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September 19, 2015

Presidential candidate Carly Fiorina is leading the GOP field in New Hampshire, a new poll finds.

A Voter Gravity poll released Friday shows Fiorina with 22 percent support among Granite State GOP primary voters. She has a 4-point edge over her nearest competitor, billionaire Donald Trump, who has 18 percent support.

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson nets 10 percent support, with the poll finding no other Republican White House hopeful cracking double digits in the first-in-the-nation primary state.

  • Nicolas Antonoff

    Equating the establisment bought and paid for stooge Fiorina (McCain camp follower about to come out of the amnesty closet) with Golda Meier , let alone Margaret Thartcher (The Iron Lady) is ludicrous and delusional, even if she is the establisment class last hope at stopping Trump and ensuring another election loss. These idiots have no clue re the Country’s dire condition after seven years of Obama Neo-Marxist Muslim inspired race based mismanagement. All establishment backers, what is left of them, need to do some real soul searching and listen with both ears to the people and decide are they blathering “conservatives” or do they really want to restore America’s vigor and all around supremacy and Make America Great Again.

  • nmasterson

    True if the woman was Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, or Michelle Obama. However, Carly is of a different ilk. She is more like Golda Meier and Margaret Thatcher. Another good choice for a possible woman President would be Condoleezza Rice.

  • Charlie Jordan

    Yes and a lot of women voted for Obama.. There will probably be democrats that vote for her..Ted Cruz for President.

  • April Manzano

    You are right Bernie. And I think this is what the GOP meant when they kept saying for bout a week that they are going to take Mr. Trump out by all means. I am upset with this statement and if anything happens to Mr. Trump I and many others will hold the GOP responsible. Also if they think Fiorina will beat Mr. Trump, they have it coming and that will be the end of the GOP. Fiorina has a big mouth when she joined and pushed Meygan Kelly to continue the argument with Mr. Trump, which I/we also think was encouraged by the GOP. GOP are desperate to make BUSH or Fiorina win, I think they are afraid they cannot continue with their plans and of continuing their plans as before – to carry forward with getting monetary support from their rich donors who dictate to them what to do. Many still dont trust women, besides it is most dangerous to give Killary Clinton a chance to beat Fiorina. She is evil, liar, dishonest, a murderer of Ambassador Stevens and four SEALS and others at Benghazi, and she cannot be trusted and will carry on with obama’s evil plan for America. The GOP are asking for Mr. Trump to establish a third party in which case if it happens, the GOP will no longer exist. But if it happens, it is GOP’s fault !! Thanks and GOD bless always.

  • bones1941

    Better be careful with her ! She is being back by the Establishment GOP ! She can’t turn this Country around with the elite GOP around her neck. She can help. We are a long ways out yet !

  • ADRoberts

    With all her faults and not being a real conservative, I am amazed at how desperate everyone seems to be to get someone is never been in the government before. Just a lot of “wanting” to be backing someone and no one really worth backing.
    Keep it up. The elite will have you so frantic that you WILL do it again and swallow their third installment of failures.

  • carpkiller

    Everyone should know all about her deal with Iran before they start singing her praises. She made a deal for I believe 100,000 computers while still at HP. The problem is ,that no one was suppose to be selling anything to Iran. She dealt with a terrorist,got top money, and broke the sanctions.This just one of many things you are not hearing about her that needs to be said everywhere.

  • wabbitno2

    I don’t think that a woman president would be a mistake, the man we have in office right now is a huge mistake. But I will say that Killary is not the woman
    to be president. I think Fiorina would be a great president.

    • Nicolas Antonoff

      Fiorina could not fight her way out of a paper bag ieven if her life depended on it (she can’t memorize that as there is no one in the Rino McCarty leaning establishment clique that can teach it to her).She failed miserably at HP and got made into mince meat at her senate try against Boxer in 2010. She has not said much about how she would build the Mexican wall, freeze illegal immigration (presumably she is in favor of McCain’s gang of eight amnesty based proposal), cut the $19 Trillion and counting Debt, or force the repatriation of the well paying American jobs the multinational crony capitalist firms and their Chamber of Commerce/Wall Street enablers have siphoned off en masse to China, Mexico, and all and sundry, nor does she have anything to say on how she would lean on US corporations to keep them from exporting jobs to Mexico et al to save on already fat profits. She does not have a clue on how to use US economic might in geopolitical confrontations and cannot expect to get away with memorizing a power point presentation on military issues into meetings with Putin, Xi or any other wannabe contestants for superpower status. She lacks the sense of striking the adversary’s jugular in these negotiations, as do the rest of the sorry establishment backed GOP candidates. You want to get things done, you get Trump. The rest are nonentities. Lock and load and move into the fray – we will finally have some fun in 2016 watching the miserable platitudes bleating (or braying) bipartisan Washington establisment cadres crawl for cover. Time to get real and Make America Great (Supreme) Again. Cheers

  • RescueKyron

    Wo-men need to do what no one else can do in their families, friendships, medical, educational and societal oversight and directives. Their activism there is critical to the world.

    Carly was a mother of a daughter who killed herself with drugs. It was Carly’s FIRST job to know what that girl was doing and who with… Carly was RESPONSIBLE for that child’s security in being loved and valued, and responsible for that child’s life and future. She REFUSED. She chose to be a businesswoman and save the world, to show the world her talents that would be better than any man’s ability in that position.
    Carly lost support from active American mothers.

    In her answer to debate question asked each candidate, she respected and identified herself with two fe-male figures.

    She chose the Lady in The Harbor, saying she was brave, strong, helping others by holding the light/torch to help guide the needy…

    The second fe-male figure she chose was the Statue of Justice, blindfolded to show equal justice, holding a weight scale in one hand and a sword in other hand held pointing down, at her side.

    She skrewed up THAT opportunity to give a realistic answer to that question; she skrewed up her job at HP, she sure skrewed up her little girl’s life… and BLAMED her death on prevalence of drugs.

