Trump says time to ‘let ObamaCare fail’ after health bill stalls

July 19, 2017

President Donald Trump Signs Executive OrdersPresident Trump said Tuesday he’s prepared to “let ObamaCare fail” after the collapse of Senate Republicans’ latest health care bill, indicating he’s willing to move on to tax reform and other issues – and deal with an Affordable Care Act fix down the road.

“I think we’re probably in that position where we’ll just let ObamaCare fail,” Trump told reporters at the White House. “We’re not going to own it. I’m not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We’ll let ObamaCare fail, and then the Democrats are going to come to us.”

He spoke after two more Republican senators came out late Monday against the Senate bill, effectively killing its chances in its current form. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., plans to call a vote on a bill to repeal ObamaCare now and replace it later, but on Tuesday afternoon left the door open to working with Democrats if that fails.

362 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • dmttbt says:

    I trust that you are smart enough to not believe everything a politician says because what they say and what they do are often opposites.

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  • Bob says:

    It’s really not hard for “Chump” to fail. We watch the Orange Blossom, Tax Evader, Pervert, PutinPuppet, Draft-Dodger FAIL EVERYDAY. Actually, I’m getting tired of counting all the FAILURES. He’s the perfect Republicon!!!

  • Lorraine E says:

    President Trump should use an Executive Order to just cancel obamacare. The nation would survive very well and Americans would create a new and better way of administering health care if they were not hamstrung by obamacare and meddling by Washington D.C. politicians.

  • Richard Bagenstose says:

    all i can say if trump signs another spending bill with funds for the aca , he’s a fool,1 month left till time for the next spending bill , see if he signs it or not,

  • justinwachin says:

    Sometimes the best way to deal with a bad idea is to step back and let it become a total failure. That is the only way for its supporters to acknowledge that the idea/program/etc. is not workable. If Congress phases out the subsidies this will happen much more quickly.

    The key is to make sure everyone ties the failure to the program and its supporters rather than to those who stated the obvious.

    1. Lkfeinb says:

      It is not JUST going to die. Trump will make sure it dies by eliminating the mandate. You don’t have anyone who needs Obamacare? Lucky you.

      1. Retired says:

        It was not health care it was ruled a tax by the Supreme Court or did you forget that ???

        1. Lkfeinb says:

          No, I didn’t forget. It was ruled as a tax by Kennedy to get it passed. Doesn’t mean it really is a tax.

          1. Retired says:

            There is taxes involved till 2025 ,one main reason they can not repeal it . So now you are calling the Supreme court ruling a lie but not your Muslim King Obozo .

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            That’s about it!

      2. justinwachin says:

        I have health insurance. If someone wants to take a pass on health insurance that should be their choice. You and I may not agree with the choice, but there are a lot of things that would be done differently if I could make the choice for all Americans. At the least the replacement law might compromise and require every person to carry catastrophic coverage.

        1. Lkfeinb says:

          We all pay , in taxes, for those who choose not to have health insurance. Why should I pay for the emergency services of someone who chooses to opt out?

          1. justinwachin says:

            People who chose to be uninsured need to realize that if they use health care they are going to be expected to pay for it. That may mean garnishing wages, taking property, etc. Some people may have the means to pay for their health care. Those who don’t need to realize they will be bankrupted if they need expensive health care.

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            We, as a society, don’t do that and never have. Those who have money are charged, but emergency services are insane and most, even with jobs, cannot pay those charges. They DO go unpaid.
            Emergency room charges for the uninsured are payed by the taxpayers and always will be. That is why it is much less expensive for everyone to have insurance.

          3. justinwachin says:

            “We, as a society, don’t do that and never have.”

            Up until the Obama administration we did not require people to have health insurance and now we do. I suggest the government pass a law to make it easier for health care providers to be able to collect what is owed them. When people learn they are not going to be able to sponge off everyone else the health insurance will sell itself.

          4. Lkfeinb says:

            I guess you live in a bubble where you don’t know one actually poor person. It is math. It is more cost effective for everyone to have insurance. If you get the insurance companies out of healthcare we can cover all.

          5. justinwachin says:

            I know a bunch of poor people. Every one of them is on Medicaid. They don’t pay anything but every taxpayer does. They are on government health care. There are no “greedy” insurance companies getting a cut out of them.

          6. Lkfeinb says:

            They have to be very poor, in Florida , to qualify for that. AND the insurance companies DO issue Medicaid policies with very slim networks of doctors and hospitals that are willing to take the extremely low negotiated fees that Medicaid policies pay. Yes, the taxpayers pay for that insurance.

          7. Lkfeinb says:

            Nothing sells itself. Incentives have to be given.

          8. justinwachin says:

            I don’t know. There are still plenty of people who start smoking, drinking and taking drugs. I’m not sure if the tobacco companies, alcohol companies and/or drug pushers are giving out gifts to get people to become hooked on their products.

        2. Lkfeinb says:

          Catastrophic coverage is not good enough. Preventative coverage is needed.

          1. justinwachin says:

            The person should decide what coverage works best for them. I don’t think it is my place or your place to dictate what kind of insurance someone should have.

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            That is true as far as deductibles and co-pays and premiums. But I have to pay for education for children I don’t have AND I have to pay for bridges I don’t use . I have to pay for Viagra for men and prostate surgery even though I don’t have balls. So why shouldn’t everyone pay for maternity etc etc etc.

      3. Retired says:

        Why should others pay for your Daughter , that is what you are there for making the big bucks ripping people off with your insurance sales .

        1. Lkfeinb says:

          Big bucks? Thats a laugh. It is labor intensive to sell health insurance for peanuts. I do it more as a service for my existing life and disability clients . But it pays so little with so much time involved, that now I give the business away to an agent who does this full time.
          It IS called the Affordable Care Act and the subsidies go to those who cannot afford the full premium so that the pool is full of both healthy and people with pre existing conditions. That is the only way it can work.
          Saying that, we really need a one payer system to get the insurers out of the mix and save a couple of billion in administrative costs. We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world with not the best results.

          1. Retired says:

            Get the market boys out and it will drop like a bomb . I have not met a Poor Insurance sales person yet , just like relators .

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            If you think insurance agents are so rich, why didn’t you go into the field? Selling insurance is one of the most difficult sales jobs out there. It is selling an intangible. The reason you don’t see actual poor insurance sales people is that there are quotas. If someone doesn’t make their quota they are fired.
            You only are able to see the successful ones.

          3. Retired says:

            Most just went to different Co. I had 3 different jobs and retired at 55 , now I sit back and collect my income and benefits .

    2. Lkfeinb says:

      So let 6# of our economy go into a hole. Let people die and hospitals close up. Let the insurance industry fall into chaos. Real smart!

      1. justinwachin says:

        The health care industry will be much stronger if the government gets out of it. Insurance companies can once again offer a variety of packages to customers. The customers will be given the freedom to choose the best one for them. Under Obamacare the government makes the decisions. I have faith that most people can pick the best plan /coverage options for themselves.

        1. Lkfeinb says:

          I am an insurance agent and think the insurance companies should get out of it. Billions in administrative costs would be saved.

          1. justinwachin says:

            The government could also take over the hospitals and turn doctors into government employees and save even more. Those ideas would move our nation from free enterprise and capitalism to socialism.

            In theory those ideas sound good, but government isn’t usually the source of innovation. Currently every worker in America is paying taxes to keep the government health insurance system (Medicare and Medicaid) solvent.

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            The hospitals are already taking doctors and making them employees. That isn’t socialism.

          3. justinwachin says:

            Socialism is when government owns and operates everything.

            Many non-government-owned hospitals have doctors as employees. That isn’t anything new. That was going on long before President Obama.

          4. Lkfeinb says:

            That’s not what the ACA is.

          5. justinwachin says:

            Some believe the long-term goal of the affordable care act is to move to a single payer system. Once that happens the next step will be for the government to move to take over the hospitals.

            After all, if it makes sense for the government to dictate what is covered by the insurance policy and require everyone to buy insurance why shouldn’t they eliminate the middle men and have the government to handle the insurance and payments? If the government is handling the insurance and claims payments wouldn’t it make sense for the government to run the health care providers in the name of eliminating middle men and streamlining costs?

            If we aren’t careful in time the government will have total control over our health care system. It may take a while for the government to get there but ACA definitely helps the government move in that direction.

          6. Lkfeinb says:

            “Some Believe?” There is absolutely no indication of that. Don’t start conspiracy theories. Many countries have good mixes of one pay and private plans.

          7. justinwachin says:

            A single payer system is the likely end goal for those who pushed Obamacare. That single payer would be the government. They would send prices through the roof, cut the quality of service, and ultimately decide who lives or dies.

            Once you have the ability to control whether a person lives or dies all their other freedoms are pretty much useless.

          8. Lkfeinb says:

            There is Medicare, the best insurance I have ever had.
            The prices for care are negotiated, far less than the physician’s charges, and, if the fraud, waste and abuse was better handled, it would be a very viable system.

          9. justinwachin says:

            Part of the problem with Medicare and Medicaid is the waste, fraud and abuse.

            My insurance carrier has negotiated rates with in network providers. The people who get hit are those who are uninsured. They have to pay the provider’s asking rate rather than a negotiated rate.

          10. Lkfeinb says:

            True. And, if they didn’t have the money to buy the insurance or don’t want insurance, who says they have the money to pay the asking rate? They don’t die in the street so who do you think pays? The taxpayer!

          11. justinwachin says:

            Ultimately those who use the medical services of the provider get stuck covering the expense of those who don’t pay. I can understand providing emergency care when it is a matter of life and death. Even in those times a payment plan should be sent to person receiving treatment once they are stabilized.

