Senate Republicans complain of chaos in healthcare effort

July 21, 2017

Trump holds a healthcare meeting with Senate Republicans at the White House in WashingtonWASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Senate Republicans, scolded by President Donald Trump for failing to overturn Obamacare, tried to salvage their seven-year effort for a new healthcare law on Thursday, but leading senators indicated frustration over shifting goal posts.

Trump on Wednesday told the Senate’s fractured Republican majority to revive a bill to repeal and replace Obamacare that collapsed on Monday after Republicans from both moderate and conservative factions pulled their support.

But after a late-night emergency meeting on how to win over holdouts appeared to yield no progress, senators expressed irritation.

“It really is starting to feel like a bazaar, $50 billion here, $100 billion there, and I feel like it’s losing coherency,” Senator Bob Corker said.

65 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • ToniStimmel says:

    That 7 year effort had nothing to do with developing a healthcare system to replace ObozoCare much less a scheme for a smooth fair and transition from ObozoCare to the new system. During those 7 years the republicans just sat on their hands and bitched thinking they’d just go back to the previous system which didn’t exist in the scorched earth ObozoCare left in its wake.

    In those 7 years they didn’t even think of a meaningful title for such a bill, they didn’t even realize they would need such a bill. And no one wanted to think of the demonstrated hazards of allowing an insured patient and his insurer to pay the healthcare provider less than a cash-on-the-barrel-head patient.

    There is no rational reason to expect the healthcare insurance industry to even maintain the cost of healthcare much less reduce it.

  • nokabosh says:

    They need to set the Medicaid issues aside for now. Then repeal what’s left of ObamaCare. The House & Senate bills provide $130 B or so to help those with pre-conditions. After the $130B is gone make it clear that the time to buy insurance is when you are well. This will let everyone else buy what they need at reasonable prices, and get the 40 Hour work week back.

  • Lorraine E says:

    Politicians have absolutely no right to create a health care system for our country. President Trump should use an Executive Order to end obamacare immediately and return the entire responsibility for health care to the states and allow we, the people, to create a system which will work for everyone. Washington D.C. politicians are incapable of creating a health care system and will view its creation as an opportunity to skim money off the top of every aspect of health care for themselves. American citizens are much better able to create a workable plan for our health care.

  • metheoldsarge says:

    HEY RINOS! If you and the rest of the GOP were sincere, you would have started working on a replacement to Obamacare after the election in November. Better still work on it for the last six years of the Obama Administration. You obviously didn’t do either. Forget about fixing or replacing it. Just get it repealed like all of you promised last year and worry about a replacement later.

    I wish you RINOs, in the House and Senate, would get it through your thick boneheaded RINO skulls that Trump and most of your fellow Republicans were elected and/or reelected to repeal Obamacare. Not try to fix it or amend it. Repeal was one of the highlights of the 2016 campaign.

    The voters do not want a watered down, quick fix, throw together, doctored up, Obamacare band-aid that you and the rest of Congress will, most likely, exempt yourselves from. Even Senator Cornyn admitted that there was no intention of repealing Obamacare in the first place. Starting to look like the promise to repeal is turning into a barefaced lie. Convince us that the alternative to Obamacare, that you Republicans claimed to have had in 2009, wasn’t also a barefaced lie.

    I’m not saying anything new here. Just saying what needs to be said over and over by a lot more people. If Obamacare is not repealed, we will have a major promise broken. Remember when George H. W. Bush said “Read my lips” in 1988? We all know what happened in 1992 as a result of that broken promise. You RINOs can kiss reelection good-by. The voters will give the Democrats full power over Congress next year, and kick Trump out of the White House by January 2021. In the meantime the people will be left holding the bag. BOHICA!

  • Mercedes Waggoner says:

    Senator Bob Corker: “… I feel like it’s losing coherency,” Whose fault is that? Are our Senators lemmings doing a Chinese fire drill? Corker has a voice … everyone on a team has a role; everyone should play it.