    Not Presidential.

  • American

    In my opinion, the greatest threat to America at this time is Islam. By Islam, I of course mean the Islamic State, but also the civilization jihad that is raging in Europe and is well underway in the US; Muslims in government, setting both foreign affairs and national security policy, Muslims in our courts, easing in sharia law, Muslims in our schools and colleges, indoctrinating our children to Islam and easing in Islamic blasphemy law. Fiorina voiced a firm and well-thought out response to the ISIS threat, but has also fawned over the prior Islamic caliphate as a great civilization living in harmony with all religions – which is definitely not true – and is also soft on Islam in America as evidenced by her criticism of Pamela Geller on the Garland, TX incident as a provocateur as opposed to standing up for free speech. These are serious deficiencies in Fiorina that would prevent my vote. Fiorina is an intelligent, well spoken candidate, but we don’t need another Muslim sympathizer/supremacist in the White House.

  • Mark Davison

    Isn’t Carly OK with Sharia Law? Bad news if she is.

  • Sidney Porter

    What a joke, who in hell done this poll?I wouldn’t vote for this looser if she was the only one running, she thinks her shit don’t stink an a know it all that don’t know crap, an I have to agree with Mr Trump, she would make a Tran take a dirt road.

  • Bob

    Having a woman president wouldn’t bother me at all, but I do not want to see Carly in their. She laid 30,000 people off at HP so they could hire foreigners. That’s not going to help the US at all. Sorry folks.

  • Nicolas Antonoff

    Fiorina’s performance at the recent caffeklatch themed CNN TV drama that passed for a serious GOP presidential debate was typical of a high school junior presenting a theme paper committed to rote by dint of heavy cramming. It lacked conviction or political awareness. She failed the biggest challenge in her business career – to surmount her opposition on the HP board, which summarily dismissed her with a fat consolation paycheck. She has no position on the economic mess (19 Trillion Deb t to start with) nor the immigration debacle (though she probably will follow the McCain stpidity there too)She obviously spouts the McCain et al neocon Rino line on military spending, reciting numbers unrelated to the threat, which she has no real comprehension of – she just repeats what she was fed. If anyone sees her as capable of defending US national interests and prevailing in a geopolitical zero sum game confrontation with any of our wannabe superpower contenders (Putin, Xi), I have a brand new unused bridge in Alaska to sell them real cheap. Of all the candidates Fiorina most obviously wears the establishment purchse receipt around her neck – she could not last a month without that dole.

  • skrunyan

    Little know facts about the GOP darling Cary. She was part of the RINO GOP McCain team. Than’s right she is plugged right in to the McCain wing of the GOP. Pretends to be an outsider but she isn’t. Second she does not plan to deport. She is an amnesty queen in hiding. Third and more importantly she has flowery things to say about Islam. She like Bush professes the lie that Islam is the religion of peace. For one it is not a religion it is a THEOCRACY. It is not protected under our Constitution and it is NOT peaceful. It is a death cult that like to extend as much pain to those it kills whether it is man or beast. This theocracy will make Western women like the Saudi women. BOO Carly on all three accounts.

  • survivor33

    The crisis that this country is in right now is no place for woman president…Carly is a nice person but she isn’t strong enough to take over the mess Ovomit is leaving (and he’s not through yet) for her to clean up. We need Donald Trump because he is NOT a paid politician and doesn’t have to worry about his wallet and free perks like the policicians do. He is trying to help our country out of this mess and get us back on track…Don’t know why Carly was fired from CEO of Hewlett Packard but something is there that cannot handle what would be handed down to her.

  • john

    I’m listed in my husbands name, but I don’t want her she seems like a reverse male chauvinist to me. We don’t need a woman president with an attitude like hers.

  • KDC

    Hey 1776, discus..there’s more than one way to skin a cat…ha, ha! Jerks!

  • john jones

    Rubio for president and carly for v.p. we need carly to help with women voters that seem to be distracted by progressive left leaning communist college professors. sanders wants to make all college programs free for every body in this nation because that is where they teach liberalism and communism.

  • KDC

    Everytime I leave the site they delete all my comnents. Maybe I’ll delete their site. After all, why bother?

    • RescueKyron

      I’ve noticed same. 1776 better snoop their moderators and others with kill-buttons. They are very evil interlopers and insider destroyers of USA. Must be NeoconZionistCommies… that’s how they work. Show me the difference.

  • KDC

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    26 minutes ago
    This woman is bad news…Agenda21 supporter and in in 2005 she invested in a health care website similar to WebMD that touted abortion benefits and directed users to Planned Parenthood” so she’s not what she says or acts to be.
    Carly Fiorina is a major RINO trojan horse.
    She endorsed man-made global warming
    supported the left’s economically-suicidal “Cap-and-Trade”
    she supported the Dream Act (amnesty for children of illegal immigrants).
    she praised Obama’s “Race to the Top” program as well as “No Child Left Behind.”
    she said that Roe vs. Wade was a “settled issue,”
    And lots more…

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    28 minutes ago
    the former Hewlett-Packard CEO is “evil” and will do “anything she can to get ahead.” The listener contended Fiorina is a “political insider” and asked “why the media keeps hiding everything on her.”
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    KDC
    33 minutes ago
    Well, my whole comment got deleted. What ever happened to the 1st.Amendment?
    Anyways Limbaugh got it right, listen to what he says …
    Do not mistake this. Look, this is very, very important for everybody to understand. And the reason it’s very, very important, is this is how they (GOP, perhaps, but definitely the media) choose our nominees for us. This is how they choose our candidates for us, by making us think they like them,” the conservative talk-show host added.

    Limbaugh, who has helped elevate Trump’s campaign to frontrunner status with positive commentary about the real estate tycoon, continued to elaborate on his theory.