            My doctor’s office has a sign posted on the door and at the check in area that says payment is expected at the time services are rendered. They ask to see my insurance card as I check in. I’m then told what my out of pocket cost is. I’m going to guess if I didn’t pay I wouldn’t see the doctor. Payment in advance is a good way to stop a lot of the freeloading.

          12. Lkfeinb says:

            A bill is always sent and a payment plan can be accepted, but there are those without addresses and those that cannot even afford a payment plan. There are those that ignore the bill and who have nothing to lose. It is the taxpayer who loses because the poorer population is larger than you can imagine. If the risk is spread among the entire population and ER visits go down we all benefit.

          13. justinwachin says:

            The people who are that poor are not going to be buying insurance anyways. They are going to get Medicaid.

          14. Lkfeinb says:

            Absolutely NOT true in the states, like Florida, that did not expand Medicaid. Those people in the middle have to get the ACA with subsidies.

          15. Lkfeinb says:

            No one says the government should take over the insurance companies OR the providers. Insurance companies sell a hell of a lot more than health insurance and would survive very nicely without that headache.

          16. justinwachin says:

            The way it is going many insurance companies seem to be wanting to leave the health insurance field due to the losses they are incurring under Obamacare. In the end we will be stuck with a government agency running health insurance. The prices will be high. The quality of service will be low. Then we will all have something to complain about.

            The problem with socialism is it usually makes things worse, not better.

        2. Lkfeinb says:

          So all with pre-existing conditions can be refused and the people who cannot afford insurance can die.
          By the way the government doesn’t make the decisions, they are just enforcing rules to benefit consumers, including the one that allows the insurance company to use 80% of premiums for actual benefits and 20% for administrative costs and profits.

          1. justinwachin says:

            it seems to me government would be better off to create some sort of plan for those whose health conditions would make insurance unaffordable. As it is now insurance is unaffordable for everyone.

            By the way, changes in diet and lifestyle could go a long way toward reducing future “pre-existing conditions.” Why shouldn’t people whose lifestyle choices cause them to need more health care be expected to pay a higher premium? People who have sex with everyone possible is more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease than those who abstain from sex or who only have sex with their spouse. I have no problem with them paying a higher premium due to their risky behavior.

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            It is awfully lucky that these decisions are not left up to you. By the way, 40 million people are paying for health insurance so , by definition, it isn’t unaffordable, just expensive.

          3. justinwachin says:

            I could do a better job reforming health care than President Obama did. I realize free enterprise beats socialism every time.

            Many of those people are paying for insurance because the law requires them to do so. The money they are spending on Obamacare is money they can’t spend on something else.

            Insurance is expensive because health care is expensive. This is one of the flaws of Obamacare. If health care costs go down health insurance prices will follow.

          4. Lkfeinb says:

            Absolutely. We are on the same page about costs.
            They need to be negotiated. However the ACA isn’t even close to socialism. Private companies are making profits. They are simply regulated so they don’t screw the public.
            I’m for fixing it. It doesn’t need to be repealed however.
            Everyone needs to be insured. You can be diagnosed with cancer tomorrow or hit with a truck.

          5. justinwachin says:

            ACA helps move toward socialism. The next step is for the government to take over the health insurance part of the equation. As insurance companies seek to leave the health insurance market the calls for a single payer government system grows.

            From what I’ve heard many of the insurance companies aren’t making a profit on selling health policies. Our local hospital went through several rounds of layoffs several years ago due to declining profits caused by the Affordable Care Act.

            The benefit of repeal and replace would be to eliminate the several thousand pages of the Affordable Care Act. Hopefully the replacement would be simpler. If repeal and replace turns out to not be a workable solution we may have to be satisfied with gut and change. The gut will eliminate parts of the Affordable Care Act and change will fix the things which need to continue in some form.

            Health care is very expensive. Congress should look at ways to reduce the cost. With that said, I have health insurance. No one knows what the future holds for them. An injury or discovery of a health condition could instantly wipe a person out financially if they don’t have insurance. Individuals should be allowed to choose whether or not to get insurance. Maybe a catastrophic policy could be made available for those of us who are currently healthy at a price that most people would have trouble refusing.

          6. Lkfeinb says:

            You are correct with the cost aspect. The pharmaceutical lobby has kept drug prices high and no congressman, Democratic or Republican has made a concerted effort to negotiate prices as many other countries have.
            It is one of the prime reasons that insurance rates are high.
            So, who did Trump put in charge of the Federal Drug Administration? The head lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry who has consistently lobbied to keep the drug costs high. Do you think he has our interests at heart?

          7. justinwachin says:

            President Trump seems to be big on negotiating so dealing with pharmaceutical companies may be on his list.

            The health insurance companies can negotiate prices. If they can’t get a good price for a particular drug they can leave it off their formulary. Drug makers stand to make more by selling a product than by watching insurance companies direct customers to a more affordable drug made by their competitor.

      2. Retired says:

        It has been in chaos since the HMOs was started . That was to solve the high cost problem , remember ????

        1. Lkfeinb says:

          I remember that well. I was married to a doctor at the time and they were all beside themselves about HMO’s coming in. The AMA and the hospitals were against it because the large corporations could negotiate fees.
          However, before the insurance industry took over in the 1940s or 50s people had to pay for healthcare out of pocket and it was much less expensive. Why? Because they actually had responsibility for their bills.
          Now, if insurance pays the bill the patient could care less so the costs rise., The patient only cares about the insurance premium, not the actual cost of care. Not a good system.

          1. Retired says:

            That was also in the days before NON Religion Hospitals became Non Profit , I think .

    3. Lkfeinb says:

      The bastard just cut off all help to people who want to sign up for the ACA. There was funding to assist people in libraries and schools.

      1. justinwachin says:

        I don’t think any law has passed repealing Obamacare. Unlike President Obama, this president tries to obey the law.

        President Trump is merely stating the obvious. Obamacare is not financially sustainable in the long run as it is currently written.

        1. Lkfeinb says:

          Right. It needs fixing. Why throw out the baby with the bathwater and upend the economy?

          1. justinwachin says:

            The Affordable Care Act was a huge bill. It might be easier to scrap the whole thing and start over with a simpler plan. In computer programming we sometimes rewrite a program from scratch to get rid of all the legacy code which has bloated the program and created a lot of opportunities for security exploits.

            It might be a good idea to see how much of the existing ACA code we could eliminate. Usually things are better if they can be kept as simple as possible.

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            You might put an addendum to your statement:
            “As long as I don’t lose my healthcare”.

          3. justinwachin says:

            I’m not sure what statement you think I should append. I have bought health insurance since leaving my parents’ policy. Sometimes I paid for it out of pocket. My current job includes it as a benefit.

            My health insurance was far more affordable before Kentucky instituted its health insurance reform in the early 1990s. Unfortunately Kentucky’s reform caused my insurer to leave the state. I ended up with Blue Cross/Blue Shield. The rates were higher and the quality of service was lower. The same thing is playing out now on a federal level.

            High cost and poor service should not come as a surprise. Those are the hallmarks of socialism.

          4. Lkfeinb says:

            Trump thought it was simple too. There is nothing simple about providing healthcare to all.

          5. justinwachin says:

            That is why the government needs to stop meddling with healthcare. The 10th amendment delegates to the states everything not expressly granted to the federal government by the Constitution. I can’t find the constitutional authority for the federal government to run healthcare.

  • Webb says:

    2010-2014-2016…Republicans made it back into power in DC, thanks to the Voters. Yet, I Ask Myself, does it really matter? We Listened to Republicans making Promises, especially to repeal ObamaCare, root and branch, we have a plan, Really? Nothing!!
    Obamacare was Government Overreach into our very lives, Our Taxes, Our Pocket Books, Our Doctors and Our Healthcare…A Mandate Forcing US to buy an Insurance Product. Billons Of Dollars spent from a Broke nation…
    My Main concern with ObamaCare was The Mandate and Billions Spent..
    For Me, repeal of the Mandate was Paramount, lifting the tax fine and the Overreach.The Billions spent for O Care, I no longer care…Congress will never reverse IT’S spending and will continue on this path of Trillions more added to our National Debt…
    I will never support Democrats but in 2018 and 2020, Republicans will be minus My Votes…

    1. Chris Robinette says:

      Giving up when the going is rough? Coward.

      1. Webb says:

        Republicans could have already repealed parts of ObamaCare, the Mandate and some Taxes. Yet here we are…Nothing!
        Promises made, Should always be promises Kept…
        We Put up with 8 years of Rough…No Longer!
        I have watched The DC Games for 50 odd years and it only gets worse…a Coward, NO, just tired of being lied too…

  • Tiger says:

    1.) For 8 years under Obama Republicans repealed O care and O said no.
    2.) For years the Republicans ran on taking down O and O care.
    3.) For years they said they had a plan.

    THEY LIED. I was very pleased to hear two things in the last few weeks. One an host doing the Hannity Radio Talk Show, X military had X from all agencies, FBI, CIA etc. They talked to the audience about the 45 Goals of Communism to take America down. Now I knew about Illuminati, Masons, Satanists, One World Order, Federal Reserve fiasco but since Khrushchev banged his shoe on the table at the UN, I was a child at the time I had not thought about his words: “We will destroy you from within, drugs……etc etc etc.” Looking up the 45 Goals I realized it had happened and almost done.

    I was also pleased when yesterday, Rush Limbaugh talked about and laid out what myself and millions of others have been posting and screaming about for a very long time. There is a COUP GOING ON. There are NO REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS, they are ALL PROGRESSIVE/COMMUNISTS, Hillary and Obama Progressives embraced all Communists and Dictators, Bernie a Socialist, what a sad statement for our Republic. These people in congress have no intention of doing anything Trump wants done for “We the People”. They are more afraid of their puppeteers who run this country than they are the voters.

