Trump tweet-pressures Senate Republicans to go ‘nuclear’ on legislation, says eight Democrats ‘totally control’ Senate

July 30, 2017

Senate RepublicansPresident Trump once again pressed Senate Republicans to install a 51-vote threshold to pass legislation on Saturday, in a flurry of tweets that claim the current setup is controlled by the Democrats.

“Republicans in the Senate will NEVER win if they don’t go to a 51 vote majority NOW. They look like fools and are just wasting time,” Trump tweeted in the early hours of the morning. “8 Dems totally control the U.S. Senate. Many great Republican bills will never pass, like Kate’s Law and complete Healthcare. Get smart!”

For days now, the president has pressured the leadership to end the filibuster, which requires 60 votes to break. The president also said that budget reconciliation, which lets bills be approved in the Senate with only 51 votes instead of the 60 needed to stop a filibuster, is “killing” the Republicans in the Senate.

“200 Bills sit in Senate,” he tweeted. “A JOKE!”

125 Comments - what are your thoughts?

  • Richard Frick says:

    The congress members would lie wearing on a Bible. Every last one of the is on the take from lobbyists and and are being blackmailed by the unions that control our Country. We don’t even need an election because these unethical thieves are kept in power by the so called journalists and the crooked media that are telling the USA Citizens what they will do or else. Abolish Congress and hang all of them for treason.

  • Patriot41 says:

    Trump needs to run the presidency like Obama did, with executive orders.

  • American Me says:

    Take away their exclusive healthcare deal and put them on Obamacare,We just might see a change in priority to remove and replace Obamacare.They should be required to live with the same laws that other Americans have to.No special deals for congress.

  • dmttbt says:

    The fact is that it is nothing new to have the republicans or the democrats completely overlook the benefit of a piece of legislation for the people. They have never cared about anyone other than themselves and it doesn’t have to be repub or demo because they are equally a crime family.

  • Christopher Riddle says:

    The main problem is that they(The Rinos)use this”Senate Rule”to HIDE BEHIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • duncmck says:

    major crusade to seriously and without guile profile these rinos and pound the narrative to get these vampire maggots out of office. they are what sheeps in wolves clothing are ..just being in politics under these conditions is indicitive of a perverse need to organize and control..
    trump is the only individual i have seen since reagan that has a spine..he had it all ..why would he want this horrific responsibility unless he cares about his children’s future being a monotized transhuman robot serf aka.borg..whoops.!! i showed some guile..

  • mudguy1 says:

    We just had 7 Rino’s control the GOP. And out of the 20 Rino’s in the GOP only 3 are need to stop the things that were promised.So what good is going nuclear?
    What the GOP needs is unity.
    “When we lie to the government it is a felony, when politicians lie to us it is called politics”

  • David says:

    President Trump needs to “Reverse” the Executive Order that Obama used to “Exempt” the President and Members of Congress from the Mandates of Obamacare … let “All” Members of Congress “learn first hand” what is Wrong with Obamacare … and see how long it takes for them to “Repeal and Replace Obamacare” then.

    1. goldie says:

      If what you’re saying is true and obama did write an executive order to that effect, I can hardly believe President Trump didn’t already do away with it. I thought it was written into the legislation. But you are right, it is a great “Trump” card, if, indeed, it is an executive order.

      1. Pete says:

        There were some failed legal challenges to Exec order exemptions granted by Obama earlier so exec order changes are legal in federal court.
        The President can with exec order exemptions, bring down the final curtain on Obamacare. I doubt he will do it yet, but he obviously can and will if doing so winds up being the last resort.

  • Ken says says:

    The problem is the 20 RINOs in the Senate will get their voting orders from the Liberal Elite (George Soros, CEO) and they can stop any bill that is not in the interest of NWO. Voters keep re electing RINOs that lie to get the vote and go to Washington and flip off the people that voted for them. WAKE UP!! The lying SOS RINOs are Professional Pocket Stuffing Politicians. Drain the Swamp and restore the Government for the People of the USA>|.

    1. maxx says:

      Actually the 20 or so RINOs don’t need orders from Soros. They get them from the GOP Establishment like Ryan, McConnell, etc. Rinos keep getting reelected because the democrat communist party sends out the word for democrats to cross-over vote for the Rino. The democommies love the Rinos more than full blood democrats because it gives them “moles” in all republican meetings & conferences which they don’t get with a ordinary democrat seat. There is a reason why we don’t hear of DINOs in the democommie party. Cross-over voting is easy to spot when the RINO is way behind in an election or primary if there is one a few weeks before the election but then miraculously wins by double digits. McCain, Paul Ryan and Thad Cochran of Mississippi last elections were all like that. Mississippi even had news stories reporting about democrats being paid $$$ to vote for the RINO.

