The $600 billion reason Trump may have flip-flopped on deportation

by John W. Schoen | CNBC.com  |  published on August 27, 2016


For over a year, it’s been the centerpiece of his campaign.

But, in a stark midcourse correction on his immigration policy, Republican nominee Donald Trump this week backed away from a pledge to round up millions of undocumented immigrants and transport them outside the country.

In the end, the plan may have simply proved too costly — both politically and economically.

By one estimate the direct price tag for removing some 11 million undocumented workers could top $600 billion. And the economic impact of a such a sudden contraction in the U.S. labor force would lop $1.6 trillion from the nation’s economy. That’s roughly the gross domestic product of Texas.

From the day he announced his bid for the White House, Trump has made immigration a major focus of his campaign.

  • Original Anna

    The cheapest way to get rid of these citizens of other countries parked on our soil is to arrest and charge the employers breaking our laws as well as the employees and the employers will be required to fire the illegals. If obama can pay to keep foreign kids who should be returned to their families here, there is money to get rid of them. It’s called trains that are used by these people to get here. The money from the illegals employers will also help pay to send them home. Their kids who got an American education at my expense can use their education to improve their country and thus with a educated work force, these countries won’t have to send their people to us to take care of. I took care of my kids, it’s time these parents and their countries took care of their own kids. I need my money for myself to live on after losing my job to guess who.

  • ketrout

    No one said that he was going to do it overnight. It will take a while and if we start enforcing our current immigration laws now, I an sure there will be a lot of them self-deporting back to their own country. E-Verify is just one of the tools that would help if it is made to be mandatory to be able to work here.

  • conservgirl

    The only thing he changed was the fact that he probably knew that he couldn’t deport all those illegals in the country. Other than that I don’t see any flip flop. He still believes in no amnesty, building a wall, and those who are here illegally will have to leave and come back the legal way.

  • Webb

    Build the Wall where possible… $600 billion, so what, if that money is spent to protect our boarders and illegals Out…
    Spend It…At Least the structure of a wall can be seen as to where the money went…
    $20 Trillion in debt now…But where did the money go or build, NOTHING! !
    ☆☆☆

  • Quester59

    NO FLIP-FLOP AT ALL, simply a mild reality check & Correction., NONE OF US REALLY EXPECTED HIM TO BE ABLE TO PUT ALL OF HIS PLANS INTO ACTIONS, so why all the worry?
    IF he is able to get 50% done, that will still be 100 % more than the Zebra Emperor has accomplished!

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  • I Seigel

    Here is part of the text of Trump’s interview with Bill O’Reilly the other night:

    ““The first thing we’re gonna do, if and when I win, is we’re gonna get rid of all the bad ones. We have gang members, we have killers, we have a lot of bad people that have to get out of this country…they’re gonna be out of this country so fast your head will spin. We have existing laws that allow you to do that. As far as everybody else, we’re going to go through the process. What people don’t know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country. Bush, the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well, I’m going to do the same thing.”

    So Trump is admitting:
    1. Obama has deported lots of people. The same thing that Trump wants to do.

    2. Obama has used existing immigration laws to prioritize the worst offenders. In other words, Obama has been obeying and enforcing the immigration laws. The same thing that Trump wants to do, when he says, “The first thing we’re gonna do, if and when I win, is we’re gonna get rid of all the bad ones..As far as everybody else, we’re going to go through the process.”

    3. Because illegals are being sent back, and because the immigration laws ARE being enforced, we DON’T have “open borders”. Which is what Trump and Republicans have been claiming for years.

    4. He says he’s going to do “the same thing” that Bush and Obama have done to deport illegals.

    So, WTF??!!??

  • Walter Flatt

    TRUMP HAS NOT FLIP FLOPPED ON ANYTHING, ANY FOOL WOULD KNOW THAT IF THEY LISTENED TO HIM INSTEAD OF TWISTING HIS WORDS. COMMONSENSE SHOULD TELL YOU THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE IN STAGES, ALTHOUGH 95% COULD BE DEPORTED IN 3 MONTHS OR LESS. TRUMP IS USING THE HUMAINE WAY OF GETTING THIS MESS STRAIGHTENED OUT. AS STUPID AS I AM, I CAN CLOSE THE BORDER IN 3 MONTHS, AND GET RID OF ALL ILLEGALS IN ONE YEAR AND IT WOULD BE SIMPLE.
    THERE IS A LAW ON THE BOOKS OKED IN 52 BY THE HOUSE AND SENATE, SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT BARRING ALL MUSLIMS FROM THIS COUNTRY. SO THEY HAVE NO RIGHT AND IF THE DO NOT CONFORM TO OUR LAWS SHOULD BE DEPORTED IMMEDIATELY.

    • robert sanders

      agree

  • rockcut

    Trying now to make up reasons why Trump is a big flip flopper and nothing more that a big mouth !!!

  • noBS

    SUPPOSE if Trump is elected, instead of that massive deportation effort which would cost $600 Billion, he gets Congress to approve a bill that denies all aid to illegals and actively pursues businesses who hire them. Then, having no means of support in the US, most if not all the illegals would SELF deport.
    Yes, farmers might have to pay a bit more to harvest lettuce, and the roofers and landscape businesses a bit more for labor. But isn’t that exactly what the Liberals claim that they want — higher wages? Maybe those higher wages would attract people currently on the welfare rolls. And without the drain on the economy and on the healthcare system from non-tax-paying illegals — and maybe even on our prison system — our tax dollars could be put to better use, such as restoring the parts of our infrastructure that need repair. Gee — and that would actually create a few more jobs. 🙂

  • NM Leon

    The cost of deporting the criminal illegals, the “bad ones” is irrelevant. It has to be done.

    Deportation of the working illegals “the good ones” would cost absolutely nothing. Simply make E-Verify mandatory for ALL employees nationwide with onerous penalties for any employer not in compliance. They will then, as Romney said, self deport.

    I agree with Trump that we should allow some of them back in as guest workers, and that detail would also be be self solving with a little intelligence. Let everyone know that E-Verify compliance will be mandatory in say 2 years and that if they meet certain requirements current illegals will be given preference for guest worker visas during that time if applied for outside the US (maybe let their embassies and consulates qualify for legal purposes).

    Let them decide if they wish to remain or not, but make it clear that if they qualify and choose to work here, neither they nor their foreign family members would qualify for any public assistance.

    “Difficult problem” made easy!

  • Thomas Martin

    Stop making the law breaking illegals out to be victims, we’re the victims as we have to paid for these law breakers who has no respect for our laws or our citizens. They need to be deported because they broke the law and if they choose to return it will be with proper documents and wait like all the others who want to come here. hillary rodham clinton should be put in prison for her crimes and show that the law is enforced on our citizens who break our laws too.

    • robert sanders

      agreed

  • Taking care of business!

    Bull! With these illegals willing to work for $5/hr., stealing jobs from Americans, it’s worth that suggested in the ONE estimate. And whose estimate is that–the DEMONrats? Seems with your bogus poll numbers and this story, you’re not living up to your name, “1776 Coalition.” It’s more the “1984 Coalition.”

  • Pete

    So far no one has come up with why our present day laws have not been aggressively enforced. I believe a good part of it is the court system itself.
    If you go and witness court proceeding in nearly any court on our nation it will be an eye opener. Watch closely and you will see that the bulk of the cases will be granted delay after delay.
    It goes something like this:
    Judge: “Council, are you prepared to proceed?”
    Lawyer; “Your Honor in light of recent circumstances, I request an X week delay to fully evaluate the information.”
    Judge; “extension granted”.
    The legal profession generally gets paid by the time they expend on a case, the more time the more payment. Delays are good for the lawyers bottom line
    so cleaning up and streamlining the court system isn’t a priority.
    Appointment of no nonsense federal judges with a staunch conservative record would go a long way to clear away existing court backlogs.

    • granvillea

      The laws are not enforced as written because Obama has had the various departments write administrative rules to allow them to ignore the laws as written under the name of such things as prosecutorial discretion. Many of these administrative rules have been challenged in court and most have lost but Obama and his UnJustice Department ignore the courts and continue to use their rules despite the clear laws to the contrary. This is what you get when you elect an ideologue and a communist President. No laws apply to them.

  • bookworm

    Close all loopholes so that ONLY US citizens or those with legal green-card status can work. ALL illegal aliens will self-deport because their raison d’etre for US occupation will be gone. $600 billion cost is bull s**t.

  • Tony

    I meant Build the Great Walls of the USA on our Southern and Northern borders, and protect our seaports and Lake Ports. May the USA be blessed by God and live forever. It’s the greatest Nation ever founded, established, and developed by humankind.

  • Tony

    I neglected to mention to enforce our borders, deport illegal parasites, stop welfare and other benefits to non citizens, enforce our immigration laws, guild the Great Wall of the USA on our southern and Northern borders, bring back our industries and the jobs they offer, and prosecute crooked politicians, etc. If i forgot anything else, please use your brain and list it. We need patriots in this nation, not traitors.