    These were two revelations that I heard that gave me hope this country can be taken back and it MUST be TAKEN BACK. Trump is a total outsider who has no ties to anyone that they all do and like Rush said, they have no intention of letting him DRAIN their SWAMP.

    Trump I hope, understands this. He is the ONLY person who could have been elected this far into their game, who can take them out. Amazing people if you ponder on it, just amazing and I know prayer works, millions of us prayed for a Trump to come along. Now the problem is also Trump’s advisors. Those who still love Islam. Mathis, Kelly, MacMaster. Who told him to resign the Iran Deal against his better judgement? Mathis and two others.

    We must continue to pray.

    1. podunk1 says:

      RINO and democrat Maoist progressives have argued and pandered everything except the real reason medical care is absolutely NOT affordable! Can we remember when hospitals were going broke… when Obama ordered care givers were to provide services to all and any, with orders to pass that noncollectable cost on to bill paying citizens, insurance providers, & Obama-care???

      Well, now, providers are profitable, but insurance providers and the citizens who have to pay the premiums and deductible charges are going bankrupt as the debt clock digs deeper & deeper into an abyss of NATIONAL bankruptcy and tyranny!

      The progressive Soros/Obama/Clinton locust army has sacked the USA to the point of chaos and self-destruction promised by Alinski, Mao, and Stalin! Fifty million aliens, half on welfare plus lifetime care for anchor babies… plus thirty-seven million “not enough jobs to full-time 40-hour employ US citizens” happened in June!

      Progressive deception is as easy as changing “workforce to population ratios”, erasing long term unemployment, and part-time sharing jobs/pay! THINK…153.2 million people @ 34.5/hr. WERE SHARING 132.1 million 40/hr. jobs and pay, means 21.1 million productive jobs and pay DIDN’T EXIST in June! Add the BLS exclusion of 5.4 million “wanting jobs”, and 4.0 million erased by workforce manipulation, to the phony 7.0 million reported unemployed, and the joblessness number is really 37.4 million (rounded) in June… on a same basis as pre-Obama 1997/2008 BLS HISTORY! That $2.7 trillion annual productive citizen wage wealth LOSS is directly triggered by progressive government subsidized legal, and illegal aliens collecting welfare and free medical care!!

      The debt clock death spiral is still spinning out of control! Putting 37.4 million Americans to work making money instead of taking welfare, by sending 37.4 welfare aliens who threw the citizens into welfare will CHANGE THE DEBT DEATH CLOCK into a debt eliminator that will resurrect the USA! Health-care will become affordable and available when the locust army workforce is removed!

      That data truth is in the June BLS report! WAKE UP FOLKS or progressives will turn the USA into another Syria, South America, or the Stalin &Maoist communist tyrannies that Obama, Clinton, and the DNC LOVE!

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      2. Tiger says:

        Nothing to add, you said it all and expertly I might add.

      3. dmttbt says:

        That is why the people should learn not to believe anything the government tells us.

        1. podunk1 says:

          Amen to that!

      4. dmttbt says:

        Don’t forget the govt. says 11 million illegals are hear and we know it is more like 30 to 60 million. They want to bring in how many refugees that are uneducated and in poor health and possibly terrorist. Now explain what that will do.

        1. podunk1 says:

          Well said… it’s the reason the USA is hopelessly in debt, unemployed or working short hours, and has near zero infrastructure left to independently produce what we consume..

    2. dmttbt says:

      Yes they lied. Do they do anything else? We have to stop and think about what has been going on in this country for years and years. Mark Twain made a statement about how screwed up Congress is and that was in 1866. Yet we keep reelecting the same a holes who have been robbing us all this time. Would you hire someone to work for you who cost you more than you can make?

      1. Tiger says:

        I am pretty much up on what has happened, who the Progressives are, what their goals have been and how darned close we came to being a country with a governing body the likes that brought us to WWII and created Stalin and so many others.

  • Humble Servant says:

    This is the only way I see this working out. Everyone is mad because Trump did not fix the healthcare mess the DNC, under Obama, created but they won’t do the heavy lifting. Trump can only do what he can do so by letting this albatross fall apart around the DNC’s, he will show them all that he was trying to prevent the American public from having to endure the pain. I said he should have done this after the first attempt but he has more stamina then I would have. I would hack out parts of Obama care to eliminate the Planned Parenthood payouts and the Medicare give away to none retired or disabled citizens as it was originally designed and funded for. The government is not my church and it is not their responsibility to provide for others on our behalf. God intended us to all give freely to help our brothers but no points given if forced under government coercion. The Obama care system is failing in many states and should not be propped up by any further government spending. The system was so ill formed it was doomed from it’s inception. Live right and eat right, take care of your body and live as long as you were meant to. No one leaves this earth in their bodies.

    1. Lkfeinb says:

      Only 17% of Americans want Obamacare replaced.

      1. Corky Affolter says:

        more fake news

        1. Lkfeinb says:

          Only fake to you.

          1. Corky Affolter says:

            got your blinders on thats ok

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            Everything you would like NOT to believe is fake news to you.

  • regulus30 says:

    BRILLIANT, not “one Repub” has their mane on the ACA, mid terms are coming and it is not Repubs job to fix the democrap mess.

    1. bobnstuff says:

      It’s the republicans job to server the people. all the people and by not fixing the ACA they are not doing their job. As long as the Republicans control the congress and the White House it’s their problem. When the ACA was first passed the Democrats bent over backwards to they to get the Republicans support but the Republicans wanted to stop Obama from having a success. Now they are trying to destroy his legacy instead of taking care of the people. If the Republicans let healthcare fail they will hurt a lot of people for the sake of their own vanity. Like it or not Trump and the congress own the problem.

      1. regulus30 says:

        It was the dumocraps job to serve ALL THE PEOPLE as well; they screwed it up YOU OWN IT, don’t hand it to someone else to fix; oh I forgot that is liberals way to blame others for their failures; take a hike BOB.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          The democrats got healthcare for 17 million people, created 20 million jobs and grew the economy without the help of the republicans. It’s been six months now and what has the republicans done?

          1. regulus30 says:

            MEDICAID FOR 17 MILLION; MORE LIBERAL DELUSIONAL BABBLE; SUBSIDIES TO boot, redistribution of my wealth.. Let it fail.

          2. bobnstuff says:

            So the working poor shouldn’t have insurance, shouldn’t be able to see a doctor just because the employers don’t pay well or give them insurance. The expansion was not to the poor unemployed but to those working, sometimes two jobs just to make ends meet. They don’t deserve healthcare? We give EXXON MOBIL more money every year the the total cost of those subsidies. In case you hadn’t noticed we have been seeing a redistribution of wealth for the last 20 years but it’s going to the wealthy. You don’t seem to have a problem when the rich get richer at the cost of everyone else but don’t give a crumb to the middle class.

          3. regulus30 says:

            HIPPOCRATIC OATH; no one can be refused medical attention, your wonderful scam was to provide coverage for a ficticious 40 million, it only affected 17 million. It only touched [23.5%], and cost billions as well as destroying the insurance industry ;; YOU FAILED.

          4. bobnstuff says:

            They only have to stabilize your condition and then they can send you home. It’s emergency care not on going healthcare. That bill will be added on to your bill so you get to pay for it either way.

            Destroying the insurance industry, yes with record profits. I would love to be destroyed that way. It’s only the market place that is having problems, not the industry. What’s really interesting is that the insurance industry is shifting all their losses to the market place to make it look worse then it is. Go look at the P&L statements of the insurance companies.

          5. regulus30 says:

            so much profit, why are they pulling out of ACA?; profit is what produces cash for liberal morons to waste on failed policies. I guess 200 percent increases in premiums and 500 percent increase in deductibles is good business and providing ONE option for coverage is called competition?, if you believe in obammies /jeremiah wright’s ” redistribution” of my wealth.then YOU probably think it is wonderful.

          6. bobnstuff says:

            Etna tried to blackmail the government and it didn’t work, that’s why the pulled out. If you could get away with raising your prices by 200% you would wouldn’t you. That’s what they got away with while making record profits. Go look at the P&L statements. It is your wealth they are getting, they are paying you zero interest on your savings, keeping wages low, going to cheaper countries to make the over price junk you are buying, Paying next to nothing in taxes but getting hand outs from the government like interest free money that they are using to buy government bonds at 3%. You don’t see that are redistribution of wealth?

          7. regulus30 says:

            Now I have you really reaching; haha

          8. regulus30 says:

            Nope; big insurance companies, big pharma and AARP bought into the scam because obimbo told them ALL PEOPLE WOULD BE FORCED TO BUY SOMETHING, HE FORGOT HE WAS IN AMERICA; not Europe.

          9. Lkfeinb says:

            Oh, Bob. These people are not willing to listen. Do you see how they refer to the ACA? O’niggercare. It is all about hate.

          10. bobnstuff says:

            Yes they sure like to unthinkingly hate. The problem is most of what they claim is based on lies. They don’t want the truth or the facts because it makes that hate harder to maintain. I’m sure glad I’m not like them.

          11. Lkfeinb says:

            I am glad you are not like them also!

          12. bobnstuff says:

            Thank you. It is nice having someone who can think and understand here from time to time.

          13. Retired says:

            The only reason that came about is because he played the I IS A POOR BLACK BOY and he with Jarret had his past sealed . Typical N___R ploy is didnts dues its.

          14. bobnstuff says:

            He didn’t have his past sealed anymore then you did. Those records are not public. I notice you aren’t complaining about Trump recorders. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want anyone seeing them. University of Pennsylvania ask him to stop bragging about going there. We know he wasn’t top of his class anywhere.

          15. Retired says:

            Funny you are the only one and on the 4 computers with different names that says that .