      1. Ken says says:

        Right on! All the Professional Politicians you mentioned are Puppets of the same Liberal Elite Masters.

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          1. Ken says says:

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      2. Retired says:

        You wanted Boehner gone and now you want Ryan gone and will do so again if Ryan gets replaced .Politics has turned into raising money and the hell with people back home ..

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  • Richard Bagenstose says:

    so make the 320 million suffer for the good of the 20 million, get a life

    1. bobnstuff says:

      Just how are those 320 suffering? Will their lives be shortened? Will they die? I guess life has no real value as long as the wealthy get a tax break. The funny thing is the healthcare bill the Senate voted on wouldn’t cut your taxes unless you were very rich, it wouldn’t cut the cost of healthcare or fix anything. It was so bad the Senate made the House promise not to pass it if they did.

      1. Webb says:

        Cut the Payments to Insurance Companies…Saving Billions!
        That should be Trump’s next move with the rules in the ACA…it will assure the imploding of Obamacare…
        Or we may end up with more Charlie Gards in America…

        1. bobnstuff says:

          Cut the payments to EXON MOBIL and save more. Just so you know Trump can’t stop those payments, not one of his powers. The constitution clearly states that the government must pay it’s bills and that it’s the congress that handles the money. Oh and just so you know it’s not the whole ACA that has a problem, just the market place. Everything else is going along just fine.

          1. Webb says:

            Check the rules in Obamacare…

          2. bobnstuff says:

            Under the constitution when the government owes money it must be paid. The law give the insurance companies right to collect money for insuring people. Unless the congress changes the law the bill must be paid. Trump can not hold payment back,
            Section 4 of the 14th Amendment: “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law … shall not be questioned.”

          3. Webb says:

            The rules in Obamacare make it possible to stop payments to Insurance Companies…
            Tney are not national debt…understanding debts must be paid, owing by government!

          4. theseer says:

            the government owed soc sec over 34 trillion…they have never begun to pay back…they leave paper ious you typical doo gooder brainless liberal.

          5. bobnstuff says:

            When SS was set up they never intended to leave the money there. It was never meant to be paid back. Did you know when the calculate the national debt the SS IOU’s are part of it. Money owed to themselves.

          6. Pete says:

            In the mid 1970’s Jimmy Carters administration enacted laws that placed the formerly separate Social Security Administration under a branch of the federal government.
            At that point the congress gained unfettered access to the social security funds & they, like a bunch of drunk sailors on Hong Kong shore leave, went on a spending spree. They had been robbing the till some before, but this was real feeding frenzy.

          7. bobnstuff says:

            He are the facts of the matter. We have been investing the SS money in government bonds like a bank would.

            “Right now, Social Security has plenty of assets. For
            much of its history, Social Security was a strictly pay-as-you-go
            system, with current tax receipts funding current benefits. That changed
            in 1983, when Congress (as part of a comprehensive overhaul of the
            program) raised the payroll taxes that provide the bulk of Social
            Security’s revenue, to build up a cushion for the coming onslaught of
            Baby Boomer retirees. For nearly three decades, the system took in far
            more revenue than it paid out in benefits; the surplus was invested in
            special non-tradeable Treasury bonds, with interest credited to the
            system’s two trust funds (one for old-age and survivors’ benefits, the
            other for disability payments). As of July 31,
            those trust funds together held $2.83 trillion in Treasuries. (Some
            people characterize that as the government “borrowing from” or “raiding”
            Social Security, but the system is in essentially the same position as
            any other investor who buys Treasuries.)”

          8. Pete says:

            Most subsidies were granted ( The ACA actually directed the Secretary of HHS to make the subsidy determination) by the executive branch. The latitude the ACA gave the former administration was wide enough that most subsidies & many of the exemptions were granted by exec order of ruling by HHS Secretary. All of those can be undone as simply as they were done. .

          9. bobnstuff says:

            Thank you for clearing that up. I didn’t know that part of the bill.