  • Tony

    Any religion that proposes Death to others is not a peaceful religion. We don’t need any more Muslims in our country, the good old USA. Let the Muslims stay in the Middle East, stop buying their oil, and they may fade from civilization. Now that’s not a bad idea. Oh yeah, take Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Rev. Wright, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the members of the NAACP, and ACLU with them. Also take the MSM so called political pundits with them—people like Bill Krystol, George Will, Rich Lowry, Charles Krauthammer, and others of their ilk. Come to think of it, John Kasich, the Bushes, Marco Rubio and other RINOs like McCain, Collins, Flake, Ayotte, Graham, Nikki Halley, Kirk, are also invited to get on a boat and leave for the Middle East and stay there. Take the Clintons and John Kerry too. Our country will get rid of the stench they emit and we will all be better off without them. Long live the USA and its citizens who support the Constitution and advocate freedom, peace,
    Identification to vote, USA sovereignty, capitalism, term limits, a strong military, a fair and truthful MSM, and everything else that promotes greatness for the USA.

  • Rodney Steward

    All he has to do is ask for help, more than enough will be happy too! All they have to do is report where they live, saves a lot of time and money, and sure people will even offer help!!

  • Zap

    If you demand the use of e-verify, they can’t work. Replace those 20 million(not 11 million) with those citizens who have dropped out of the workforce. If you need more workers, then set up camps at the border for foreigners to register. The employer who needs them is responsible for their housing and food and behavior. Half of their wages are held in escrow and given to them when they return home.

  • Francisco Machado

    An interesting analysis of the effects on Western Europe of countries opening their borders to Muslim immigrants and the ways it is changing the countries that have done so: https://www.youtube.com/embed/a-hPCnel0qc

  • sermon

    otoman, I agree with you. Make a national statement to the effect and make it police policy that when law enforcement runs across illegals, they are deported. No questions asked, no second or third chances, they are just deported. This would have several affects, the first being self-deportation, second the illegals would work harder not to get caught (a lot of them now just thumb their nose at our laws), and third it would not cost as much. We would have to stand by the promise. As far as those O has brought in from the Middle East they get deported in mass. Also halt all immigration from anywhere until systems are in place to thoroughly vet them. This should have the affect of no more Middle Eastern coming into our country because their home countries are so war torn there is no way to vet them. Thus just ending a huge political headache. they can’t get vetted they don’t come.

  • KT

    I will say this…. deportation is not New to the USA! Presidents have done it in the past, Like on Harry Truman’s watch! Until Trump Administration gets in there to access all the damage that has been done, they really can’t make a promise like that…..just saying, probably more of a political move.
    But, I will tell what you all…. what infuriates me, is the Muslims that keep getting snuck in, under the people’s noses in our government!!!!!! The enemy is within the government…..that is their agenda, to slip in the higher government roles & bring in their Sharia law & take over!!!!! Our Leaders in this Nation have been blind sided by believing the Lie….that these are a peaceful people!!!!! That is stupidity! They teach hatred, the Quran teach everything opposite of what the Word of God says, which means this is an anti-christ religion! No wonder we are in the mess we are in….God help us with our stupidity!!!! Open the blind eyes & deaf ears in this Nation! America you need to wake up NOW!

    • YOLADANE

      KT you are sooooooo RIGHT !!

    • bobnstuff

      I’m sorry but there are some facts that you might want to think about. Sharia Law is meant for Muslims only and is largely based on Mosaic Law. Mary Mother of Christ is in the Quran more times then in the Bible. Also just how is less then 1% of the population going to take over? Here are some of our American Muslims that I guess you should fear, http://www.businessinsider.com/these-9-famous-americans-are-all-muslim-2014-10
      We have had refuges come here in larger numbers in the past with no real problems. Do you remember the Vietnam refuges? We brought them in in larger numbers and nothing really change because of them.

      • Azcat85

        Are you blind? Laws have already changed to accommodate their lifestyle. Muslim prayer time in schools, with out a similar time for other religions. And how many honor killings should we allow? Is the life of the child killed not protected under the Constitution and judeo christain based law? Your respnse is ridiculous.

        • bobnstuff

          http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-08-18/religion-schools/57127692/1
          Because of Muslim needs other faiths are getting the same rights. If you believe that honor kill is limited to Muslims you are very bind to what happens in our country. As far as our Constitution being Judeo Christian based you need to study some history. A lot of our founding fathers were not even Christian and our Constitution has it’s base in John Lock’s world view and in English common law.

          • Pete

            If you believe what USA Today puts out as news you have been taken in by the flaming liberal left.
            Searching history is done by searching the actual records of the period, not parroting what someone else tells you.

          • bobnstuff

            I have searched history and in fact it was one of my majors in college. Franklin and Jefferson were no Christians, Washington went to church to keep his wife happy but didn’t believe himself. I can go down the list. You have to remember that only 14% of the people in America went to church at that time.

          • granvillea

            You sir are so sadly misinformed it is pathetic. You have bought into a far left education that has a curriculum developed by USA hating communists and I truly feel sorry for you for not understanding the actual wonderful heritage of this country.

          • bobnstuff

            Sorry but I was educated in the fifties and sixties. I was Penn State class of 1974. I have done a lot of reading over the years and I truly enjoy history. Our countries history is also my families history. You try to paint a pretty Christian picture of our country when in fact it never really was a Christian nation. Our founding fathers believed in freedom from religion and made sure that there wasn’t a theocracy. This wonderful heritage give me the freedom to worship as I choose. I don’t want public schools pushing any one faith and if you want a religious education then send your children to a private school.

          • vietnam6871

            I disagree. The foundation was Judeo-Christian. Yes, many of the signers of the Declaration were not church goers. They were fairly well educated and I believe you will find about the same % of agnostics today, particularly within the educated. Do we believe in a higher power? Yes, something well beyond our comprehension started this whole mess. Are we influenced by Judeo-Christian principles? Yes and I will gladly live under that umbrella until I wake up looking at the brown side of the grass. I have read the Quran. It was written by a demented pederast. If you read it in chronological order rather than largest to shortest chapter that it is displayed in, You can easily note his transformation from the “love y’all” of the early chapters to the hate and rage of the later chapters as his military power rose and his enemies were vanquished. This was one very sick puppy!!! Even Allah was fashioned after Baal, one of the most evil false gods of the time. The theocracy that was created has turned out to be one of the greatest disasters of mankind. If not stopped, it could lead to our end as there are way too many nukes that will become available to the radicals.

          • granvillea

            Apparently either what you have decided to self-teach yourself is simply error or Penn State fell into the communist hole higher education has been in now for decades, sooner than the rest of the country. Either way, our founding fathers were in fact almost exclusively Christians and would be appalled at the whole idea of “freedom from religion”. It was in fact Freedom of Religion not from religion they advocated and supported.

            Virtually every major university in this nation at its founding was a Christian one and only the radical secularists and communists have tried to mislead this nation about the truth of its founding. So my conclusion is either you are a radical secularist, a communist or one of their useful idiots. Either way, every post you make is both a lie and is designed to misrepresent the true history of this nation.

            You radical secularists, have bent the entire concept of Freedom of Religion to something none of our founders would have either supported or recognized. And either you know this and are willingly and intentionally trying to mislead or you are a pitiful lost soul who has been badly mislead. I’ll let you choose which of these you are but you are definitely one or the other.

          • bobnstuff

            http://greatamericanhistory.net/blog/the-religious-beliefs-of-americas-founding-fathers-christians-or-deists/

            http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/2011/06/did-america-have-a-christian-founding

            Have you ever read the writing of Thomas Jefferson? How about Ben Franklin? Neither one were Christian. Washington as I said went to Church in his later years but did not take communion and did not identified himself as a Christian. Had our founding fathers wanted to create a Christian nation they would have used Christs name the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Because these men were educated they know the Bible but knowing the Bible and being Christian are two different things.

          • granvillea

            Yes, I have read virtually everything Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, the several Adams, Hamilton, Payne, etc. etc. wrote that has survived till our time and to deny that the Bible – the Christian Bible, was the principle foundation of our founding documents is pure revisionism, and were you half as well read or honest as you claim you would know that or not deny it.

            But, I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and rather than consider you stupid, I will instead conclude that you are dishonest with an Anti-American Agenda. Again considering the state of our education system which since the 1920’s & 30’s has been undermined and distorted by an education system that means this nation no good, I can understand how you might have been and continue to be mislead. Particularly when our so-called educators (Anti-American Propagandists in reality) spend most of their time telling each other and all who will listen how smart, wise and enlightened they are and how stupid, uneducated and unenlightened the people who espouse traditional values are.

            The decision to use Creator rather than Christ was not in any way a diminution of their Christian beliefs it simply is an acknowledgement that at the time they knew that those who read the founding documents would understand which God they were speaking of. The only One that espouses individual rights. To deny this is truly to deny the history of this country and this denial has been a main goal of the communists and secular humanist so-called progressives in order to undermine and destroy this nation. As they have always known you cannot destroy this nation without first destroying its foundational principles in particular that the State gives no rights to man, Man gives rights to the state and only extremely limited ones at that.

            If you wish to align yourself with the Margaret Sangers, Hillary Clintons, and other racist, progressive, totalitarian, eugenicists, you are certainly welcome to, but be honest about it. Although of course that is impossible as the honest views of those totalitarian racist bigots have to be hidden or they find their heads on the end of a pike.