    “After this performance they’re hyping Fiorina, for a whole host of reasons, primarily to get rid of Trump. But the media is not ever going to like any of our nominees, and they’re never going to support any of them in a presidential election,” he said. “So it’s important to understand when you watch this, it’s not that they love Carly Fiorina. They love what supporting her now might enable to them to accomplish, and that is get rid of a Republican who can win. That’s what’s going on here. Not hard to see.”

  • KDC

    You know with all the vulgarity and crudeness that is allowed on this 1776 site, when someone has something valid to say without the crudeness, it get deleted. What it’s called is…Fascism.

  • KDC

    This woman is bad news…Agenda21 supporter and in in 2005 she invested in a health care website similar to WebMD that touted abortion benefits and directed users to Planned Parenthood” so she’s not what she says or acts to be.
    Carly Fiorina is a major RINO trojan horse.
    She endorsed man-made global warming
    supported the left’s economically-suicidal “Cap-and-Trade”
    she supported the Dream Act (amnesty for children of illegal immigrants).
    she praised Obama’s “Race to the Top” program as well as “No Child Left Behind.”
    she said that Roe vs. Wade was a “settled issue,”
    And lots more…

  • KDC

    the former Hewlett-Packard CEO is “evil” and will do “anything she can to get ahead.” The listener contended Fiorina is a “political insider” and asked “why the media keeps hiding everything on her.”

  • KDC

    Well, my whole comment got deleted. What ever happened to the 1st.Amendment?
    Anyways Limbaugh got it right, listen to what he says …
    Do not mistake this. Look, this is very, very important for everybody to understand. And the reason it’s very, very important, is this is how they (GOP, perhaps, but drains tell the media) choose our nominees for us. This is how they choose our candidates for us, by making us think they like them,” the conservative talk-show host added.

    Limbaugh, who has helped elevate Trump’s campaign to frontrunner status with positive commentary about the real estate tycoon, continued to elaborate on his theory.

    “After this performance they’re hyping Fiorina, for a whole host of reasons, primarily to get rid of Trump. But the media is not ever going to like any of our nominees, and they’re never going to support any of them in a presidential election,” he said. “So it’s important to understand when you watch this, it’s not that they love Carly Fiorina. They love what supporting her now might enable to them to accomplish, and that is get rid of a Republican who can win. That’s what’s going on here. Not hard to see.”

  • Pam

    Okay, I did a little research (typed into my search bar ” Carly Fiorina is pro-muslim). Clicked on three of the articles, “allen west”, “the faith” (which turned out to be a site where you can learn to be a “good” muslim LOL), and something called “chicksontheright”. I didn’t bother to click on the “media” links because just from the short excerpts I could see that the libs and the “establishment” repub./conservatives where skewing it to make her look as bad as possible.

    First, the context: This speech occurred not long after 9/11, fourteen years ago. Can we all remember how the MSM and PC crowd were IMMEDIATELY much more concerned about “backlash” and “profiling” of the “poor, misunderstood, muslims” than they were about the fact that we had just been attacked? Carly was CEO of HP and, as such, was bound by the multi-national business “rules of engagement” and PC BS. She was addressing a “tech audience”. This was the final segment of her speech:

    I’ll end by telling a story.
    There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.
    It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.
    One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.
    And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.
    Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.
    When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.
    While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.
    Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.
    And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.
    This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.
    In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.
    With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.

    The only mistake I can see is that Instead of calling it “the Islamic world” at the beginning, she should have just said “The Ottoman Empire and the Middle East”. Because, as she rightly states, it included Christians and Jews.
    We all seem to forget that the Middle East DID NOT start out as a Theocracy ruled by zealous nut jobs and that THAT TAKEOVER is basically what led to the destruction of the Ottoman Empire, completely halting invention and innovation and dragging their society back into the bronze age.
    So, in reality, this is a non-issue. Just another red herring. Because, seriously, what woman with an ounce of self respect and independence would EVER consider the present day muslim “religion” as something to aspire to?

  • KDC

    I’m a woman and this Fiorina makes me sick. She’s in the GOP’s pocket and will do their bidding. What am I saying? I’m saying she’s an Est.Rep. Not like the conservative she wants to portray. She’s got her hands in Planned Parenthood, in spite of what she’s acting like.
    In 2005 she invested in a health care website similar to WebMD that touted abortion benefits and directed users to Planned Parenthood”
    She’s also involved in Agenda21 and we know that’s NOT good. Congressional support for global governance will not wane on Carly’s watch. Agenda 21 and “sustainable development” are the new buzz words for “global socialism” through global governance and Carly sits on the Foundation Board at the mother ship.
    I think working for her would be someone’s worst nightmare.

  • swamprat1937

    I do not want a woman president, I do no want Ted Cruz or Jeb Brush – but I’ll take Ben Carson anytime.

  • David Stovall

    Kick Carly to the curb,, so the Muslims will like us.

  • victoriadelacy

    The recent poll done by Gary Bauer showed Ted Cruz in the lead. Being in a war with ISIS, and knhowing that the muslim world does not respect women, we need a strong may in the oval office to deal with that so as much as I admired Carly’s great stand against Planned Parenthood (she had a standing ovation from me for that), we can get equally good pro-life leadership from Ted so my vote goes to Senatror Cruz for President in 2016, to the rescuing of America!

  • victoriadelacy

    When Carly gave her answer about the need to defund evil Planned Parenthood, I wanted to give her a standing ovation. She has great ideas but we have to contend with defeating ISIS and the muslims of the middle east have no respect for women. We do have a patriot who not only has consistently been on the record for standing for our values but also recentl won the poll done by Gary Bauer as being tops in the polls and that man is Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. He will have my full support through the election next year and I pray that he wins, to thte rescuing of America on behalf of my 6 children, 10 grandchildren and 1 great grandson…and counting.

  • Bob

    She is not a career politician. But she has to much baggage. Not a women right now. I don’t care for Trump either. I do like Carson.