      2. Richard Bagenstose says:

        well how can you fix anything if you refuse to even get started and that’s all the bill was , to get it started , just like all this crying about immigration , have you herd any one in congress come forward with new reforms no, but they keep crying about it, and as for the 20 million losing coverage, the cbo said , that 90% of those people are the ones who refuse to buy it , it’s their own choice, i live on a fixed income because i’m retired , and if i pay what they want me to pay i will lose my home and every thing i own , tax collectors don’t want to hear the excuse i don’t have the money because i have to buy insurance , witch i don’t have to buy anyways because i am in poverty level, but because i own every thing i have i don’t get no brakes

        1. bobnstuff says:

          I’m also retired and know your story is bogus. Either you have medicare or you qualify low or no cost insurance under the ACA. If you took early retirement it’s on you. One thing I had to make sure of before I retired was my health insurance. Also those losing insurance are not the ones forced into buying it but those on the medicaid expansion and those who’s companies were made to give the health insurance. In your case if you are in the 60 to 65 age range once the republicans are done you will for sure not be able to afford insurance. It will be 5 times higher the a 30 year old’s.

          1. Richard Bagenstose says:

            well jack it’s not bogous, 1999 was forced to retire because co. moved out of country , insurance cost me 300 dollars a month went for blood test and i got stuck with the bill all 1200 dollars of it , so that is when i stopped buying insurance, well i have bin totaly retired for the last 2 years , because i refuse to work for these slave driving corp. that threat you like shit , i finally said i had enough of their b/s, i’m not on medicare yet , next year,unless i want to give up every thing i own to pay for insurance , i’ll live with out it i have for the last 17 years, and i ain’t paying 1/3 of my pension for it, if you own anything these days it cutes you off from any government help ,that’s why i eat hot dogs while people on welfare are eating steak

          2. bobnstuff says:

            I went through pretty much the same thing with the company I worked for and ended up working a job just for the company insurance. My wife has medical problems and we had to have insurance and couldn’t get it ourselves. When the ACA came in I went to the market place and found I could buy it for less their then my employer charged. In the end I went part time and had more money then then staying full time. I was paying 23% of my income for healthcare before the ACA. It took a lot of research to figure everything out but in the end I got what I needed at a price I could afford. Oh and in Pa. you don’t get enough money on welfare to buy many steaks. SNAP here for a family of four is around $500 per month average and at $25 per person per week steak is out of the question. The max you can get is $150 per person per month.

          3. Richard Bagenstose says:

            can’t prove that to me when i see people at wal-mart with 2 heeping shopping carts full ,designer jeans and a new car, checking out with their debit cards ,as for the insurance thing my sister has obomacare and they gave her to big of a subsidy and she wound up paying back 2,000 dollars

          4. bobnstuff says:

            I bought my grandson a hundred dollar pair of shoes with that card for school. It was child support and his money.

          5. Richard Bagenstose says:

            i paid child support to , while the custidy battle was going on , and after i won and got custidy . the state gave all my money the my ex drug addict wife and the kids never seen a penny of it , and when i asked where the money was they said sue us , you never win sueing the state

          6. bobnstuff says:

            I paid child support for nine years and I would send in the money and it would take the state six weeks to get it back out to my ex. She blamed me for not sending it in and complained to my family. It took my niece who worked for me at the time to set her straight since she had watched me write the check and had mailed it herself. We ended up pulling it out of the states hands and my just handing her the money. My grandsons dad hasn’t paid any child support for six years. I really can’t complain about the state in this case though. They came down on our side big time in the custody hearing and made it clear to all parties that we were the ones in charge of my grandson. He’s special needs.

      3. maxx says:

        You suffer from the typical liberal mental delusion. Rich people are not the enemy. They create the businesses and jobs that allow people like you to work at to support yourself. Big government has never been the solution in a free society and never will be. When the government takes over all incentive to be responsible for yourself goes out the window and you have places like Greece, Spain, Portugal etc.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          Small business create the most new jobs in the US, not the rich. For most of my life I have worded for small business, many I owned myself. I agree that big government isn’t the solution, we need smart government. Just why do you believe one would work harder if they have to pay for healthcare? Look at the countries with the highest standards of living and tell me that universal healthcare has made them lazy. Are the Germans lazy? How about the Swedes? A safety net doesn’t make you not try, it means you don’t need to fear trying.

          1. con_c_kwense says:

            …the Swedish and German systems…are so successful that their countries are being overrun by barbarians…

          2. bobnstuff says:

            They are both still safer places then the US with healthier, better educated people then the Americans.

          3. Pete says:

            The Third leg of the ACA design is the mandate for the healthy youth to buy insurance of face a tax
            for not doing so. When that support is no longer there the ACA goes belly up. That requirement also has some individuals exempt by exec order & legal challenge in court upheld the right of the president to make those exemptions. If the Senate doesn’t come up with a workable solution, and soon, President Trump will have no recourse other than exempting those same healthy people that are now paying for insurance most of them do not want.
            That may wind up being the only way to solve the problem, but it sure isn’t the best way.