          • bobnstuff

            This from Thomas Jefferson in an April 11, 1823, letter to John Adams:

            The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of
            Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding….

          • granvillea

            You continue to raise inanities and never address the real problems with Hillary and the other Racist Democrats, defend Margaret Sanger or move along Democrat Troll.

          • Vito Giotta

            Lets do away with the cult of Mohammad first

          • Vito Giotta

            Bob is a socialist TROLL

          • Rodney Steward

            If your so unhappy with this country and it’s values, why don’t U get the FK out! You’re always down playing everything about this country, and most of the problem we have now is from your President!

          • bobnstuff

            If you really are an American then he is your President too. He was elected twice. I respect the office and the will of the people.

          • Rodney Steward

            NO, he’s your’s, mine wouldn’t go all over the world apologizing to everybody how sorry the USA is for things we’ve never done! He’s a low life SOB that hates this country more than U! You Bi and grip about everything American, just like YO Prez! U both need to get the he$$ OUT!!

          • bobnstuff

            Name one thing that is American that I grip about. We live in the greatest country on earth. You may not like our President but if you believe in our country and our system of government you must respect the office even if you don’t respect the man. When you disrespect the President of the United States you are attacking our way of life.

          • vietnam6871

            I have respect for the office of the presidency. I hate the current POTUS. He has done more to damage the US than any other elected official at any time in the history of the US. He is Muslim. He had to be when Soetoro enrolled him in the Indonesian school that only accepted Muslims. “Transformation” to him is synonymous with “destruction”. The black population is finally coming to the reality of their being much worse off now than before he entered office. I believe you will see Trump getting in excess of 20% of the black vote and that could lead to a landslide.

          • I Seigel

            And in the unlikely event that you’re wrong, and Trump doesn’t get 20% of the black vote, and that he loses the election?? Will you have a complete rethink of your opinions, or will you just cry that the election was rigged and stolen?

          • Rodney Steward

            No, we’ll be preparing for war against Hellary and her muslims she intends to flood us with, and the destruction of the Constitution she has said needs changing!

          • I Seigel

            Hillary has said the Constitution needs changing??? show me.

          • Rodney Steward

            My God, this has been in some of her speeches on TV, along with the phrase of these people that have these deep seated Religious beliefs that have to be changed, more war on Christianity! This woman loves islam more than Obama!

          • I Seigel

            I’m listening. Show me. Post a link to one of her speeches on TV in which she says the Constitution needs changing.

            And, just a thought: Don’t conservatives want to change the Constitution to get rid of Roe vs Wade? And to define marriage, and make homosexuality illegal? And have a Balanced Budget Amendment? Those are all CONSERVATIVE goals, are they not??

          • Rodney Steward

            Sorry, don’t care a D’N thing for queers, and like I said, don’t know how!! You’ll just have to educate yourself, or try watching some real news!

          • I Seigel

            You don’t know how.. what?

            And what about my question: Isn’t it the CONSERVATIVES who want to change the Constitution??

          • Rodney Steward

            NO, it’s the slut that has made the statement more than once, I’ve heard it myself from the Bi!

          • granvillea

            No see above.

          • granvillea

            No conservatives want judge made law, which is on its face unconstitutional overturned. Conservatives want the Constitution to be interpreted as it was written and in context not to be stretched and distorted to no longer have any relationship with the founders intent.

            A Balanced Budget Amendment would be by the nature of being an Amendment a part of the Constitution. Again what we object to is new “rights” being created out of whole cloth by judges who have no respect for the Constitution.

            If the left wishes to create a right to abortion, to homosexual marriage or any of these other created “rights” they are welcome to try to pass Constitutional Amendments to accomplish these goals. Good Luck.

          • I Seigel

            By “new rights being created out of whole cloth “, do mean the “right” of a corporation to be treated like a person? Do mean the “right” of the government to tell people who they can’t sleep with or marry?

          • granvillea

            Since when except in your perverted head was a corporation anything except a person for legal purposes. And as to the later item, I could care less who sleeps with who, but as to redefining a thousands of years old definition of marriage that would be the far left courts, not conservatives.

          • vietnam6871

            I don’t cry about anything. Rigged election? But there will be voter fraud as there has been in other elections and will continue until there is universal voter ID that will end most of it. If he loses we are in deep sh!t. Trump wasn’t my choice, Ben Carson was but Hillary in so unbelievably corrupt and basically a socialist (the true meaning of progressive) that I think our country will self destruct under more taxes, continued anemic growth and a debt that will only continue to grow and bring us to our knees. Only a rejuvenation of business will give us a chance and that will lead to increased debt from the budget deficit over the first few years, but there will be a chance of recovery after that as the deficit becomes a surplus. There is no chance of recovery with increased taxes and increased government. You can start the countdown to the implosion.

          • bobnstuff

            He spent more time in Indonesian going to a Catholic school so does that mean he is a Catholic? The so called Muslim school was the local public school an not exclusively Muslim.

          • Rodney Steward

            You don’t know this, or show me!

          • bobnstuff
          • granvillea

            To call politifact, the Chicago Tribune or the Washington Post real news sources is to deny the reality of the last 30 years.

          • bobnstuff

            They are better then getting your news from people like Fox News that admits to not being a news network and people like Hinnaty and Beck who will tell you they are not journalists. As far as were Obama went to school the facts are pretty clear and have been checked over and over again.

          • granvillea

            Fox News only fault is it actually is overly “fair and balanced” and does not call the Democrats for their continuos and constant lies. Reporting Liberal Talking Points as if their was any reasonable basis for them is neither fair nor balanced. As to the remainder of the MSM it is basically nothing but a puppet for the Democrat Party and has been for many decades.

            Most of the morons on those shows are so caught up in the left wing bubble world they would not recognize the truth if it bit them in the ass. Or they are simply such far left ideologues themselves they do everything they can to hide the truth. As to what schools Obama went to, it makes little or no difference, he was raised by Muslims and Communists and the only so-called Christian Church he ever attended was the Reverend Wrights, Black Liberation America Hating Church that preached nothing but hatred for America, and everything white.

            Move on Troll.

          • bobnstuff

            Why is it when Fox’s big names a challenged they all claim not to be journalists. Why when the are taken to court they used the defense that they were an entertainment station. Hinnaty tells you he is no journalist, as does Rush. If Fox doesn’t claim to be a News Channel then it’s a pretty good bet they aren’t one.
            http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2006/12/14/gallup_america_trusts_nurses_not_journalists
            http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/im-not-a-journalist-hannity-defends-himself-from-claims-hes-a-trump-trumpeter/article/2588494

          • granvillea

            Fox news is honest enough to admit (sometimes when it is not spouting left wing tripe) that its commentators are just that opinion piece commentators. The rest of the MSM pretends they are journalists as they spout their left wing BS. If the MSM would simply admit that they are the left wing hacks that they are it would not be a problem.

            BTW 60 Minutes is who came up with the Opinion Dodge when they were getting their asses sued off for one of the many hit jobs they called journalism. Fox simply admits it up front. As to their actual News Programs they have never claimed that it was anything but news. Move along Democrat Troll. Take your Alinskyite lies and half-truths elsewhere.

          • bobnstuff

            Fox in a Florida case that they were not a New Channel, it was their defense. Here is what Fox said about themselves.
            http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/10/12/fox-admits-it-traffics-in-propaganda-not-news/
            http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=27363

          • granvillea

            Carry your off point Democrat Talking Points elsewhere, you’ve proven who you are.

          • bobnstuff

            When Fox News talks you should listen. I don’t think they are Democrats over there.

          • granvillea

            BTW, I see you continue to fail to respond to the very long list of factual critiques of Obama and Clinton, move along Troll.

          • bobnstuff

            What facts? Have you noticed I gave you links that back up what I say. Where are your news sources? You attack articles that are well resurrected and give details. Your sources seem to be non journalists like Hannity and Beck. When someone give you information that doesn’t fit you world view instead of checking that information you just attack. As I saw I give you links to back up what I say and of the last four two were right wing and two were moderate. Were are your links?

          • granvillea

            Not being funded by and coached by MediaMatters, I don’t keep at my finger tips a selection of carefully selected out of context and inaccurate quotes. I don’t need to waste my time searching up items of common knowledge.

            Or do you just admit that:

            1) Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was a blatantly racist eugenicist who in her own writings said she formed Planned Parenthood to stop the growth of the Black Race and what she called “misfits and subhumans”. or

            2. That this is still Hillary’s self proclaimed “Hero”. or

            3. That more than 50% of Abortions are performed on Blacks who are less than 13% of the population, or

            4. That Far Left Democrat Policies have been almost exclusively destructive to the populations that they claim to support, or

            5. That Far Left Democrat Policies have been consistently destructive to economic growth and that

            6. Blacks have seen their well being consistently decline under the policies of the Obama Administration, and that

            7. These policies have been even more destructive to Black Young Men and Young people in general, and that

            8. The Obama/Clinton foreign Policy has been an unmitigated disaster in virtually every way.

            9. That Obama has strengthened our enemies and weakened our friends.

            10. That Terrorism in the USA has grown exponentially since Obama took office in terms of the number and frequency of attacks.