  • Bernie Lounds

    I agree ,that’s why they are giving him such a hard time.He has my support all the way.

  • Daniel C.

    As far as I’m concerened, the jury is still out. We have many months to go before we need to make a decision. I can tell you who I will not vote for, and that is another Bush, or Clinton. I think we have had enought of them. I.m not saying they’re bad, but……. REALLY? Though I like his ideas, I think Trump is a blowhard, and too much of a progressive. The only ones I would even consider are Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Fiorina, and Carson. Everyone else is a non-starter for me.

  • Robert Rios

    enubus, reggie, US army Retired and Bernie Lounds reminds me of that old saying “Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one”. And these four are assholes!

  • It is not hard to imagine 100 low paid (because they have just graduated colleges) Trump workers sitting around writing quips about Ms. Fiorina like writing messages for fortune cookies – meaningless but, read by the idle none-the-same. The perception is that Carly and or Megyn Kelly for that matter, are being crucified in the media – when it is 100 idiots sending out 100 opinions per person per day to any medium that will allow tripe on a regular basis. This makes it look like people are out there in rage against Carly or Megyn but, in hindsight it is all coming from one little tiny weanie place with no cover.

    • Peatro Giorgio

      Folks up an until this past second debate I had been a Trump supporter. Now having watched the debate it became clear the only thing Trump brings to the table is an ego larger then Obama . And that’s it in a Nut shell. In my humble opinion . The winners of that debate were Carly, Ted, Marco an Mike. All seven others took a huge dump. Especially Donald . He came unprepared, and hadn’t taken the time to become educated on any of the world politic issues. Donald has one thing an one thing only going for him. And That is the deep sitter hate of his followers of the politic establishments. With which I also have. I had hope Donald would have brought more then the same deep seated anger to the debate . But no he failed. And has for now lost me support. If an I do mean If he makes it into the next debate he better come fare more prepared.

  • US Army Retired

    Carly Fiorina like gas will to soon pass. America needs this woman for president about as much as we need Obama four more years. Remember Lucent and HP.

    • If Fiorina was a man, the chatter about HP would not be in the news. During the time she worked at HP the entire industry endured a massive melt-down and decisions have to be made in those times. It is far better to have 3,000 lay offs than 10,000 but, no one will count the 7,000 jobs saved. The shallow minded are the only ones who don’t understand that in times such as they were, the only way for a board to get the attention off of their poor performance and lack of willingness to take heed, was to project bad things onto another person. In an effort to make themselves look good, the weak and stupid will always stand on the neck of their opponent to cover their own failures. The only way they get to the top is by walking on others. Hey, US Army Retired – Ever ask why Trump’s business ventures went bankrupt four times?

      • Abby Sapp

        Prospect: You need to study up on Chapter 11 Bankruptcy and understand that it is merely a demanded court procedure and actually appears as a star in Trump’s crown, (the bills have to be paid and the Court must make the decisions) not a demerit, under the circumstances of the time and place.

        Making statements like that show your ignorance of the law and WHY! Read up on it, then come back in and state something worthwhile.

        • Peatro Giorgio

          Ignorance of the law is not nearly as evil as how low of a morality one must possess in order to use other people’s money . To profit off of in bankruptcy. If that the type leadership your seeking then you might as well reelected obama.

          • Abby Sapp

            Read this idiot! Pulling companies out of debt and reorganizing is what Donald Trump has done for a living most of his life. He had to pay the debt, not you, not the taxpayer .. it was just spread out over time and with the Court’s and Creditors’ agreement and direction. Then he can restructure the company!

            http://www.uscourts.gov/services-forms/bankruptcy/bankruptcy-basics/chapter-11-bankruptcy-basics

          • Peatro Giorgio

            You are a moron Chapter 11 reorganization allows for settlements as low as 1 cent on the dollar value moron. Now in business practices . Who Is the cost deferred to ? Why yes of course it’s the general public who pays higher an higher cost for those same services. Moron. Can’t extract the tiny little mind of yours from that ting little Box you dwell in moron. That is the very reason you support Trump single dimensional thinking always leads to down fall . Same reason we have Obama his supporters also dwell in a tiny little box .

      • Debra

        It’s a common business practice when you take over a failing operation bogged down in debt in order to bring said debt down to a manageable level.
        As for the HP bumble head, it’s not so much about the layoffs as it is about the miraculous recovery and the million dollar bonus good old Carly picked up.
        She’s corrupt.

        • Peatro Giorgio

          Donald did not buy failing corporation hell no he drained profitable ones an then used bankruptcy procedures to profit even more so. Now that shows a deep lack of ethics an zero moral compass.

          • EJ

            Exactly Trump built his companies himself. Did you also know that Trump,s debtors declared bankruptcies putting his companies in that situation?

          • Peatro Giorgio

            So what your attempting to say is if it’s good for the goose then it’s good for the gander.. I’ve read all I need to have read about Donald Trump. My opinion of him has wavered back an forth. Though my conclusion is this . He is not the man I shall vote for He lost my support this last Debate.Period. Ted Cruz is my choice That you can bank an bet on.

          • EJ

            Not sure what you are referring to as good for the goose, good for the gander because I don’t see anything to that effect that I have said.However, I can respect the last part, about making your personal choice.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            You seemed to have implied it was okay for Donald to file bankruptcy because his debtors placed him in that position. I disagree with your premises. Trump foresaw. A down turn in the profitability of those corporation an chose to gain from those loses through Bankruptcy courts. No I don’t think it was morally or ethically right. In fact I think The rules for Bankruptcy need vast improvement and should only be used as a last resort for those who can’t recover.

          • EJ

            A lot of laws need changes but as long as it is legal then it is the way it is.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            As the election laws in 2008 were so they are today Cruz is eligible. And he is truly the only candidate who shall stand up an fight for the Constitutional Republic And its Fixed frame work of laws found in the Constitution.