          16. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry to break this to you I only have one name on line. I’m Bobnstuff any and everywhere I am on line. I have used that name since the AOL days.

          17. Retired says:

            They don’t call you a Bullsh$ter for nothing .

          18. bobnstuff says:

            And I guess you misspelled your name. It should only have one E.

          19. regulus30 says:

            Interstate competition, tax deductible [health savings accounts], massive high risk pools for preexisting conditions, allowing children to stay on mommies insurance til age 26, private insurance companies offering multi-levels of coverage I get to select, eliminating unnecessary items like birth control for men, providing a basic plan with options for me TO BUY CATASTROPHIC COVERAGE IF I CHOOSE, A STANDARD SCHEDULE OF CHARGES FOR BASIC SERVICES creating competition among doctors, setting lower standards for qualifying for medicaid. The whole system DID NOT HAVE TO BE WRECKED “IT WAS A SCAM”.

          20. bobnstuff says:

            Did you notice that the insurances industry the AMA didn’t support that bill, that and of courses the majority of the American people or for that matter a majority of the congress.

          21. regulus30 says:

            wow you must get your info [fantasy] jimmy fallon. The only insurance companies NOT SUPPORTING aca were the ones not bribed by obammie’s subsidies [you people see the world backwards], Why was AARP and the AMA wasting all that money in 2009/10 advertising their support?

          22. gvette says:

            LMAO…the woking poor have the same options now, it had before onigger care!

          23. bobnstuff says:

            Yes “Die and decrease the surplus population.” It is the working poor and lower middle class that benefited from the ACA the most. I see you have no problem with the rich getting richer at the cost of the middle class. It’s only when the money goes the other way you have a problem.

          24. gvette says:

            You’re an idiot Bob. One of my frends up north make just enough to be able to get onigger care. Problen is, their deductable is 7000 grand, so when she goes to hospitol for her heart problem, she still has to pay out of her pocket. I’ll sum it up for you, Bob. She has to pay for insurance she can’t affordd to use. There is a lot of that all over the country, but you DemONRATS don’t care about that.
            Besides fucing up the insurance industry, let’s not forget this.

            We have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama’s economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama’s business cycle the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.

            An average annual GDP growth of 1.48% during Obama’s two terms…

          25. bobnstuff says:

            First of all you are full of it with your made up story of someone just making enough for insurance but getting a $7000 deductible. Never happened. I have gone to the market place and have looked around, so your BS is just that. Second those policies that were dropped covered next to nothing, they made people feel safe until they tried to use them. The ACA made insurance actually cover healthcare.

            Here is the big lie of today.
            “We well repeal and replace Obama on day one with something better. Affordable insurance for everyone.”

            Here are the facts on GDP instead of your miss information.

          26. gvette says:

            Repealing Onigger care was not accomplished by congress. By the way, job growth is way ahead of onggers. LOL…GDP, in 7 months? Give me a break Bob. It took Barry 8 years to kill everything, and because Trump didn’t fix it all in two days, you’re not liking him?

          27. dmttbt says:

            bobnstuff should be banned from the internet because he is not competent enough to make a sensible statement.

          28. gvette says:

            LOL…he does the best he can, for being a DemonRAT! He thinks I’ll fall for the crap he sends from the far left.

          29. Retired says:

            Most of his stuff sounds like from the Union leaders .

          30. gvette says:

            You could be right. I was thinking it could be from lack of oxygen because he had his head up Omuslims ass so long!

          31. Retired says:

            I think he switched to the Clintons and is stuck in theirs now while Obozo is in the rear end now , so no chance of getting oxygen .

          32. Lkfeinb says:

            Why don’t you two get married? Oh, I forgot. That would be a homosexual relationship.

          33. Retired says:

            He and AKlady not are together .

          34. bobnstuff says:

            Not homosexual, inter-species.

          35. Lkfeinb says:

            Good correction!

          36. Lkfeinb says:

            This guy really DOES know his stuff. You don’t!

          37. Retired says:

            Just like you and AKLady Not , you three at in your own little world . Obozos world .

          38. bobnstuff says:

            No the real world, not the one full of misinformation and lies you live in.

          39. Retired says:

            I don’t live in AFU Pa. almost as bad as parts of the East and West Coast .

          40. bobnstuff says:

            I live near Pittsburgh. They went through bad times but rebuilt the economy to be stronger then ever. We cleaned up the rivers and the air and made it one of the most livable cities in the country. Not many cities can make that claim.

          41. Retired says:

            There are more places than you can name in the rust belt that have been cleaned up by federal and state tax money . Now how much has philly been cleaned up ????

          42. bobnstuff says:

            I couldn’t tell you much about Philly since I live 6 hours from there and have only been in their airport. Pittsburgh started their clean up before there were federal government had programs for that stuff. The environmental movement started here. The first clean air organization in the country was founded here.

          43. Retired says:

            You are so full of it there have been Brown field clean ups for decades through state and federal grants going way back before manufacturing came into the field . It started with Oil Companies selling their Gas stations so they would not be responsible for pulling leaking tanks as well as abandoned station tanks . Get with what goes on in real live and not what is on your 4 computers you use.

          44. bobnstuff says:

            Read the link fool before responding to things!!!!!!

          45. Retired says:

            You read Garbage in Garbage out , I have seen it in my area for decades . You are a computer sucker and not what is in the real world .

          46. bobnstuff says:

            Funny you still didn’t read it, my guess is you are just to lazy or to stupid. You didn’t even see where it’s from. Ever heard of Rachel Carson a Chatham girl just like my mother although it wasn’t called Chatham back then. It was the Pittsburgh College for Women. She was on of the pioneers in the ecology movement. You knowledge once again is very limited. I can only give you links but if you choose to be ignorant I can do nothing about it.

          47. Retired says:

            Philly once a nice place is still a hell hole like it has been for decades , with trash from NY and NJ moving in .

          48. bobnstuff says:

            As far as I’m concerned Pa should give Philly to NJ.

          49. Lkfeinb says:

            Hey, dingbat. Philly is far away from Pittsburgh.

          50. Retired says:

            No shitsky . He keeps bragging about how great Pa is . Pitts. is just one place that he wont live in for a reason , they have their share of problems like every major city.

          51. Retired says:

            So you are part of the Muslim world waiting for your Virgins ????

          52. bobnstuff says:

            You do know that even Muslims don’t believe that one.

          53. Retired says:

            Now you are a expert on the Muslim Religion if you can call it that . Better get back on your prayer rug , I hear Obama is in your neighborhood .

          54. bobnstuff says:

            I’m sure a much better inform person when it comes to Islam then you are. I spent 6 years working for a Muslim family. Wouldn’t it be great if Christians prayed 5 times a day.

          55. Lkfeinb says:

            It is amazing that bobnstuff has not called you out for being the racist you are.

          56. gvette says:

            In the past, he has. i’m not, really. Only when it comes Omuslim!

          57. Lkfeinb says:

            Oh yes you are! Anyone who would refer to the ACA as O’niggercare is a racist. Unfortunately most racists don’t admit it. You probably think everyone is racist.

          58. gvette says:

            I guess you miss sucking the niggers dick!

          59. Retired says:

            Because he might be one , half and half like obozo .

          60. Lkfeinb says:

            No, the guy is highly educated. He actually answers in legible sentences.

          61. Lkfeinb says:

            Do you really feel that you have to use the racial slurr nigger”. It really shows how low class you are.

          62. gvette says:

            Low class is nigger dick suckers such as yourself.

          63. Bob says:

            No he’s not. My daughter, a massive Obama supporter, was thrilled with her new Obamacare plan when she first got it. he premiums went down the first year saving her about $1500 per year. That was, until she tried to use it. yes preventive care like 1 physical exam per year was covered, but the shots my grandson had to get afterward were NOT and went against the deductible. How THRILLED she was she learned her annual deductible of $5000 had to be satisfied before they would pay for his shots. Same when he broke his arm. And she is not alone. My son just had an automobile accident and our CAR insurance is paying for more of his hospital bills than his HEALTH insurance is.
            And, in both cases, their premiums have increased about 150% from the outset of the plan because of planned increased built into the program as payback to the Insurance Industry. Now my daughter’s premium s almost equal to what she was paying BEFORE the non-Affordable Healthcare Act, but her deductible is massively larger. She has said she will NEVER vote for anyone who supports this plan again.

          64. bobnstuff says:

            I don’t know where your daughter lives but I watched closely what was going on in my market and can tell you that here your story would be an out right lie. Did she not read the policy before she bought it? Anyone who is surprised by the insurance deserves what they got. In Pa we had a 51% increase. Here are some hard numbers, not those big jumps you are talking about unless you are in Arizona. In most cases the increase was covered by the subsidy so the insured had no increase.
            As far as the auto accident the car insurance should have paid all of it, that’s why you have it.

          65. Bob says:

            Well, in MD your story is a complete lie, as it is in many other places. Of course my daughter read her policy. She is not an idiot, her voting for Obama not withstanding. The size of the deductible and the coverage were outlined in the policy. That does change the fact that this was the BEST she could get. She had a much coverage prior to the interference by the Government in a private industry. Nor does it excuse the rapid, heavy increases in the policies allowed by Obama to satisfy his friends. She knows now that paying the increased premium, in the long run, was a much better deal. She has also realized there is no such thing as a free lunch, nor a worthwhile promise form a Democrat.

          66. bobnstuff says:

            Maryland had a 24% increase, check the link. So she read the policy but didn’t understand what it said. Since up till $85,000 income for a family of four got support keeping the rate at 9.5% of income she must be doing OK.
            Also you claim she had better coverage before the ACA but the only policies that didn’t cover anything went away and there were added coverage under the ACA like prescriptions. It’s easy to fool uninformed people but if people check the facts you have a harder time feeding them your BS. You see all the information is out there to check facts.