            11. So you admit that Obamacare is a complete and total disaster that has turned a once world class health care system into one where rates have skyrocketed for everyone but the chronically ill and that the policies most people can afford even with government assistance have deductibles and co-pays so high that they are nothing but catastrophic coverage in disguise and by trying to force everyone to buy coverage for things they do not need, want nor will ever use, that they have forced the healthy young to make the unfortunately intelligent and absolutely predictable decision to never get coverage until they are desperately ill.

            12. So you admit that Obamacare robbed the elderly who paid into the Medicare System for all of their working lives of Hundreds of millions of dollars and removed from most retiree’s the most popular private option Medicare Advantage.

            13. So you admit that Hillary has illegally acted in at best a Grossly Negligent way by establishing a Private unsecured email server in her home that contained scores of classified documents in clear violation of the law. That contained official records of the US State Department in clear violation of the law. That was done so to avoid both congressional oversight and the Freedom of Information Act in clear violation of the Law, and was wiped clean using extreme electronic measures while the documents were under supoena by Congress and under FOIA in clear violation of the Law, which by the way very clearly demonstrates the intent Director Comey claimed did not exist as an excuse not to prosecute Hillary despite the fact the Federal Laws in question do not require intent and are explicitly written so intent is not required.

            14. So you admit that the Obama administration has illegally and abusively used the IRS and the Justice Department as tools to abuse their political enemies and has stopped multiple criminal prosecutions of their friends.

            15. So you admit that Obama has illegally and unconstitutionally rewritten laws through executive order or administrative rules or regulations to avoid their clear congressional intent in order to favor policies that he could not pass through Congress and that the American People elected a congress to prevent.

            That’s fine I will accept the admission by omission.

          • vietnam6871

            I know about the Catholic school but he was Muslim when he attended the public school, fully dressed in appropriate clothing and reciting the prayers and there are photos of that.

          • granvillea

            When you tell the truth about a President that could not have been elected either time had he had even a tiny bit of objective scrutiny, which was made impossible by the race baiters who put up this “Manchurian Candidate” as a Democrat nominee and a press corps that neither understands nor appreciates anything about this country, its founding or its principles who covered for him continuously and totally, you are not “disrespecting the office of the president. Rather you are acknowledging the travesty that has been done to this nation.

            I never thought we would again have a President even half as bad as Jimmy Carter but we have now had two terms of a much worse example and if Hillary were to be elected we would finally be in the hell this country’s Democrat Party seems determined to punish us with.

          • bobnstuff

            There is a whole part of the media created to attack our President but you think objective scrutiny didn’t happen. You my be right since the conservative media is anything but objective. Obama didn’t win because of media bias, he won because the Republicans had bad candidates. If you remember on one really wanted Romney as a candidate, but we ended up with him and Lying Ryan anyways. McCain wasn’t as bad until they stuck him with Sarah. Now we have the worst candidate in history. It’s almost as if the Republicans want to lose. When Clinton wins it will be a gift from the Republicans. She is one of the worst candidate ever. There were at least three Republicans running that would have beaten her with now problems but we get Trump the only candidate worse the Clinton..

          • granvillea

            Trump loves America, Hillary hates it. Has Trump been influenced by living his life in the Sodom that is Manhattan, for sure. But does he believe in the greatness of the country and the founders vision of it, I believe any fair reading of his positions on issues in this election demonstrate this.

            One thing is absolutely certain, Hillary will be a disaster for this nation and the only way to right it after her first term will almost certainly require a new and very bloody revolution. I believe her recent outrageous attacks on Trump is a sign that her internal polling shows that Trump is seriously denting her stranglehold on the Black and Hispanic votes as Trump is the first Republican candidate in decades to point out just how racist and destructive to those communities the policies of the progressive left are to them.

            As Trump continues to point out the policy failures of the left, despite the “self-described elites and so-called conservative pundits” (actually the dying last gasp of the left wing establishment) undermining attacks on Trump she will continue see her base erode that she requires to vote for her in almost unanimous numbers to have any chance to be elected even with the massive voter fraud operation that Obama has created.

          • bobnstuff

            You are blind if you think Trump loves America. He tells you he does but what actions in his past would make you believe he loved anything but money. He tells people what they want to hear but his actions and history say who the real Trump is.

          • granvillea

            Move on Troll you have shown you are actually an Obama Loving Democrat. Quit pretending to be what you are not.

          • bobnstuff

            Typical Trump supporters, you ask them for facts and the talk about anything else. What actions has Trump done that shows his love of country? His military service, his work with the poor, his investing his money in our country instead of over seas, how about his paying his fair share of taxes or any other thing that would show he isn’t just saying he loves the country. If you come back with anything about an other person but Trump you are just proving my point.

          • granvillea

            Sorry bob, you don’t get to define the terms of the discussion. You are the one ducking the actual issues and throwing as much smoke as possible.

            You continue to raise inanities and never address the real problems with Hillary and the other Racist Democrats, defend Margaret Sanger or move along Democrat Troll.

            Defend killing tens of millions of black babies in the name of planned parenthood (more than 50% of abortions are done to Black women despite their being less than 13% of the population).

            Defend the Democrats condemning blacks to a far substandard education by opposing school choice at every chance.

            Defend Democrats creating a poverty plantation in the inner-cities of America to keep their black slaves.

            Defend Obama policies that has led to Black unemployment that has risen during his entire two terms in office, and black young men unemployment that is even worse.

            Defend a Health Care remake that raised rates astronomically while giving people an illusory product with such high deductibles and co-pays that it is truly nothing but a grossly over priced catastrophic policy pretending to be something else.

            Defend a President who except for an energy sector that developed massive new oil finds despite his every effort to block it, that he has fought at every turn, has created net negative job growth his entire two terms.

            Defend a President who has at every opportunity weakened America, betrayed our allies and assisted our enemies. Whose foreign policy is such a disaster that even many Democrats can no longer stomach it.

            Move on Troll or address the Truth of the Democrat Racists who believe they are superior to all minorities and that they deserve to rule people not to serve them.

            Oh, and did you forget your Democrat talking points Jefferson was a racist slave owner and therefore his Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution can be ignored because it was just privileged White Men who wrote them.

            Those are the beliefs of your heroes Obama and Hillary, Move along, you will not be allowed to spout your lies and half truths, BS here. Out of context quotations and cherry picked BS does not fly. Just more avoiding the truth of who you are. We recognize you, move along get yet another new ID to post with.

            As to Trump, he has created tens of thousands of good, high paying jobs all over the USA., He has never created a phony charity to wash money, to enable massive illegal Pay-to-Play, to enrich himself and his cronies. He has never sold out America to Dictators who hate us. All of that would be Hillary. So it really is a simple choice.

          • Vito Giotta

            bobstuff is a troll

          • I Seigel

            PLEASE show me what Obama has apologized for “all over the world”. Let’s see some facts.

          • Rodney Steward

            How many times have you heard about his apology tours, been all over the news over and over, but not so much lately, like Hellary he’s involved in so much corruptness! And besides that, I don’t know how to post facts, wished I did!

          • I Seigel

            I’ve HEARD about his apology tours plenty!! You’re absolutely right – it’s been “all over the news over and over”. But I only hear it from right-wing blogs and Breitbart. I haven’t seen any video of Obama apologizing, have you? Have you read any transcripts of his speeches where he’s apologized? Just because you’ve HEARD about it, doesn’t make it true!!!

          • Rodney Steward

            Have U not seen him stand up for islam way more than christanity, and if he had to make a choice he would have to side with islam, I seen that!!

          • Rodney Steward

            Wished I could, all I know is like Hellary, both suck!

          • skrunyan

            The evidence of gross cheating to put Obama back in office in 2012 says all we need to know. Lying, cheating and progressives stole the election. The people CAUGHT are now being sent to prison fo voter fraud. How much was NOT caught??? The progressives HATE True the Vote.

          • bobnstuff

            Obama won by 2.5 million votes, There was no evidence of gross cheating. There was no stolen election. He got the most votes by a large amount, get over it.

          • I Seigel

            Who has been sent to prison for voter fraud? How many votes? Where are the investigations into this lying and cheating? Republicans have controlled the House since 2010 and the Senate since 2014. Why no investigations into voter fraud? Why no indictments, no convictions?

          • Rodney Steward

            Hard to get your hands on Soros, like Hellary!

          • I Seigel

            So you’re saying no one has gotten convicted for voter fraud? Soros hasn’t even been questioned. So, who then has been indicted or convicted of voter fraud??

          • Rodney Steward

            There was a black woman that got 5 years for admitting to voting 5 times, and of course we know there is more along with the dead votes!

          • I Seigel

            So, 5 illegal votes. Out of a hundred million or more. Could you send me a link to that black woman’s conviction (I’ll try to find it, too). And all those “dead votes” – any proof? Any convictions? Or just rumors and theories? (Like Obama’s birth certificate bullsh*t)

          • Rodney Steward

            That still has NEVER been seen! Where did the 5 come in!