    Suggestion: Divide AHC papers by number of Senators and their available staffs that can understand bureaucratic gobbledygook. Review, separate
    anything of remote merit from the balderdash; keep the former, or translate and cancel the latter after group consultation

    PS. Eliminate this plan’s major flaw; some buzz words defy explanation and
    make law firms rich, and procedure would also work if the DC folks ever get around to a real comprehensive immigration policy and IRS rewrites.

  • Big Ed says:

    Ann Coulter issued a one page bill to fix healthcare in America. The first item in the bill was to repeal Obamacare entirely and it specifically stated that the ACA and all its provisions were dead and gone. The second item in the bill stated that all healthcare would be handled by the free market practices used successfully for the past two hundred plus years in the US. According to her, this would take care of over 95% of the healthcare needs of the entire US. Then, to accommodate the few who are listed as having pre-existing conditions she attached them to Medicaid. And, it was stated that the only way to have a pre-existing condition is to get sick while you haven’t got insurance. It is sick that someone wants to live life without insurance and then claims fowl because they got sick and now had no insurance. A one page bill which totally handled healthcare with the government out of the picture.

  • Tiger says:

    Let me wrap my mind around this.
    For 8 years Republicans told us they passed a bill to repeal O care but O vetoed it.
    For 8 years they told us they had a replacement for O care.
    They told us elect us and we will take care of it.
    We elected them and now we find out they lied.

    This is how I see it. I know millions see it like this. Know what else I see, bet millions do also, there is no Republican Party or Democrat Party there is only the One World Order Party.

    That Swamp if not drained now never will be.

    1. metheoldsarge says:

      Do you really believe they were serious about it? They are all politicians. That means they are all liars, crooks and cheats. If they aren’t kissing babies they are stealing their candy. They have their hands in everyone’s pocket but their own. Senator Cornyn admitted that there was no intention of repealing Obamacare in the first place. Starting to look like the promise to repeal is turning into a barefaced lie.

      Remember when George H. W. Bush said “Read my lips” in 1988? We all know what happened in 1992 as a result of that broken promise. Trump and the rest of the RINOs can kiss reelection good-by. The voters will give the Democrats full power over Congress next year, and kick Trump out of the White House by January 2021. In the meantime we the people will be left holding the bag. BOHICA!

      1. Tiger says:

        Of course not, I know the score.

  • duncmck says:

    dump it..never existed..huge knots to unravel ..of course!! better that turning the USA into a banana republic..mountains of evidence makes this a known fact..create fierce competition in the market across state lines..what is this idea that insurance is a mandate? driving is a privlage and responsibility.that is one thing?.being born and having big brother take over your health is psychopathic(example).it’s like saying if i don’t have milk in the fridge you’ll die…wake up!! these social paradigms are contrived consensus derived from a culture that is being engineered into the borg collective..aka. marxism..this is beyond political ideology..sovereignty of the individual is predicated upon cosmic laws that go way beyond civil law..most pain and despair in the world come from the power hounds that are obsessed with organizing everything they can in order to feel safe and in control..they(elites) are the butterfly that creates a hurricane aka. evil..imo

  • Jmanjo says:

    The senators that are having problems approving the new version healthcare need to get together and decide what they can live with in the interim and pass the bill. Nobody ever gets everything they want so there is no reason to deprive the nation of everything else in the bill.. Obama care is so damn bad it has to be repealed! You suckers have waited for eight yers for this chance and now you are blowing it for everybody! Perhaps this is why you have been so off center these years. Get your head out of the dark and get it done. WE respect your good intentions but you are not winning our respect anymore!