    2. Webb says:

      There is always More for the Few than for the Many…
      Why? Personal Responsibility is a thing of the past…

      1. bobnstuff says:

        I spent the week in the hospital, My bill should be in the $150,000 range. I have insurance but only because of medicare, you know that government program. I ask again, what does helping others cost you? Will you die? As a nation we spend more on healthcare then any other country and are number 23 as far a quality of healthcare. Fix the problem.

        1. chw2000 says:

          “As a nation we spend more on healthcare then any other country and are number 23 as far a quality of healthcare”. You’re right BSBOB. But the reason is MEDICARE! Healthcare cost in the US where reasonable prior to Johnson signing medicare into law. Do your homework BSB?ob!

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Maybe it’s time for you to do some homework! The reason the price of healthcare was lower was because we had people dying. I would not be alive to today had this been 1965. My heart attack would have killed me. Why is it that other countries can give better healthcare at a lower cost then the US can?

          2. maxx says:

            Which ones? Canadians, of which I have family, come to the US for care they would wait months for in Canada.
            I guess they feel it’s better to pay to get treated than waiting for the beaucracy to get around to treating you or you die. Many Brits come here on vacation in order to get treatments. And it’s not ObamaCare that is taking care of them.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            Have you ever tried to get an appointment for a doctor here? My wife just went to one that we had to wait for since January.

          4. con_c_kwense says:

            …sorry, don’t believe you…!!

          5. bobnstuff says:

            Try making an appointment with a specialist in a non emergency case and see how long you have to wait.

          6. Pete says:

            Sounds like she was a victim of an HMO that was coming apart.

          7. bobnstuff says:

            No just needed a sleep study. Most non emergency appointments have taken months or more to get. My office likes you to make your next appointment while leaving your last one. This isn’t just my present practice, the last one I had before my insurance company was changed by my employer did the same. They like to maximize their time. If you are luck and need something they can squeeze you in if they have a cancellation.

          8. chw2000 says:

            Takes me at least 3 days. Your “sleep study” is not exactly a necessary study that must take place for her to live. YOu’re an idiot! Giver her some sleeping pills or just stop pestering her when she’s trying to sleep. You’re an a$$ hole.

          9. theseer says:

            maxx…well stated and true…thanks

          10. con_c_kwense says:

            …have you ever been to another country and witnessed there health care…I have…and I can tell you that before ohbummer and the ‘crats made their power play to rule the middle class, in other words took over the health industry in this country, we had the greatest health care system…BAR NONE…in the entire world…

          11. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry but you have no facts to back up your claims. We have some great doctors but our system was bad for long enough that every president since LBJ has tried to fix it.

          12. chw2000 says:

            Ask Charlie Grand’s parents how that government health care works. And for “homework” I lived it a$$ hole. I was born 20 years before medicare and medical bills where affordable. I spent lots of time at the Dr.’s office and my parents where able to pay the bill. When you get the government involved, the costs rise. Even a dumb a$$ liberal like you should be able to understand that. You’re an a$$ hole BSBob.
            A complete a$$ hole.

          13. bobnstuff says:

            I guess you have been clueless for a long time. It is amazing that you have lived so long and learned so little. Do you work at being stupid? I guess you didn’t notice that every president since LBJ has tried to fix our healthcare system. Why would that be if it was a perfect as you claim. Also your math is amazing. You were twenty when medicare was past but you can remember your parents being able to pay their doctor bills. I guess the fact that they weren’t on medicare makes no difference to your story or the fact that healthcare back then was totally different then today. Also there is an pretty good chance the had health insurance or did they pay their bill with chickens?

          14. chw2000 says:

            You are a total jack off bob. I was born in November of ’44. Just because you lack a memory doesn’t mean that i do. Go phuk yourself bob. You probably weren’t even born in ’65. What a jack of a$$ hole you are. You’re a phuking idiot and an a$$ hole

          15. bobnstuff says:

            I see you are still as stupid as ever or has your mind gone. I bet on the second. I remember 65 very well but you do seem to have a problem in that area. So sad.

          16. chw2000 says:

            Phuk you BSBob. I have no problem with memory and you have no argument. Go pound sand up your a$$! I just looked at this thread and don’t see anyone that agrees with you. That makes you the a$$ hole without a memory.

          17. bobnstuff says:

            Do you have fun calling names? You do know it makes you look truly stupid don’t you and does nothing to advance your point. You have two up votes in this thread, I have 14.