          • I Seigel

            OK, I found it myself. This story was posted on CBS Local (Cleveland) website on May 31, 2013:
            http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/05/31/ohio-poll-worker-convicted-on-multiple-counts-of-obama-biased-voter-fraud/

            “An Ohio woman has been convicted of numerous counts of voter fraud and ballot-box tampering.
            Longtime Election Day poll worker Melowese Richardson has “pleaded no contest to four counts of illegal voting … in exchange for prosecutors dropping four other illegal voting charges,” the Cincinnati Enquirer reports.”

            So this lady admits to 4 counts of voting illegally. 3 of those votes were cast in 3 separate elections – 2008, 2011, and 2012 – because she was voting for a relative who was in a coma (that’s illegal), and one additional infraction. The prosecutor dropped charges for ballot box tampering.

            The story goes on to say that there were originally 80 suspicious cases, with 28 subpoenas, 19 possible cases, but no mention of trials or convictions.

            So, in Ohio, we’ve had lots of taxpayer money spent doing lots of investigations, and we have one conviction of a lady who cast ONE illegal vote in 3 separate elections, plus a 4th illegal vote that isn’t specified in the story.

            Do you think the balance of the US government, and US History, was changed by this cheating?

          • I Seigel

            Oh, and I found the other story, this one in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
            http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article23415846.html

            This black woman was sentenced to 2 years of probation for admitting that her son voted in place of his father. And then she told paramedics, while lying almost passed out in the courtroom, that she didn’t know what she was saying.

            So even if she was telling the truth, that means that her son was guilty of ONE illegal vote (pretending to be his father), which he made on June 18, 2011. And that wasn’t a national election for Obama, that was probably a local election or a state primary of some sort.

            Do you think that ONE vote changed the course of Texas history, or the US?

          • Rodney Steward

            Up north is where all the fraud is, where they all complain about voter ID, the same SOB’s that have to show an ID to get food stamps and other free stuff! It was reported on FOX NEWS that it was close to 200,000 voter fraud votes when Opey ran the last time! And look at the places where there were more votes counted than people that could vote, and Florida was one Southern state that turned out that way!

          • I Seigel

            But see, FOX News reports on rumors. The local papers in the places where the fraud is supposed to have occurred is where you’d find the actual facts, especially in places that are red states. So other than FOX – which repeats reports that Drudge or Breitbart or the Washington Times get started – where are the actual facts? Like the stories in the Fort Worth newspaper or the Cleveland newspaper that I found and posted links to?

          • Rodney Steward

            Now it doesn’t really matter, the black boy got the job and has made a total failure out of it, and if this voter BS wasn’t a problem, why are all the blacks raising so much he$$ about voter ID when the don’t mind throwing it out for food stamps! Around here we call the paper the liar! FOX is one of the only NEWS channel we have left that HALF WAY tells the facts, the left don’t like it because they don’t kiss Hellary and Obama’s backstabbing a$$es!

          • bobnstuff

            That’s because they haven’t done anything to get them for or all the conservative Republican are imbeciles, you pick.

          • Rodney Steward

            You’re never going to change, you’re gonna stay grape flavored for ever!

          • NM Leon
          • Nadine Anderton

            Your ignorance of the early history of this country is amazing. The truth about the intense consideration of which political systems to model ours on has been removed from the scant teachings of history in our schools. Many of those considered “Deists” were most assuredly NOT, especially George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, probably even Benjamin Franklin. Even a cursory reading of their own writings gives evidence of that fact. I daresay ALL believed in the efficacy of the Christian virtues as a moral necessity to provide incentive to follow the rule of law and to care about the common needs of the community. Many systems of government were studied and the best taken for a model and modified where necessary to reign in political desires for power and greed. Democracy was definitely ruled out as dangerous for our goals, and the increasing description of our country as a democracy has led us into decline – we a a representative republic, or were meant to be. Of course, our representatives no longer represent us. John Locke was, yes, one of those whose theories were studied. We WERE English citizens who wanted the common law rights of Englishmen in many cases, which were being denied to us. We improved on them. By the way, Muslims were at war with us even then! While there are a great many honorable and peace-loving Muslims in our country, the system laid out in the Koran is incompatibible with the Constitution, which is still the best system of government in the world – as conceived and not as presently perverted by our “rulers.”
            .”

          • bobnstuff

            This from Thomas Jefferson in an April 11, 1823, letter to John Adams:

            The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of
            Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding….
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/founding-fathers-we-are-n_b_6761840.html
            There were Christian, strong Christians among our founding fathers but they understood that the government must stay clear of religion. There is no one Christian religion but a wide range of beliefs under that heading and than as now they don’t all get along. There are some universal beliefs that most religion. Those are part of the fiber of the country but no were in any of the original government the founders created a link to the Christian religion.

      • vietnam6871

        The Muslim Brotherhood, our enemy, is inside the White House and has funded over 85% of the mosques in the USA. This is their movement to “win without firing a shot” that is found in thousands of documents obtained in raids on radicals by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies. You must remember that there is no such thing as a “peaceful” muslim. The only exception being several Islamic sects that broke away from mainstream Islam from many decades to several hundred years ago that do want peace and are not sworn to create a one world caliphate. Unfortunately we are talking about several million in these sects vs. 1.5 billion who are our sworn enemies.

        • Rodney Steward

          Yes Sir, and they go by CAIR!!

      • 1947goldenjet

        Because they chose to adapt. Also, having been a French colony for 100 years they had become westernized to an extent. Thirdly, quite a few of them were Christians with no affinity for Sharia Law.

        • bobnstuff

          None of the refuges are coming from a country with Sharia Law systems in place and they Persian not Arabs. Very few Muslim follow Sharia law.

          • vietnam6871

            “Very few Muslims follow Sharia Law” – you truly are an idiot. If you want an education on Islam other than listening devotedly to the MSM, read “Civilization Jihad and the Myth of Moderate Islam” by Paul Sutliff. He footnotes on every page the many sources he uses to prove his hypothesis. You can fact check yourself. Stop being stupid.

          • NM Leon

            Do you pretend to be ignorant or is it real?

            The refugees are ARAB not Persian (Iranian).

          • bobnstuff

            You know you are right. I didn’t check and just went on what a friend told me years ago. He always said he was Persian but he was from Iraq. I stand corrected.

          • 1947goldenjet

            According to Pew, 8 countries base their societies on Sharia Law. In round numbers they total 436,000,000 people. The only country that I rounded up was Mauritania. I rounded up some 3,000 people to get 4,000,000. A good number of other countries followed Sharia Law to a lesser extent and some only followed it for family and property law.
            The 8 countries cited as following Sharia Law are
            1)Afghanistan; 2)Iran; 3)Iraq; 4)Mauritania; 5)Pakistan; 6)Saudi Arabia; 7)Sudan; 8)Yemen.
            Those to a lesser degree are nearly everyone else.
            The former Soviet Republics follow Sharia Law barely at all.

      • KT

        How did one Women! Get prayer taken out the Education System….who was an Atheist? Do not ever under estimate the minority, I believe some people are passive in the way of thinking & it causes more harm than good.

        • bobnstuff

          She got the Lords Pray taken out of our schools, It wasn’t even the same one used in my church. Do you really want the public schools teaching your children religion?

          • KT

            You are really misinformed are you! It’s s much more than just about prayer in the Schools….it is about God ‘ s protection in the Education System. When we acknowledge the Lord our God, it honors Him, when we pray in public & do not deny Him, pleasing our Lord brings Blessings & protection. You are not who you appear to be……or your angry @ God, an atheist or a believer of another Faith? But, for sure a mocker! Believer’s in Christ do not kill in the name of God to prove a point…..Islam….. Faith does, they read out of the same book. What can you not get out of that???

          • bobnstuff

            To give yourself to God it must be of your own free will or it is of no meaning. Making third graders pray the Lords Prayer is not going to bring them to Christ. You can’t make a person believe. I want my government as far from my religion as they can be. I don’t want some teacher who’s beliefs I don’t know teaching my children or grandchildren religion. If you do your job as a parent your children will grow in faith and if you don’t then all the praying in school will do nothing. It’s not through public prayer that we prove our faith but through our actions.

          • KT

            Mr. Bob! You have a stronghold in the mind with this issue! Prayer was done by the principle over the speaker, to Thank the Lord for watching over them, to help them all to get thru the day! Mainly, giving Thanks! Then said the pledge of aligance to the flag….. this is what Texas Schools us to do! Christian schools teach the word of God.

          • bobnstuff

            Matthew 6:5-7
            5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.…

            This is what Christ had to say about prayer.

            Our Constitution basically says the government can’t force a religion, any religion on people. Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion. As I have said formal payer has no place in government run schools.

          • KT

            I am sorry, no disrespect to you, but you have Religion/head knowledge. No need to quote scripture to me! I know the Word of God & Him as my Lord & Savior!
            And we not to isolate scripture, there is no scripture that says we are not to pray out loud….that is Legalism sir!

          • bobnstuff

            There is no scripture that says you need to pray out loud either. It’s not Gods law we are talking about in public schools. Even Christ acknowledged the rule of government. We could bounce back and forth forever but the important thing to me is just who’s job is it to teach our children about God and do you really want the government run public schools to do it. The constitution says the government should stay out of religion and I for one agree.