          67. Lkfeinb says:

            I sell this stuff and my daughter has a platinum plan so I am very aware of the facts.

          68. bobnstuff says:

            If you daughter has the top plan she will be much better off if anything happens. Even the silver isn’t bad. If you sell the stuff then you know the truth. Insurance is expensive but it’s nothing like the hospital bill you get without it.

          69. Lkfeinb says:

            Of course I know how much better she is with it. She will go down to the Blue Cross gold plan this year, but there is still 0 deductible with slightly higher co pays.
            One of the reasons some people object to the ACA is that it is so difficult for laymen to navigate the marketplace. I don’t know why it wasn’t suggested to people to call an insurance agent to navigate for them instead of letting them do it alone. It wouldn’t cost them any more and it was even difficult for me, an agent, to choose the best plan for my daughter. It isn’t just price and benefits, it is the network in the plan. This isn’t known by most. Not good!

          70. bobnstuff says:

            I wish when the set up the market place they had gone to the people who set up Amazons sight. If you want to sell something on line they set the standard.

            We went on to medicare we took the HMO with the same network we had been dealing with before. We are very lucky to live in the Pittsburgh area and have UPMC as both the insurance and the service provider. Even when I was on the market place before any subsidies they had a good rate.

          71. Lkfeinb says:

            Yes, you were lucky. I , also, was angry that whoever was in charge of choosing the tech part of the initial rollout did not choose an American Company. I think it was Canadian and I believe Michelle Obama made that choice to give it to a friend. I hate to criticize Obama on this site because it leads to blaming him if the sky isn’t blue, but it was a disaster.
            We have Amazon and Apple and Google–the best in the world and we went to a small operation in Canada.
            Really criminal!

          72. bobnstuff says:

            The problem is our government is run by a bunch of old people with no tech skills. They are just now finishing up grading our sub fleet from Windows XP. One of the problems the VA is having is their computers can’t talk to the military’s system. It was the Canadian company that was hired to try to save the program and a number of problem came from the rules the congress came up with and then kept changing.

          73. Lkfeinb says:

            Thanks for the clarification.

          74. Retired says:

            Wrong , it is because you can lose your Dr. and meds you are using , it is the same bull as it was with HMOs .

          75. Lkfeinb says:

            I am sorry to say you are wrong. It depends on the plan you have chosen, It takes a lot of research to find the plan best for you. If anything is wrong with the ACA it is that people were not told to get advice from an insurance agent instead of going on the Marketplace alone.

          76. Retired says:

            Why aren’t you listing what the plan cost her and the tax payers of the USA ????

          77. Lkfeinb says:

            The 0 deductible plan was expensive $800 but there were other less expensive plans that had low deductibles.The taxpayers of the United States saved millions by patients not using emergency rooms for primary care.
            My daughter did not get a subsidy because she was earning enough money, but she has lymphoma and it was worth every penny to get the top plan.

          78. Retired says:

            You don’t name the carrier and how much they get from the Government for taking her , I bet that policy costs twice as much if not three times all paid by the tax payer

          79. Lkfeinb says:

            Wanna know the entire story?
            Blue Cross/ Blue Shield of FL. Before she had a full time job she was subsidized, but now she pays the full price. It is $800 for the Gold Plan(Blue Options)
            Last year it cost the same for the Platinum Plan. Yes, it went up. Initially the government paid $400 of the $800 until her salary increased over the subsidy level.
            She has a condition so I was very grateful for the ACA. Before that she was uninsurable and I had to patch together some temporary insurance.
            Several years before that she had to move to NYC. They had guaranteed plans and covered all pre existing. This was 8 years ago. What was her premium then? $1000 per month.
            So Obamacare was less than that!

          80. Retired says:

            Yes , I understand that , but you are leaving out the Millions Insurance Co. received to join ACA , why are so many leaving the ACA ??? In parts there is only 1 provider and some 0 . You are leaving something out . ACA is like HMOs one year you have your Dr. and the next you don’t .

          81. Lkfeinb says:

            Anytime there are networks , providers come and go.
            If you have an indemnity plan you can go to any doctor or hospital. The ACA plans have a mix of the above. A network is used to negotiate costs by the insurance company. With a PPO you have a choice to use the network or go outside to any doctor, which because the outside doctors did not negotiate, the cost is higher to the provider and the insured is charged more.
            The loss of insurance companies is caused by the instability of the political situation as well as the government not paying the companies on a timely basis. There are other problems , such as giving the insureds 3 months to pay their premiums. The providers give care and then find out the patient has no insurance. These are some of the things that can be fixed.

          82. Retired says:

            You sound like a typical insurance sales man who does not knowshit about what goes ion in different parts of the country . You come up with One case and that is all you brag about. I know people that were better off on Medicaid before being forced into ACA .

          83. Lkfeinb says:

            I have never heard anything like that. How could someone be better off on Medicaid? There are so few doctors who will even accept it. The reason that they were forced off is because their earnings exceeded the Medicaid rules, but those people received subsidies. Sure, maybe they didn’t care if the treatment was sparse and the better providers weren’t on it and you had to travel 20 miles or more to find a specialist who was taking new patients. Before they were paying nothing and now they had to pay something. But they are getting much better care with the ACA.

          84. Retired says:

            Care is not better except for the annual check up . Things are different in different parts of the country .

          85. Lkfeinb says:

            That wasn’t the best she could get. It was the one she could afford! The platinum plans have 0 deductibles in network

          86. Lkfeinb says:

            There are choices in plans. Obviously she chose a very inexpensive plan. This is not welfare. To some degree you get what you pay for.

          87. chw2000 says:

            WOW! More left wing liberal sources. You’re not only an a$$ hole BSBob, you’re a star liberal a$$ hole.

          88. Lkfeinb says:

            Why do you even try?

          89. Retired says:

            Because he has nothing else to do in life except agitate others with his BS.

          90. Retired says:

            You are talking to a big boulder .

          91. gvette says:

            Good evening! Boulder= Bob. Pretty much.

          92. Retired says:

            That is exactly what the ACA has done , let the Elderly die .Take away their meds and give them the cheapest third world drugs that have no control – inspections and proof that they work .

          93. bobnstuff says:

            That’s your insurance company doing that, not the ACA. Your drug plan, part D is through a private insurance carrier. If you don’t like it change your carrier or just pay for the drugs. That’s what you will do once they strip government support.

          94. Retired says:

            Bull this started after the ACA became law . I don’t have part D , get it through your rock head . When I lose my drug plan the US will be gone under ,thanks to liberals like you .

          95. bobnstuff says:

            Bull right back at you. If you don’t sign up for medicare part D you aren’t getting drug coverage,
            “To get Medicare drug coverage, you must join a plan run by an insurance
            company or other private company approved by Medicare. Each plan can
            vary in cost and drugs covered.”

            I just went through this last year.

          96. Retired says:

            You just can not get it through you rock , I don’t need part D . You can NOT read Or Comprehend . I have explained it to you before , kiss your ass good by when I lose it .

          97. bobnstuff says:

            If you don’t have part D then you have no drug coverage though medicare. I bet you are going through the VA, they have a pretty bad drug coverage program from what I hear but I know little about it.

          98. Retired says:

            Wrong again as usual .

          99. Lkfeinb says:

            Why are you contesting Bob when he is absolutely correct. You don’t even need a fact check for this one!

          100. Lkfeinb says:

            If you don’t need part D then you have employer coverage with part A. That could cover you for drugs.
            When you leave employment you sign up for part B and D.

          101. Retired says:

            Wrong again . I am Retired .

          102. Lkfeinb says:

            Nothing in Medicare changed when the ACA came into being. I, also , am on Medicare.

          103. Retired says:

            That is how little you know , we have worked with Medicare statements since the 80s .After ACA the Drs. took it in the shorts again as to how much they get paid for a office visit and procedures .

          104. Lkfeinb says:

            The Medicare reimbursement rates stayed the same.
            Where are you getting your info from?

          105. Retired says:

            Right off of statements , going back to the 80s , can’t you read ???

          106. Lkfeinb says:

            Going back to the 80’s? We were talking about the change after the ACA, weren’t we? Not back to the 80’s.

          107. Retired says:

            That is right that is how far back I have watched changes just like the changes in insurance and the ACA .

          108. Lkfeinb says:

            You are not even on Medicare , so what are you talking about?

          109. Retired says:

            I sure as hell am , remember I had Parents and friends who needed help to understand the Medicare statements .

          110. Lkfeinb says:

            I am sure there were changes during the years, but they had nothing to do with the ACA. You are talking to someone who deals with this on a daily basis and you still deny it.

          111. Retired says:

            Just because you sell does not mean you see the damage over the years as well as how the ACA has effected all . You can’t be to bright , what you sell in your are might not be available in other states , just like Medicaid varies from state to state . Why do you think the welfare king and Queens move around so much ????

          112. Lkfeinb says:

            Medicare is Federal unless you get the Advantage Plans which are local.

          113. Retired says:

            Like a good demon Rat you change the subject . Where do you see Medicare in my last post ??? You just rant and rant spinning your wheels and getting no place . Welfare people do not get Medicare .

          114. Lkfeinb says:

            What started after the ACA became law? George Bush had the drug plan initiated as an adjunct to Medicare.

          115. Retired says:

            Never had problems getting Meds until after ACA was in effect .

          116. Lkfeinb says:

            There is something wrong with your statement because the ACA has nothing to do with Medicare drug plans. You might still be on an employer plan which did change with the ACA.

          117. Retired says:

            You don’t get it I don’t have either . All types of plans were affected by the ACA, remember the Insurance Companies were involved with setting up the ACA. Everybody followed and ACA is worse than HMO plans .