          • KDC

            We’ll, if it’s a deep lack of ethics, then perhaps it shouldn’t be the law, should it? How many others play the games out there ? Big business knows all the loop holes. Come on now.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Yes I agree . It should not be the law. But then again we are no longer a nation that values morals or ethics. Corruption abounds in even the smallest segments of our no longer civilized society. Maybe the next time around God won’t wash away the world but blow it completely to hell. Which seems like the most likely out come considering the morons in both establishments who are running our country.

          • KDC

            Peatro…there is no next time around with God. If you’re not right with Him, I strongly suggest you get right with Him. Christ provided the way all you have to do is accept it.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Christ is the way ; He is the only way. I walk in Faith, It is also true His yoke is Light, though at times seemingly to heavy a yoke to carry. He has never forsaken me. So With my last Breath I shall proclaim Him my King.

          • KDC

            That’s great. Then why would you say something so unscriptural ?

          • Peatro Giorgio

            What is so unscriptural about what I had written After all God’s words where He would use fire the next time. See Revelations. Nuclear weapons. First comes the sock wave then comes the Fire ball . Then comes the fall out radio activity. Could it be your not all that well read.??? When it comes to scripture. ???

          • KDC

            I’ll make it plain and simple for you. It’s what YOU said after all.
            ” Maybe the next time around God won’t wash away the world but blow it completely to hell.” Don’t you know He’s never going to wash away the world since after the days of Noah? Perhaps you mispoke.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Let God’s words speak to your Heart. Read Luke 17 :27 -30 Open your ears to hear and soften your heart to understand. If you need more convincing I shall let God provide the chapters an verses.

        • Richard Schwartz

          Debra: You didn’t prove your point. Carly has a record of cutting costs and eliminating waste. Will she be liked? No She will get control of government and chop the fat.
          She would be brutal. VA for example shows that bureaucrats can’t handle a performance oriented suition.
          A system is in place that can do it so why would you continue to have failure year after year? Because it is government run. how many billions with negative results? Just an example.

          • freedomoutpost ken

            The only thing she could accomplish, would be to cut the fat in Government. Fiorina’s support for Muslims would destroy all her good in cutting Government fat.

          • Richard Schwartz

            Bullshit walks and money talks. Waiting for your proof

          • richardjf

            Ozzie Myers, bullshit walks money talks. Ab-scam. Mike Myers was a new member of the house of rep. was from Filthadelphian Pa. He was set up by the FBI cause they knew he was dirty. Got caught an kicked out of House also did time.

          • freedomoutpost ken

            She will be a non-factor when Conservatives realize the liberal media is pushing for her as an alternative to Hillary. Fiorina is not ready for the big time yet and may never be.

          • KDC

            Agree with you, But, I don’t trust fiorina

        • Richard Schwartz

          Corrupt or a reward for a good job. How long does it take for implementation to bring results? Short term or long term? I say long term. She chopped 30,00 jobs and currently HP is doing the same thing. The job issue must have changed? It is okay to chop jobs now but not for her?

          • Debra

            Let’s get the zeros right…she chopped 30,000 American jobs according to the terms of the merger with Compaq. She collected a massive bonus and was fired. I do need to correct myself in that I said she was corrupt…she was INCOMPETENT and corrupt.

          • Richard Schwartz

            Deb: 30,000 jobs were cut. This past week the same thing happened. 30,00 will be gone. How long does it take for internal correction to hit the field? Corrupt equals a 1 million was a bonus. How did HP respond? Quite well. Most people think short term. The clean up take many years to occur. If you can’t handle don’t vote for her.

          • Debra

            She’s a RINO. I don’t vote for RINOs. She is also incompetent and corrupt. I won’t vote for her.

      • Larry

        Take the credit and shift the blame old polital trick

      • EJ

        Fiorina has been fired from every CEO position she has had. She caused the melt down and stock values dropped every yer she was in charge, but rebounded after she was fired. Did you forget that when she fired 3,000 workers she also boosted her own pay to $23,000,000 a year? These jobs weren’t lost they were outsourced to other countries just like her presidential campaign is outsourced. HP is firing 30,000 workers and demanding H1-B workers at lower costs to survive now. Did you happen to catch that she sold computers to Iran through a known proxy company in violation of the law? How about her support of Islam and admiration for the Ottoman Empire calling it the greatest civilization? Never mind that is was the most oppressive, brutal and murderous empire in history. What about her Marxist beliefs and operating methods that have destroyed investors stock value? Fiorina will self destruct when she becomes known and her past catches up with her.

        • Peatro Giorgio

          Your an Idiot plain an simple. Technologies was going through a market Bubble collapse. HP position in that market was tight on available revenue . As was many other Tech firms . There we only 3 other firms who’s profitable grew while several other filed for chapter 11 reorganization.

          • paulyz

            Who are you, someone in the Country Illegally? Or someone that wants another Liberal failure like Obama?

          • EJ

            Well you are a lost soul. Fiorina is just like Obama right down to Islam support. She is a democrat. In this country illegally? I am a vet that fought for this country, what have you done for your country? I would trust Trump to do what he says he will before I would trust any politician.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            I am also am vet having served in 2 branches of our armed forces. Trusting Trump is like you trust Obama . Ted Cruz for President , Carly for VIP.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Well I guess your Highly uneducated as to the derivatives of Latin names so I’ll give you a pass.

          • EJ

            Name calling, we know who might be an idiot now LOL You don’t have a clue about me. What makes you think Cruz is eligible? Have you ever read the constitution and federalist papers? Every CEO gives themselves a healthy pay raise in that situation, right? CEOs do not leave companies when they are not in trouble. Fiorina’s business style caused a lot of internal problems. So selling computers to Iran in violation of the Federal Law is a better option? Even with the illegal sales stock holders lost 40% of their investment and stock prices dropped the entire time she was with HP. Getting rid of Fiorina proved right. Why is HP demanding H1B workers now and releasing AMERICAN workers if she was right? You didn’t even mention her Islamic views and support.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Damn your inability to think beyond the political talking points is absolutely ridiculous. Ask yourself this question How many other nation an world wide corporation are down sizing. The absolute honest answer is every single one of them . No corporation is immune( Moron.)