      • KT

        Your are disillusioned, if you worship…..a false god or any other than the True Living God ” I AM”. Be careful what you put along side of the Christian Faith….that is grounds for a curse. Just saying! Your adding your own opinions!!!

      • used_to_be_a_liberal

        You really are not that bright are you.
        When Mohamed and his administrators put the Koran together they did plagiarize from the then known Bible, as well as other Hebrew writings. Not only is Mother Mary mentioned several times but so is Christ 32 times, as well as other Biblical figures.
        There was a reason for this. Mohamed’s movement was growing, he was a conquer, not a prophet. He had to legitimise his perverse movement. The best way to do this was through “religion” He saw what Rome had done, by the way, it was not called the Holy Roman Empire for nothing. Mohamed did not want to be seen as a threat to Rome, he needed a pass from Rome, and via the Koran he got one. So the Koran satisfied Rome, and his was able to throw his own stuff into the Koran, along with his sexual, and other perversions.
        Muslims prior to Mohamed were a completely different people, they were nothing like what they came to be after Mohamed introduced his style of Islam, that also includes a one world religion governed under Islam.
        Mohamed said, one well placed agent is better then an army of 10,000. It is also instructed in the Koran that it is appropriate for a Muslim to lie, cheat, steal, kill, deceive, and deny, in order to spread the cause of Islam.
        Islam is a political agenda, hidden under the guise of a so-called religion. A follower of Islam has only one loyalty an that is to Islam, and only Islam.
        So, if you want to espouse to your wishy washy over-tolerant feelings then go ahead, and foolishly do so, then one day, you or your off-spring may end up holding your head in your hands, enslaved, or be Islamic converts. When that happens you can sit back then ask yourself, “what happened” and at the same time wonder where “liberalism” went.
        If you think that your liberal ideology will survive, then think again, it won’t. If Islam gains a political foot hold, you can kiss abortion, and gay rights good-bye, along with many other rights and freedoms that we all have.

      • NM Leon

        Sharia law is meant for Muslims only and prescribes the way the faithful should view and treat infidels. It is IN PART based on Mosaic law, namely Leviticus. Both of the other “People of the Book” (the “Book” being what Christians call the “Old Testament” and Jews call the Tanakh) rejected the prescriptions in Leviticus etc long ago…not so a significant percentage of Islam.

        1% are unlikely to take over 99%, but here’s a thought for you. Pew found recently that American Muslims are the most moderate in attitudes and beliefs (by far) of any in the world. They found that 81% of American Muslims believe that homicide bombing is wrong…think about that for just a moment. That means 19% of the most moderate Muslims in the world (627,000) believe that terrorism may be justified! Tell us again why you think we should welcome 10s of thousands much less “moderate” Muslims?

        To compare Syrian refugees to Vietnamese is idiocy. NONE of the Vietnamese refugees were taught from childhood that westerners were evil “infidels”.

        • Nadine Anderton

          All of the
          Vietnamese refugees I knew of (and this happened when I had children in school, and was of the Vietnamese War generation) had sponsors plus the desire to come here to better themselves, not live off government benefits.
          They also did not come here with the intent to take over America, instill their religion, or their system of law. They fit in and became Americans. This is what benefits America, No one should be allowed in (other than tourists or students) who isn’t interested to abiding by our Constitution and way of life (known as culture). Yes, their culture enriches us, but only to the extent that it is part of a “melting pot” and does not compete and refuse to become part of the whole. Many Muslim families fit this model. Single young males of military age from countries with terrorist leanings are suspect and should not, as a rule, be allowed. Yet this is said to be the typical “refugee” brought in by the Obama regime. Families with young men who might has terrorist aspirations should be vetted carefully. We are a sovereign nation, and the rights and safety of citizens are the responsibility of our government, not the claimed false “rights” of outsiders. Americans First is not selfish.

      • nokabosh

        Sharia Law is incompatible with the US Constitution. Khan would do well to read it.

      • granvillea

        Democrat Talking Point to try to distract from the Truth about Sharia Law and US Judges appointed by Obama trying to apply it in the USA.

    • Teserra

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  • JOE

    In the city of Brotherly Love, the home of Rocky Balboa,

    “Hillary Clinton is not qualified to be president”, Bernie Sanders told a crowd of supporters packed into Temple University’s arena, delivering his fiercest jab yet to the struggling Democratic front-runner.

    “Now the other day, I think, Secretary Clinton appeared to be getting a little bit nervous,” he began. “We have won, we have won seven out of eight of the recent primaries and caucuses. And she has been saying lately that she thinks that I am, quote unquote, not qualified to be president.

    “Well let me, let me just say in response to Secretary Clinton: I don’t believe that she is qualified if she is, if she is, through her super PAC, taking tens of millions of dollars in special interest funds,” he said. “I don’t think you are qualified if you get $15 million from Wall Street through your super PAC.”

    • bobnstuff

      $15 million isn’t very much in a billion dollar campaign. Koch Brothers are spending just under $900 million.

      • JOE

        r u on CRACK r just plain STUPID,demoRAT party=murder=looting=burning the MF down=abortion=kkk=slavery=muslim terrorists=high taxes=poverty=fixed elections,illegitimate kids=crack heads=welfare,LIBERALISM Is It Mental Illness or Demonic Oppression?.

        • bobnstuff

          I haven;t a clue what you just said but I think you need to improve your communication skills.

          • JOE

            The kids filed into class Monday morning.

            They were all very excited..

            Their weekend assignment was to sell something, and then give a talk on salesmanship.

            Little Sally led off. “I sold Girl Scout cookies and I made $30” she said proudly. “My sales approach was to appeal to the customer’s civil spirit, and I credit that approach for my obvious success.”

            “Very good”, said the teacher.

            Little Debbie was next. “I sold magazines” she said. “I made $45 and I explained to everyone that magazines would keep them up on current events.”

            “Very good, Debbie”, said the teacher.

            Eventually, it was Little Johnny’s turn. The teacher held her breath.

            Little Johnny walked to the front of the classroom, and dumped a box full of cash on the teacher’s desk. “$2,467”, he said.

            “$2,467!” cried the teacher, “What in the world were you selling?”

            “Toothbrushes”, said Little Johnny.

            “Toothbrushes” echoed the teacher. “How could you possibly sell enough tooth brushes to make that much money?”

            “I found the busiest corner in town”, said Little Johnny. “I set up a Dip & Chip stand, and I gave everybody who walked by a free sample.” They all said the same thing: “Hey, this tastes like dog poop!”

            Then I would say, “It is dog poop. Wanna buy a toothbrush?

            I used the President Obama method of giving you some krap, dressing
            it up so it looks good, telling you it’s free, and then making you pay to get the bad taste out of your mouth.”LIBERALISM Is It Mental Illness or Demonic Oppression?

          • Pete

            He just pegged you as a flaming liberal lying democrat. Is that true??

          • bobnstuff

            I’m in fact a member of the republican party and I’m and ex ward chairman. My brother and my cousin both hold elected office running as republicans. I come from a very long line of republicans. What I’m not is a member of the stupid Republican Party. I hold the values that once were the center of the party. Common sense government. I also know how to read and I understand how math works. Koch Brothers have bought the party and are working on destroying the middle class. Trump is so bad even they don’t like him. I miss my party and hope that when the blood suckers are done with it they will give it back.

          • granvillea

            If any of that background you claim is true, it explains how the Republican Party has strayed so far from Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp and has become Democrat light. Hopefully we will run all the idiots like you out of the party and certainly out of any leadership roles.

          • bobnstuff

            As long as we keep electing self centered egomaniacs nothing will change. People like Ted Cruz are what is stopping government from working. Both parties need to work together, when one decides to prevent the other from doing anything government fails. The Republican party hasn’t become Democrat light, they have become a two headed monster. They are now the do nothing party. Just saying no is not governing. If I were going to say what kind of Republican I was it would be a C of C republican.

          • granvillea

            Preventing horrible and unconstitutional policies and trying to actually utilize the powers the Constitution gave Congress (House and Senate) to block an Anti-American, Anti-Constitutional President from running roughshod over the country and the Constitution is in fact what every member of Congress should be doing.

            Shutting down the government, and really, actually shutting it down was and is Congress’ prerogative if the President refuses to compromise. Going along with ridiculous budgets, ridiculous spending and not simply defunding every agency that Obama has subverted by illegal and/or unconstitutional executive orders is in fact the right thing to do.

            Just saying no to bad policy and wasteful spending is both their duty and what they were elected to do by substantial majorities of the American People. Their failure to do what they promised is why the American People are fed up. Not because they did too little going along but rather because they have done far too much, They squandered the trust the American People put in them to stop all of Obama’s policies and that failure to uphold their promises is why we are now where we are.

          • bobnstuff

            Cruz was out of line, he went against the leaders of his party and got NOTHING for it, he cost the country millions of dollars just to get some headlines. The law was passed by congress and signed by the President. The majority of Americans voted for Obama. The last mid term election no one even showed up to vote.