          18. chw2000 says:

            And no one agrees with any of your dumb a$$ comments. All you do is argue with no substance, only opinion and liberal nonsense. You really are a jack off Bob. Go phuk yourself!

          19. bobnstuff says:

            You are such a waste of O2.

          20. chw2000 says:

            Just put your head back in your a$$ you worthless piece of shitte!

          21. bobnstuff says:

            So, are you of value to ANYONE? What do you add to the world except human waste and CO2. All I see you do is make stupid nasty remarks. I know my value and that’s why your stupid childishness does little to me. Sorry but you are truly just a waste.

          22. chw2000 says:

            Dear bullshitte bob, your value is 0. Totally 0. I’ve served my country, something you never did because you had a boo boo. I’ve provided for my family, my children and my grand children. You’re the waste Bob. A complete waste.

          23. bobnstuff says:

            I’m not sure reproducing in your case is a great thing. You are lowering the IQ of the country by doing so. Just because I didn’t become cannon fodder in a war you lost for us doesn’t mean I didn’t serve my country. Maybe because I didn’t serve I gave those that did special treatment in hiring.

          24. chw2000 says:

            NO a$$ hole you didn’t serve this country and you don’t now. As for my IQ, being a design engineer i suspect it’s a lot higher than yours. And if you want to pursue this on a personal face to face basis, I would be more than happy to make that happen. You’e a 0 BSBob, now go rub that knee that you used to get out of service. Phuk you BSBOB .

        2. Webb says:

          I wish you well…
          I have no problem with medicare or the cost…but I do and have always had a problem with The Mandate in Obamacare…
          It’s government overreach into our lives which government does not belong.
          Cost of Healthcare has never been addressed…Doctors, Hospitals and Drugs, they can charge at will prices!
          That’s our problem…☆★☆

          1. bobnstuff says:

            Ok, get rid of the mandate but make medical bills just like student loans, not able to be written of in bankruptcy and give health providers the right not to treat people who can’t pay. That will bring the cost down. If you want people to be responsible make them truly responsible. The cost of healthcare will never be under control unless the government steps in like the have in every other country.

          2. maxx says:

            And even today hospital emergency rooms are still being abused by people with ObamaCare because they don’t even want to pay the co-pay amount and hospitals cannot refuse service. This is an entitlement attitude problem thing not a cost thing.

          3. bobnstuff says:

            In every other nation healthcare is a right, and human life is valued. It’s only Americans that believe that only people who can pay deserve healthcare.

          4. Gene Hartwell says:

            Human life is VALUED , are you stupid, they are in some countries less valued than cattle, woman are traded, children are killed, NO problem with health care there. Give every one a break and more sacramental than you are trying to be. Our country value THE people, but some in our great country do NOT share that value. If we followed the Constitution and bill of rights as no other country have one likes ours, we are responsible to earn what we ask for , not demand GOV’T give it to us. Yes we do have welfare and it is being abused by to many gimmie people and that is one problem that ned to be solved. There are a dozen other issues that YOU need to read up and find the solution Einstein!!!!!!

          5. bobnstuff says:

            We value the almighty dollar over life. The worst part is we don’t even get our moneys worth in doing so. As far as the constitution, ours isn’t all that different then many other countries so don’t climb on a high horse. Also where in the constitution does it say we are responsible to earn our own way? Is not “provide for the common welfare” part of our constitution? Our constitution was created to provide government services in case you missed history class. It was because of the need for the federal government to give services that we went from the articles of confederation to the constitution we now have.

            You are complaining about welfare abuse but did you know that the same people who complained in government cut back on the employees that are there to stop it. We have cut back on the number of caseworkers to the point that they can’t even check the facts. As far as that goes though I would rather have ten people who shouldn’t have it get it then one child that needs it go hungry.

            You seem to thing the poor are the only gimmie people but look around. We spend twice as much on corporate welfare as we do on people.

            As far as coming up with a solution, here is a letter I sent to my congressmen.

            Healthcare is very much on my mind as it should be on yours. We need to repeal and replace the ACA or fix it but the bill pasted by the House has done neither. Here are my thoughts on what a new healthcare bill should be. You need to sit down with the members of the other party and see if you can work it out with them to pass a true reform bill.

            Clamp down on the insurance, give them rules that protect the consumer with a Insurance Bill of Right.
            Protect the consumers from being denied insurance at a far price for preexisting conditions and from being dropped for using the insurance. Block all government dealings, subsidies and contracts
            with companies that don’t offer plans under the new law.

            Expanded Medicaid to all working poor and anyone making less then 120% of the poverty line. Also give
            Medicaid to all Vets and have regular healthcare provided by the healthcare system and have the VA specialize in issues unique to Vets.