          • EJ

            Your inability to not see beyond one issue is astounding. Who or what caused the economic crisis? How many times, if any did you vote for Obama? There are bigger concerns than just the economy, communist Muslim dictatorship suit your needs? What is driving down the economy is taxation, welfare, illegal Immigration and so-called refugees that burden businesses and the people.It is sad when people use the liberal tactic of calling others what they are first.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Damn your inability to comprehend what you’ve previously read is astounding. Take for instance I’ve previously Declared Ted Cruz to be my selection for president. For in fact
            He is the only Candidate who has stood up an stood out in Defense of Our Constitution . Now that you ” might ” understand just what that choice represents. You then might consider just how stupid you sound.

          • EJ

            Cruz is not eligible! He is not natural born no matter how you try to twist words. Carly is an Islam supporter just like Obama. I think you not understanding natural born is a big hindrance to taking you seriously.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            No I well understand ! What you fail to grasp is the meaning of the term Precedence. The Precedence has already been set for Obama’s father was never a citizen and The 1868 court decision so stipulated
            Father to be a natural born us citizen. You ignorant if you think Cruz is now disqualified, after a precedent has ALL ready been set twice in recent history. Truth is that is not how our constitution is suppose to work . But that is now how our government is working and the only means for actual correction is by means of all out civil war. So you go right ahead living in denial. I live in reality. With the hope that there are many more like myself willing to take up arms. Even willing to give up all I am an all I’ll ever have. But I do not see any such thing moving forward. As I had witnessed while serving this nation in 2 branches of our armed forces. So we see today the nation is filled with way to many loud mouth non contributing slackers.

          • EJ

            Just because the corrupt politicians turn their head knowing full well Obama is not eligible doesn’t change anything. people are sitting in prisons now for fetal murder because of some act that resulted in the death of an unborn baby and that charge is still applied today but abortion is legal despite the precedent. I can see a civil war coming and I am prepared to take up arms.

            What concerns me is his wife, though on a leave of absence, is a high level CEO with Goldman Sach. Remember the blatantly open bribes to congressmen to vote for TPP that Goldman Sach was part of offering and paying? I don’t understand why Cruz has refused to release financial information either. Cruz supported TPP until the XM Back was resurrected, which I give him credit for fighting. His wife should sever ties with Goldman Sach completely. Vote for who you choose and so will I, provided we make it to elections.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            I disagree I believe every senior officer of Goldman Sacks who was present during the financial collapse should be Prosecuted. Along with the vast majority on wall street and every head of every to big to fail bank. Cruz s wife stepping down would not profit anyone. O it would make you an some others feel good . Other then that nothing more.

          • EJ

            It would isolate her from the issues. Goldman Sach, Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae should have all been prosecuted. The next collapse is not far off.

          • KDC

            Okay, with your comment, all the more we need Trump!

          • KDC

            Laws were changed in 1952. Sure, they shouldn’t have changed anything, but since 1952, he’s eligible!
            Fiorina no way! One thing that probably caused internal problems is her personality. I can tell I’d HATE working for someone like her.

          • EJ

            I would hate working for her also especially with her Islamic praise. I am not sure how you mean the laws changed. He can be a citizen, but natural born is not addressed. My brother was born in England in 1954 on a U.S. military base and the paperwork was done to naturalize him. He needed that paperwork to join the military service and my parents were told then he is not natural born and could never hold the office of president.

          • KDC

            Currently, citizenship in the U.S. is governed by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. The most recent changes to statutory law was done by Congress in 2001. So since this most recent debate has circulated around Cruz, I am going to focus on one particular section… birth abroad to one U.S. citizen.

            There are a certain set of rules for those born after November 14, 1986, but I’m focusing on the rules at the time of Cruz’s birth, which are the rules that were in effect from December 24, 1952 – November 14, 1986. A person born abroad between those dates is a U.S. citizen upon birth if all of the following are true:
            The person’s parents were married at the time of birth;
            One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born;
            The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth; and
            A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.
            By these very definitions of the law, it would appear that Cruz is a natural-born citizen and thus meets the qualifications to run for president if he decided to do so. This also does one more thing, as well.

          • Jean Witte

            Amen! to your Ted Cruz remark!!! Carly is another subject.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            I think Carly would make an excellent VIP.

          • skrunyan

            BOO. She was on team McCain during his nice as pie campaign. She says flowery things about the death cult of Islam. She is for amnesty. RINO Trojan Horse all the way.

          • KDC

            Amen, Jean!

          • richardjf

            keep your eyes on BEN CARSON.

          • freedomoutpost ken

            On Cruz I agree, but not Fiorina.

          • KDC

            “…and so it goes in business”? Just not where Trump is concerned, huh! Cruz is a great guy!

          • Peatro Giorgio

            If your assuming I was willing to except different standards for Trump . You would be wrong. I was making a statement of what Trump had done . Not that I thought it to be Okay. I do not believe I had even implied such an opinion.

          • richardjf

            You say to EJ your an idiot plain an simple. No your the idiot Peatro. Why call him names if you disagree with him? His post you disagreed with that ok but the idiot thing wasnt called for.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            So then what would you say to someone who makes comments as if they are indeed facts with absolutely no foundational evidence to support his or her comments ,and further more making truly far fetched accusations. With zero supporting evidence. For myself I call as I see it. Bring at the very least some truth,ask question or remain silent.