          • granvillea

            Had the rest of the Republican Party stood up and done what they had promised after 2010, and had they nominated someone that did not require outspending his opponents by more than 10-1 to win any primaries, they would have won in 2012 in a landslide and had they continued to send principled funding bills to the Senate, they would have won a veto proof majority in the Senate. Even after the 2014 elections, had the Republicans actually made principled stands to completely reverse Obama’s agenda and simply sent him bill after bill to veto and let Obama shut the government down there might not be the kind of total disregard for the dishonest establishment politicians on both sides of the aisle.

          • bobnstuff

            Had the Republicans actually done their job after Obama was elected instead of being the party of No, had they worked with the Democrats as in the past we could have a real health care system, a much stronger economy and a safer nation. Just saying no to everything the President wants is not governing. When Republicans vote against their own bills because the President like them is a sign of a party gone very wrong.

          • granvillea

            There was never any working with Obama. He was bound and determined to fundamentally change the USA and he never once compromised. He would pretend to for a short time then take every thing the Republican Squishes would give him and renege on every promise he made.

            The fact that you are trying to defend Obama here shows that you either are a Democrat pretending to be a Republican (False Flag) or amongst the worst of the far left Republicans who have consistently tried to destroy this Party. The Republicans never voted against their own bills, the House voted against so-called compromise bills from the Senate that were in fact really nothing but complete abdication to the progressive, totalitarian Left.

            Obama is and always was a communist ideologue and had no interest in doing anything but push the country down the path to a communist dictatorship.

            Obama has done everything he could to destroy the US economy and only the fact that it was so robust fundamentally has prevented him from succeeding. This President should have been impeached long ago and he not been black he would have been,

            He has lied about every thing he has ever done, lied about Health Care, lied about the Iran Deal, lied about his mideast policy in general, lied about his Russia policy and lied about immigration and lied repeatedly about his regulatory policy. You sir, try really hard to misrepresent yourself but you alway manage to slip up and reveal yourself for the far left democrat you clearly are. Move on Troll.

            The Republicans were elected specifically to stop Obama’s agenda and they failed not by being to uncooperative but rather by being the cowardly squishes they proved themselves to be and not doing what they promised.

          • bobnstuff

            Where were you in 2010 when the Republicans said point blank that they would give Obama nothing he wanted. Do you remember that. Do you remember when Obama went to Congress to as for more border patrol agencies and more judges to deal with at illegal immigrant problem? Obama bent over backwards on the ACA but got not one vote from republicans for his efforts. I don’t know what country or universe you have been in but it sure wasn’t here. http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/10-ideas-republicans-loved-until-barack-obama-became-president.html
            http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/15/politics/republicans-tax-credits/index.html
            https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50177069

          • granvillea

            You can quote all the lies you want from the MSM and it does not change the fact that Obama played Lucy with Charlie Brown’s Football every time the Republicans tried to work with him. Only fools and Charlie Brown keep going back to a poisoned well. Too many of the establishment Republicans did do that.

            Had they actually stood up to him in 2010, Obamacare would be in the scrapyard of history where it belongs, most of Obama’s illegal and unconstitutional over reach would not have happened because it would have meant nothing he wanted would have gotten funded. Our Constitutional Republic does not allow a petulant President to simply write or re-write laws when he does not get what he wants. That is a Totalitarian State, which apparently is what you want.

            Again the Republicans were not elected to go along with Obama, they were elected to stop him. When even Massachusetts elects a Republican Senator to prevent Obamacare from getting passed you would think the Democrats would take a hint. But no they changed Senate Rules to force through Obamacare although they no longer had the votes to actually pass it.

            I hope Trump gives the Democrats back what they gave and the Republican House and Senate use the same rules changes to end that abomination and appoint conservative judges over a Democrat filibuster attempt.

          • bobnstuff

            The Republicans were elected to write an pass laws, something they haven’t been doing much of. I guess you were in a coma in 2010 when the ACA was debated on C Span for months. There were 143 changes made to the bill mostly to make the republicans happy. Then after all those changes the republicans still don’t vote for it. You do know much of the ACA was based on republican ideas.
            Do you know what the powers of the president are, if not go look them up. Then take some time to see how they have been used over the years. Obama has not done anything different then the other presidents and has had less EO’s turned over then most. Go look it up.

          • Blue 3

            This administration has given the Republicans nothing to work with or for. Can’t vote yes or work to achieve bad ideas. What part of Obama’s agenda do you support?

          • bobnstuff

            You can’t blame the President for the bills in congress. The Republicans have had both houses for the last year and a half and have been even less productive then ever. I could list the problems that could have been worked on but why waste my time. All the House seems to do is hold hearing that have nothing to do with passing laws. If the Congress wrote good laws that helped the country the President would have had to sign them. If you car about what Congress is really doing and want to read the real bills instead of what the media tells you they are here is a link.
            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics

          • vietnam6871

            You fail at understanding that the Republican Party has just been changed forever (for the better). The RINO’s will all be gone within 2 more elections. The weakling, cave-in, members of the party who should have been screaming back at the Dems (as Trump now does) at least 2 generations ago must be GONE in order for the party to continue to be viable. Screaming back at them in their own words, removing their most powerful method of shutting down conversations they don’t want to participate in (for more than obvious reasons) is absolutely necessary. Without their ability to deflect that which hurts them, they are dead. The GOP allowed themselves to be browbeat. They have acted as if they are ashamed to be the GOP. They should have been forever telling the story of Lincoln (a Republican) who created the Emancipation Proclamation, of the KKK being exclusively a Dem organization, of Jim Crow being exclusively Democratic, of LBJ’s New Society that was created (in his own words) “to keep those effing Ni&&@%s voting Democratic for the next 100 years. The fact that his Welfare forces dependence where an unwed mother with multiple kids from multiple fathers and who is scamming the system (and they ALL know how) is better off than a hard working single mom making $54,500 a year. Why work???? Wean the Welfare recipients off of welfare over 2 generations and you can solve the problem of fatherless families and allow the classic 2 parent response to solving family and local community problems to once again be the norm within the black community. Black on black deaths will be nearly eliminated. With decent education (eliminate the Dept. of Education – but that is a separate yet important discussion) and with jobs other than slinging burgers available, the problem will solve itself.

            You sound just like a #nevertrumper so shut up and wake up. No matter what, Hillary will be disastrous, even compared to our current community organizer. Trump is far from perfect but he loves the USA. Hillary only loves Hillary and power which she considers synonymous.

          • bobnstuff

            Lincoln would be a Democrat today. You don’t have to go back very far to see when the parties flipped. Look at the parties in the fifties and sixties and you will see a much different party. Things began to slide with Goldwater but Nixon got things back on track for a little while. Reagan was the final straw that the party still hasn’t recovered from. The first George Bush was a little bit like the old party but he wasn’t strong enough to switch things back. GW was just a puppet and up until his last year or so and then it was to late. Clinton is closer to the old party then Trump.

          • vietnam6871

            I don’t disagree. We have the Democrats and the Democrat Lights. Clinton however is pure socialist, big government everything. She stayed married to an addicted womanizer, sex addict for one reason only – power. That scares the shit out of me. She is unscrupulous and vicious (just ask Bill’s rape victims), not someone I want in the White House. I wish it was someone other than Trump but, again, he is the lesser of 2 evils.

          • bobnstuff

            Do you understand what socialist is? Clinton is Wall Streets darling, not the type of person that makes a good socialist. Talking about rape my not be the best things since Trump has a number of people saying he raped them. I guess you don’t listen to what Trump says sleeping with married women. His child to his second wife was born four months after they got married. I can go on but you might want to look and see the Trump history as a player.

          • vietnam6871

            Clinton was enamored with Saul Alinski and it has not gone away. She will play Wall Street for everything she can (wrapping them all into “the ruling class”) but she wants the government to move toward Alinski’s ideal (such as single payer (government run) medical). It is the perfect Marxist move as she considers us nothing but the proletariat. Trump is no angel but he did not viciously attack multiple victims of his spouses’ cheating rather than leaving the philandering spouse. As I tried to explain before, we have 2 lumps of coal in our Christmas stocking. We get to burn one and use the other to remind us of our stupidity as a nation.

          • vietnam6871

            Hillary was enamored with Saul Alinski and that has not diminished. She will use Wall Street as part of “the ruling class” but her moves will be toward socialism. The single payer system (government run) is a perfect example. She will drastically increase the size of government as she considers it the best way to control us, the proletariat. Trump is far from an angel but he did not viciously attack the victims of a spouses philandering rather than leaving the philanderer. Bill was always her route to power and she will never stop her quest. She knew she could not make it without him. She gives a damn about nothing except her quest for power. So from the days of his AG of Arkansas when he regularly attended coke parties with invited high school cheerleaders to his method of hiding cigars in the oval office, she lived the humility and attacked the victims in order to get where she is. A woman possessed (anyone possessed) I do not want in the White House, Only bad things can happen. As I tried to explain before, we have two lumps of coal in our Christmas stocking. We get to burn one and keep the other as a reminder of our stupidity as a nation.