  • CBUJAN says:

    The democrats and the rino’s of the republican party are the ones that are stopping Progress in congress. They do not want President Trump to succeed. Because if he does succeed it will change Washington ( like he has said drain the swamp ) forever and this is why the career politicians are doing what there are doing. With Kid Rock announcing that he’s going to run for the senate this has the establishment shaking in their boots. If President Trump somehow get things done I believe more and more business men and none politicians will run for public office. And this is not what career politicians in Washington want.

    The career politicians in Washington are afraid of President Trump. Most career politicians are lawyer’s and have no business experience at all. And if the President succeeds they will lose all their connections that put money in their pockets, I don’t think I have to explain how I’m sure you all will understand. For example, take Harry Reid when he first took office his total worth was 35 thousand dollars, now after years in congress he retired not too long ago and now is worth 22 million dollars. Now how does this happen? Well without getting into it you and I know how.

    President Trump has been a welcome relief to the American Patriots of America and with all the negative being said about him by the lying media, democrats, and the Rino’s of the Republican Party and here is a list of them Senator Caputo, Senator Collins, Senator McCain, Senator McConnell, Senator Alexander, Senator Portman, Senator Moran, Senator Graham and Speaker Ryan. These people do not want our president to succeed for the reasons I have stated above, these very people work for their party and their way of life. They do not work for America and its citizens, but keep fighting we the people are behind our President 110%.

    1. duncmck says:

      bravo !!!! i don’t have the civility you do..i’m pist off..i have to keep reminding myself that i’m falling for the setup of the hegelian dialectic..aka. divide and conquer,brought to you by the media /washington /and the social engineers of the elitist class pushing cultural marxism.

  • DrBillLemoine says:

    ‘Some’ complain??? When you dump regular order for ideologues Ryan and McConnell drafting of anything behind closed doors, you are bound for failure–and chaos. America yearns for change, but not in governmental processes that affect most of the population. Are you listening, Jerod Kuschner, credited with governmental revision portfolio? How about you Oval Office inhabitants otherwise. How about the rest of congressional members who caved so easily to authoritarian (or insert ‘fascist’) governance? This is America. We are not Russia yet, nor Venezuela, nor Israel or Turkey. Take a hint.

  • Webb says:

    “It really is starting to feel like a bazaar, $50 billion here, $100 billion there, and I feel like it’s losing coherency,” Senator Bob Corker said
    One Of The problems In Congress…Buying Votes!
    Remember The Corn Husker Kickback and The Louisiana Hold-up by Landrieu when Obamacare was being Passed…
    $20 Trillion N/D Now and Tomorrow $30 Trillion, it never ends…
    Repeal ObamaCare, Forget It and Move On….

  • thomas givens says:

    What do you expect? The Osama Hussein time in office 8 year will take at least sixteen to clean up the socialism he started. There will be chaos until we find the solutions. The SWAMP is still being drained. Give healthcare to the private market and retain social security. 20,000,000 of the 47,000,000 on food stamps will never pay for any type of insurance. These are the bottom dwellers that live off society.

    1. Bob S says:

      All because Obama and the dems think there should be no downside to being poor.

    2. Mercedes Waggoner says:

      Unfortunately the President was unaware how deep the swamp is.

  • PatriotGal says:

    Anyone holding repeal of this monstrosity for a porkbarrel payout should be stripped of their seat in Congress immediately, forfeit all salaries and golden parachute benefits forever. That is nothing more than criminal and we the taxpayers are the victims once again!

  • Darlene Flores says:

    Rino liars. Join the Dems who keep losing seats because you can no longer run on fake promises.

  • The government needs to get out of health care entirely. Let the free market decide which are the best health insurance policies. Let insurance companies sell insurance across state lines. Let competition work in the market place. That is capitalizen.