            Stop the price gouging on prescription drugs and place controls on the Drug companies. Just by having the government pay the same price that other countries pay would finance much of this bill.

            All other subsides should be handled by the states with financial help from the federal government.

            Insurance companies should be aloud to sell the same insurance in all fifty states and one national set of rule would be applied. Also give a stop loss on insurance liabilities for any one illness.

            Make people responsible for their medical bills and if they choose not to buy insurance they must pay
            their own bills, no release of the debt by bankruptcy and providers can demand payment up front for services. Stop the uninsured from walking away from their bill. Don’t reward people for being
            irresponsible. Make insurance affordable to anyone who wants it and people will do the right thing.

            I hope you will think about what I have written and work with all the Congress on solving this major problem.

            Sincerely your,

            I sent this letter a while ago.

          6. Bradley Hill says:

            NO Bob…YOU value other people’s buck faster than you will give your buck.

            You’re not fooling anyone you poor elite one.

          7. bobnstuff says:

            If you ever send the government as much money as I have then you can talk but I figure I’m well over the million dollar mark at this point.

          8. Bradley Hill says:

            Well, I guess you have supported a lot of dead beats with all the money the government takes from you and you still support Obamacare??? I just don’t get people like you.
            I recon it to blacks who keep on voting, year after year after year for people like Maxine Watters, who rape her own kind and continue to tell them she supports them.

            Obamacare is imploding and you’ll see soon enough when it crashes.
            I have the best insurance in the country along with all members of the emergency management group-Law Enforcement- Fire – State Troopers – EMT – local PD.
            $135.00 per month $ 10.00 Copay for both me and wife. Obamacare will never get my dollars.

          9. bobnstuff says:

            Do you understand where the tax money for the ACA came from? I may have paid a lot of taxes but I’m no where close to the tax bracket that the ACA taped for the funding. Remember they passed taxes to fund.

            So you like government funded insurance? You do know that it’s funded with money other then your $135 per month, right. As far as Obamacare getting your money, it gets no ones money, it’s all run through private insurance companies. All the ACA does is set you up with a company that you pick the coverage from and in some cases but not all help pay the bill. The ACA is private insurance, even medicaid is run through private companies and they are turning record profits. The insurance industry along with the AMA and most healthcare organizations support the ACA and are against it’s repeal.

          10. Pete says:

            You asked your congressman for the Affordable Care Act without any exceptions to it. No red blooded senator or representative would think of giving up his cushy medical benefits for the ACA. Additionally that same senator/representative would also exempt powerful blocks of voters from the new law simply to insure that voting block liked him on election day. After 435 elected senators & representatives finished giving exemptions there would be less people in the system than people exempt from it. The ACA is nearly that way now & it didn’t have even half of the 435 in the congress exempting their special bunch.
            In effect you would wind up with a rehashed version of the same Affordable Care Act only under a different name

          11. bobnstuff says:

            You do know that congress has to go to the market place to get government paid for insurance. Ted Cruz lost his supper health insurance that his wife got as an employee of Goldman Sachs and had to got to the exchange.

          12. Bradley Hill says:

            Healthcare ISN’T a right. Never has been a right. Obamacare proves WHY healthcare should not be a right because it’s bankrupting this country. You want to live like other countries DO?

            MOVE!!!.. and take all those moochers who think like you, with you.

            No person who ever needed healthcare has never been denied.
            Just go to ER and by law they must treat you.

            Stop using that BS reason to make your case for FREE Healthcare you parasite.

          13. bobnstuff says:

            It’s a right in every other developed nation. I guess punishing people for being poor or for that matter middle classed is your idea of the fun thing to do.

            By law the ER must stabilize you befor4e sending you home. Emergence care and healthcare are not the same thing and not cost effective.

            Did you know that the republican bill doesn’t take healthcare from the very poor, only the working poor and lower middle class, you know the ones that are out there working hard to get by.

          14. con_c_kwense says:

            …go to England…witness the so-called National Health Service in action…visit some so-called hospitals there…then tell me they value human life…when government owns the health of every citizen, they have the power of life and death over everyone…as every dictator and tyrant knows only too well…and if your treatment is not cost-effective, you get a pill and are told to go home and die…

          15. bobnstuff says:

            Just like here. Only it’s the insurance companies that get to say if you live our die.

          16. Retired says:

            I doubt that the people in the middle East -most of Africa -India and far east have health care , you are talking out of your poop chute now.

          17. bobnstuff says:

            I believed I said developed nation, not third world although a number have greater life expectancy then we have and lower infant mortality rates.

