what do you do with the words that say that if a man knows that he is to good and he does not do it, it is sin?
            That is the heart of HEART HOLINESS, which comes when a person gives himself totally to God and is SANCTIFIED. It is like the NAZARITE vow but for eternity.
            And it is not only[ possible but required. “Without holiness, no man shall see God.”

          • ShemSilber

            Shalom, Brother AD!

            “Yahuwah forbid” (not “forbids”) is a request that something that is possible not come to pass. The answer is up to Him.

            IF the Master Yahushua refuted anything of what He said, per 1Corinthians 10:4 and Hebrews 11:24-26 in the Torah, then He does indeed change, which He says He doesn’t do, per Malachi 3:6 and Hebrews 13:8. So do I believe Him or you? Rather than refute, He raised our level of understanding, He clarified it for us.

            The Living Torah, who is the Master Yahushua, is the Supreme One, and since He gave us the written Torah, we should pay attention to it. I don’t have to defend that position, the Master Himself says so in Matthew 5:17-20.

            What Romans 2:14-16 says is that some people without knowledge of the Torah do things that are in agreement with Torah, Good for them, for they already HAVE some understanding and will more easily assimilate with Torah when they are led into it, omein.

            And to one who knows to do good, that is, to obey the principles that the Master Yahushua gave us in the Torah, and still rebels against it, knowing that it is sin to rebel, he’s putting himself in a pickle, isn’t he?

            Holiness and sanctification (both are the same thing) come by paying heed to Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4, that is, realizing that man does not live by bread alone, but by everything that comes out of Yahuwah’s mouth, and the Torah came out of His very mouth, not so? In the Name of the Master Yahushua, you have seen it with your eyes, if not your heart.

            May the shalom of our Master Yahushua lead you into His light, omein..

          • ADRoberts

            I have nothing left for you. I leave you to God.

          • ShemSilber

            Allstate, eat your heart out. I’m in good hands with Yahuwah of Armies, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • ADRoberts

            I hope you are right. But the fact remains. The focus of the entire Bible is on Jesus and the primary provision of his PERFECT sacrifice was to provide a way for people to become PERFECT in their hearts and desires. If He did not provide such, then his sacrifice would be no different than the Old Testament sacrifice of the perfect lamb that did not make people stop sinning.
            It is no longer about the Torah. And Jesus is NOT the Torah incarnate. The Torah was just God’s first attempt to lead His people. And yes, they rejected Him so he rejected them for 2000 years.
            I guess that will insult and make you angry. So be it. Unless you are born of the SPIRIT, you are not born unto eternal life.
            God have mercy on you.

          • ShemSilber

            No, I am no way offended or angry, because I understand where you are coming from, having been there for roughly 65 years already, before the Master invited me out of the churches and into His truth. I was saved already in the church for over 60 years, but now the Master is, by the Spirit, furthering my education. By His mercy and not by my own efforts, I am among those who are born of the Ruach (Spirit, “Breath”) of Yahuwah.

            Read John 1:1-18 and ask the Ruach to guide you through it, and may you come to realize that the Master is indeed the Word, the Torah, in human form, in His flesh, by whom we may become the sons and daughters of Yahuwah our Father, of whom He is from eternity the Firstborn Son of many–even billions or more–sons and daughters of our Father (Romans 8:29).

            The Master Yahushua does not “attempt” or “experiment,” as I’ve heard in the churches ever since I was knee-high to a grasshopper, but He does things right the first time. When our Father sends Him to do something, such as form this universe and create man in His own image, He does it right. It’s the creation, by the free will that He places in it, that makes the mistakes by making wrong choices, just as the Azazel, Heilel, the devil, Allah, whatever names he goes by, rebelled against his Creator and made a complete wicked fool of himself. He was made right in the first place, but he threw a monkey wrench into his own works by rebelling, if we can even imagine that, but he did it.

            As far as hating our Master Yahushua, isn’t that what mankind has done all through the millennia that he has existed? As the Master told His disciples, if they believe Him, they’ll believe His messengers, and if they hate Him, they’ll hate His messengers who bring His word. It was so from the beginning, and will be to the end, nu?