          • skrunyan

            Peastro: What do say about her being on team McCain when he ran the looser campaign of being nice? What do you say about her stance on amnesty and her flowery words towards the death cult of Islam? I am not asking you to read an article and decide. Google her words. Go to her campaign and get the facts.You won’t like it.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            What I sat is this. She worked an lived among the world of progressive lowlife ‘ s therefore to be employed and live without acrimonious crap all around an on you some times Like the APOSTLE Peter He act and ate like the Jew’s but when he was with the Gentiles he acted and ate like the Gentiles , yes it is Hypocrisy. An the Apostle Paul corrected Peter for his actions. But we are all human an tend to protect our selves an out own interests the best way we can.

        • Richard Schwartz

          EJ: Lucent was in trouble from the get go. HP stole here from Lucent. Please get the whole story before you open your mouth. I did my research yours however is suspect.

          • EJ

            Stole her, she was in trouble at Lucent because of her leadership style. CEO’s don’t leave companies when they are doing well in the company. HP is still in trouble and is demanding HB-1 visa workers but the stock value stopped dropping every year and is higher since she was outed. That comes from research LOL

          • freedomoutpost ken

            Bottom line is both companies are worse off after she had control, even if they survived. That is a fact.

        • freedomoutpost ken

          The media will lay off of Fiorina until she wins the nomination and then all hell will break loose on her past and qualifications.

      • paulyz

        Why didn’t you mention all of Trump’s sucesses & jobs he created, the charity he donated, his love of making this Country great again?

      • Richard Schwartz

        Why is current leadership given green light for cutting 30,00 jobs and Carly isn’t? Why didn’t stock value go up? Teck companies were in the toilet for all. All stocks were down. Her days at Lucent must have been excellent or HP would never have hired her. This reporter by inference tell us HP board was mentally retarded for hiring her. As usual reporters have selective memory or said another way do us a disservice Half truths are as bad as a lie..

      • freedomoutpost ken

        Fiorina is highly overrated. A man with her history would be laughed off the Presidential stage.

      • KDC

        No, I think it goes beyond her being a woman. It’s because she’s running for president. However, I think working for her would be a nightmare. Sorry, I don’t like her! Just my opinion.

    • Debra

      I’m a woman and I strongly agree with you.
      Thank you for your service sir.

    • Evan

      If I am not mistaken, she is pro-muslim! That alone is
      reason NOT to vote for her!

      • Richard Schwartz

        One question. Who can we believe? Left tells half truths, Right the same and everybody jumps on the bandwagon. Remember half truths are worse than lies. Seems every article I read is filled with CRAP. A new star gets the royal treatment. What is Bernie’s history like? When I research a topic the only info I get is leaning left or right. She did this or that but isn’t factual just smoke and mirrors. Opinions are like rectums everybody has at least one. many have on at their mouth. Take any topic and the same problems occur.

    • KDC

      Lol.good one!

  • Bernie Lounds

    You guys might have to eat your words. A lot of women out there want a woman president and anyone is a better pick than Obama but the stupid democrats and blacks got him in there.I think a woman president right now would be just as big a mistake as Obama was.

    • Gnowark

      In a similar vein to “anybody but the junior senator from Illinois,” Fiorina doesn’t impress me enough to vote for her simply because she’s a woman. She has many impressive qualities, but not enough for me. Having said that, it’s a no brainer if she were to face hitlery, she’d have my vote.

    • paulyz

      The Establishment is trying to pick the winners by constantly trying to show someone other than a real Conservative, or someone that will actually change the direction of terrible direction of thus Country. Why they keep trying to bring Trump down, or Cruz. Why they like Bush also, but looks like he is too disliked, so they go with Fiorina. Don’t get me wrong, I would gladly have a woman for President but not just for the sake of being a woman, the media & left trys to divide by gender. I had supported Michelle Bachmann in the last election. As bad as things are in this Country under Obama & the Democrat/Socialists, I believe Trump is the only candidate forceful enough to change it back.

      • podunk1

        Well said. Bachmann was and is qualified. Fiorina simply isn’t. Cruz is by far better than the rest.

        • Jean Witte

          I have been wondering why Ted Cruz has fallen in the polls, and I read the other day that many of his deep pocketed donors dropped Cruz to back Fiorina…big, big mistake!! I hope they see their error and give Ted the support he needs to become our next president…I definitely do love and believe in Donald Trump, but I just can’t see him as president. We would have a wonderful conservative administration if most of these candidates earned a spot in it. We have one of the greatest line ups of conservatives in a long time and I am proud of all of them…just wish Bush would drop out!!!

          • freedomoutpost ken

            Most are not Conservatives, they just support some conservative causes, just as they support some progressive causes. Jeb as the best example, but he is just the leader of the bulk of the candidates.

          • Milton W. Lowe

            I agree with you…No more dynasties…Period!

          • KDC

            Carly Fiorina is a major RINO trojan horse.
            She endorsed man-made global warming
            supported the left’s economically-suicidal “Cap-and-Trade”
            she supported the Dream Act (amnesty for children of illegal immigrants).
            she praised Obama’s “Race to the Top” program as well as “No Child Left Behind.”
            she said that Roe vs. Wade was a “settled issue,”
            And lots more…

          • skrunyan

            I like you am sounding the warning on Carly. Re post what you said everywhere you can. She has said flowery things about the death cult Theocracy Islam too.

          • survivor33

            Actually I think Trump & Cruz would make a great pres/VP combo. They seem to really be the only ones that could handle the mess Ovomit will be leaving.

          • podunk1

            Good post. Cruz is on the RINO most hated list. RINOS control the media & and are the middlemen moving US manufacturing and capital into Maoist communist China. RINOS also blocked every effort to stop the government subsidized alien workforce invasion.

            There’s no difference between the absolute power & control strategy of Maoist communists and the monopolists enriching and empowering China for profit. The historical winner is another thing when one considers where the RINO wealth and power sits, and the fact that possession is all of the law whenever China decides to end the game! China knows they’re traitors & like-minded Obama wouldn’t save them if he could.