          18. Pete says:

            You have Medicare, a system that you paid for during your working life just like millions of others have and some still are paying. Medicare is not a handout, it is, when you reach a predefined age, a paid up medical plan that covers a portion of your bills.
            No one here is opposed to people collecting on their investment in Medicare, it is a contract between the government and the individual who pays into the system.
            Few here would begrudge the truly poor or those who can not work ready access to medicaid or any other form of needed assistance
            Where we draw the line is those among us who can work, but for whatever reason, refuse to do so. Those same folks who refuse to contribute still expect to reap the same benefits as the ones who work for what they get.
            You may ask how I know people do this, The simple answer is that I was one of them! until I realized that I was taking the handouts, not from the government, but from the very people who were, thru their labor, supporting that government. I got the goodies from government agencies who taxed the working people to pay for my freebees.
            In actual fact I was a leach on the ass of prosperity simply because I could work to support myself but instead took the free stuff someone else paid for.

          19. bobnstuff says:

            The people that are going to take the worst hit are the working poor and lower middle class. There is a myth about the welfare bum that isn’t in fact true. We don’t give much to able bodied who choose not to work and haven’t since the 90’s. Do you remember the welfare reform act under Clinton. Workfare.

          20. Retired says:

            Funny thing that never happened in major Democrat controlled cities .

          21. bobnstuff says:

            It sure did, you just never go to them to see it. You seem to like to blame thing happening in big cities on democrats but the republicans do nothing different and cities don’t run assistants programs under any case.

          22. Pete says:

            The end around that reform came not long after it was enacted. Shortly after enactment the “work” requirement was ignored & in places dropped completely. New welfare forms cropped up in different places. What was concentrated in HHS/DHS moved into other agencies. Food assistance from Agriculture dept. DOD subsidies to low income GI & civil service families are but two examples of what was highly visible under HHS/DHS moving into the shadows.

          23. bobnstuff says:

            Sorry but you are wrong there, a few states asked for wavers just two years ago. The work rule is still in place. The thing you need to remember is even though they use Federal dollars the programs are run by the states.

          24. Pete says:

            You seem to be telling me, a former welfare bum, that I do not know how to spot a welfare bum when I see one.
            Hog wash, I can spot them in stores everywhere I go. A dead give away is they drive fairly nice vehicles and their shopping cart usually has name brand instead of cheaper store brand.

          25. bobnstuff says:

            Here is the problem, you can’t tell why they have a Access card. In Pa child support comes on the same card as is used for food stamps. I have one that I got with my grandson when we got custody. You would have called me a cheat under your thinking. He is disabled and gets SSI so we have another card they put that on. There are also people who for no fault of their own are out of work and we give them help till they get back on their feet. They don’t sell the car they work for just so you won’t think they are cheating. One of the larger groups that get food stamps are the families of our military. Do you believe that they can’t have nice cars just because the joined up and have a family? Also that nice car my not even be theirs. My daughter use to drive a H3 around town all the time, it was her bosses but he let her use it. You see not everything you believe is true when it comes to Access cards.

          26. Retired says:

            Yes put All government elected into the program starting with congress and their staff, no shortage of people that way and you will see some quick action to change the mess .

          27. bobnstuff says:

            They did. It didn’t help.

          28. theseer says:

            Xrays cost $4000 and $9000.
            both unfair not affordable.

            justice roberts was against the unaffordable care act…
            then someone threatened him and he did a 180…
            he changed one word ‘fine’ to ‘tax’ which made the mandate legal…that sob…..such corruption

          29. Retired says:

            Where do xrays cost that much ????

          30. bobnstuff says:

            Hush, it’s a made up number for the sake of drama.

          31. theseer says:

            brain scan $9000
            abdomen and chest $4000

          32. TAM44 says:

            The 545 gets the very best health care and don’t give a rats behind about what it cost us for whatever we can get. I lost my insurance and my doctor when that obamacare crap came out. I had to paid more for my insurance and find a new doctor. That lying corrupt treasonous traitor told everyone on live TV if you like your insurance you can keep it, lie. If you like your doctor you can keep them another lie. Every word he spoke was a lie and for eight years nothing but lies came out of his lying mouth.

          33. Retired says:

            And he still is doing it these days traveling the world to support ISIS .

          34. Retired says:

            Bob >>> They do not want to hear those facts , insurance premiums started sky rocketing back in the 70s and have never stopped .

          35. bobnstuff says:

            Tell me about it. Do you remember the HMO’s that were going to fix everything.