    1. Jeanne Stotler says:

      Fully agree, HEALTH CARE is between, medical personel and patients/ and their family,Health Insurance should be between the Company and the client or what you get through your employer. This has risen cost for doctors who have to worry about which Insurance pays for what, We had a system where we, the patient paid for regular visits, inocculations etc. then Insurance paid for emergencies, surgeries and hospital care. It kept cost down and it also kept people from running to ER or family MD with every sniffle. I, as a Nurse, avoided waiting rooms with my kids unless it was for shots and check-ups.. More germs transferred for colds etc. there, than any where else, a cold will run 7 days regardless of treatment. Big Corporations are also raising cost, by buying up Hospitals and medical practices and from my experience this is horrible. As a patient I saw first hand, more violations of GOOD MEDICINE, than I could have dreamed of, no wonder MARSA and other diseases are contracted in the Hospital, some even are fatal. Lets go back to practicing GOOD MEDICINE, and making it affordable and out of the hands of the Government and big Companies.

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    2. Tiger says:

      Patrick Thomas you are correct and right on.

    3. metheoldsarge says:

      I agree. The government needs to stay out of the health care business. They also need to keep their noses out of the private business sector all together. When ever they get involved in meddling in private sector business, it becomes a complete disaster.

    4. ToniStimmel says:

      That sounds good but what about all the working people who have had part of their paychecks stolen in the name of Medicare since the ’60s?

      That’s like the wisdom of, “The drowning man needs to get out of the water.”

    5. Bob says:

      Have you noticed that for the past, what, 4 decades liberals have been yelling from the rafters for the government to “keep their hands off our bodies”. They demand that the government not make “woman’s health” decisions. Yet in the same voice, they decry any who would dare to pass laws to get the government out of the abortion business by not funding abortions, thus getting out of the “business”. Now, these same liberals are demanding that the government decide for both sexes what health care you will have and that you will pay for it or be taxed. More importantly, they are allowing the government to ration the health care allowed by having bureaucrats and not medical personnel decide what you can and can not have. And, again, these are the same one who screamed from the heavens if Health Insurance companies would do the same. Convoluted decision making at it’s best.

  • Humble Servant says:

    The people we elect to lead us were never suppose to run a health care business. This is above their intellectual abilities and as such it should be left to the individual. Stop trying to provide a system for everyone and provide guidelines to protect us from institutional malpractice. You cannot fix this and this is the second group that thinks they can. This proves the answer is bigger than all of us, so let US do what is in our best interest and just protect us from the thieves.

    1. Lawrence Passmore says:

      Humble servant you are right on the mark.

  • Pete says:

    Repeal completely with an end date one year from October. The fix will then be on the back of the RINOs up for reelection next year.

    1. bobnstuff says:

      You do know if you take the so called RINO’s the independents and the democrats together they make up over 3/4 of Americans. Also those so called RINO’s are elected by their voters over and over again which means they are supported by them. So in case you don’t get it the reason the far right wing of the party can’t pass a bill is they don’t represent the majority of the people. In the case of the ACA the majority of Americans want it fixed not replaced.

      1. Bob S says:

        …and yet we have Trump. Go figure.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          When only 54% of the voters show up and then less then half voted for Trump I wouldn’t say there is much of a mandate. Also figure in just how many people voted against Clinton and you get what you are seeing, a President with very little power to get anything done. If every single person voting for Trump were far right wing conservatives you still get only 27% of the electorate or as I said 1/4.

          1. Bob S says:

            That’s bs. The Republicans run the house, senate, and presidency, they can do whatever they want until election day. So where’s the power shortage?

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Wrong, Senate rules are set up so they need 60% to bring a bill to the floor unless it to change something in the budget. The Republicans will not change that rule because if the loose the senate they would be in the same place as the democrats today and want that same power. That’s why the can’t do a clean repeal of the ACA.

          3. Bob S says:

            The Obamacare’s health insurance regulations are “terms and conditions” of government spending. Senate rules allow the Senate to repeal the terms and conditions attached to government spending, along with that spending, by a simple majority. If the Senate removes all Obamacare spending from the federal budget, Senate rules allow it to remove those regulations as well.