            August BLS work-forces determined by 1997/2008 12 year averages vs employed individuals adjusted to a 40 hour week, says joblessness/unemployment was 38,064,000 (22.8%), N OT 5.1%! Outsourcing jobs and in-sourcing criminal alien invaders is sabotage – TREASON! The annual BLS wages with 30% average employer tax/fringes, costs citizens $2.6 trillion!!! We have a president and congress that promotes outsourcing jobs, in-sourcing criminal alien workers, attacks the Constitution, endless regulations, gutting the military, out of control spending, looting, and lawlessness as NEVER BEFORE!
            Enforce the Constitution and fiduciary covenants thereunder and the $2.6 trillion economic generation will quickly restore the USA!

        • freedomoutpost ken

          My primary vote will definitely be for Cruz, the only true Conservative in the whole bunch.

        • KDC

          Agree…Fiorina is an agenda21 supporter and in in 2005 she invested in a health care website similar to WebMD that touted abortion benefits and directed users to Planned Parenthood” so she’s not what she says or acts to be.
          Carly Fiorina is a major RINO trojan horse.

          • 101Airborne

            Appears to be a spoiled bitch too me.. Absolutely nothing new coming from her that hasn’t been said months ago..

      • Milton W. Lowe

        You make very good points…the GOP will probably “muck” this election up just like they did 2008 & 2012…there are just to many Rhinos…

      • KDC

        they’re hyping Fiorina, for a whole host of reasons, primarily to get rid of Trump. But the media is not ever going to like any of our nominees, and they’re never going to support any of them in a presidential election,” he said. “So it’s important to understand when you watch this, it’s not that they love Carly Fiorina. They love what supporting her now might enable to them to accomplish, and that is get rid of a Republican who can win. That’s what’s going on here. Not hard to see.”

        • Carrie

          I completely agree, Fiorina is lacking when compared to Trump she dosent have his success or business expertise, many articles online refer to Fiorina as a rino and establishment also was on Mc Cain campaign as well, I would love to see a woman become potus but not Fiorina or Hillary, Trump is still the better candidate imho

        • 101Airborne

          Smart observation!!

      • Sidney Porter

        Well put, Trump is what we need an have needed for many many years.

      • podunk1

        RIGHT ON!

    • Agreed!

    • Jean Witte

      Bernie, I agree. Carly Fiorina is a great and powerful woman with a host of good ideas as well as being very well educated on most facets of American policies, but we need someone who is strong and gives the appearance of that strength and is extremely well versed in government policies and that one to me is Sen Ted Cruz. Time will tell, but we should be proud of the conservative strength represented in most of these candidates!

      • freedomoutpost ken

        Besides Cruz, what Conservatives?

        • KDC

          Come on, now, Ben Carson is definitely Conservative. Other than those two…

          • freedomoutpost ken

            Conservative on many things , but not all. I would vote for him and Trump, but neither is a true Conservative.

    • Liz

      Sometimes I think all the attention to a woman is because you know she would loose. I admire her but I’m not sure we are ready for her yet. Maybe after we get back our Country she could stabilize things.

    • Milton W. Lowe

      I agree with you…my gut tells me…

    • California70

      I have to agree with you. The Middle East only respects “force”. They have absolutely NO Respect for any woman!

    • Richard Schwartz

      Has anyone said what will be necessary to correct these problems in government? History shows us the big government fails. Never has a country succeeded with larger government. NOT ONE or they would still be dominant. As humans we are dumb as a rock. We keep repeat the same mistakes. History tells us we can correct or we will follow those before us. Please forgive me for going off topic but it had to said.

    • john

      Me too. Betty listed as John

    • Louis Baldovino

      A mistake only if it’s Hillarious Clinton. Carly Fiorina is a totally different kind of woman. She has INTEGRITY.

      • Sidney Porter

        Bitch Clinton want get the nomination to much dirt under the rug, she’s a treasonous her an Billy boy both.

    • Peatro Giorgio

      It all depends on the woman. I personal know a few woman who I would walk into battle with over many man. When it comes down to brain power ,intestinal fortitude, guts Unafraid ferocious. Though they do not reflect that in their nature , In their first appearance. Beauty an big brass balls metaphorically speaking.

    • Julia

      That would depend upon he woman, and nothing could be as big a mistake as Obama!!

    • donemyhomework

      I agree, she doesn’t know anything about Islam. And Islam is the number one threat we face.

    • J_R_K

      Welll…. maybe, maybe not… but one thing is for certain… if that woman president should end up being Hillary Clinton, that would be a mistake that would dwarf the mistake of Obama. She’ll be self-righteous, pontificating, communist authoritarian, anti-everything great about America on steroids compared to Obama. … as bad and despicable as Obama is, Hillary would take despicability to a new height that would make Obama’s despicability look like Tom Thumb by comparison. She may be the only person on the planet capable of making Americans miss Barack Obama.

    • 101Airborne

      JUST SOOO MUCH BULL SH–!! THE MEDIA TRYING TO FORCE THEIR CHOICES ON THE PUBLIC AGAIN!! FOX NEWS ALL OVER AGAIN!! WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?? FIORINA HASN’T REVEALED A THING THAT HASN’T PREVIOUSLY BEEN SAID AND YET THEY CLAIM THAT SHE WON!! WHAT DEBATE??? THAT WAS A CLOWN FEST !!!

  • Sylvester Jones

    Yeh right.

  • reggie

    How much did Fiorina pay for that poll? That is one ugly woman in more ways than one.

  • enubus

    LOL! What a load of BS Polling. Horseface is no contender! Just remeber HP and Lucent and she was out of work for 10 years!

    • KDC

      …LOL..horse face…lol oh, I almost choked with laughter. That caught me totally off guard. Stop it!

    • skrunyan

      No she worked. She worked on the McCain campaign. Worked for the RINO GOP. Just what we want right?

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