            Yahuwah has indeed had mercy on me, or I would be still stuck in church doctrine instead of learning His truth, in the Name of our Master Yahushua, omein.

    • David Emmert

      Obama says he’s a Christian but I guess you have no trouble believing that. I say he’s a “closet muslim” He attended a church that preached hate for 20 yrs until he ran for pres and was convinced he had to stop going there for the sake of his fake reputation. All the men in his life that had the greatest influence on him, his father, mentors and teachers were all communist, marxist, socialist…search Hillary, Obama and Saul Alinsky. Capturing the minds of today’s youth has obviously worked with so many now supporting socialism.

      • ADRoberts

        “…. I guess you have no trouble believing that.” Where did you get that assumption. It was not said or implied. I have heard him talk about his “muslim” faith. And I do believe that muslims are DEAD serious when they say that those who LEAVE Islam are to be killed. So they are not killing him. And that says it all. He is in taqiyya and muruna.

        As to the youth of today, it is a combination of the radical liberals who have taken control of universities and now public education. And it is also that God is closing down the TIME OF THE GENTILE. And the sign of that being true is that the Jews are beginning to accept Messiah. At least those Jews who are not secular Jews, like Feinstein, Schumer, Emmanuel and Wasserman Schultz. They are probably going to be part of the ANTICHRIST.
        But the Jews accepting Messiah was one of the signs that the time of the Gentiles is over. And God will close their hearts and minds to his message and His love.

      • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

        Nailed him!

    • believe

      Obama is a phony he isn’t even in office by the people voting him in, BUT JUST A PUPPET FOR THE ILLUMINATI THAT OWNS HIS ROTTEN SOUL.AND THEY THREATENED HIM TO DO AS WE SAY OR ELSE. HE KNOWS WHAT THAT OR ELSE MEANS. why do you think he smokes nthis COCAINE PIPE SO MUCH . HE IS STRESSED OUT.
      So he offsets it by having so many different laizions with his men friends and smokes.
      YOU Think Michal or WHAT EVER NAME IT GOES BY , THE PERSON HE MARRIED FOR A FRONT. , using MICHELLE . THEY REALLY THINK WE DON’T KNOW WHAT TRASH THEY ARE.SHOWS MONEY DON”T BUY RESPECT OR DECENCY

      • ADRoberts

        “Turn your eyes upon Jesus. Look full in His wonderful Face. And the things of earth will grown strangely dim. In the light of his glory and grace.”

        There is no hope in this life. There never has been. And for those who look to any man without basing their life on Christ, their is nothing.
        Death is not the enemy UNLESS you are ONLY living as a human.

    • disqus_htVNWSBEmM

      You may be right, but is he any more of a phony than that piece of excrement in the White House now? Or Hillary? Obama has never done anything in his life except run his mouth and spew out lies endlessly. FYI, I did not vote for Trump.

      • ADRoberts

        Ahhh. The “comparison”. I have pointed out to many that the best way to deflect attention and blame is to COMPARE ourselves with others. For sure, at some point or many, we look good when compared to others.
        Trump may look good compared to Obama NOW. That does not mean that he will later IF he actually is a phony and is planning to go back to his liberal old self.
        It is pleasant that you did ot vote for Trump. But our problems remain. We are under judgement. And we have the ONE WORLD ORDER, aka Bilderbergs, aka antichrist yet to deal with. And God says that they WILL take control at the request of the entire world.

  • rockcut

    Trump opens mouth, puts foot into it. Are you surprised ? I sure am not.

    • donemyhomework

      Is or is not the Bible the word of God…does one phrase lead to a more comprehensive understanding of the whole context of the subject matter. It wasn’t Trump’s intent to give a sermon. You’re monocular and pedestrian remark indicates antipathy.

      • rockcut

        Good luck trying to justify Trump with the word of God. Trump speaks as a bully with fake emotional pie-in-the-sky nonsense.

        • donemyhomework

          I don’t have to justify anything.

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