          • vietnam6871

            Hillary was enamored with Saul Alinski and that has not diminished. She will use Wall Street as part of “the ruling class” but her moves will be toward socialism. The single payer system (government run) is a perfect example. She will drastically increase the size of government as she considers it the best way to control us, the proletariat. Trump is far from an angel but he did not viciously attack the victims of a spouses philandering rather than leaving the philanderer. Bill was always her route to power and she will never stop her quest. She knew she could not make it without him. She gives a damn about nothing except her quest for power. So from the days of his AG of Arkansas when he regularly attended coke parties with invited high school cheerleaders (the only true evidence is the number of times he ended up in the emergency room from severe nose bleeds) to his method of hiding cigars in the oval office, she lived the humility and attacked the victims in order to get where she is. A woman possessed (anyone possessed) I do not want in the White House, Only bad things can happen. As I tried to explain before, we have two lumps of coal in our Christmas stocking. We get to burn one and keep the other as a reminder of our stupidity as a nation.

          • vietnam6871

            This site has removed this response twice. I wonder what nerve I hit to accomplish that.

            Hillary was enamored with Saul Alinski and that has not diminished. She
            will use Wall Street as part of “the ruling class” but her moves will be
            toward socialism. The single payer system (government run) is a perfect
            example. She will drastically increase the size of government as she
            considers it the best way to control us, the proletariat. Trump is far
            from an angel but he did not viciously attack the victims of a spouses
            philandering rather than leaving the philanderer. Bill was always her
            route to power and she will never stop her quest. She knew she could not
            make it without him. She gives a damn about nothing except her quest
            for power. So from the days of his AG of Arkansas when he regularly
            attended coke parties with invited high school cheerleaders (the only
            true evidence is the number of times he ended up in the emergency room
            from severe nose bleeds) to his method of hiding cigars in the oval
            office, she lived the humility and attacked the victims in order to get
            where she is. A woman possessed (anyone possessed) I do not want in the
            White House, Only bad things can happen. As I tried to explain before,
            we have two lumps of coal in our Christmas stocking. We get to burn one
            and keep the other as a reminder of our stupidity as a nation.

          • bobnstuff

            How much do you remember about 1971? Are you the same person you were then, have your views stayed the same. Is Hillary Clinton the same as she was back then. I don’t really care who she wrote a paper in college about and I’m pretty sure she has grown in her world view since the. Hillary was enamored with Saul Alinsky in the early 70’s. We did a lot of strange things in the late 60’s and early 70’s, It was a different time. As far as the idea that a single payer system for health care is socialist, what difference does it make. It works for the rest of the world and it works for a very large number of people in our country. Medicare is a single payer system. The insurance industry is ripping off our country along with the Drug companies. Something needs to be done about it. The republicans complain about the ACA but have you noticed they haven’t come up with a better idea. “We are going to repeal it and replace it with something better, we don’t know what but it will be better” I’m waiting. Bill Clinton my be a scumbag but he was a pretty good president. If you want to see what a saintly person does as president look at Jimmy Carter, a very good Christian. As far as Hillary going after the women Bill slept with at least she didn’t sue them.

          • vietnam6871

            I pay more attention to DC and I am not voting Dem or GOP. I am voting for something that hopefully will turn the establishment upside down. Both parties are pathetic. None of them want to attack what is killing us – Medicare/Medicaid, Welfare, Social Security. Unless they are fixed you can kiss this Republic goodbye. And Hillary has not changed. She firmly believes that big government is the answer, that she knows better than we do. I was in New York when she became Senator thanks to downstate – she did nothing. I watched her as Secretary of State and she made some of the worst decisions possible and has only tried to shift the blame since then. She is a pathological liar and she has been around long enough for us to know what we are getting, and not getting, with her and the negatives vastly outweigh the positives. Yes, Obamacare is self destructing, as it was meant to, so that single payer can be installed. Another area that the government should stay clear of – leave it up to private enterprise and you will get competition and lower costs with better service. The only way to try to control the insurance companies is through nationwide competition. Big Pharma is another story – way out of control. Get rid of the lobbyists, all of them. Jimmy Carter? Where did that come from? He was a bozo then and would be now in the same position. Thankfully he ended up where he could do the most good for the planet with his philanthropic, hands-on work. My hat’s off to him for that.

          • bobnstuff

            Carter is one of the most Christian man ever to sit in the oval office. A truly good guy but he wasn’t a great president. Our system for providing health insurance through employers doesn’t work and puts our business’s at a disadvantage in the world market. I’m a capitalist but I also know that we spend way to much money for what we get in health care.

          • vietnam6871

            P.S. Kennedy would be a Republican today.

          • bobnstuff

            No, I don’t think so, he supported social reforms that the Republicans are fighting. He might just be the first modern Democrat.

          • Blue 3

            How would destroying the middle class benefit them?

          • bobnstuff

            Control! Poor people are easier to control.

          • vietnam6871

            This response keeps getting removed so I moved it here hoping it will not be.

            Hillary was enamored with Saul Alinski and that has not diminished. She will use Wall Street as part of “the ruling class” but her moves will be toward socialism. The single payer system (government run) is a perfect example. She will drastically increase the size of government as she considers it the best way to control us, the proletariat. Trump is far from an angel but he did not viciously attack the victims of a spouses philandering rather than leaving the philanderer. Bill was always her route to power and she will never stop her quest. She knew she could not make it without him. She gives a damn about nothing except her quest for power. So from the days of his AG of Arkansas when he regularly
            attended coke parties with invited high school cheerleaders (the only true evidence is the number of times he ended up in the emergency room from severe nose bleeds) to his method of hiding cigars in the oval office, she lived the humility and attacked the victims in order to get where she is. A woman possessed (anyone possessed) I do not want in the
            White House, Only bad things can happen. As I tried to explain before, we have two lumps of coal in our Christmas stocking. We get to burn one and keep the other as a reminder of our stupidity as a nation.

  • otoman

    The only attempt that needs to be made to deport illegals is this. “When we run across them in law enforcement, they will be sent back.” To literally make an effort to find these illegals would cost way to much money and manpower. So why not just send them back when you find them, without looking? Instead of Obama’s catch and release program.

    • bobnstuff

      We need to change the laws to do that and so far the Republicans won’t do that. As it stands right now most illegals must be given a hearing before they can be sent back and the waiting list is 60 weeks long. If we keep them in jail while waiting it cost $140,000 per person deported. That’s a lot of money to hold a person that has committed a crime that’s on the same level as a speeding ticket. If we can prove that they jumped the fence it’s a $250 dollar fine and six months in jail and we still need a hearing. It’s not like Obama hasn’t asked for the law to be changed and we had a pretty good bill make it through the Senate but the House didn’t even look at it. Trump came out with the very strong send them all back without either checking his facts or caring that it couldn’t be done. He gain a lot of followers with his stand, Now reality is coming to light and he is moving away from his statements. Lets see how his followers handle it.

      • Paul J Sutherland

        I’m with Trump no matter what. He will do what’s best for America.

        • bobnstuff

          So it doesn’t bother you when he keeps changing what he stands for? I’m no a big Hillary supporter but at least I know where she stands and that it’s a pretty good chance that she will still stand for the same things next week. With Trump you never know. Johnson is looking better and better.

          • Rodney Steward

            Yep, we all know where she stands, and that’s what the senators, congressmen and the FBI is still trying to find out! It’s true, Hellary voters are uneducated and blind to the facts!

          • bobnstuff

            Trump likes uneducated people. The republicans like spending our tax dollars on witch hunts, There has never been a person as investigated as Clinton and they keep coming up empty. Now how many bodies do you think are buried in the cement of Trump’s buildings?

          • patsy

            she stands with whom ever she is speaking to at the moment

          • bobnstuff

            If you want to see where she stands you can go to her web site and see everything laid out as complete ideas and plans. On Trump’s site he covers six issues, on Clinton’s site she covers thirty six issues. Trump says he will make everything great but has no plan to do it, He must have a magic wand hidden somewhere because that’s about the only way I can see doing those things he is promising.

      • gvette

        Well Bob, your butt buddy Killary want to flood us with Muslims. If you knew what their long range plan is, you might be a little smarter.

      • granvillea

        You are grossly misrepresenting the laws as written and instead quoting administrative rules developed by Obama, all of which can be reversed as quickly as they were written, You sir are either a fool or a liar

        • bobnstuff

          http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html
          Obama is using his only power in this case, he can’t change the law but he can select how he enforces them. All law enforcement is done this way. He asked to have the law fixed but the Republicans will not do it.

          • granvillea

            He does not have either the power or the right to change the clear intent of the laws as written through executive order. Even a left wing judiciary understands that, but he chooses to far exceed his power and apparently as a left wing totalitarian you are happy with that. But just like the left wing Nazi’s, the equally left wing Communists and equally left wing Fascists of times past, freedom will in fact prevail and the far left totalitarians will again be the ones in the dust bin of history unlike what your communist teachers have mislead you with.

    • Evan

      Quit giving them welfare and other benefits and
      they will leave on their own! We owe these people
      absolutely NOTHING!

      • vietnam6871

        They will not leave. They are here to take over and there is no time frame to accomplish that, but there is a sworn duty to do so.

        • Rodney Steward

          And it’s people like us that took an oath to help prevent such BS from happening!

    • Teserra

      This is what Trump says…..our laws will be enforced. No more Obama laws. Just pray he wins!

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