          118. Lkfeinb says:

            You don’t get it. Why do you think you know everything about everything? I am a professional in this business and you are talking nonsense. Give it up!

          119. Retired says:

            You are not on the recieving end of the Shaft that ACA gave the country . If it is so great why isn’t Congress on it ????

          120. Lkfeinb says:

            All federal employees have different insurance. A relative retired from the IRS had different insurance.
            The setup is not just for Congress, although they do have very good perks.

          121. Retired says:

            Put congress on it and you will see a quick improvement in health care , until then the Insurance industry is in control .

          122. Lkfeinb says:

            It seems so useless to respond to your posts because you get so much wrong.
            The ACA has NOTHING to do with Medicare. Big pharm controls both houses of Congress. Of course it is insane that our drugs cost what they do, but that has nothing to do with the ACA bill.. And ,by the way, we have excellent drug quality in this country.
            I guess you don’t take drugs, because almost everyone who has Medicare signed up for Part D also. You can get a cheap plan through Humana. But, by not taking it as soon as you got Part B, you will be penalized.

          123. Retired says:

            You sound just like a used car salesman , you sell stuff but don’t have the facts on the receiving end . ACA is the front runner of how you will get treated in the future something they don’t tell you selling insurance . Humana is the bottom of the barrel in my area .I will never get penalized for not having part D .

          124. Lkfeinb says:

            And so now you are clairvoyant!

          125. Retired says:

            Just plain facts.

          126. Dee says:

            Insurance is Not a right! Get out and work as hard as you Want to get What You Want !! In this country anyone can be seen at a hospital should something bad happen. Of course some need Medicaid but as All Welfare Assistance the Fraud Is Outrageous !! We Need to get Govt Out Of Our Insurance , PERIOD !

          127. bobnstuff says:

            In all other developed nation healthcare is a right, only in America do we thing that healthcare is a privilege. You seem to be confusing emergency care with healthcare. Long tern problems like diabetes are not taken care of at the ER. It’s get you stabilized and send you home if you have no insurance and then phone call after phone call looking for their money.
            I guess you would be happy if Medicare went away along with VA hospitals.

            Now you complain about fraud in the welfare system then you should be agree with the cut back in case workers that help prevent that fraud is a mistake. At one time you had case loads of 100 per case worker, they now have 1000 cases and don’t have time to check for fraud.

          128. Lkfeinb says:

            Millions of government money have been saved by citizens not using emergency rooms as a primary care option.

          129. Lkfeinb says:

            Healthcare IS a right!

          130. Retired says:

            No it’s a want that you need to work for like many of us have .

          131. Lkfeinb says:

            Well, that is a basic difference in our views.

          132. Retired says:

            Go to Canada or EU ,they have National health care . You don’t want it because it would cut your job .

          133. Lkfeinb says:

            Thank you for giving me an opening. I did lose commissions after the ACA was passed. I lost about 20% ,but I can sell other financial products. I wouldn’t mind losing the health insurance part of my business if there was healthcare for all. I realize that is not something you would hear from a lot of agents.
            The only thing Canadians are complaining about is the wait for non essential care, but there is not ONE I have spoken to who would switch to our system . The wealthy ones come here to be treated quicker and auxiliary insurance can also be purchased for a nominal fee in Canada.

          134. bobnstuff says:

            The wait in Canada isn’t much different then here. I have had to take the next appointment and wait for four months to get seen. It’s because of the long waiting times that the Quick Care industry has come about. In most cases you never see a doctor in those places but they are fast. There are so many myths on line about things it’s amazing anyone ever finds the truth.

          135. Retired says:

            But you live in gods country where everything is perfect and now you change the story ????

          136. bobnstuff says:

            You haven’t been listening to me very will have you. I want a single payer plan that controls the costs and give us the best value for our dollar. I want the first draft of the ACA that had that as an option before the republicans had them take it out.

          137. itsfun says:

            I don’t want the government telling me if I can save my child’s life. I don’t want the government taking over my healthcare decisions like in the UK.

          138. bobnstuff says:

            Instead you want a nameless employee of a insurance company to tell you that you can’t have the med you need to save the life and at twice the cost. You want to let the people who you have been paying for years to drop you if you use the insurance. Face it you have no more control with insurance then with nationalized healthcare in fact less. The difference you get to be ripped off here.

          139. Retired says:

            That is exactly what is going on , insurance and Gov. telling you what you can and can not have . Right now states have made it hard to get pain killing meds but won’t stop the flow of Illegal Drugs which people are dying from daily . you don’t read much at to what is happening in treating the elderly . It is written about almost daily that Insurance co. won’t pay for drugs if it only extends life several month or a year . You are out of touch

          140. bobnstuff says:

            “It is written about almost daily that Insurance co. won’t pay for drugs if it only extends life several month or a year “. It’s the insurance companies not the government.

          141. Retired says:

            No this all started after the ACA with closed door meetings with the insurance leaders and the writers of the 2700 pages that it took , and no Demon Rat read it .

          142. bobnstuff says:

            You said it was the insurance company that wouldn’t pay. And no it has been a problem for a very long time. As for your bill written in closed door meeting but debated for nine months on the floor of the congress and amended 41 times.

          143. Retired says:

            That is why Pelosi said we have to pass it to find out what is in it , you are a guppy like Pelosi , 2700 pages guppy .

          144. itsfun says:

            Come on Bob; I didn’t say anything even remotely like that. Insurance companies pay the coverage you select and not at twice the cost. Have you seen the Obamacare rate increases and deductibles? Where did I say anything about insurance companies being able to dumb me if I use them. I do have control what I buy. In Obamacare you have no choice in what you purchase. A example is men being forced to pay for maternity care. I want control over my life, not the government. If you want the government controlling your whole life, move to a country that controls everything you can buy and can’t.

          145. bobnstuff says:

            If you look at what we as a nation pay for our substandard care vs the other countries you will find we spend the most, almost twice what every other nation and have the 23rd best results. Without the protection you got from the ACA the insurance company could and in many cases did just drop you if you got sick. You have a short memory. Cost for insurance was going up at an even faster rate before the ACA and the insurance companies had no problem refusing you coverage. You are all concerned about paying for maternity coverage but in fact all they did was standardize all the policies. It makes it simple to only have a limited number of policies, You aren’t really paying to maternity any more the a women is paying for your prostate coverage. I have dealt with to many insurance companies over the years to trust them at all. If you believe you have any control over you insurance company you are sadly mistaken.

          146. itsfun says:

            I used maternity care as one example of the government forcing you to spend money on something you can never possibly use. You do have control over what you pay for with a insurance company. That is very simple contract law. In free enterprise companies are not forced to take on every potential customer. When a person has a existing condition, I have no problem with our government using my tax money to pay for their care. People with terrible existing diseases should be given great health care, but a private company should not be forced to take care of them. The cost for health care was not going up over 100% a year as it is now in many states. Some states now have only 1 provider and some counties have no providers. If the insurance companies were making a huge profit from Obamacare they wouldn’t be pulling out of the exchanges. If our health care is so bad, why is our life expediently so high? We have great doctors and even try to help people in other countries when their country says pull the plug. If you want that kind of care, then don’t get sick, especially if you are a senior citizen.

          147. bobnstuff says:

            What states did it go up over a 100% in a year? Do you know? Next of the 100% increase just how much did the people buying the insurance end up paying since over 80% of the people in the market place get government help.

          148. itsfun says:

            Arizona for one. How would I know the exact price everyone in Arizona paid for Obamacare.

          149. bobnstuff says:

            You ever heard of the internet? Arizona is the only one going up over 100%, you will see that most went up a lot less and three states rates went down.

          150. itsfun says:

            naa never heard of the internet. When did you turn into such a smartass?

          151. bobnstuff says:

            I’ve been dealing with Retired all day so at some point it just comes out. You at least will look at links, he never does.

          152. Retired says:

            There is the EU where that problem does not exists , plus they get 2 weeks a year at a health spa do you offer that here hell no .

          153. Retired says:

            bobnbull lives in a little corner of the world ,his own little corner .

          154. Lkfeinb says:

            Actually, you are speaking about you.

          155. Retired says:

            No you are just like him .

          156. bobnstuff says:

            So you believe that hard work is rewarded and that you only need to work harder. Tell that to the guy who isn’t gifted and is stuck mopping floors or cooking your food. I’m sure they will love to hear they aren’t working hard enough.

          157. Retired says:

            Why don’t you put the Blame where it belongs greedy Insurance Co. and Drug manufacturing that all left the USA , why is it in EU my Drugs cost half as much Brand for Brand , same in Canada – Mexico and central America . WHY smarty pants ???

          158. bobnstuff says:

            You are right it comes down to the greed. That’s why the single payer was stopped. That’s why the republicans want to gut the ACA. Greed. The healthcare industry is one of the largest campaign donors. The congress is bought and paid for. Now look who is trying to get rid of all the restrictions on the insurance companies profits? Do you think pulling insurance from 32 million people is taking care of the voters? Do you think it’s worth it to make the rich richer at the middle calls expense? Why fix healthcare for the middle class when you can feed money to your largest donor group?

          159. Retired says:

            Take the restrictions off and let them cross borders or districts and prices will drop , remember who put those restrictions in place .

          160. bobnstuff says:

            Your right and they will grow a heart ten times the size. They won’t lower prices in the high cost regions, they will raise the prices on the low cost area, that’s why they are pushing for it. Do you think they would push for something that would make them less money?

          161. Retired says:

            What happened to your free enterprise system ???? Not a republican are you ????

          162. bobnstuff says:

            Government isn’t a business and there are times when the market doesn’t work. Our founding fathers know that as has most thinking people over the ages. It was Reagan that got it into his head that the government shouldn’t do things and we have paid the price ever since.