          36. Retired says:

            Yup and they are no better than the ACA ,you do not know from year to year what DR. or meds are covered . Just like the Medicare advantage or supplement to Medicare .After the ACA things got worse for every one , because it opened the door for insurance Comp. to screw the public even more .

          37. bobnstuff says:

            I got this phone book size set of rule when I signed up. I’m an educated person and I can’t figure most of it out. Every time I have a question I end up calling the company. We need to get the insurance companies out of the business of ripping people off.

        3. Retired says:

          You had 8 years of democrat control and did nothing but rip off the taxpayer with the ACA . You had 8 years with Bill Clinton and what did he do for health care other than le rates rise ???? Answer that without side tracing .

          1. bobnstuff says:

            You need to go back even into the sixties. Look at the fix Reagan tried.

          2. Retired says:

            Insurance in the 60s was peanuts compared to the 70s .

          3. bobnstuff says:

            If I remember right you have worked in accounting in hospitals. How much money is wasted in chasing down payments form insurance companies.

          4. Retired says:

            Insurance has always spent more money trying to get out of paying than what they collect . At least under Medicare there is a standard as to what they will pay based on where you live .But Dr. and Hospitals still try to charge many times more than what they actually receive ..

          5. bobnstuff says:

            How much money would we save if you got rid of all the games in paying the bills. what if the caregiver could just send one bill to the same location with the same rules and know that they will always get paid. Do you think there would be a large savings there? I know in my local doctors office they could get rid of about half their staff.

          6. bobnstuff says:

            In the 60’s they didn’t do much of what is SOP today. Had I had my heart attack back then I wouldn’t be here today. It only took them 18 minutes on the table to save my life. Remember there were no MRI’s or things like that. Medicine has come a long way since then and so have the costs. I still think we are getting ripped off but at least I’m alive to say it.

      2. maxx says:

        And “wealth redistribution” has been a communist / democrat agenda policy item for over 5 decades starting big time with the War on Poverty. You must be familiar with the racist comment LBJ made when he signed that piece of legislation.

        1. bobnstuff says:

          So it’s bad for the poor to take money from the rich but good for the rich to take money from the poor. You must be very happy with how things are going since the rich just keep getting richer and everyone else is paying for it.

          1. Pete says:

            I can see your comment about the poor getting money from the rich is accurate, but please explain how the rich can take money that the poor person does not have? If the poor man had money that the rich person could take, he actually would not be poor.

          2. Retired says:

            Bobnbull has a lot of BS stories .

          3. bobnstuff says:

            It’s simple, pay as little as you can, suck as much money out of the government as you can, pay as little in taxes as possible and ship jobs to other companies to save a buck. It’s easy to take money from poor, they have no power.

          4. Retired says:

            Bobnbull strikes again , there is something wrong when welfare pays more than working .The ones in between are carrying the load and don’t forget there are a awful lot of rich Democrats taking advantage of the tax pay .Namely Gov. Employee union workers . Obama gave them more in raise than people on SS ,he also put more into Medicaid .The ACA was a taxpayer rip off for many that were forced out of their policy and into ACA . If ACA is so great why aren’t Congress and Gov. employees in it ????

          5. bobnstuff says:

            If we had raise minimum wage at the rate of inflation over the past twenty odd years it wouldn’t be the case. Wages have not kept up with inflation and now we have a problem. If you work 40 hours a week you should be able to support yourself but right now you can’t. As far as vthe increase in money if you look over the last 8 years you will see everyone got about the same. It was just that the government employees got theirs all at once.

  • bobnstuff says:

    So the President believes that 48% of the Senate should have no say in things. Whatever happened the the idea that he was president of all the people? The Senate doesn’t want the rules changed, they know that one day they will not be in power and understand what changing the rules mean. Trump can’t even run the White House but he is trying to tell the Senate how to do things? Maybe if the president and the republicans would at least try to work with the democrats they could get things done. Trying to destroy Obama’s legacy is not helping the country and the republicans will just keep losing. Here’s a idea, why not try to improve the lives of the American people, look for ways to improve healthcare. People die without healthcare, how many people die because of higher taxes? Right now all the president wants is to say he won, he doesn’t care if the bill hurts 20 plus million people. Governing is not a game to win or lose, people lives are on the line here.

    1. chw2000 says:

      Trump is again correct! The Senate rules allow your 48% to have a say but also control all legislation. You’re really a total idiot BSBob. To bad you where in the hospital for a week but didn’t miss you a bit. Hope you’re back there soon! A$$ hole!

      1. bobnstuff says:

        Now I know you are a total ass. Go to hell.

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