          4. bobnstuff says:

            Not all the bill falls into the spending so it can’t all be repealed, no clean repeal as Senator Paul wants. They can’t repeal it all.

          5. Bob S says:

            Did you read the article you linked?
            To recap: The House could pass a one- or two-provision reconciliation bill protected through the normal process against minority points of order. The Senate could then take up the House-passed bill, thus bypassing its own jurisdictional hurdles. The Budget Committee chairman, using CBO numbers, could then show that Obamacare repeal, properly defined and properly scored, would reduce the deficit. The bill’s provisions would be clearly budgetary, as they would affect trillions in federal spending and revenue. In this scenario, the parliamentarian would have to break with past precedent if he wished to deny the Senate’s ability to pass this bill as a reconciliation bill, with only 51 votes needed to send it to the president’s desk.

          6. bobnstuff says:

            The Rules committee are not buying the idea that the non budget items can be repeal with everything else, you can’t get rid of all of it. CBO numbers aren’t working in their favor. You see there is a problem. Because of the new taxes passed in the bill you don’t decrease the deficit by repealing it. Also if you noticed in the article the House must first pass the right bill which they haven’t and can’t. As I said the rules committee has blocked any clean repeal. As the article said it would be very hard to repeal it and things have gotten harder since the article was written. Thank you for reading the article, most people here don’t bother. It really doesn’t make any difference since there are a number of republicans that can’t vote for the bill because it will cost them their jobs.

            My problem with this whole thing is peoples live are going to be negatively effected if something isn’t done soon and it doesn’t look like congress is thinking about the country as mush as about politics. Healthcare is a mess in our country and there is no good reason why it should be. Other countries have figured it out but the United States can’t get its act together. A country that was once a shining light on a hill has become the laughing stock of the world.

          7. Bob S says:

            The Republican congressmen need to grow a pair and do the right thing, repeal Obamacare .
            Get the government out of healthcare, they’re screwing it to hell.

      2. Bob S says:

        Like the guy said in the interview….now that 20 million more are insured you can’t take away the free insurance because that’s not right. Everybody is for free stuff. Unfortunately, it’s not free and I bet if you took a poll asking if working Americans should be forced to buy insurance for the less fortunate you’d get a different result.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          You seem to be under the impression that it’s just those getting free insurance that will lose it. There are also even more who are paying for part or all that will no longer be able to afford it. Most likely even you would feel the effect if the ACA went away. One effect will be the closing of hospital and healthcare providers. They say in Pa alone 190,000 jobs will be lost under the republicans healthcare law. Unless you live near a major city you could lose you local hospital. Also you costs will not go down unless you are young and healthy. You will notice that the repeal does nothing to control costs for you but takes a lot of the controls of the insurance companies. You will see no tax savings unless you are very rich since in fact you are not the one paying taxes to support the ACA, you will get worse insurance and gain nothing except the pride of taking insurance away for others.

          1. Jan says:

            I am paying for it out of my pocket. My “affordable” insurance has a high deductible and doesn’t pay for rxs. It is horrible insurance. I was better off without insurance. I could negotiate payments for services and could get my rxs from companies at a much lower cost. I’m one of those not rich enough to live well but not poor enough to get all the freebies. There are many more like me out there.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Just wait, if the republicans get their way things will get worse for you.

          3. Mercedes Waggoner says:

            We went offshore for procedures that with airfare were 66 percent less than here … could get RX for cures the FDA is still evaluating … my husband spent five days in intensive care with 24/7 monitoring for a TOTAL $500 bill.

          4. Bob S says:

            Well then it appears that we can’t repeal the ACA because the oceans will rise and the sky will fall. Let’s make this clear, health care is in the state it’s in because of the government. Name another government program that works… efficient and achieves it’s goals.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Medicare, Social Security, the Interstate Highway system, The FDA, the CDC, and a large number of others. Healthcare is in the state it is because of greed.