          163. regulus30 says:

            It’s MY patriotic duty to destroy YOU and all liberal cronies so you stop lying to the stupid and influencing ANY PART of America’s social structure; you are losers. Trump 304***clinton 222.

          164. bobnstuff says:

            Three million more votes for Clinton. No healthcare bill passed, job growth less then before Trump and more boots on the ground in war zones. Things are just going great, right? “Day one repeal and replace with better insurance for everyone.” So much for campaign promises.

          165. regulus30 says:

            IT’S CALLED A CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS [ELECTORAL COLLEGE] IN PLACE TO PREVENT VOTER FRAUD; just because you don’t get your way does not make it good; and YES, things are going great, you are out of power; God saved America.

          166. bobnstuff says:

            The electoral college wasn’t put into place to prevent fraud, it was because the founding fathers didn’t trust the voters. Oh and just for the record the power seems to still be with the democrats or the republicans wouldn’t be blaming them for everything.

          167. regulus30 says:

            actually I was being facetious about the voter fraud since democraps say it DOESN’T EXIST. It was created to keep nut jobs from overwhelming the system [sound familiar]? .No “BOB” ; the Republicans have finally decided to let ” the chickens come home to roost”. Obammie care is a bad law it is reality.

          168. bobnstuff says:

            Well if the republicans lit it fail and crash the healthcare system with it it will be on their heads, like it or not. That’s not just my opinion.
            Newt Gingrich agrees with me.

            As far as voter fraud not existing it’s not just the democrats saying it doesn’t exist but also the republican governors and state AG’s. You know those people who run the elections.

          169. regulus30 says:

            so liberal/dumocraps created a failure that will not support itself and in your liberal twisted logic Republicans are supposed to bail your ignorant aces out; I don’t think so; YOU FAILED SUCK IT UP. 3400 INVALID REGISTRATION FORMS FOUND IN ONE PRECINCT; nah there is no voter fraud, you dumbace.

          170. bobnstuff says:

            More Fake News I see.
            Every major program need a little fixing but the republicans blocked any changes so now they own it, fix it replace it but make it better like Trump promised.

          171. regulus30 says:

            I got two [2] bull dogs smarter than you; what I really like about them is they try to EAT LIBERALS.

          172. regulus30 says:

            Even my dogs know YOU should be eliminated; to appease them I feed them the closest thing to a liberal I can find;;”BOLOGNA”.

          173. bobnstuff says:

            Poor dogs.

          174. Lkfeinb says:

            Oh, please let that be true!

          175. bobnstuff says:

            The democrats can’t pass laws but they can do a pretty good job of stopping most laws. As long as it takes 60 votes to bring a bill to the floor of the senate the democrats have some power.

          176. Retired says:

            Spoken like a true pure Demon Rat Troll .

          177. Dee says:

            That 3 million is Such BS !! I said right off the bat that Trump won the popular as well and I would bet he did . I’m sure close to 41/2 million voters were Illegals and/or double votes . The media and liberals thought they’d get away with it since their Lies of Hitlery being ahead in the polls narritive was being pushed .

          178. bobnstuff says:

            The AG’s of the states say different and even those republican one stand by the fact that voter fraud is pretty much a myth. Even the Heritage Foundation could only find 1071 cases nation wide since 2000.
            That’s out of 3,400,000,000 votes cast.
            As far as your number it would make illegals the best turnout of all class of voters at 65%. Do you really believe that a higher number of people who are trying to not be found are turning up to vote?

          179. chw2000 says:

            Hey dumb a44 BSBob, I guess you don’t understand how our election process for POTUS actually works. Most of you dumb a$$ liberals don’t. You want to compare “campaign promises” with Obama? “I will sign no bill that has “ear marks””. The first bill he signed had a record number and his “campaign promis” never happened. Seems you’re the “pot calling the kettle black”. Oh wait, Obama is black. Is that why you a$$ hole liberals defend him?

          180. bobnstuff says:

            2015 article, nothing newer?

          181. Retired says:

            How many of those so called jobs came open due to retirement and people dying ???? The 2008 crunch was created decades ago with the 0 down payment on a house thanks to Democrats like you . People lost jobs Under Clinton along with benefits .

          182. bobnstuff says:

            The mortgage problem has it’s roots in Clinton’s years but the Bush government expanded it and even when told there was a problem didn’t fix it. The Republicans had eight years to fix it but didn’t. I really with you would stop calling me a Democrat, I’m not and never have been one. Just because I have an education and knowledge doesn’t make me any less of a Republican. The New members of the party are the ones that aren’t real republicans. At one time the republican party wasn’t the stupid party and even today there are some like me that remember when the party was great and stood for sound fiscal policy and government that worked. Many parts of the ACA came from the republican healthcare ideas as did the EPA.

          183. Retired says:

            Wrong again it started with LBJ and every Democrats after him . Ezekeil ,Rahms brother was the king pin with the insuranceCo. that created the ACA and not the republicans . the Republicans read it but the democrats did not , did you forget Peelosi famous speech we must pass it to find out what is in it .

          184. bobnstuff says:

            You sure know very little about where the idea for the ACA came from. Romneycare was part of it base and the idea of making everyone buy in to it came from the Heritage Foundation. Fanny Mae was started under FDR in 1938 if you must know but it was really pushed and expanded under Clinton. And yes I remember the joke made about having to pass it in order to know what’s in it. I also know that there are two votes on all bills. The vote on the draft bill that sends it to the printer and then the finale vote once everyone has read it.

          185. Lkfeinb says:

            Keep telling the truth regardless of the fools on this site.

          186. Retired says:

            So you are calling yourself a fool being here , glad you admit to it .

          187. Lkfeinb says:

            Yes, I am a fool to be on this site. Why argue with ignorance?

      2. itsfun says:

        Like it or not the Democrats completely own the health care mess we now have. They are doing what you accuse the Republicans of doing as not one Democrat is on board with the Republican plan. When the current system fails, there will be plenty of blame to go around and the media will have a field day.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          If the republicans can’t even bring a bill to the floor it’s kind of hard to blame the democrats. If they stopped trying to repeal, something they can’t do, and instead tried to fix the problem they could do it in a ten page bill. All they have to do is pass a bill saying that only insurance companies that are in the market place can participate in any other government program like Medicaid or Medicare. The insurance companies make billions off the government. The other thing is put a stop loss in place for the insurance companies. It worked in Alaska. Even though it isn’t needed to fix the main problem letting insurance companies sell the same policies in every state would be good to through in. If the republicans just give up and let the market place fail they will get the blame. What did Truman say,” the buck stops here.”

          1. chw2000 says:

            Hey dumb a$$ BSBob, maybe the Republicans want to read the bill before they vote on it. That’s something the Democrats didn’t do. You are a stupid a$$ hole BSBob.

          2. Retired says:


          3. Lkfeinb says:

            You know that I agree with him. This is a very strange site with no nothings giving their completely ignorant opinions.

          4. Retired says:

            Well that would include you since you are here with your line of BS.

          5. Lkfeinb says:

            The government also needs to negotiate health care costs. It isn’t only an insurance fix, it is a cost fix.

          6. Retired says:

            The Gov. needs to get out of it and go after the Criminals in the Insurance and drug companies screwing the public and government .

          7. Lkfeinb says:

            I will go along with the comment about the drug companies, but the ACA only allows 20% profit including administrative costs to the insurance companies above benefit payments. Anything more than that has to be returned to the insureds. A lot of money WAS returned in 2016.

          8. bobnstuff says:

            So making a profit is a crime? You are the one that believes in the free market but now you say making the most money you can is a crime, interesting.

          9. itsfun says:

            Something has to be done one way or the other. We definitely don’t want to happen what is going on in England now. I don’t want the government deciding if I live or die or if my children live or die.

          10. bobnstuff says:

            Isn’t it terrible, people getting healthcare without a bill. As I have said you would rather have a faceless, for profit, company deciding for you.

          11. Retired says:

            That Is exactly what ACA has done with the Insurance Industry , it opened the door to the death squads .

          12. bobnstuff says:

            There are no death squads. You do love your fake news stories.

          13. Retired says:

            You are so far in the dark as to future treatment of our elderly .

          14. Retired says:

            You are so FUP that there is no hope for you . You don’t read anything other than what’s on your chosen sites on the computer

          15. Retired says:

            Another honest NOT site . I talk with my Dr. as to what is happening and why the limits on treatment .

          16. bobnstuff says:

            You really should learn to lie better. If the ACA is taken away you will find your insurance can limit you treatment just like before the law was passed. The the better your insurance the harder they try to keep you alive and keep the money coming from the insurance.

          17. Retired says:

            Boy are you ever out of it , I have been treated for the same thing since the 90s with the best coverage and have seen the change evidently you don’t look at you statements as to how the Gov. cut payments to the Dr, , you think the Insurance companies are NOT doing the same thing. I have some Ocean front property in Nevada to sell you real cheap .

          18. Retired says:

            You get everything backasswards don’t you ???

          19. itsfun says:

            Even Howard Dean said there are death panels.

          20. itsfun says:

            Yes there are; There is a panel, (I can’t recall the name) that will decide if you get pain pills until you kick the bucket or if you will get actual treatment. Do a search of Howard Dean and even he said there are.

          21. itsfun says:

            Why are you making up things about what I say? If you believe a judge or politician should be in charge of your children and whether they live or die, then you are in the wrong country.

          22. bobnstuff says:

            So you want the for profit insurance company to do it instead. In the case of a good system it’s the doctors that decide. Right now it’s the insurance company that has the finale say just like with your meds..

          23. itsfun says:

            The for profit insurance companies pay for what you agreed to on your contract with them. You get exactly what you paid for in writing. If you want more than what you paid for, then you can add more coverages. Its the choice of the individual, not the government. The cost of and what med you get are also negotiated when you purchase a insurance contract. Do you believe the insurance companies should be not for profit businesses? Your doctor does decide what you need. The insurance companies pay for everything you have in your contract. Its called business.