          6. Bob S says:

            Medicare and Social Security are efficient and meet their goals? Don’t make me laugh. Interstate highways? What about all the failing infrastructure? FDA…..


            There’s greed in every industry and business. The healthcare industry is in the shape it’s in because of government.

          7. Bob S says:

            But to stay on topic, you said 3/4 of Americans are for ACA, and I say it’s because everyone likes free stuff until they realize that they are the ones who are paying for it.

          8. bobnstuff says:

            Most people do not get free insurance because of the ACA. In fact if you think about it it added 20 million people to the ranks of the insured or about 6% of the country. As far as who is paying for it most likely you aren’t one of them. This bill was funded when passed by raising taxes on the rich. So if it’s supported because of free stuff it’s the giving of it not the getting of it.

          9. Bob S says:

            Oh, that makes me feel much better knowing that I’m not paying for it. So count me as one of the folks who is for free stuff because I’m not paying for it…… the government is forcing someone else to pay for it.
            Way cool!

          10. bobnstuff says:

            In case you didn’t notice the very rich are getting richer at the expense of the middle and lower middle class. They are taking a larger and larger piece of the pie. I have no problem getting a little of that money back. You are right they aren’t spending money used to go into business and in fact they are sucking it back out. The profits that once built new factories are now going for stock buy backs and bonuses. While the rich are making more and more money the middle class is staying the same or getting less.

          11. Bob S says:

            I’m not really concerned if the rich get richer. Where does the money go? In a stock buy back the money goes to stockholders, a bonus goes to an individual employee. Do they squirrel it away in hole in their yard? No, the money stays in commerce…it gets spent and when it does, less well off folks get jobs. You act like a rich guy building a house only benefits the rich guy.
            And you should be ashamed of yourself. You’re not getting a little money back. You’re using the government to take it. In most societies when you take something that isn’t yours, it’s a crime. So stop justifying your crime by implying that the money you’re stealing was ill gotten.

          12. bobnstuff says:

            A lot of that money doesn’t stay in commerce, it leaves the country or goes into government bonds. We are not investing in our manufacturing, instead we export it to places like China. It creates no new jobs in our country. They are getting that money by not paying the very people who create the wealth for them. Have you not noticed the fact that the middle class is shrinking? My question to you, is it socialist to believe a worker is worth his wages. Should people be paid a far wage for their work or should they be paid as little as possible?

          13. Bob S says:

            Then the government should make it attractive to reinvest money in the US by lowering taxes on profits. Forcing healthcare on the citizenry is chasing investment away.

          14. bobnstuff says:

            Wrong it’s increase the tax on money taken out of the company as profit but let them reinvest and depreciate the investment. It worked before.

      3. Lawrence Passmore says:

        bobnstuff that’s because 3/4 of the idiots is either getting a govt. check, food stamps or are just stupid

        1. bobnstuff says:

          You did like to make up numbers and facts. Sounds good until you look at facts.

          1. Olaf Thunderfoot says:

            Scroll up sparky, you brought up the 75% or 3/4 or .75 number.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            12% support repeal.


            20% supports repeal in this one.

            As far as the 75%
            25% republican as of the latest poll.

            In Congress 70% of the republicans support repeal and replace, or only 30% of congress.


            25% republicans with most people independent.

          3. Olaf Thunderfoot says:

            Why do you insist on posting fake news/alternative facts sites? gallup said Trump would never get the Republican nomination and then they claimed killary would win. You have nothing credible to post, I am done with your stupidity on this thread.


          4. bobnstuff says:

            Why did you post a out of date piece of history. January 2016 was a different time.

  • Patriot47 says:

    RINOs will be introduced to irritation next year. We see right through your BS and raise you a lost election.

    1. Louisiana Lady says:

      Yes, the RINOS need swift exits from office!

    2. retired4ever says:

      Are you really admitting you lost? Wow, you obviously are NOT a true leftie, just leaning.

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