          24. bobnstuff says:

            My wife takes a prescription, she has taken it for forty years but one day the insurance company decided that it was an experimental drug and refused to pay for it. We paid for drug coverage. It was a proven treatment and had been paid for in the past but we had to fight to get it covered. Now tell me again about getting what you paid for from insurance companies.

          25. itsfun says:

            Okay you do get what you paid for. Apparently your appeal to the insurance company was won by you.

          26. bobnstuff says:

            I didn’t do anything. I have a great guy at Walgreen’s named Mark who goes to battle for us. He has had to fight with our insurance companies many times. Every time they change my grandsons meds the insurance company give us a hard time. My wife’s lung doctor is another one who fights for us. The thing is I have good insurance and good support people. I would hate to see what others have to go through.

          27. Retired says:

            It was more your Dr. than you , most won’t go and do all the paper work involved or did you get a lawyer ????

          28. Retired says:

            bobnstuff lives in his own little corner of the world and not reality .

          29. itsfun says:

            I think he is a socialist and a big Sanders supporter. Socialism is great until they run out of the workers money. There is absolutely no incentive to work or earn promotions or better yourself or your family. Our system is the best the world has ever seen, the proof is in the pudding.

          30. Retired says:

            bobnstuff would deny that even though his postings prove it .

          31. Retired says:

            Why bother bringing a bill with the Pussy Hat Congress we have , all they care about is the 2018 election . That goes for both sides .

          32. bobnstuff says:

            You do know that the Pussy Hat was a protest about Trump liking to grab women’s private parts. Trump said it. The Republicans have forgotten who to legislate.

          33. Retired says:

            No it is a anti trump group that are Demonrats or Sanders followers . Better watch out they don’t come and grab you in the crotch as they will rip it off .

          34. bobnstuff says:

            Yes it was anti Trump, the great crotch grabber. Trump likes grabbing women’s crotches, he said so himself.

          35. Retired says:

            How do you know it was not a made up tape , just because he said it in private at one time .

          36. bobnstuff says:

            Trump never denied having said it. His excuse was that it was locker room talk.

          37. Retired says:

            I asked about the tape and not if Trump denied it , why do you avoid the Question all the time ????

          38. bobnstuff says:

            If Trump doesn’t deny it you can bet it was real. I guess you didn’t understand that had it been fake Trump would have not tried to make excuses.

          39. Retired says:

            You are a computer guppy that believes everything you find except for real facts .

          40. bobnstuff says:

            You seem to be lucky to find the on switch and never bother to look anything up.

          41. Retired says:

            That is were you is out in left field , I get it from both sides and can think for myself .

        2. Lkfeinb says:

          50% of Americans want to keep Obamacare exactly like it is now. Another 28% want it fixed. The rest want the repeal.

          1. itsfun says:

            Obamacare is failing. The costs are outrageous and growing. Something has to be done. I don’t care if the current system is fixed or what a new system will be named, or who does it.

          2. Retired says:

            Where did that so called 50% come from , did they call all ACA sign ups for that ????? How many are actually paying into it and staying ????

          3. Lkfeinb says:

            Everyone with health insurance is on the ACA only a portion are in the Marketplace which gives the subsidies. Even employer insurance is on the ACA so who else would they poll?

      3. chw2000 says:

        Once again you’re full of it BSBob. The Democrats wouldn’t allow the Republicans any input on the ACA. So, now that it’s falling on it’s own, it’s the Republican’s job to fix it. You are a typical liberal a$$ hole that wants to blame everyone else. Just like Hillary and Obama. Obama blamed Bush the entire time Obama was in office. Obama never knew anything until he read it in the paper. You’re an a$$ hole BSBob and so are the democrats. Go play with yourself.

        1. Retired says:


        2. Lkfeinb says:

          The Democrats had a year of hearings. Public hearings. They begged the Republicans to come up with an alternative plan, but the Republicans refused. They just didn’t want a plan with Obama to get credit. They never put ANYTHING forward. You have a short memory.

          1. chw2000 says:

            BS! Obama wouldn’t allow the Republicans any input. He had meetings at the White House and actually REFUSED to allow any Republicans to attend. You’re full of it. You’re a typical liberal that thinks after enough time has passed you can say whatever you want because people will forget. WRONG! History is based on fact. Not to be rewritten by liberal distortion. You’re no different than your buddy BSBob. Just another liberal.

          2. Lkfeinb says:

            I think you should do some research because your memory is failing you.

          3. chw2000 says:

            You don’t have the equipment to think. There’s nothing wrong with my memory, it’s your’s that’s failing. Go over to BSBob’s and you two can play with yourself. You’re both complete a$$ holes.

          4. Lkfeinb says:

            People with memory issues always deny them and get angry. Maybe you need a doctor’s appt.

          5. chw2000 says:

            Hey stupid, I remember the “public hearings” held by the Democrats. They where complete chaos and no input was allowed. You’re as bad as BSBOB, another complete liberal a$$ hole!

        3. Lkfeinb says:

          Really? I remember well the Democrats asking for input for another bill from the Republicans. Where was it? Where was one idea? Never happened. It is you who are delusional.

      4. Retired says:

        You are still bending over for the Democrats . Obama was a failure get over it and stop your whining and crying . It was never a health care bill , it was welfare through the IRS for the Insurance co. Wait till the tax issues hit you and higher insurance premiums . The ACA was a failure like his Solar Co. and Obama Motors who are now building more cars in China to import . What a guy he was as a Traitor .

        1. bobnstuff says:

          You don’t think people should make products in China for import. I guess you hate the treador Trump then since he makes all his stuff over seas. GM is building cars in China mostly for the Chinese market.

          1. Retired says:

            Wrong again they are being brought to the USA , I guess you know nothing about their imports . Just look for the Hidden sticker .

          2. bobnstuff says:

            You don’t know jack about the auto industry. Two models are come in from China. Both are high volume in the Chinese market and low volume here. It’s not worth building them here. GM has been importing cars for the last half century, it’s nothing new. My Metro was built in Canada by Suzuki.

          3. Retired says:

            Idiot get up to date and Canada is not China . Another traitor who won’t buy USA made products.

          4. bobnstuff says:

            And it makes a difference? It was an imported car with Chevy’s name on it. And I am willing to bet I buy more American made products then you do. My socks are even American made, I bet you don’t even know where your socks are made.

          5. Retired says:

            I look at all labels of things and if not from the USA I go without . When I find USA made I stock up and tools can be rented .My Drive has a sign NO IMPORTS ALLOWED .

          6. bobnstuff says:

            The BS run strong in you tonight. Where was your computer made? Why rent your tools, most if not all can be found made in America. As I say I bet I buy more American made products then you.

          7. Retired says:

            Wrong even crapsman are imported for quite some time now . If the US would build a computer it would be in my house .Once Foxcomm comes to the US there will be more US parts made here . I read Pa. is out of the running for them ????

          8. bobnstuff says:

            Crapsman is a good way to describe them. I stopped buying that junk 30 years ago. Amazingly enough Stanley tools make a bunch of there stuff in the US and are slowly bringing more of their production back here. They own Mac tools and a lot of other brand names. I would say over 90% of my tools are made in America and I have a lot of tools. Some of them are pretty old but even the new ones are mostly US made. It also turns out that even though we have no 100% American made computers there are a number of companies are assembling and making some of the parts state side.

            Here is an interesting fact, half of the products sold by Home Depot are American Made.

          9. Retired says:

            Lowes is better in our area plus they give military 10% off from what I hear . But it seems they all buy from the same supplier and the two are not in the same towns . So maybe at the top they are connected .

          10. bobnstuff says:

            No connection at the top but there are only so many vendor in the industry. I serviced both companies when I worked for as a manufactures rep. I now work part time for Home Depot but could have worked of Lowe’s if I had wanted but I didn’t like there business model. Home Depot give all Vet a 10% discount on national holidays and retired, disabled, reserve and active duty all the time. They also are involved in remodeling Vets homes. What is interesting is what we make in America. Almost all hoses sold are US made. The light fixtures are imported but all the things to install them are made in USA. Most of the tool boxes are made here. If you buy carpeting it will be most likely and in America. The list goes on but there are things you wouldn’t guess that are almost totally US made.

          11. Retired says:

            You do not know who the investors in either place are .

          12. Retired says:

            And the same ones can be in both places.

        2. bobnstuff says:

          Didn’t Trump a few weeks ago give the Russians classified intel. Isn’t that what traitors do?

          1. Retired says:

            Name the classified information ??? The Traitor was Clinton and Obama who you seem to be in love with .

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Israel gave us information on lap top battery bombs. Trump just had to brag about our intel to the Russians.

          3. Retired says:

            My god that is so old and well known ,it has been written about in publications . So come up with something new will you . If it is written about it sure can’t be Classified now can it ????

          4. bobnstuff says:

            That was just two months ago. It was classified at the time and Trump had no problem spilling it to the Russians. Trump also has ties with and from China.

          5. Retired says:

            Funny I read about it way before so it could not have been classified to high , but then you know nothing about steps of classified . You need to come out of your closet more often and see what goes on as it passes by . So do the Clintons and now what ???

          6. Lkfeinb says:

            Well, your memory cannot be that good because it DID just come out about 2 months ago.

          7. Retired says:

            You don’t do much reading on the advancement of how they hide the stuff do you . Maybe you should go to your library and read publications that I buy . Most Libraries buy them .

          8. Lkfeinb says:

            Maybe you should tell the truth.

          9. Retired says:

            Don’t have anything to hide .

      5. Lkfeinb says:

        Welcome back!

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